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Yup. I was thinking the same thing

user302202

Argh, I upvoted plagiarism...

Catija

I........yes. Yes it is. https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/1123531597314019329

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on May 1, 2019 at 10:27 AM

Retweeted.

user302202

1:26 AM

I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but can we please remove the 'featured' tag now? It's been three weeks, it's not really news anymore. Thanks a lot :) — hiergiltdiestfu 16 hours ago

user302202

"stfu applied here"? I don't know much about German acronyms.

It's like a serverless restaurant, with a server:

user302202

1:57 AM

In case of food, I strongly prefer serverless.

user302202

Wish Panera's model was more widely adopted.

2:08 AM

@VoteDukakis I've visited and then become a member of sites because of HNQ, as well as asked questions and gotten great answers. I would never have known those sites existed if it weren't for the existence of HNQ.

What is with Peter's editing closed posts (particularly ones by @ShadowWizard) - he received a comment about this earlier.

What's wrong with editing closed posts?

2:24 AM

It bumps it and puts it into the Review Queue, so instead of being closed by one person (Hammered) it becomes re-reviewed by up to five more people. If either one had edited prior to closing it would be preferred (and unnecessary). What are your thoughts, forest, as to why it's a good idea?

Well from that edit at least, it looks like it fixed several mistakes.

It'd be better if there were an option to not bump an edit though.

Something like an IB's "sage".

@Rob semi-automated script. Has been asked and told many times but no response.

Q: Add a checkbox to indicate whether a third-party edit makes the question reopenable or not

@Rob If you're looking at my comment, for context to others, that was not related to the reopen review queue at all. Rather, I was referring to the edit summary, which asserts that he "did not bump it" since it was already bumped earlier as it was closed (it wasn't, since closing posts doesn't bump them).

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This is not a duplicate of Give 2k users a 'don't put this in the reopen queue' checkbox. That request has been declined; this is a request to reconsider that decision. There is a known issue of users editing questions that get closed recently after they get closed, for grammar. While the edits ...

@Rob @forest You might consider supporting this feature request, for what it's worth.

Unbumped it would have been Roomba'd slightly sooner. Sort of like washing dirt before throwing it on the floor, only to vacuum it.

@Rob Duplicates aren't Roomba'd 9 days after closure.

2:31 AM

See also: Requesting a “Stop Polishing Turds” Edit Suggestion Reject Reason, which shog9 answered.

@Rob Some users think it's an invalid reason though

(Eventually, that specific situation was resolved as a CM gave it a binding Leave Closed review)

It's the bump and requeuing that I dislike the most, not the pedantry.

@Rob I mention that user (not by name) at the end of my request.

The answer makes the mistaken assumption that he uses a fully automated script, rather than semi-automated. (You know it's semi-automated since he's published said script.)

Yes, there a Moderator Ⓜ️ (unnamed) whom spellchecks where he moderates, I know it's a spellchecker because occasionally it will swap one letter for another and change the meaning of the sentence (and catching the editor).

When the result is correct it's a bit more difficult to argue with the method - that doesn't mean that I enjoy the bump & grind.

I'm complicit there too. When I edit posts for grammar and spelling, I've often been accused of editing valid British spellings to American - in many cases, those are flagged by my (American) spell checker as incorrect, and in others, I've either never seen a word spelled that way or it sounds very weird (e.g. BrE prefers an 's' instead of a 'z' in many words, and in AmE both are pronounced very differently; I often read words letter-by-letter rather than letting my brain interpolate).

tl;dr I tend to make localized spelling changes. (I actually typed "localised" there, but my system "helpfully" autocorrected it to "localized".)

2:46 AM

Technically, initially, it ought to be American English spelling, but if it turns out to be Canadian or British then is the edit really needed.

Q: Let users editing a question know if editing it would add it to the reopen queue

Back to the main issue at hand, in the meantime, you can support this feature request:

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This is sort of similar to Let reviewers know if a suggested edit will push the question into the reopen queue, which was positively received, but was declined for technical reasons. I propose that users who are editing a post that was closed within the last five days be shown a notice on top of...

feature-request review edits vote-to-reopen

It won't resolve the specific problem you mentioned, but it will at least quell it when it comes to others. Plus, it's positively received and thus more likely to be implemented.

(I did request the same for suggested edit reviewers, and it was much more positively received, but declined for technical reasons.)

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I can't think of many words that are pronounced differently in AmE and BrE, other than aluminium. The vast majority are the same

I read that carefully and skimmed the linked one. A solution seems to be that if it stays closed the edit gets no credit That way the editor gets paid for useful work (even robo-edit work) but if it remains closed they get no edit credit - and we either keep or reject the edit.

lieutenant/leftenant is another.. but much rarer

If you like writing those similar sounding (but not duplicate) requests it's yours.

2:56 AM

@Rob If the rule was clearly documented in the UI I'd agree, but it's not, so given the current state of the UI I'd disagree with that.

(since there are multiple Rob's, I'll use replies to make it clear who I'm talking to so only the relevant person gets pinged)

Rob, it's that one person has 'completed' the work (hammer closed, no edit) and after closing it gets edited (possibly by script) re-entering the queue for five people to deal with.

@Rob I'm on the neuro-atypical spectrum, and one of my "oddities" is that I read words letter by letter, so for instance when I see the word "realise" I think "realisssssse? Oh, he meant realize (with a clear "z" sound)".

I GTG, so you'll be replying to the other Rob. Thanks for the chat.

For the same reason, the word "manoeuvre" confused the hell out of me; I literally had to Google it and find out it was BrE for "maneuver"

Or more accurately, French English ;)

3:00 AM

Or manure.

The word "diarrhoea" gave me diarrhea (and was also "helpfully" autocorrected)

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Hmm. Trying to think of a counter example, but for the most part 'ise' is pronounced the same as 'ize'

Well, it does have an upside: I can easily spot typos

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Out of curiosity, does that mean you're unable/have extreme difficulty reading something like this?

I remember at a local science museum there was an exhibit where you had to count all the letter F's in a sentence. I correctly answered 6, but so many other museumgoers answered 3 and I couldn't figure out why initially

3:05 AM

That one of those multiple 'of' things?

Yeah, because in AmE the word "of" is pronounced with a "v" sound, and there were three "of"s in the sentence, so people would only spot the other three

It's pronounced with a v sound in all versions of English I know

Not in Indian English; there it's pronounced like the word "off"

Not in my experience

At least, the difference is subtle

@Rob Actually three

But those three are clearly willing and OK to do it

3:14 AM

It looks like it's OK afterall, extrapolating that Q&A to someone over 2K it's thought to be useful - maybe Waffles would be willing to waffle ...

It seems like my earlier proposed solution would be most useful. Reasoning: If the edit was rejected there's no 'edit credit' and no bump. If it was closed and the OP edited, and it wasn't reopened, it would remain closed (though the OP does get an 'edit credit', even a Badge if they don't already have one). So why give a bumper a credit if it remains closed - tag fixing is arguably better but minor edits that remain

closed just bump (and reward the pedantic).

3:32 AM

How do you reject edit by fully privileged user?

You don't. You can revert the edit though.

... and it bumps. Again.

well yeah

@NoDistractionWizard well the idea is we trust folks past that point to make any edits, with the bumping + notifying the OP acting as a impetus to review

Exactly that

3:35 AM

also damn it wizards. I can't remember which is which except the ~~OG wizard~~ ShadowWizard

I felt like rolling it, but my only concern was undoing the close (which shouldn't happen, and I didn't need 5 minutes of helping the queue to turn into 10 minutes of researching "what happens when ...") so I just pressed "Leave Closed" (which isn't wrong).

Apr 23 at 14:28, by Sonic the Wizard Werehog

Might as well topple the wizardry tower while you're at it.

tl;dr I'm the one who encouraged it in the first place; now I'm officially dis-establishing it

ITS ALL YOUR FAULT!

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!!/blame me

SmokeDetector

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog It's No Distraction Wizard's fault.

3:41 AM

Actually the whole themed username has been going on for longer

and its confusing.

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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Meme: Wizards Originators: Shadow Wizard, Ask a Question Wizard Cultural height: As tall as the wizardry tower goes Background: Shadow Wizard is one of the most prolific users here on Meta. While their name previously didn't hold that much significance, after another prolific Meta user, Sonic,...

Three other users did so after I adopted it, then four more after the SO feature rolled out (three if you discount the usual NH/AT game)

I don't

ANYWAY

its confusing and I will complain a lot.

The real problem is on NH/AT though

even it spawned a userscript to fix it...

Yeah, I found it confusing too (which is part of why I posted that answer, as a log of it). Unfortunately, as soon as the 30-day restriction lapsed, the SO feature rolled out and more users adopted it into their usernames, so I couldn't bring myself to move away.

Eventually I got fed up and decided to dis-establish it

The Robs have discussed Rob, and apparently Rob won't be changing his name; nor will I.

3:46 AM

@JourneymanGeek I still don't even get it.

I blame @Shadow since he's the one who decided to muddle hedgehogs and wizards together.

@forest In otter words: following users who frequently changing name every 1 month to other unrelated names is hard...

For the longest time, I thought these everyone with Wizard and Sonic in their name were the same people. It was quite confusing.

3:56 AM

But if the only problem is the "wizard" meme, not the NHAT game, then I'll gladly stop the former (not that I participated in the first place) and continue the latter...

Though in the end, we are just another dogs behind the monitor...

@NoDistractionWizard yup

It's not wizards specifically

It's constant unrelated name changed

Alright, I'll keep in mind.

Over-respecting someone is dangerous...

4:18 AM

At least I try and make it less confusing, by always beginning my name with "Sonic".