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2:18 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314611/…

Election news: Emacs.SE got a pulse-check to see whether they want an election, SoftRecs.SE went into nomination phase, DIY.SE is collecting questions, and Engineering.SE will get a special pro-tempore election

2:38 AM

If I start a new room with someone from their chat profile, will they get a notification in their inbox?

Also, is there a way to ping them prior to them entering room? Or is that not an option? What if they were made into a room owner?

@TravisJ afaik, the user will get a "chat invitation" notification

@TravisJ I don't think so. there's a specific requirement for a user to be pingable on chat, unless it's superping by mods

That's what my assumption was too, but I wasn't sure if it was changed at some point.

3:27 AM

Sorry I thought it was a site like Stack Overflow. Sorry. — 다크매터 2 mins ago

3:56 AM

In case someone wants to test Photography.SE's new theme...

Feeds

My bracket was busted in the first round; I had Massachusetts v. Connecticut in the final, probably in a case over who gets to annex Rhode Island.

4:23 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314615/…

@JonEricson Please delete it

4:54 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog what?

8 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

chaos-emerald-pls https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314571/re-ordering-deprecated-solutions‌-to-the-bottom (@rene)

Couldn't really see it..

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why ping a CM?

@ShadowWizard He was the one who closed the above linked question; just letting him know he should delete it as well. Normally I post "[delv-pls] 20k+".

Q: Prevent users from immediately deleting their accounts if they've made one post

5:28 AM

Why is this question receiving downvotes?

-1

I'm posting this following the discussion at Should we disallow users from immediately deleting their accounts if they've made one post?, which seems to be positive and generally in favor of doing this. I got reminded of this issue again because the same thing I mentioned in the other post happen...

6:42 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog because people disagree with the feature being requested there.

Really... why no one asks why their posts get upvoted instead...

Lolz

6:59 AM

@ShadowWizard Obviously I know that. I was asking, what could be potential reasons for disagreeing with it?

7:09 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh that I can't know...

According to the Magic 8-ball.... I have to consult with the Magic 8-ball... huh?

7:25 AM

@Somewhat Oh maaaaaan

I have days when I wonder if I get upvotes cause I'm brilliant, or I'm someone slightly internet famous, or I have an adorable dog avatar.

@JourneymanGeek Definitely the dog.

That's acceptable ;p

@JourneymanGeek you do get an upvote from me on SoftRec.SE election for having adorable dog :)

in other words: good luck for the e'lection!

Thanks ;p

Magisch

Now I have to gain a bunch of rep there to vote for you

7:44 AM

That is pretty cool that you can opt-in early to get the new design of the site. I tried it on Photography.

→ 60 messages moved to Chimney

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Is there any data about the significance of a blood serotonine level test and links to depression or other psychiatric diseases, or simply mood? ✏️ by An Dược on health.SE

9:18 AM

> Hello and welcome to Stack Overflow! [...]

on the body of an answer...

Quelle surprise

@Somewhat Oohhh.. how nice! :D

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Struggling with making an audience/public for an gladiator arena by Eric Freeman on blender.SE

> If you vote to reopen a question and it later gets closed again, you are not allowed to vote to reopen it again.

Does that mean if it doesn't get reopened, you get to vote to reopen twice?

yes

9:33 AM

:(

Causes stupid messes to clean up.

if your first vote ages away that is

@JohnDvorak Yeah, I can see that happened.

SEDE breakage?

@JohnDvorak No, a post on the site I mod :)

Showed up this morning as off-hold and edited by someone in the active, and I was like 'huh'?

user310756

9:59 AM

user310756

@Magisch 9.5 weeks and getting big :) she's so soft. Like a big cuddly toy

user310756

@rene the foal's hair is all growing back where it was patchy. (can't see it in this pic)

Good to hear. The foal seems to be doing great!

Magisch

10:35 AM

@YvetteColomb nice

11:01 AM

@YvetteColomb I got this one in the mail this morning:

That's how manatees sleep :D

11:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Struggling with making an audience/public for an gladiator arena by Eric Freeman on blender.SE

11:59 AM

What's the correct close reason for "is this code correct?", or are such questions on topic?
The MCVE reason seems the closest, but not quite right.

Bart

Got an example? Could be "unclear what you're asking" at a stretch ... as in "why are you asking us? Does it do what it should do? Doesn't it? If not, what does it do? etc."

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What do they do for a DOT physical? by Pester on meta.SE (@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog)

Q: Is this Knapsack-like algorithm correct?

0

I've implemented a simple algorithm for a Knapsack-like problem. I've searched other solutions in similar questions, but I cannot determine if my solution is complete for this specific problem. The problem: Write a function that takes a number a list of numbers. The function should retur...

c++ algorithm

Bart

Myeah, not entirely sure it should be closed. Or at least I can't come up with a convincing motivation. The question could be better, but still.

I feel like such questions just have fundamentally no future value. If they were to just ask how to do something, it would be useful to a whole bunch of people, and potentially many questions can be closed as duplicates, but this is too specific to the work OP has already done to really be useful to others. Although just asking how to do it becomes a "show your research" problem (enough research would often lead to figuring it out). Not really sure what algorithm questions should even look like.

12:12 PM

@Dukeling Maybe it's better for code-review (like the first comment suggests?) than SO?

@Tinkeringbell I doubt it. As far as I know, Code Review expects working code. This is specifically asking whether the code works, which very well might violate that. And it also isn't about reviewing every aspect of it (which would be more what Code Review wants), just about figuring out whether it works.

Code Review is for reviewing working code. I don't know if their scope include "fixing" code because there's an explicit close-reason for non-working code

@Somewhat Ah... so this code doesn't work?

:(

I kinda assumed that it did at least do something like was expected, or why else ask if you did it correctly or missed something ;)

Bart

I think what the OP is asking (or perhaps should be asking), is "My implementation works on the test set, but how can I confirm it fully solves the general problem" ... or something along those lines.

We don't really know if the code works for all cases. There are always edge cases/extreme cases that the OP may haven't found/tested

12:16 PM

True... I guess I read it the way Bart did, assuming that their code did 'work' but now they're asking if they missed something :)

If you post on code-review, is it expected you figured out your edge cases and tested them first?

@Tinkeringbell I think questions asking for regular reviews of code missing some edge cases could possibly be fine on Code Review, but not questions where you ask whether you missed some edge cases.

Ah. That makes sense.

I think Code Review also expects proper test cases to test if the code works or not, so if the code is working..... then there's nothing wrong with the code. It's more of[...] ninja'd

To put it simply, the questions seems asking for test cases that will fail the implementation...

Which... I don't know how algorithm copes with that...

Yeah.. I see it now, it's asking whether it's complete...

@Somewhat I don't think there are that many such questions for people to really have reached consensus on how to deal with it. Also, there probably aren't that many users active in the algorithm tag, since that's sometimes used very broadly (as in: this question involves a program) and often requires knowledge of a specific language to answer.

A: Finding the right complexity classes for functions

12:33 PM

stackoverflow.com/…

1

All your answers are correct, well done.

Also, I just realized how FUBAR the UI on that search... double tag infobox?

I believe I'm not the first one to find this bug...

Oh, that? Definitely too broad (9 questions is 8 too many). Also too localized. Possibly a duplicate of some canonical post about big-O.

If we're being particularly critical, we could possibly even close it for text-as-images.

Most of those appear to be about time complexity, which I'm inclined to say should all be duplicates. stackoverflow.com/questions/487258/… stackoverflow.com/questions/11032015/… stackoverflow.com/questions/3255/…

Although I still need to get around to writing that ULTIMATE "how to calculate time complexity" answer, which would make closing as duplicate a more justifiable action in most cases.

1:50 PM

@Somewhat yeah, MSE and MSO has plenty reports of that bug. I definitely duped a few

2:33 PM

@Dukeling always start your reasoning by answering the question, "what problem does this cause?"

Close reason, flag, etc follows

3:26 PM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314643/…

huh. OP has different gravatar on MSE and Math.SE...

This is a confusing bug report on MSO: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/373027/578411 I expected a Javascript error or a z-index problem but I can't repro in firefox or it must be that their error is handled in a different code path. I don't expect them to be Q-banned

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314644/…

3:51 PM

They should forbid browser plugins ...

...wait ....

user310756

4:13 PM

@Tinkeringbell in the post?

user310756

@rene and talking flowers

user310756

@Tinkeringbell oh it's a toy?

user310756

too confused.. will wait for the timezones to collide for a response

Nzall

I think I'm going to leave policy suggestions to the actual owners of SO. Meta echo chamber mass downvotes anything which even hints at reducing the experience for the regulars so new users actually might want to stick around more

@YvetteColomb No, that's a real manatee. It's sleeping :) at the zoo, my zookeeper brother took the picture :)

And 'mailed' it to me ... He actually just send a WhatsApp message ;)

user310756

4:29 PM

@Tinkeringbell ahhhhh lolol I thought it arrived by post! :) that explains a lot. I was thinking. Aren't they huge? How could you have one as a pet

user310756

@Nzall same, but more because I have no idea what to do.

@Tinkeringbell If your vote ages away, you can vote again 14 days after it ages away.

@Tinkeringbell My post?

@YvetteColomb Did you ever get the chance to met Telkitty earlier?

user310756

4:54 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog sure did and I even pinged you in here. You missed it :)

@YvetteColomb Message quote please?

user310756

Jul 31 at 8:27, by Yvette Colomb

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yay TelKitty coming up soon to stay and meet the horses :D

user310756

No response

user310756

I cried that night

@YvetteColomb Don't know how I missed that ping

@YvetteColomb Why is that?

user310756

4:56 PM

it's a joke, cos you did't reply

user310756

she's a good friend

@YvetteColomb Where's your farm again?

user310756

Australia

user310756

I should lie, then any stalkers will get confused

@YvetteColomb Maybe I might visit the next time I happen to visit Australia

user310756

4:59 PM

sure!

user310756

have you been here?

Just do the Paddington thing: "Australia. Darkest Australia."

user310756

huh? speak Aussie man

@YvetteColomb No, I haven't. Don't know if I'll ever.

user310756

God's country. Beautiful

user310756

5:01 PM

I started travelling overseas and couldn't find a beach as good as ours (I haven't travelled that much - but still)

@YvetteColomb uh... shuffles hurredly through English-to-Aussie dictionary

Out in the bush

Martin James

@Shog9 ?? You mean Queensland?

@YvetteColomb Travelled to Southern California by any chance?

'round the billabong

humping the bluey

user310756

new york and near there (cannot be bothered spelling it)

5:02 PM

wait, this isn't an english-to-aussie dictionary; it's just the lyrics to Waltzing Matilda

user310756

@Shog9 what on earth are you singing?

user310756

really?

user310756

dang nabbit

A lot of surfers travel to Australia during winter in the Northern Hemisphere, then in the opposite season travel here to San Diego

@YvetteColomb San Diego might compete

user310756

yep we have a big coast line

user310756

5:03 PM

I have a horse called Banjo - a Guy Fawkes Heritage brumby

user310756

speaking of aussie things

Martin James

@YvetteColomb You mean it has 17 different spellings because the native name has 37 noises that don't translate into English?

user310756

@MartinJames correct

user310756

have you heard a didgeridoo?

@YvetteColomb Let me guess...you had to transit in LA on the way there

user310756

5:05 PM

nope

user310756

but I hear california is very like here

user310756

from californians who come here

user310756

I flew via Japan

user310756

very clean place

user310756

we live 2 min drive to a lake, 5 min drive to surf beaches. Have some rainy forest type bush. Very lucky

5:09 PM

@YvetteColomb Ever been to Dubai, by any chance?

user310756

nope

@YvetteColomb India?

user310756

telkitty took this pic with her drone when she visited

@YvetteColomb Exact opposite of Australia, all desert

user310756

5:10 PM

@OptimusPrime nope. Dad is from Sri Lanka, does that count?

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yeh I wouldn't like it

@YvetteColomb Finally, how about NZ?

user310756

yep

user310756

New Zealand, also called Middle Earth?

5:12 PM

@YvetteColomb Only if he himself or his ancestor is a migrant from India

user310756

this is looking down at Telkitty and my cars at the horse paddocks

user310756

@OptimusPrime probably. I know Pierre Colomb came from France a billion years ago. And we have an assortment of ancestors. I'll tell you how I know

:-)

user310756

When Dad migrated here, Australia had a white australia policy. so he had to show he didn't have too much coloured blood! At that same time Aboriginals here weren't considered human beings (legally) and weren't issued birth or death certificates

updated my profile in Google Hof (Change : added goals)

user310756

5:14 PM

we have since applied the be nice policy to autralians

user310756

@OptimusPrime trillionaire

user310756

why shoot so low?

It doesn't count until the animals there are nice

user310756

@JohnDvorak animals are always nice. Even mother crocodiles try to protect their hatched babies

How about those non-vegan koalas?

user310756

5:16 PM

we have dutch ancestry and german. a but of a mixture tbh

@YvetteColomb nah. That's enough for me

user310756

you mean the ones that eat people?

@YvetteColomb every place in the world is same

Those, yes

user310756

@OptimusPrime a trillionaire in what currency?

user310756

5:16 PM

@JohnDvorak well they are kinda like unicorns :)

@YvetteColomb BTC

Drop bears with horns? 😳

user310756

we have amazing animals here. I regularly take pics of wallabies whenever I can for Rebecca (mod on pets)

user310756

@JohnDvorak ~~exactly~~

user310756

@OptimusPrime oh well that's ok then

5:18 PM

:)

user310756

I must go

user310756

it's late

user310756

and i have horses to pet tomorrow <3

@Shog9 What do you think about meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314617/…?

user310756

our foal is soooo soft, I rub my face on her fur

5:20 PM

feels like a duplicate

user310756

@Shog9 did you see my subtle hint in FBM?

yep

user310756

:D

one of those days where I really wish SQL supported regexp

@Shog9 Of a discussion post I made earlier, which I decided to make an FR out of?

user310756

5:27 PM

I have to go \o

user194636

nothing good ever came of using regex

medium.com/@gzanon/…

user310756

@PaulWhite you're up late. You always give me hope

user194636

the trick is to also get up late 😜

user310756

yes!

user310756

5:31 PM

I concentrate better at night

user194636

me too - fewer distractions

user194636

also congrats on latest PM

user194636

I assume he's still PM anyway

user194636

Scott Morrison, I think that's his name?

user310756

lol

user310756

5:32 PM

I didn't even know who he was. He was the treasurer. I avoid the news

user310756

dad reckons he'll be replaced with the next year.

user194636

Yes I expected the other guy to win

user194636

Julie Bishop would have been an interesting choice but she fell first IIRC

user194636

Female PMs both sides of the ditch

user310756

I liked Julia Gillard. I also like Malcolm Turbull and I'm a labor voter

5:34 PM

Or we could just delay deletion by 24 hours like we do for everyone else. That would be much, much simpler. — Shog9 ♦ May 4 at 15:51

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yep, that's why I remembered it.

@Shog9 I quoted you in the FR

user310756

I better go. I'm in the middle of something. And I will waste my staying up late and being tired for tomorrow time if I don't finish a few things

user194636

@YvetteColomb Yes I liked Julia too. G'nite!

user310756

\o

5:53 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog s/quoted/linked

6:34 PM

SOCVR roommeeting start in less then 30 minutes.

Hacking the Fax – Ground Breaking New Research in Cyber

7:59 PM

►

Fabby

@OptimusPrime Groovy!

8:25 PM

"what is the most upvotes any single post gained in a single day?" I'm so glad the resulting SEDE query led me to this answer...

Mysticial's branch prediction answer is in the top 10.

There's some gold in there. Pity some of it is off topic now.

issues delv-pls to get it removed

?

just carry on

8:42 PM

Alright, I found an explanation of that tag. You're just mean-spirited :P

I might be, yes. Or not.

lol

Is sonic sagar's new alias? He pesters Shog like sagar used to.

@canon I don't transform like he does.

So, two accounts then? :P

@canon Have you even bothered to check our accounts?

8:50 PM

I don't really need to in order to make my point.

@canon Who's the transformer who recently posted here? Check their account.

I get it. I'm telling you you're pestering Shog... incessantly. Like Sagar used to.

but with a smiley face: :P

@OptimusPrime Did you really?

Shog's 9 Rules of Pinging

Feb 4 at 19:49, 8 minutes total – 11 messages, 1 user, 9 stars

Bookmarked Mar 29 at 0:57 by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Jun 6 at 19:52, by Catija

Shog's already been through this a few times. He's been clear - specifically to Sonic - that if he minds the pings, he'll just ignore them. ... and he gave a long list of "rules" for pinging... At this point, I've decided that it's better to just ignore it and let Shog manage it himself. He's certainly been dealing with it for long enough at this point.

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314651/…

^^Voluntarily deleted.

9:25 PM

@Dukeling Yes. So much this. That is a major problem with the design of closure right now.

It is entirely possible to ask if an approach is just one tweak away, often getting an entire set of refactor answers. However, asking how to just properly approach the problem is absolutely hammered.

Or, just as often, it languishes as no one is "supposed to" answer it, not wanting to get into a meta argument in the comments of their answer. Eventually, sometimes, OP will return with whatever solution they ended up using, but it isn't really a collaboration, or even a community consensus. And yet, this will remain in the search results of google for others going forward. Less answers, less desirable solutions, for those which do remain.

10:20 PM

... why would github know which passwords I use in different services?

@TravisJ blog.github.com/…

lol that is absurd

Someone is hosting a service that stores passwords. Did no one stop for a second and think, "maybe this is a bad idea"?

There is a false assumption that the bcrypt would hold on a such a set. "517 million record dataset", essentially this would be the set to use in a brute force attack, reducing the efficiency of all passwords to just roughly worse than 6 numeric digits.

AFAIK the rationale is that these were all databases that were already available - so chances are, someone looking to brute-force passwords could already have it.

10:38 PM

Hm. I see, that is unfortunate. I guess I never really looked much into how bad the situation of people exposing passwords was. Luckily I rarely use anything good on services I don't care for, but still, the rampant disregard is astonishing.

"1.4 Billion Clear Text Credentials Discovered in a Single Database" medium.com/4iqdelvedeep/…

Ridiculous

I guess the only thing holding back hackers is their inability to brute force passwords nowadays.

11:00 PM

happy HOUR

A whole hour of happy? :)

At least I am at home for this one

(instead of the normal commute)