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12:11 AM

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Journeyman Geek

12:41 AM

Morning

Hm

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog option 4...

Post an answer saying it's fixed, thought you're unsure when or by who

No one but mods or staff will see a flag. Everyone will see an answer.

Until such a point where there is a better way to keep track of it.

I'd half seriously suggest a 'proposed status tag' or some other mechanic to handle it but that is going to need a little more thinking

Journeyman Geek

1:22 AM

Which we're apparently already doing ;p

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2:32 AM

Moarning..

@JourneymanGeek been there, done that...

Journeyman Geek

Yup

And that's probably as useful as an official tag

2:47 AM

and the last time I tried to make devs added status-tags... (the journey started from there...)

Journeyman Geek

Lol. I guessssss

But that's a room specific to the app?

I mean if a mod feels there's a clear enough reason (and at the moment I'm sticking to low hanging flags) or a staffy person goes 'dang let's fix this'...

I don't want to force the status flags because I cannot be always 100% sure either, and sometimes it needs more discussion. That's why I chose not to flag and instead just put all the triaged bug reports/FRs into 1 convenient chat room to check

basically I hijacked that room though :|

Journeyman Geek

Honestly - if whoever is on the other end is fine it's fine. It's when people who are asked to stop keep doing it... :P

user302202

3:06 AM

An important question: is this enough? Not sure...

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user302202

I didn't mean that should be reported... if anything, I'd report this spammer instead: sharepoint.stackexchange.com/users/81617/adsasd

Journeyman Geek

@Mrs.Robinson it's naa/ someone presumably abusing SE imgur without realising you don't actually need to hit post

3:32 AM

Imgur is suddenly really slow for me...

curious about the username, apparently it's really "BTS Army"

Journeyman Geek

It's a kpop boy band fan club

4:25 AM

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Morning!

7:05 AM

Morning?

@SmokeDetector why

@ShadowWizard Bad keyword in body - Position 306-311: serum

@SmokeDetector fp-

I downvote morning.

@JourneymanGeek wondering why user was suspended for 32 days, and not the standard month? Not that I care in this case or that it matters, just thought there is a simple "one month" option, instead of manually typing amount of days. (hours??)

@Alex -1

@ShadowWizard Well if it makes you happy, I don't discriminate against morning. I downovte other times of day as well.

7:12 AM

@Alex +1

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard o0

Which User?

@JourneymanGeek oh oops thought you know since you interacted with them here in the past.

(better not put it in public)

Also, looks more like they were into some weird edit spree, not totally legit.

So the reason doesn't seem correct but I can't really know and don't really care in this case. :)

Anyway, the suspension time just looked odd.

oh wait... maybe it started as 30 days and got auto-incremented? Can this happen?

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/324117/152859

7:31 AM

@ShadowWizard Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]

@user1271772 thanks! Impressive that you remember! :D

Journeyman Geek

Ohhh

Nooooooot idea

@ShadowWizard I literally have no idea why it's 32 days

It should, as far as I can tell be 30 days

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

7:49 AM

@ShadowWizard February is a 28-day month this year.

So a 30-day suspension imposed in February would end in March + 2 days.

@JourneymanGeek It is 30 days.

Also, general opinion: moderators shouldn't specify the reason "rule violations" unless they can point to a specific rule that the user violated. Otherwise, they should use a different reason, e.g. "to cool down".

kaboom

@JNat cross-site spammer for nuking; stackexchange.com/users/15355122/samsun-rock

@JourneymanGeek weird. Tempted to ping Shog.... ;)

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog ohhhh

feeling stupid

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog wasn't the reason voting irregularities? checking again

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard No, it was "rule violations".

oh you're right

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

I understand that there are various causes where a user would need to be suspended, for which there is no specific rule that can be pointed to. E.g. this. But that's why the "cool down" reason exists.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog nah, rule violations is fine. And no need to know exactly what rule IMO, but that would be a valid feature request.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

8:00 AM

@ShadowWizard See above message

Cool down is when one is being rude/offensive or act in response to something that happened to them, that doesn't appear the case with this user.

More like some edit spree, and not the first.

Bumping tons of posts, with no good reason.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard The word "cool down" on its own doesn't imply that. And if the canned message implies it, it's extremely easy to press Ctrl+A and Delete and compose your own message.

@ShadowWizard We as non-mods don't know if that's the reason. So let's stick to talking about the public case I linked.

Morning

Journeyman Geek

... oh

@ShadowWizard 28 days this month

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog that's set by the system

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Isn't it possible for mods to specify a reason? What do you mean by "it's set by the system"?

8:07 AM

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oh thats right february is the scuffed month

Journeyman Geek

What you see is a default for the reason picked

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

user image

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch the month the Romans nibbled

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Doesn't it look like that?

Journeyman Geek

8:08 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog nope

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Is that old?

Journeyman Geek

Idk

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Can you please clarify what you mean?

Journeyman Geek

There's no suspension dialogue

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Wait, I found a newer post that says the public suspension reason is based on the reason that the moderator chooses for the canned template for the moderator message. Is that right?

Journeyman Geek

8:10 AM

A suspension is always part of a mod message and it's editable

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

If that's so, isn't it easy to just copy that canned template into another reason, so that a different public reason is shown?

Journeyman Geek

But there's an 'other' reason too

Ehhhhhhh

No real benefit

Less confusing for the peanut gallery?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek No need to publicly assert that the user violated a rule if the user is being suspended just to stop them from doing something. Results in confusion, e.g. here.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog quite frankly it's no business of anyone else's but the user and the mod/staff

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek In that case, I guess we're back to having the Streisand Effect again.

Journeyman Geek

8:14 AM

Nope. It's also you telling me how to be a mod

How do you know the user did/didn't violate any rules?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

12 mins ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard We as non-mods don't know if that's the reason. So let's stick to talking about the public case I linked.

Questioning mod suspension reasons in this way is a dangerous game you're playing with like half the information

remember mods don't air user's dirty laundry for the protection of the user on purpose

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

The "public case" in question was a user who was suspended 3 days for mass-unaccepting answers. The user in question brought it up publicly on their own.

Journeyman Geek

Ah. But then you would ask why 30 and not 3...

And there's literally a standard for self vandalism

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

There's no specific rule against mass-unaccepting answers, but it's disruptive enough to warrant suspension. The user said in their question, "I don't understand which rule I violated"

Journeyman Geek

8:18 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog science went too far

There's a simple, implicit rule on SE - you don't mess with people's rep

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Specifying the suspension reason as "rule violations" resulted in the user creating a public spectacle of themselves. If the reason had been specified as "to cool down" it's likely it wouldn't have happened.

Journeyman Geek

....

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I know you feel you know better but maybe you should actually consider that most folks who're mods kinda have been here a while. And most of the time people don't read into suspensions

You don't know what was said between the mods and users either

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek The user publicly posted the private message exchange between them and mods

Journeyman Geek

And that's his choice

But it's still not really a reflection of anything other than that one case

I'm sure there's a good many annoyances we haven't explicitly got rules against

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

26 mins ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

I understand that there are various causes where a user would need to be suspended, for which there is no specific rule that can be pointed to. E.g. this. But that's why the "cool down" reason exists.

8:27 AM

a lot of SE's rules aren't hard and fast and largely unspoken

I'm pretty sure "don't generate large scale disruption" is a rule, but I'm not sure its written down anywhere

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog let's say... You edited emoji into every single post you have ever made

Flooding the front page.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Magisch "You should 'cool down' and stop disrupting" would be my response to that

Journeyman Geek

I suspend you to cool down

You do it again...

Is that a cool down or a rules violation?

Rule #611: don't be a troll.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog hm. Not nice

8:29 AM

@ShadowWizard Wasn't that the unspoken rule #0?

@Asuna nope

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Sorry, clarified what I meant.

16 hours ago, by Shadow Wizard

People don't read, it's rule #0

Oooh

right

left

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

8:31 AM

@JourneymanGeek That would be a rules violation. There is an explicit rule that says one should listen to moderators and not repeat the same behavior for which you were suspended. But the first time, it should be "cool down".

So what you're arguing is that "to cool down" should be used unless it's an officially codified rule that was violated?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Magisch Yes

Sounds like an argument that should be made in a meta post

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Magisch No need. We already have a "cool down" reason.

That "reason" that shows up is automatically shown based on what mod message template was used.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

8:33 AM

23 mins ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

If that's so, isn't it easy to just copy that canned template into another reason, so that a different public reason is shown?

What I'm saying is, don't read too much into them.

you are arguing (demanding) that moderators change the way they action things

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog No. Not a possibility.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Magisch Not demanding. Where did I say "please do this from now on"? Just stating my opinion.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog now. It's none of your business if there was an actual rules violation

Or if I wanted the user to cool down

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

8:37 AM

Okay, I understand your opinions.

I and other users shouldn't read too much into the suspension reason.

Journeyman Geek

Please don't try to micromanage how we do things. While we have a certain level of accountability to the users... If you want to back seat moderate... It's going to get frustrating for all involved

Oh yay, another discussion about suspensions

grabbing popcorn

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Show's over

throwing popcorn on @Asuna

8:43 AM

@ShadowWizard starts throwing coffee at @Shadow

Okay, can we get a recap?

FOOD FIGHT!

4

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JohnDvorak Just read the transcript

.... this is disappointing .... Come on guys, where's my monday morning chaos? :D

trips the fire alarm for Tink

8:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell chucks cactus fruit

I've never tried eating cactus fruit, actually

@Tinkeringbell you really want some Monday drama?

@JohnDvorak I did, a lot, as a kid. We had lots of those in the fields around my village.

As adult I prefered to not have my hands full with those small thorns, lol

@ShadowWizard throws invisible pies at @ShadowWizard

invisible om nom nom

8:48 AM

@Derpy No, chaos. Not drama :)

catapults tinkering apples at @Tinkeringbell

chaos can be fun, drama never is :)

@Asuna fires banana guns :P

Really? Crumples Othello tickets

hides a beef grenade under @Tinkeringbell

gets the pepper spray!

8:50 AM

grabs an actual mace

@Tinkeringbell depends on the drama uwu

@Tinkeringbell gets citrus spray

uses a pan cover as a shield, grabs a big spoon to hold as a sword

makes a trashbag cape

@Tinkeringbell +0 AC, -5 charisma

@JohnDvorak I don't care, it looks fun!

I suppose it was advertised as a leather cap?

8:54 AM

@Tinkeringbell grabs a food forcefield try me uwu

@JohnDvorak No, why? It's a trashbag cape :)

@JohnDvorak -10 rep :p

@Tinkeringbell Banana Blast, the weapon was called Banana Blast. You should study more :P

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@Tinkeringbell how trashy!

@Asuna soon countered by a pity upvote

8:56 AM

@Asuna washes the forcefield away with some dishsoap

@JohnDvorak +1 ban ;p

Not my upvote...

@Tinkeringbell thanks, now it's shiny uwu

launches pumpkin at @Tinkeringbell

@Asuna error: disallowed text in the comment. If you like someone's post, just tell them what's good about it, not that you upvoted.

@JohnDvorak error: cannot comment while suspended

8:58 AM

@Asuna carves pumpkin, you're now under attack by halloween pumpkin minions

buying a vorpal sword

casts antimagic field on Tink's pumpkins

@Tinkeringbell launches module 99986, your pumpkins are killed

s/killed/dispersed/

Time to throw hot pumpkin soup over the wall!

9:01 AM

@Asuna those?

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I've been prepping for this day loads weaponized potato gun

@ShadowWizard awwww ♥️

@Tinkeringbell what wall? we're already inside

@Magisch tries to smash them with a tennis racket, now they're fries

@JohnDvorak s/dispersed/splattered everywhere

@Asuna correct, you're now stuck inside a giant jello

9:04 AM

@Magisch *brings out chocolate chip gun*

@Tinkeringbell liquifies jello Never use anything with liquid near anyone with water magic uwu

@Mithrandir It's super effective against dogs

warns Journey

Can water magic bend pure alcohol?

@Mithrandir brings out chocolate catapult you ain't got nothing on me uwu

@JohnDvorak yes.

How?

@Asuna turns up the oven, evaporates you :P

9:08 AM

@Tinkeringbell noice try, but no.

@JohnDvorak magic

@Tinkeringbell I'll just regen ice to cool down

Okay. Next food fight there will be no magic.

Food fight is over, here are your brooms, start cleaning up ;)

@Tinkeringbell B-but you started it!!!!

@Tinkeringbell that's how it goes when you try cooking me :squint:

@Asuna Oh, don't worry. We have kitchen shenanigans over here too, otherwise cooking it soo boring ;)

QUICK!! Run and hide and we'll leave @ShadowWizard with the work!!

IF THIS ROOM ISN'T CLEANED UP BY THE TIME A CM DROPS IN, YOU'RE ALL IN BIIIIG TROUBLE! :P

9:13 AM

@Tinkeringbell oh no!!! Not a CM!!!!

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What's that line with Smokey's shield?

What's that for?

Okay, Mith and the user script just volunteered for cleanup duty :P

@JohnDvorak status of different Smokey instances

9:15 AM

Thank you @Mith :D

@Asuna technically, for helping trash Smokey messages

Nice

@Mithrandir oh, cool

→ 1 message moved to Chimney

@Tinkeringbell done :P

@Mithrandir Typical teenager cleanup :P Move 1 thing and say you're done :P

5

9:17 AM

pffff

^ typical teenager thing too :P

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That can't be comfortable

@Tinkeringbell What else do you expect us to do with the mess YOU made?!?!

@JohnDvorak Signal strength, i.e. telepathic connection between @Mithrandir and Smokey. ;)

9:21 AM

@Tinkeringbell Typical adult thing :p

@ShadowWizard what are you implying here

@Tinkeringbell my 2 years baby girl love to clean things up even without being asked. Problem is, she cleans too much and for example we find clean clothes in the laundry bin. :D

They aren't clean then

@SmokeDetector that winter is coming! Quick! Everyone grab an umbrella! :D

This reminds me.... @Mith loooong time no pic! o_O

@JohnDvorak they were clean before being taken from the closet to the laundry bin.... O.o

@ShadowWizard actually, spring is coming

eventually xd

9:24 AM

@ShadowWizard *gesticulates at the weather*

@SmokeDetector We're implying you're rude!!!!!!!!111oneoneone

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oh shush xd

wrong spring xd

@Mithrandir there were tons of warm days!!1!! So, invalid excuse!!1!! :D

muddy though

i can't get out to the trails

9:25 AM

So you'll have some mud... boo hoo

:P

I was full with mud many times during army service... including one time we sank the whole mobile gun in the mud

(it's as big as a tank)

(just without armor)

Pfft. All it takes to unsink it is one magic muppet.

Try half day of 10+ people working hard to fix it... lol

"Weird Al" Yankovic - Yoda (HD)

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@Asuna spring not found. Did you mean Springsteen? Bruce Springsteen?

9:29 AM

Spring is here though... we had such nice weather this weekend (and today too!)

@Mithrandir thanks! See, wasn't that hard. :D

All sunny, no rain... a bit of freezing at night though.

@ShadowWizard I've got a few stocked up :p

@Tinkeringbell still doesn't mean it's spring, here 80% of the winter days are like that. lol

90% perhaps.

Sunny, no rain, just cold.

@Mithrandir oh. Cheating!! :D

So you stock them up for יום חורף סגריר, literally. :P

@ShadowWizard Not cold here :) No coat needed this weekend.

9:32 AM

Coat? What's that?

lol

@JourneymanGeek pardon but what is a "resident chaos monkey"?

I didn't use coat for..... .... umm.... years.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/324120/…

@ɪBᴜɢ think he meant you try to cause bugs on purpose. (for science, of course ;))

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

It remains cold here in Austin...

9:33 AM

@Mithrandir the sun just started coming over the horizon here uwu

@ShadowWizard I said I wanted it shaken, not stirred~

@Asuna can also be sunset. Can we know based on image only? :)

Yeah that's sunset, I'm never awake at sunrise

@ShadowWizard still

@Asuna shaken!

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@Mithrandir lazy boy

:D

Unless you go to sleep at 4 AM, in which case it's legit. :D

Well, time for me to catch up on Bad Lip Reading

9:37 AM

Lol

I'm awake at sunrise

a fast food restaurant sells these milkshakes here, they're really good, but one is 1500 kcal

I'm being awaken at sunrise, bit after

@Magisch O.O

I love pure ice cream shakes

But sunrise us at 7:59 atm xD

oh lol

Someone said ice cream? uwu

9:40 AM

@ShadowWizard usually 2

Now I want ice cream too.

I'm awake at sunrise, too

@Tinkeringbell Same xd I got some at home though uwu

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I don't... Ah well. For the better, I need to start exercising and stop snacking.

9:43 AM

UwU

@Tinkeringbell or you can come by :D

@JohnDvorak that :D

I don't like it

Why not? xd

It doesn't look like a face

@Asuna Perhaps, if I go cycling I might get enough exercise to justify some ice cream ;)

9:46 AM

@JohnDvorak it does

@ShadowWizard ^yeah. And then people on a diet drink 2 of those a day sometimes and don't count them because it's "just drinks"

OvO

@Tinkeringbell :D

@JohnDvorak did you mean: owo

Look at my face. Does my nose look like a w?

@JohnDvorak owl you glad you did that

9:48 AM

@Magisch that's priceless lol

Like those taking selfie on the brink of some chasm to have good view then wonder why they fall....

@JohnDvorak it's not the nose xd

status-Hummus-in-10-minutes

...?

status-kill-it-with-fire

no no

Fire isn't good for Hummus

Though it can be served warm

9:50 AM

Why would you eat dirt?

Hope the spicy sauce will be spicy today

@JohnDvorak because it's yummy

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The green stuff are ground hot peppers

Or should be lol

Is that a quinoa pizza?

@JohnDvorak nope, no relation to pizza

nvm. It's clearly a quinoa langosh.

Journeyman Geek

@ɪBᴜɢ more or less what shadow said

9:54 AM

@JohnDvorak why would you eat rare mushrooms?

:)

'cuz someone likes it

So who to blame for off topic question surviving 13 (!) hours?! :D

I blame @Tinkeringbell ;)

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