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8:01 PM

@SterlingArcher @Taryn Might have an opinion about that.

Sterling Archer

Only if the feets are blue

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@SterlingArcher Shots?

Shog9

...ok, this looks so much more professional than the bands of rubber mastic I've been using. I gotta learn this.

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All puns intended ;)

Sterling Archer

I can't find it but there's an adorable video of a dude holding a duck, and the camera pans down and 2 jealous ducks are pecking furiously at his jeans

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8:02 PM

LOL

@Mgetz Keep these going please, BTW:

> youtube.com/watch?v=IRlwaH4jNh8

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2 days ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Let's see...I changed my name to "Inclusive", Jeremy resigned as an SO mod (his username change was for unrelated reasons), Yvette and Mags anonymized their usernames (but Yvette later changed it back on SO only, while keeping her moderator privileges), and NH and TelKitty left the site. Is this all happening because of the inclusivity push, or are they all coincidences?

Have their been any cases where a former staff member went on to delete their account?

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm confused as to what in the price of tea in Nepal that has to do with cable lacing...?

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The inclusive name change was just lame, and didn't match the core of the problem, sorry.

@Mgetz Prayer Mills

Princess Luna

@πάνταῥεῖ Some of it's a direct result, some of it's indirect.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ still extremely lost

Bart

8:08 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no idea. There are rumours that those who "leave" generally are just kept in a basement before they can delete anything.

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@Mgetz That's when we start to draw for mantras ...

Shog9

I'd say there's a pretty good chance those of us who theoretically would've had to clean up the mess wouldn't be in any hurry to talk about such events if they were ever to occur.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ practices the ancient and noble art of smile and nod

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LOL, you don't really have to. Ask me anything, you're very welcome! (@Mgetz as well as anyone else)

:3

Bart

:p

Mgetz

8:24 PM

@Bart I wouldn't be surprised if they have to sign an agreement on this. It's why I'm not a fan of mixing work and personal accounts on things.

It's just easier if my personal account never has privilege in the first place

Bart

Ah yeah, I never have work accounts which are also personal accounts. That way I can just close the door behind me and be done.

Sterling Archer

That's why I recently removed personal data from my stack accounts

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Wikimedia employees did. Then the Wikipedia community forced WMF to adopt separate work and non-work accounts for employees.

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@Mgetz I ever kept these well synchronized. People know me. They ask me about my opinions, be it work or other stuff. Some like my humor, very many don't, because I tend to be blunt. Anyways, I'd like to keep my personal integrity with any of my online accounts (even with the socks I've been running at Stack Exchange)

Kevin B

meh. i dunno. I prefer to keep the same account as to not have to deal with switching

but i also routinely need to access work related content/accounts while not at work

Mgetz

8:30 PM

@KevinB This gets really problematic when an employee leaves and has company private info in a personal account... usually it ends badly for both parties

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

tl;dr: there was a feature that the community wanted disabled, and there was widespread community support to disable it, but WMF declined the change. Then, a local admin edited one of the site interface pages to disable it. The edit was reverted by a WMF employee. This actually happened twice, on both the English and German Wikipedias.

The controversy on the English Wikipedia was that the employee reverting their edit was also a WMF employee, and it was hard for the community to tell if they were acting as an employee or as a local admin.

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@Sonic You're going out of scope, slightly ...

Kevin B

i mean... what problem does that cause? I can understand problems related to gaining access to the things that account had access to, but when it comes to private data, said user was already privileged to see it anyway, they could have moved out before termination.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Media Viewer RfC

Case opened on 03:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC) Case Suspended by motion on 23:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC) Case closed on 00:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC) Do not edit this page unless you are an arbitrator or clerk, or you are adding yourself as a party to this case. Statements on this page are copies of the statements submitted in the original request to arbitrate this dispute, and serve as verbatim copies; therefore, they may not be edited or removed. (However, lengthy statements may be truncated – in which case the full statement will be copied to the talk page. Statements by uninvolved editors during the...

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Content, not personalities!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:35 PM

> The Wikimedia Foundation is requested to do away with "grandfather rights" regarding personal and official accounts of staff members, and to instead require all staff members to use accounts with a personally identifiable name with "WMF" appended when acting on-wiki in their capacity as staff. We ask them to extend this courtesy in order to reduce confusion regarding when our users are dealing with a fellow member of the community or a representative of the Foundation.

> Staff accounts, their actions, and their user rights or permissions shall be under the sole jurisdiction of the Foundation. Personal accounts of staff members shall be considered members of the community and shall be treated as such, including access to user rights or advanced permissions.

> While the English Wikipedia cannot make a binding decision on this matter we believe it is evident that making this change will ease communication and improve general relations between our project and the Foundation and we further believe the Foundation can institute this minor change with little to no disruption of their activities, and we further ask that they consider making this a requirement not just here but at all WMF projects.

Mgetz

@KevinB but they are not privileged to continue seeing it or accessing it after leaving and could be at legal risk to continue seeing it

Kevin B

As an example, most of the services we use are set up using an official email address, however, when it comes to things like facebook, instagram, google tools, etc, they're usually linked to personal accounts instead because you can relatively easily change ownership of those things if the need arises.

Mgetz

@KevinB I can think of a few cases where this resulted in companies going to court to reclaim accounts that people were using.

Bart

@KevinB even for those I set up new accounts.

Mgetz

TLDR this is why SSO and provisioned accounts are so important

Kevin B

8:42 PM

basically... i don't disagree that there could be possible issues... and definitely worth considering on large scale operations, but i'm certainly glad i don't have to deal with switching between accounts constantly.

Bart

Yay, I love games having massive patches at the exact moment when I finally have time to play them.

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@Bart You're suddenly lose all the cool aid packs :-P

Mgetz

@Bart which game?

Bart

A bit of Overwatch when I have the time.

Mgetz

@Bart Y'all need to do an SE Overwatch team

canon

9:10 PM

hmm... raised a custom flag on an answer that didn't really attempt to answer the question. It might have looked like an answer to a casual observer; so, I opted for custom over NAA. Alas... "declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer"

Shog9

May 10 at 18:19, by Shog9

@canon I'd probably reject it as written, but... I think you could make an effective argument for it not being an answer.

canon

I know

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@canon Concrete example?

Shog9

Was my faith in you misplaced?

canon

apparently I didn't make a compelling argument

Shog9

9:12 PM

:(

canon

that and the user actually took my advice in the interim period and updated their answer

@πάνταῥεῖ stackoverflow.com/revisions/49997447/1

Shog9

ah, well, that's not so bad

Kevin B

i remember seeing that answer

Shog9

canon did link to it here before

it's still confusing as heck, but at least it kinda makes sense now?

Kevin B

ah, yeah, that's right

canon

9:14 PM

I don't know... it's a marginally better turd which now fits the "this qualifies as an answer" caliper

Shog9

I donno. I guess I don't care if it sits at the bottom of the list

canon

I know, I know #safespace. Sorry.

Shog9

confused

canon

"turd" is inflammatory

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@shog The discussion certainly isn't about wikipedia, but how content should evolve at SE sites (FAQ format still is a thing, no?)

Shog9

9:19 PM

you're like the master of the non sequitur

canon

let me pop that name into google translator real quick...

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@Shog9 I dunno :-P

canon

that did not help

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< youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ

canon

Heraclitus, there we go... "everything flows"

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9:21 PM

Said so ...

canon

@Shog9 It's my problem, really. My contributions have fallen off; so, my time is largely spent curating what I've already written... and fending off pigeons with a large plastic rake.

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@canon To be precise, it's: "You can't tip your toe twice into the very same stream."

canon

@πάνταῥεῖ ah

telkitty left? I need a starred message feed on the SE mobile app.

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Even worse, I believe she was forced to :-/

canon

... by the gestapo?

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9:26 PM

The bad pic p'lice I'd rather call 'em!

Shog9

I'll bet it was the chickens. A feathery revolution!

Bart

A ... coop?

3

Shog9

claps

Catija

This network has a problem... there's just puns everywhere.

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@canon Though I am german, I learned not to react about these trigger wordings anymore!

@Catija So easy to read!

canon

9:29 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ Why? When we use the word "gestapo" to refer to facist policing, is that offensive to Germans in general?

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@Catija Just keep the prayer wheels running!

canon

Or is that just part of the cultural embarrassment over Naziism?

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@canon Some feel like that. I personally don't feel offended anymore.

canon

@πάνταῥεῖ but you did at some point?

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@canon When my father died.

Decades ago now.

canon

9:33 PM

I feel like you're insinuating that your father died at the hands of the Gestapo... but I'd rather not assume that.

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Interwebz communication was way future that point of time.

canon

My layover in Frankfurt earlier this year was a bit of a bummer. Everyone spoke English and we ate at an Italian restaurant. /boggle

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@canon My father was an innocent "Wehrmachts-Offizier", my mother was at a leading position at the "Bund Deutscher Mädel."

//shrug

I personally tend to fight any kind of fascism as soon I smell it raising it's ugly head. No mercy for fascists!

canon

slowly turns to Yvette

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Kevin B

?

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9:39 PM

Can't really believe. She's gotta even more background as an aussie (real) native.

canon

Australia is a prison colony. The Crown was trying to make Sardaukar.

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R.E.M. - Shiny Happy People (Official Music Video)

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I really <3 that song ;-)

@canon I don't believe the natives there ever considered it being that.

canon

Everything is either poisonous, venomous, or an apex predator. Survival there might as well be the agōgē.

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I am in the very lucky situation of being a native bavarian, but having a migration background.

canon

You are now immortalized in my mind as a doughnut.

A migratory doughnut... so, you have wings.

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9:47 PM

@canon Along with the cup of coffee?

canon

@πάνταῥεῖ At this point it should probably be a stout... but I'm not sure what time it is by you... or whether there's a "day-drinking" social stigma in Germany. ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Jobs

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23:49 TwentythreeHundredFortyNine

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A: How do i write the following years?

You probably mean the exception, when it is usual to say "Fünfzehnhundertzweiundfünfzig" for 1552, instead of "Eintausendfünfhundertzweiundfünfzig" when used in the context of a particular dates year. That's kind of a short form for "Im Jahr(e) Eintausendfünfhundertzweiundfünfzig" and comes from...

@canon all kinda "substances" and "drugs" it is ;-)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@πάνταῥεῖ You should watch that video too

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I ever wanted to explore about my feelings, while knocking the consciousness out. Rarely works.

:-/

@Sonic Yawn!

Gosh! This isn't sesame street Kindergarten!

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