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Meta Andrew T.

3:47 AM

Storm of sleepiness...

rene

5:57 AM

→ 29 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

6:14 AM

@Rob lol... Well ended up eating the chilli chocolate, was bit weird but OK. ;)

@JonEricson thanks

Meta Andrew T.

6:32 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Now I'm curious about chilli chocolate...

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

6:46 AM

@Jnat cross site spammer. Proof of spam. Thanks! :)

rene

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard hmm, they had an NAA on SO that didn't look like spam ... flagged it so it will be gone shortly ...

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. so buy some and try.... ;)

@rene meh, probably trying to appear "legit", some spammers do it.

rene

sure

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

But that MSE pure spam is 100% proof of their real intentions.

rene

true

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

6:48 AM

right

rene

left

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

top

Tinkeringbell

7:07 AM

bottom

strange

normal

charmed

disenchanted

(there's normal and disenchanted quarks?)

Tinkeringbell

7:13 AM

There are now.

user271002

Hang on, I just remembered another thing I'm right about. See...

Meta Andrew T.

Antimaster.

Rob

@Sha Chug, chug, chug !

Journeyman Geek

@Rob that's maple syrup

Super Troopers (1/5) Movie CLIP - Chugging Syrup (2001) HD

►

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

7:57 AM

@Rob hmm?

Martin

I have read in a feature request about Android app: "In the Android app, can we have some option to mark a read notification to unread? I know that this option is not available in the web version of Stack Exchange sites."

I did not know that this is possible on the full site (desktop version) - is that really true? Where can I find that option?

Mithrandir

It doesn't exist.

It says in that quote that you just posted "...that this option is not available in the web version..."

rene

that ^

Martin

Lol. I am really blind.

Or maybe when I read something, I see simply what I would like to see.

Thanks!

rene

8:14 AM

you're welcome.

John Dvorak

Wait, the Android app still works?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@JohnDvorak define "works"

It's like a person in comma.

Martin

@JohnDvorak This particular post was bumped today by a new answer - most likely spam.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

It lives, but with zero functionality.

Martin

That was basically the reason that I have noticed the post.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

8:17 AM

@Martin spam indeed. I asked a CM to nuke the spammer network accounts already.

John Dvorak

What font size is the comma? It's hard to fit a human into one of those usual ones.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

lol

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Prolly the same font size as the giant S

rene

Will the comma be banned, just like the giant S?

Tinkeringbell

The giant S isn't banned... just deprecated.

John Dvorak

8:24 AM

It's unwelcoming to put a human into a comma

(or into coma, for that matter)

Tinkeringbell

It's sadly sitting in a corner, crying because no-one thinks he's funny anymore!

@JohnDvorak I disagree. In some cases, it's very welcome.

John Dvorak

I still love the giant S

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak I'll make sure to let S know ;)

Maybe that'll cheer it up a bit.

Martin

This is not really important, but I do not know the context. What is this "giant S"? (Just out of curiosity.)

Tinkeringbell

@Martin A deprecated meta meme: meta.stackexchange.com/a/63791/369802

John Dvorak

8:28 AM

See what you've done, crusade of love? Now there are people out there who don't even know what the giant S is!

Journeyman Geek

*summer

@JohnDvorak that's vaguely the point of depreciating it.... ;p

John Dvorak

Do you mean "deprecating", or "depreciating"?

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak Yes

Martin

Oh, I've seen some comment alongside those lines in connection with pluralization. Since it was mentioned here with font sizes, I thought about fonts and characters.

John Dvorak

@JourneymanGeek that comma before "or" means you have to pick one

Journeyman Geek

8:30 AM

YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

John Dvorak

Hey, shouting isn't nice ;-)

Journeyman Geek

I'll have a word with myself.

John Dvorak

Thanks :)

JNat

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard gone

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog gone

Meta Andrew T.

9:04 AM

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,,,person,,,
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Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@JNat thanks!

Meta Andrew T.

eh, comma? a singular comma?! without the giant S!?!

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

:P

Meta Andrew T.

status-in-comma

2

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

hehe

Rob

9:13 AM

@JourneymanGeek I think that saying came from "Animal House" (but I've no time at the moment to find the exact clip, definitely not those guys). If you want the video of my Friday nights (of days gone by) then take the audio from this video: youtu.be/5sHr-STomzo and the visual of this video: youtu.be/v_kni8_0JmY and that's pretty close to my drinking buddies.

Rob

9:32 AM

@Martin It raises its head from time to time, but some people don't give an S; in accordance with the CoC.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

9:59 AM

Giant S forbidden by CoC. So weird for those who have no idea about SE at all. :P

Marshmallow

10:19 AM

Ads (=spam) make a bad impression on visitors, and they do nothing to resolve low quality posts. In my opinion, it's time that users bought an annual subscription that provides access to the entire network. New users pay a smaller fee to have access to SE for four months. If they're happy with the experience, they'll renew and buy a year's subscription. This will ensure quality questions, or at the very least new contributors will have read the help center before paying the fee. Users with 20K should be exempt, the site is free for them, as they have proven to provide valuable content. — Mari-Lou A 7 hours ago

This'd be a nice way to kick me out. And every other Iranian on these sites.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Yeah, this won't happen. But I totally can envision SE starting to sell "Premium Account" in some variant.

Anyone will be able to use anything like before, but if they're impatient to get privileges and got the money, they'll be able to simply buy those privileges.

Journeyman Geek

That's a terrible idea

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Guess it will happen in 6-8 years, when they'll really run out of money.

(the new ads are a bad joke, I don't believe they'll give SE any real money, just drive those without adblock away.)

Journeyman Geek

One of the big big draws of SE is it's a proper meritocracy in most respects

Marshmallow

@JourneymanGeek show off

Journeyman Geek

10:25 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard and the best way to deal with that is to document and report all the terribad ads

@Marshmallow I started with 1 rep, just like everyone else

Marshmallow

I'm just playing around

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

~~playing~~ fooling

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard which probably will end up with paid users demanding answers, shared accounts....

Marshmallow

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329799/… <- ad

I flagged it before Smokey. Probably. What's my prize

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard ~~fooling~~ monkeying

Journeyman Geek

Are spammers keto?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:27 AM

@JourneymanGeek nah.. maybe.... I won't be around to check. The day they announce such a thing, I'm out. Will delete all my accounts and stop using SE.

Marshmallow

^ See what I'm talking about? Your name is too big.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard quite a folks would go

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow my what is too big?! :D

Marshmallow

Can we change the subject to something less gloomy

Like a nuclear fallout

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Sure! My name!

Marshmallow

10:28 AM

Den on the Meta

How come I get the warnings when I get too Denny?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow Not enough pee for that

Marshmallow

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Worry not, backup has arrived

<

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow because you're Mar

Mar is smaller than Sha

let's see...

Rob

Together you're Ashram.

Marshmallow

Ashmar sounds better

Like an old evil deity that possesses a doll or something

Meta Andrew T.

10:31 AM

Now is the time for "Ads on the Meta".

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

alert("Mar smaller than Sha? " + ("Mar" < "Sha"));

See? JS agree with me. :D

Marshmallow

FWIW, I haven't voted on the ad thing because I haven't seen one yet

Meta Andrew T.

@Marshmallow high six

Marshmallow

But I'd certainly not want my mom to see ads of bras where I'm searching

Meta Andrew T.

@Marshmallow on LifeHacks.SE

Rob

10:33 AM

I can't find Ashmar, but here's Ashram: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashram

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Rob that's a mix. We can be ShaMar or MarSha though.

Marshmallow

@MetaAndrewT. Is that a thing anymore

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow sure, just asked a question there yesterday

Marshmallow

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Rename to Shallow Wizard so we can be MarShal

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

And got useful answer.

Marsha (horse)

Marsha (foaled 16 March 2013) is an Irish-bred, British-trained Thoroughbred racehorse and broodmare. She was a specialist sprinter, all but one of whose victories came over the minimum distance of five furlongs (1000 metres). After winning two minor races as a juvenile in 2015, she made progress throughout the following year, taking the Land O'Burns Fillies' Stakes and the City Walls Stakes before ending her season with a win in the Prix de l'Abbaye. In 2017 she added wins in the Palace House Stakes and the Nunthorpe Stakes and was sold at the end of the year for a record price of 6,000,000 guineas...

@Marshmallow nah.... maybe Shadow The Mar Wizard

:P

@Marshmallow since it's Google ads it means you'll get them according to what you search for. So if you really don't search for bras online, you'll be safe. ;)

Meta Andrew T.

10:37 AM

Shadow of the Marshmallow Wizard

Marshmallow

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard They have been successfully, magnificently irrelevant before. I never ever play browser games but that's what I keep getting on other sites with Google ads

Rob

Marsha

Meta Andrew T.

@Rob this picture is missing something like "Your kingdom awaits you. Play the most popular browser game now!"

Marshmallow

Just FYI, I'm not the horse's butt. My name comes first anyway.

Rob

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:40 AM

@Rob wrong. Marcia

Rob

That goes much better with that.

Meta Andrew T.

"Your zoo awaits you. Play the most popular browser!"

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Rob I see it

@Marshmallow yeah you're the head I'm the rear

Anyway... top Google image result for Marsha is.... ready? it is..... This!

Rob

Best to be up front: youtube.com/watch?v=DcNVcRK4F4g

Marshmallow

@rene sadly the high ratio on Islam.SE doesn't surprise me, although I'm not an active contributor there. Imagine if there was an emacsvsvim.SE. That's basically the situation in Islam.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:53 AM

@Rob better

Rob

Too long winded: youtube.com/watch?v=jMyL0HdXPuc

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

!!/pass wind

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard No such command 'pass'.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Such a polite bot

Rob

11:23 AM

Didn't do so good against the octopus!, or the racoon.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

But against a cucumber, they're helpless.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

12:10 PM

plz-delete module meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329800/… @Bart @rene

rene

12:54 PM

@Marshmallow yeah, I hand selected two sites that I expected to have an explicit voting culture. I'm biased. To do justice I'll create the network wide query.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

biased flower is biased

rene

1:13 PM

@Marshmallow here is the networkwide analysis: data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/1068071

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marsh you still work hard to fill the studies gap? Or did you finish all exams already?

Marshmallow

1:31 PM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard 2 weeks

@rene And emacsvsvim is unsurprisingly first sorted by ratio

Chem is 10th. I'm proud

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Isn't it the Pride Week now? :D

(think my city will hold the parade tomorrow)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard I think the Dutch pride week is somewhere in August. Isn't pride week different per country?

Marshmallow

I dunno, Pride is a crappy car.

google.com/…

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Tinkeringbell should be June, worldwide.

hmm...

> Most pride events occur annually, and many take place around June to commemorate the 1969 Stonewall riots in New York City, a pivotal moment in modern LGBTQ social movements.[4]

Marshmallow

Also, TeX is unsurprisingly the last.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

1:37 PM

TaXi?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Oh wait. Maybe that's only Amsterdam then, not the whole Netherlands.

But that would be strange as well...

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard TeX, the one that's missing another T.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yup

Marshmallow

First surprise: Germans are a happy bunch. 112th.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

hehe

Feeds

2:46 PM

stackoverflow.blog/2019/06/20/…

EKons

onebox 10/10

Tinkeringbell

@EKons It's marketing spam again, no new badges for you, sorry!

EKons

I really don't care about badges...

John Dvorak

Maybe we should remove SO blog from this chatroom already, given it's not actually about SO.

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds no list for you...

EKons

2:53 PM

or rename it to SE blog

because sometimes the posts there aren't about SO at all

Meta Andrew T.

waffles

John Dvorak

This one doesn't seem to be about SE at all

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak the company not the site

though admittedly this is a bit of filler content of sorts ._.

John Dvorak

It looks like advertising to me.

EKons

because it is

also, the company is actually "Stack Exchange, Inc."

Meta Andrew T.

3:01 PM

Schrodinger Name... I know...

John Dvorak

The physicist's name is actually in a quantum superposition of Schrodinger and Schroedinger until typed down.

Journeyman Geek

@EKons but they brand as stack overflow unless they change it again

EKons

that's the brand

so... yeah, you can't be sure which one fits for the blog

Journeyman Geek

And the blog is mostly for the brand

John Dvorak

That's confusing because the Stack Overflow app on android actually only handles Stack Overflow the site.

EKons

3:03 PM

the Stack Overflow app doesn't exist anymore

John Dvorak

Yusss!

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

3:24 PM

It's been taken off the Play Store for a while.

canon

Quick poll: Are people more sensitive, in general, than 10 years ago or are our institutions simply pandering to sensitivity more readily?

Meta Andrew T.

People in general, or SE users???

canon

SE is a microcosm of the global community, isn't it? (lol)

In general, let's say.

Tinkeringbell

@canon I've got a sociology book on a theory that states a lot of big problems have been fixed for a lot of people, so people start focusing on ever smaller stuff. In order to get enough attention though, they need to blow the small stuff up to big stuff proportions.

Meta Andrew T.

Hmm... dunno, but since the Social Media boom and the Ease of Internet Accessibility, I think the answer is "yes".

canon

3:28 PM

@Tinkeringbell Is it titled, First World Problems?

Tinkeringbell

@canon Nope ;)

EKons

@canon that book would be 100% rants...

Tinkeringbell

So I wouldn't say institutions are pandering more easily or that people have gotten more sensitive, but simply that the problems they're struggling with every day have changed in nature

Meta Andrew T.

But I'm certainly someone who is ineligible to opine since I care less about it...

canon

Food -> Shelter -> Health -> Broadband -> Tax Bracket -> Feelings

Tinkeringbell

3:32 PM

I mean, why do I rant about the way my company treats females from time to time, instead of focusing on solving world hunger or climate change? Because neither of the latter is a direct, big problem in my life.

EKons

@canon -> or >? ;P

big difference between the two symbols

canon

it's just an arrow

John Dvorak

@canon Perhaps it's related to the fact that the climate is going to \w{4} and that you live in the USA you need to work 17 hours per day if you want to pay off school, and if you wake up in the hospital, you know you won't be able to pay the rent for the next 70 years, and if you're lucky enough to not live in USA, or on an overcrowded peninsula, or to a $religion in a country that despises $religion, or [snip], you'll still hear of plenty people that do live in those places.

canon

what the hell is -> as a logical symbol anyway?

EKons

logical implication

John Dvorak

3:34 PM

It's a lambda literal in Ruby

EKons

but it's usually understood as "leads to" (i.e. logical implication in layperson terms)

canon

I dub it the progression of concerns

as each segment is resolved, you move to the next

Meta Andrew T.

Feelings -> Food

canon

lol

vicious cycle

Tinkeringbell

@canon Yep, there's this 'pyramids of needs' thing theory somewhere that kinda matches most of that ;)

EKons

3:35 PM

actually, "Feelings -> Food" isn't so false

canon

John Dvorak

Perhaps that's where the "upset" in "upset stomach" comes from

As in, upset stomach means stomach like that of upset people

EKons

@canon picture checks in

canon

It's an older meme, sir; but it checks out.

@JohnDvorak I can't think of anything but "dvorak keyboard layout" when I see your name.

Charlie Brumbaugh

Conspiracy theory, they retired the Reversal Badge badge because the reversal badges call attention to all the highly downvoted company announcements such as the Network Ad posts

Tinkeringbell

3:51 PM

@CharlieBrumbaugh And I wonder why people are complaining about never getting announcements ;)

John Dvorak

Because people can't complain if they never know what's coming to them

Meta Andrew T.

Complain Overflow [Complain.SE]

Charlie Brumbaugh

4:13 PM

This one meta.stackexchange.com/questions/316934/… had 29 reversal badges awarded

Tinkeringbell

@CharlieBrumbaugh I'm glad they didn't take the downvotes there as 'revisiting isn't needed and discussing this unnecessary!'

Charlie Brumbaugh

4:40 PM

The downvotes seemed to be more about why the process of changing things got started, not about making changes that had been requested for a long time

Tinkeringbell

4:52 PM

@CharlieBrumbaugh Yep. And I still find that mean...

fbueckert

5:18 PM

@Tinkeringbell No way to win. Yelled at if they don't, downvoted into oblivion if they do. There's no real decent option.

Except maybe just posting it all on a blog where neither can happen, I guess.

Tinkeringbell

@fbueckert I guess it's time to make meta less murderous, like Monica wrote that post about...

2

This isn't really sustainable in the long run...

Kevin B

i mean... you either value the opinion of those there enough to deal with the negativity, or you don't.

negativity isn't going anywhere

Tinkeringbell

@KevinB But right now, what do a lot of downvotes say? That people don't want ads at all? That they have worries and questions, like some of the answers express? That they're booty-bothered over the timing of the announcement?

That they find the discussion not useful, unclear, or lacking research effort?

Kevin B

they mean different things to different people

so probably all of the above

Tinkeringbell

@KevinB Good luck figuring out which is which then... I guess it makes listening to your community a lot harder.

Kevin B

5:27 PM

indeed.

The tools available don't allow us to provide such a reason in a way that scales.

We can downvote, leave a comment, and/or answer. or any combination of those. but it's unreasonable to expect 50 or 200 or more people to leave answers/comments saying the same thing

it often also "isn't an answer to the question"

Tinkeringbell

True. But why should Meta be any different from Main sites with regards to just sticking votes to what they're meant for, and comments and answers too?

The announcement is asking you to give feedback on the ads, you stick to giving feedback on the ads.

Kevin B

Frankly i find announcements being made in blog posts offensive, because it eliminates the ability to easily provide feedback. We can't just click a reaction button, or upvote a comment.

5

John Dvorak

Apparently you're supposed to post your own reaction rant on MSE

Tinkeringbell

@KevinB Perhaps not. But the announcement about new badges didn't get a flood of downvotes, and there were some good questions on MSE about the effects of them nonetheless, so...

fbueckert

@Tinkeringbell Ehh. I'm not sure such a culture shift is possible in the short term.

Kevin B

5:32 PM

it's strange though. because that's somewhat of a standard thing for announcements by companies

but SE, being the creator SO, has spoiled us with this platform that we can easily provide reactions to content through

Tinkeringbell

@fbueckert I'm not a patient person. That has worked on IPS so far XD

fbueckert

Nor am I sure that it should even be changed.

@KevinB Jobs has a...unicorn reaction? Seems like the infrastructure is there; just apply it to Meta.

Kevin B

Another example... On SO, i often come across well crafted questions that can easily be answered, that aren't necessarily duplicates, but... they're so specific and localized and poorly worded/titled that they'll never be useful to anyone else. We don't have any tools that we can use to express that reaction clearly without causing the OP to feel like they've been slighted

other than jsut not reacting and letting useless content continue to pile up

Tinkeringbell

I think if there were enough people curating SO, there'd be time to help with the 'poorly worded/titled' stuff to at least make sure others can find it?

Kevin B

that's the thing though... they won't find it

because people who have that problem don't know what to search for. that's why they have the problem in the first place

Tinkeringbell

5:37 PM

@KevinB So... it's either a dupe from something already asked that does use the right technical terms, or lacking the right technical terms?

Kevin B

eh, maybe dupe? somewhere? certainly possible. but even i often don't know what terms would actually find the answer

otherwise i'd be able to find a dupe, :p

Tinkeringbell

XD

Well, then I guess your best bet is to close stuff as 'unclear'? As in 'We have no clue what you're talking about'? :P

Kevin B

this for example is a fairly straightforward question, won't be that difficult to answer, but it's sooooo specific no one is ever going to encounter this problem and find this question. It could be improved, such as removing the no jquery requirement and letting that be a second question, or... i dunno, doing a bit more work before asking, but as is it's certainly answerable.

John Dvorak

Do you know how I call the alpha strain of overly specific question that aren't difficult answer? Homework dumps.

Kevin B

but... i don't feel comfortable answering questions like this

because it seems as if they've made no attempt to make any of the changes they're asking for

When i make a suggestion, they say show me how

John Dvorak

5:44 PM

If they want whole code - which is a safe assumption - I close as too broad

Kevin B

also... what is FP

the only thing that comes to mind is frontpage

lol

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@KevinB In context to SD?

(SmokeDetector)

(Sorry, couldn't resist responding with another acronym)

@KevinB Missing the "too localized" close reason?

Kevin B

eh, i'm in agreement that it was being abused too much

I think these questions should be allowed to be answered, i just would like a way for them to be cleaned up over time.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Meh, they do no harm.

John Dvorak

They do harm because they encourage more of themselves

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

5:52 PM

Propose it on MSO

Kevin B

they don't fit neatly into the box of content the site was supposedly designed for. they're outliers. we could just ignore them, they'll keep coming, getting answered, showing up in irrelevant search every now and then, etc. not a huge problem. but my point wasn't really about this question in particular, i've gotten off track

it's that the downvote is made for expressing that feedback

along with a lot of other types of feedback

you can't both downvote it for being useless and upvote it for being well written and answerable

Tinkeringbell

That sounds like 'just do nothing'

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

-19

Q: Comments: You've heard of +1, you've heard of -1. Now get ready for ±0!

In comments, some people voluntarily write "+1" or "-1" to indicate what they did vote-wise on the post. But when people want to say that they weren't the person who downvoted, there's no way to really say that concisely. So I propose "±0", which would function the exact same way but mean that th...

Kevin B

which is entirely useless for providing useful feedback on meta

I don't see meta as this special snowflake where voting all of a sudden doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense everywhere. You can't determine why someone upvoted or downvoted posts on stackoverflow either, or ips, or anywhere else. it's anonymous by design. Not voting at all means you're suppressing your opinion entirely, not giving it, which doesn't feel good.

I don't have any ideas for a solution, but i don't think using another platform that suppresses feedback is the answer.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

6:11 PM

@KevinB evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html

Tinkeringbell

Dang. Summer has broken loose in full force! All those bugs!

(luckily most are just flying by more than once ;) )

Kevin B

i find the +- funny

Tinkeringbell

6:29 PM

@KevinB It is! I want a rep change and see it too :)