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Journeyman Geek

12:17 AM

@JennaSloan kinda but it doesn't make whites whiter. Just less yellow

Jenna Sloan

I don't think yellow + blue = white

Journeyman Geek

12:32 AM

That wiki link explains the physics

Meta Andrew T.

2:49 AM

yellow... blue... black... white... ugh, my head...

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

6:09 AM

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog wasn't sure mods can do it, I know OP can. So mods can also override suggested edit review decisions?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

6:19 AM

plz-delete batch of two: html parameters, Counting Principles @rene @Bart

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

6:45 AM

@Rob Holy Toilets

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Nah, one that isn't blocked over at @Marshmallow's place :P

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Tinkeringbell no such thing exists :(

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard There is one!

pasteboard.co/IjWJJ1W.jpg < That link works for Marshmallow ;)

Marshmallow

Excellente 💟

Magisch

So it seems SE is using google ads for the rest of the network

which means adblock becomes a security necessity on SE

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

7:01 AM

@Tinkeringbell not for long... when the people in charge will notice they'll block that one too.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard So we don't tell them.

:P

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

If a country doesn't want its people to have free will, they'll do anything to achieve that.

Anyway.....

!!/coffee Tink

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard brews a cup of Mocha for @Tink

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Magisch indeed, that's really, really, awful. Just got a scam ad, selling a magic kit to learn new language in a week, for "only $60"

SE is no longer special when it comes to ads, they're as bad as all other sites. Which is worse, since they promised they won't be, and lied. :(

Magisch

I mean, personally in my experience the #1 vector to infect your pc with malware is highjacked advertisements on the web

and google ads have a terrible track record in that field

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

7:05 AM

No need to be hijacked, those scam ads are as bad as any malware.

Meta Andrew T.

I like spam

with ham

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Not spam, just scam.

Spam sell legit stuff many times.

Scam is pure evil.

It's people who make money from scamming other people, who are easy to trust others.

John Dvorak

Like psychiatrists?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

7:26 AM

@JohnDvorak yes just online ;)

Meta Andrew T.

e-psychiatrist...

rene

7:41 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard now gone

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

8:06 AM

@rene no I'm not gone

:D

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

8:33 AM

hmm.... did SE remove the Google evil ads? Tried to take screenshot to post an angry tweet, but all I get now are internal ads for Jobs/Teams.

Meta Andrew T.

Until now I only get SO internal ads but never the evil ads... I don't know what are you talking about :(

The ads hate me...

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. should have taken screenshot.... it was ad to local scammer which was local brand of global scammer who used Google Translate to sell a magic kit that teach you new language in a week.

No animation, but surely if such evil ad is there, all kind of awful ads are also in the same package.

Like I said in some comment.... SE let their advertisers go wild in exchange for money.

Marshmallow

8:54 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Well, be ready for next time

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow will be!

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Well, my friend just learnt a new language in a week... with Google Translate.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

lol

But he didn't pay $60 for that...

Dog or parrot around? Off topic mini wave.... (3 questions in a row so far)

Make it 2, one was deleted by OP

John Dvorak

If they can teach you a new language in a week... why did they use Google Translate?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@JohnDvorak excellent point! rofl

The Hebrew was so bad it was funny to read.

Judge for yourself, that's the site that was directly linked from ad inside Stack Exchange question page (think it was on SF&F site): he.improve-your-skills.eu

John Dvorak

9:07 AM

I only know one word in Hebrew, and I don't think it's there.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

lol

Let me guess, some curse word?

John Dvorak

unless you're an atheist, no :P

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

lol, you know the Hebrew word for God?

John Dvorak

aye

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Nice, it's pretty long.

John Dvorak

9:09 AM

It's just four letters.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

oh.... that's not the Hebrew word for God, it's the direct name of God.

It's forbidden to write it, actually.

John Dvorak

It's forbidden to Jews. God himself never wanted that ban.

Those who wrote Bible used God's name freely

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@JohnDvorak they earned mod privileges. ;)

It's also not forbidden in English... so you mean Jehova, right?

John Dvorak

Correct

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Are you a Witness? :O

I served with one in the army. Funny guy. :D

John Dvorak

9:13 AM

in the army?

I find it surprising to find one there

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@JohnDvorak yup. Member of Jehovah's Witnesses who lived in Israel and volunteered to the army. (He was 25 or so, his name was Jason... forgot his last name.)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard dog was asleep. Just throw the links in here and I would check

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard I thought they objected to serving in the military?

John Dvorak

@JourneymanGeek that's why I'm surprised

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@JourneymanGeek not that I know of. Many religious people serve in the army.

(even Muslims, in IDF.)

@JourneymanGeek catch, catch 2. ;)

Thanks!

John Dvorak

Among Jehovah's Witnesses, it is ... highly unusual. Plenty Witnesses refused to serve in military even when faced with the prospect of concentration camps.

I wouldn't refuse civil service, but I'm thankful I wasn't asked to even do that.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

9:19 AM

@JohnDvorak Maybe only in USA? Think one of their goals is to reach Israel or something, no? (I never really read in depth about them, just know they exist :))

Magisch

i've heard horrible things about the watchtower society

John Dvorak

God stopped focusing on the physical nation of Israel somewhen around 30AD, and instead founded a "spiritual Israel" out of people that can actually be trusted with that kind of privilege.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

hmm... sounds very Wise. :)

Magisch

But ~~maybe~~ absolutely the tavern isn't the best place to get in the nitty-gritty of religion

John Dvorak

I'd like to debunk these "horrible things" you've heard

Magisch

9:26 AM

seperate chatroom?

John Dvorak

No problem

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

The Watchtower room?

Marshmallow

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard International Diabetes Foundation?

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak We have mandatory military service. Rumours are we throw them into military prison for the period, then release them. I'm not a fan of this but yanno....

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow Internal Data Force

@JourneymanGeek here it's mandatory only for those born in Israel, or got here as children perhaps... in my case it was a 25 y/o man who got in as adult, so he didn't have to serve.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

9:45 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Yes, mods can.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog nice, thanks.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:01 AM

Can be funny if the journey question will be nuked by @Journey :D

And that happened. lol

Appears to be legit user with spammy signature, that was removed

@ArtOfCode what to do with such a user? Should we remove them from blacklist?

Without that signature, the post is useful.

Marshmallow

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Sounds like extra effort. IIRC we fp'd them in the first place, but now that they're an item in a table or something, let's see what their next post would look like

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:17 AM

@Marshmallow doubt there will be one, but in the meantime we'll get a report whenever edit is made

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@TimPost Looks like we have several people clamoring for product updates and a number of users are getting pessimistic.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

meh

Not worth pinging here, IMO. He can see the inbox notifications.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

He's generally responded to my pings. (It's early morning in the U.S., maybe I should wait until it's active working hours?)

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

I care less for the lack of updates, more for the "Yes, there will be next week" said months ago. That's the part that makes me sad.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

(at which point he'll be in an internal chat room on this server and thus receive the ping alert immediately)

Tinkeringbell

10:23 AM

... and here I thought Twitter was the only thing getting me down today ... :P

All those complaints!

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

I wonder, why the big push all of a sudden, though?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Just careful not to over-do it, @Sonic. Pings to staff got you in trouble before.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog what push?

John Dvorak

The thing that gets me down the most often is a flight of stairs next to my apartment.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

I've just been editing my post, and making sure to keep the tone optimistic, so why the new question with the pessimistic tone?

@JohnDvorak Literally, correct?

John Dvorak

yes

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:26 AM

@JohnDvorak you're a wise person.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog because people get desperate?

John Dvorak

Speaking of which, isn't it weird that the densest possible arrangement of living areas is called "apart-ment"?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

lol

Wonders of English

In Hebrew it's just "dira", short and simple. :D

John Dvorak

In Czech it's "byt". Cf. "být", which means "to be".

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

heh. The meaning in Hebrew (of the verb form) is "to live in"

Quite simple yet.

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak It's because even though they're in 1 building, they're all 'apart' from each other. Apartments are a city thing here, where people really live past each other (there's way less social cohesion than in a neighbourhood with regular houses).

Report received.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

10:32 AM

Spammer lives?

oh. No. lol

Tinkeringbell

Not?

John Dvorak

nice. "bydlení" would probably be closer than "být", and it does mean "housing / living in pl."

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Tinkeringbell Took you some seconds! :D

No "delete and nuke spammer" button?

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog You should totally drop that and use jQuery

Tinkeringbell

10:33 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Not on the company laptop, no.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog why not? Smokey has no feedback for receiving manual report

(not instant, at least)

@Tinkeringbell :(

!!/jQuery

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard No such command 'jquery'.

Marshmallow

@JohnDvorak bro that's deep

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Marshmallow Blue?

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard It got reported

Marshmallow

10:37 AM

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard It could be brown

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

The 5-minute delay also applies to manual reports from this room. There was a feature request a while back to provide instant feedback here in case someone makes a manual report here, but I don't know what happened to it.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Interestingly, I know the next door neighbors, but not the 3 other people and the 1 family that lives literally 2 m from me

The last time I talked to one of them was them asking me if the TV reception was down. I don't own a TV

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch One of the reasons I'm looking to buy an apartment is to get rid of some of the social expectations that come with living in a regular house. It would be awesome to just have my own place where I can come home after work and not be held up at the front door or a few feet from it.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog sure but Tavern has 5 minutes delay

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

3 mins ago, by Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

The 5-minute delay also applies to manual reports from this room. There was a feature request a while back to provide instant feedback here in case someone makes a manual report here, but I don't know what happened to it.

Marshmallow

10:41 AM

@Magisch Is the TV reception down? What about now

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog well, that's a proof that request was not done. (yet?)

@Marshmallow eww

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

"I don't know what happened to it"

i.e. whether it was declined or simply backlogged

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Magisch hehe, well, our only interactions with the people living right below us is when they ask us to tell the children to stop running around in the house.

(or throw things on the floor)

Rob

11:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell @sha Ah, here's some images they won't block: mediashift.org/2015/01/…

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Four years old... still relevant? They might change policy once in a while.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

12:16 PM

zZzzzZzz

Tinkeringbell

snore

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

12:44 PM

#1 in weird stuff, no doubt ^

Tinkeringbell

Anyone know if it's possible to get the numbers of people who voted in pro tempore elections so far in an easy lazy way?

Meta Andrew T.

Count the badge...

Tinkeringbell

No, I mean other pro tempore elections, on multiple sites... sorry.

so for all the pro tempore elections that have been held so far.

Meta Andrew T.

That... would need some SEDE wizardry to determine if the election was pro-tempore or not ._.

Tinkeringbell

I was afraid....

I guess SEDE it is.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

12:55 PM

@rene is the SEDE wizard.

I'm just Curly.

Tinkeringbell

Maybe I'll try this one myself first. I have had 'do something with SEDE' on a list for way too long ;)

Anne Daunted

Someone's frustrated.

Meta Andrew T.

Keep calm and do angry management...

(also, stay away from Meta...)

John Dvorak

says Meta

Aibobot

ANGTRY MANAGEMENT!

Anne Daunted

1:04 PM

Management has every reason to be angry.

Tinkeringbell

I'm cool, just had a second pear popsicle. I've got this ;)

Aibobot

I just got into work

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot I almost get to go out again! :D

Aibobot

on the bright side, our ticketing system is down for the next few days

Stormblessed

250

Q: The homework tag is now officially deprecated

Homework is no longer a tag on Stack Overflow. Keeping this post for historical reference. --Shog9 The result of a rather lengthy discussion concludes with the homework tag needing to go away on Stack Overflow. As far as tag burninations go, this is quite large, with over 20,000 questio...

Shouldn't this be on MSO, not here? It's only relevant there

Aibobot

1:12 PM

@Stormblessed MSE was MSO :p

Meta Andrew T.

Can't be migrated though... too old

Aibobot

and quite honestly, moving the posts or deletion is more trouble than its worth

so... I'd suggest just chalking it down to community technical debt, and leaving it be

Rob

1:30 PM

@Tinkeringbell I've seen at least one case where there was an "election" and only one candidate, so the CM skipped the election and made the person a Moderator, so no one voted.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Still not pro tempore.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@MetaAndrewT. CM can migrate it

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard It should be pro-tempore.... Otherwise, the nomination phase will be extended/cancelled altogether

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog yup and close as dupe of this one.

Meta Andrew T.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog technically, yes. Practically..?

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

1:33 PM

@MetaAndrewT. It's still done from time to time, IIRC there was one last month

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Shog did migrate some old stuff over the years.

Aibobot

Honestly? Curation is good and all, but shouldn't be the primary focus of folks

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Shog figured out a secret way to "silently" migrate questions without creating a migration history, so the post is not active

Aibobot

Current posts, sure, but its a lot of wasted effort trying to 'fix' stuff that are not quality of life or site issues

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard It's been made clear that moderators elected or appointed in beta site elections are still considered "pro-tempore" and will have to give up their diamonds if/when the site graduates.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

1:34 PM

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog oh, didn't know.

Aibobot

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog well in practice, they should have an excellent shot of winning again

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Anyway.... I get emails with 🍕 in their title. Yummy!

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Aibobot But you didn't

Aibobot

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog nope

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Well, your main account didn't

Aibobot

1:36 PM

At that point of time, I wasn't really handling enough flags to feel I was active eough

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Didn't you have a zero candidate score in the Software Recommendations election since you served as a pro-tem mod?

Aibobot

I didn't check.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Most of the candidate badges are awarded for normal user actions not normally taken by mods, and some of them are outright ineligible to be awarded to mods. So being an early pro-tem mod will lower your candidate score.

Aibobot

Also, this was a situation that was a little different

if its immediately after graduation, people know you

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

So to match the difference, you have to make sure you're earning rep so that your rep-based score offsets the low badge-based score and gives you a similar score to other non-pro-tem candidates

Meta Andrew T.

1:38 PM

@Aibobot uhh... who are you?

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Ah, then that's at least 1 pro tempore election on the list of 'sites that had less votes during a pro tempore election than IPS' XD

Aibobot

I stood for election after a gap, on request, and didn't really have that much activity

@MetaAndrewT. Journeyman Geek

Meta Andrew T.

gasp

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@MetaAndrewT. I think you'll know if you pay close attention to the message you replied to

Tinkeringbell

@MetaAndrewT. It says so in every profile description XD

> Journeyman Geek's Cybernetic Sock. Is the Fake Dog Plastic , or the Plastic Dog Fake?

Mithrandir

1:40 PM

I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

Tinkeringbell

Ah. Sorry. Too slow today XD

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Mithrandir @meta joke

Aibobot

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog quite honestly...

I can typically do as much as a regular active user as a mod

there's a few folks who do remarkable work on per site metas and elsewhere even without the diamond

Tinkeringbell

1:54 PM

@Aibobot Waait what? That's like driving without a license! :P

Rob

Like Henry Hack the diamondless CM.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Not much activity, but yeah.... surely cross site and helpful. :D

Meta Andrew T.

Not a CM either...

Rob

Isn't he ran by Robert?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. Community Member

@Rob doubt it. Appears to be ordinary person, not a sock of anyone.

Meta Andrew T.

2:01 PM

was suspended before, IIRC

Rob

Did you scroll down the profile, I ask rhetorically ...

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

If it's really Robert, that comment for example is really weird:

@RobertCartaino Maybe if you put a call for moderators using the old fashion way stackoverflow.blog/2010/07/27/moderator-pro-tempore things may work out. (I mean this site doesn't have much of the user base for an election.) — Henry WH Hack v2.1.3 Jun 11 at 20:52

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell That's a wrong analogy; it's more like bicycling without professional training

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard Anyone can do that; the linked blog post even says to do it

Meta Andrew T.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog he meant, replying to their own sock

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog I mean talking to himself, didn't even read the comment.

heh, meta ninja! :D

Rob

2:02 PM

I've seen people ping their own account, let alone socks.

Shadow of the Shadow's Shadow

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard hello

@Rob well...

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowoftheShadow'sShadow hi

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

:D

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Shadow Be prepared for double pings

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Well, in chat it's funny... but in actual posts? Doubt it.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog I'm always prepared. ;)

Rob

2:04 PM

Seen them pee on their socks too, but that's OT.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Rob wet socks sucks

Meta Andrew T.

Wait until Nog pinging Shog

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

So nah, won't do it.

Rob

Tis true.

Magisch

Nog Shine is not Shog though

Rob

2:05 PM

Agreed

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Shog Nine is a nice person.

Meta Andrew T.

Same as Henry is not Robert :)

Rob

So is Nog

Meta Andrew T.

Henry is Nog!?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

Think someone used to always misspell Shog's name, even after being corrected tons of times...

Rob

2:07 PM

Shog Nein.

Magisch

I wonder how shog feels about his name being discussed so much

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

eh

Nov 21 '18 at 3:42, by user1271772

@Alex : Oh because right before that someone was saying "Not Shine" is not a sock of "Shog Nine", so I thought you were keeping track of the number of people who believe he's a sock (+10) and the number of people who think it's just an extra dummy account made by Shog09 (-26)

@Magisch flattered?

Aibobot

@Magisch his ears must be burning

Magisch

Jun 6 at 4:16, by Journeyman Geek

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog Shog works in mysterious ways.

Rob

As long as his socks aren't wet, he'll be happy.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

2:13 PM

Happy Shog a Day Keeps the Ban Away

poking @Olivia who keeps silent all day long

Olivia

throws @Shadow out of the tavern without saying a word >:D

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

flying back through open window and pokes @Olivia again :P

Tinkeringbell

I hereby set up a ban on poking.

Olivia

throws the shadowed parrot out of the tavern

Magisch

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

2:25 PM

poking the poking ban

going to eat hot salsa

!!/salsa Tink

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard No such command 'salsa'.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheCurlyBracedWizard No thanks! Especially not a hot one. The weather is hot enough already, I don't need spicy food on top of that!

Aibobot

also

salsa. has. tomatos

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Aibobot correct

actually it's matbuha, but pretty sure it's just the local name of salsa

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot I had so carefully managed to avoid mentioning those!

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

2:32 PM

hmm... turns out it's not.

Matbukha

Matbukha (Arabic: مطبوخة‎ maṭbūkhah) is a cooked dish of tomatoes and roasted bell peppers seasoned with garlic and chili pepper. The name of the dish originates from Arabic and means "cooked salad". It is served as an appetizer, often as part of a meze. Matbukha is popular across the Maghreb and in Israel, to where it was brought by Jewish immigrants from Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, and Libya. == See also == Galayet bandora, a similar Jordanian dish Lecsó, a similar dish with onions and paprika List of Moroccan dishes Harira Briouat Chermoula Ajika, a similar Georgian-Abkhaz dish, from t...

Aibobot

isn't salda raw?

salsa

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Aibobot That's not salsa, looks more like a vegetable curry

Aibobot

vaguely the point I was making

though as a question, rather than a statement ;p

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Shadow Out of curiosity, why review this as "Leave Open"?

Aibobot

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog why not?

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

2:42 PM

I want to know why others disagreed with me. (I was the one to kickstart the closure process.)

Aibobot

Its a significantly better question

If we were going to do a dupe closure, it should go the other way

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

The answer there addresses this question

Aibobot

and lets not forget. The point of meta isn't just curation.

Its also helps folks find answers.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog Its a significantly better question

so do we want people to end up there, or the worse one?

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Isn't the policy here on meta to close questions as duplicates if the answer on one question addresses another, even though the questions aren't the same?

Aibobot

Nope

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

2:44 PM

@Aibobot The answers are on the wrong one

Aibobot

Don't focus on the mechanics

Meta is about people

Getting hung up on policy kinda missed the point

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Aibobot So maybe we should merge the worse one into the better one, so the answers there end up on the better one, I guess?

Aibobot

Or post an answer referencing the other one, for these specific situation

Cause mergers are a pain.

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@Aibobot yes, the tomatoes aren't cooked

Aibobot

ah

that's not clear from the wiki page

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

2:51 PM

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog because it's not even remotely duplicate of the question you linked as dupe.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

7 mins ago, by Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Isn't the policy here on meta to close questions as duplicates if the answer on one question addresses another, even though the questions aren't the same?

Shadow The Curly Braced Wizard

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog sometimes, it's not set in stone.

That's a clear case when it's not.

Also, the question asks to change the faq.... the answers there don't address it in any way.

Aibobot

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog Its in no way a policy

There's users who are somewhat enthusiastic about it, sure

but its not set in stone in anyway, and we hope/expect people to use their discretion and common sense.

Once again - folks shouldn't be too focused on curation IMO. We should be focused on helping people find the information they need to use the network effectively. In some cases that involved curation but we should be asking 'is this helpful to close as a dupe" over some idea that this is policy

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

@Aibobot As an example of helping people, is my dupe vote here in lieu of closing as site-specific more helpful?

Aibobot

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog if you cannot effectively make that determination on your own, should you be doing it?

that SHOULD be closed as site specific, or migrated.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

3:05 PM

@Aibobot I just voted, not bindingly closed. I cast that vote solely as an example, fully knowing that the site-specific reason will overrule it since there are already three votes for it.

Aibobot

but the quality isn't that great, so what Arulkumar did seems sufficent.

@SonictheBracketedHedgehog he could ask a question without the tag, then request it on meta.

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

Which is what the dupe says. (Note: I normally edit my dupe comments to point to the specific section in an FAQ where it's answered, and sometimes even provide the TL;DR answer in it. For instance, "You can ask the question without the tag or with a remotely related existing tag, and request in a comment that someone else create the tag for you. See the relevant FAQ: [link]")

Aibobot

but but

you're focused on the mechanics

Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog

I couldn't do it here since my comment was autodeleted since the OP approved the vote

Aibobot

and there's more to effective meta as that.

*than that

Feeds

4:10 PM

Adios to Unfriendly Badges: Ahoy, Lifejacket and Lifeboat

Jon Ericson on June 18, 2019

Analytical

Documentation badges

Tumbleweed and Reversal

Julia Silge’s analysis demonstrated that the Tumbleweed badge wasn’t serving its purpose.

Meg Risdal is our Product Manager who led us to make these changes.

Jane Willborn wrote the code.

Nick Craver made sure the Lifejacket and Lifeboat triggers don’t break the site.

Ben Voigt suggested the trigger we used first for Winter Bash hats and now for two new badges.

A bunch of people tested those triggers on our sites and prodded us to keep considering something like these new badges. We also got a bunch of feedback about Reversal and especially Tumbleweed that helped us understand how they worked in practice. We’ve got an amazing community here! …

Marshmallow

@Feeds Reversal? Meta got 80% less fun

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds yep, this is what I want from the blog onebox: SUMMARY OF THE LIST!