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Journeyman Geek

12:25 AM

Lol

I know the feeling

Also chat moderation is hard.

1 hour later…

1:27 AM

ugh, morning...

1 hour later…

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:36 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310133/…

2:48 AM

Come to think of it, I just realized I also received many emails for change of ToS due to GDPR...

5 emails. Not that many, but okay.

3:44 AM

@Shog9 oh, right, that certainly works better!

@Shog9 wow, that's actually nice, much much more than what I expected

@Shog9 hmm what's this number?

@GaurangTandon me using chat as a convenient scratchpad

@Shog9 :P

@Shog9 does this count include those cases where the first reopen vote was binding?

@GaurangTandon yup

(read down)

oh nice!

thanks! :D

4:39 AM

Hmm… so I’m signing a contract for an internship and it includes an arbitration clause.

Luckily for me, they don’t know that I’m not 18 so the paperwork doesn’t matter.

4:52 AM

Apparently I’m supposed to list every “invention” I’ve made, as well as disclose to the company every “invention” I make, up to a year after the end date, where an “invention” includes any idea or piece of information.

Be careful that you aren't guilty of defraudation

I never implied or stated my age.

Please help. Should I do the right thing, or the quick thing? The right thing is to take a screenshot and send it to my phone via bluetooth. The quick thing involves pointing my camera to a computer screen.

The right thing, of course.

Actually... the right thing would be to type the relevant information over a virtual keyboard into a notepad.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:06 AM

@JohnDvorak The latter isn't the actual data on the screen - it's a representation of how your phone's camera sees your computer screen, which in turn is a representation of the actual visual data.

That's good enough for human OCR

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

But in all seriousness, I've set up OneDrive so that every time I press PrtSc it uploads a screenshot to OneDrive, and my phone is set up to sync the screenshots folder from OneDrive offline

I usually just upload screenshots to something like Slack.

OneDrive came pre-packaged with my laptop. To this day it bears the grim record of every time I meant to press backspace and didn't. And that's all there is.

I like the idea though.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JohnDvorak I have a grandfathered 25 GB account because I created my account back in 2010

5:12 AM

Nice. Mostly unused, I guess?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

No, I use it quite a bit. I've got Office 365 which adds an extra 1 TB to my allowance. I mostly use Microsoft online services rather than Google services.

in Sonic's Den, 15 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow I discovered a loophole in Alaska Airlines Wi-Fi that allows me free access to Wi-Fi. However, it's super slow, and none of the chat rooms will load in desktop view.

in Sonic's Den, 15 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I got this one to load because it doesn't need to back-load messages very much, and I'm using Developer Tools to force the mobile view

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6:56 AM

@JohnDvorak old school....

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sd tpu-

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7:24 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

7:35 AM

Promising title, disappointing question ...

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7:52 AM

We are sensitive about possible ageisms, man we're getting old :-D

Corrected meta.stackexchange.com/posts/310136/revisions

@πάνταῥεῖ we certainly are ...

YOU INVALIDATED MY COMMENT!

πάντα ῥεῖ

:-D

Most of my comments are invalidated anyway ...

Comment privileges of flowers are revoked

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I don't know what's more annoying, bearing annoying comments, or make commenters so much annoyed, so they'll simply will give up in the end :3

No puns intended above ;)

8:28 AM

Looks like @AdamLear can't sleep ... ?

Let me know if you need a little lullaby ...

Ha, I'm good. Thanks. ;)

Yw ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:45 AM

sd tpu-

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9:02 AM

@Adam Well, if you'd left the bug tag there, the question could be marked status-by-design :-/

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9:25 AM

sd tpu-

sd fp-

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9:54 AM

sd tpu-

le sigh on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/a/310143/158100

Journeyman Geek

@rene he's a troll. Piling on the RA flags would be nice

are we supposed to greet each other with the wakanda greeting?

分かんだ (wakanda, I dunno)

10:09 AM

@πάνταῥεῖ you better not feed that ....

just don't

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That was too tempting, sorry :-/

I know, i know. Just be strong ...

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And also serves as good hint for a close vote.

need moar close reason

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Not really.

10:13 AM

oh, that's just my way to troll back a stroller

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One thing I had at mind with my first comment was Better call Saul :3

we can delete vote now

some redflags here?

> Thanks for the feedback! Votes cast by those less than 20,000 reputation are recorded, but do not change the status of the post.

@rene poof

let's see who get bored first ...

they picked up a badge for editing their deleted answer ...

10:21 AM

I'm bored now, so let me join in flagging 'em ...

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s/Sunday/Saturday: youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8

new one here

πάντα ῥεῖ

Sigh

are you bored already?

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Does my avatar making me look like that?

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:49 AM

sd k

2 hours later…

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12:21 PM

Wow! I am able to make users happy with my comments about close votes: codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/194249/…

Proof that you can maintain the site's quality while being welcoming? :)

@πάνταῥεῖ direct them to programmers

it's what they are looking for

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I am not so sure, at least not for the current form of the question.

I was just looking at your response, I literally just woke up and haven't even had tea yet

Anyway, my strategy of starting a comment with "Sorry, ..." seems... there's a study/physological effect behind it? It makes OP feeling guilty due to the community apologizing?

12:25 PM

Thanks but I'm a tea drinker

:p

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@Mgetz I am a beer drinker. Hops calms you down a lot ;)

@πάνταῥεῖ too much and your drinking spice bread though

πάντα ῥεῖ

?

hops

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12:32 PM

Ah hops, yes :)

sd fp-

@hey Robert Harvey is a grandmaster of doing that at the SE Software Engineers BTW.

12:50 PM

I think Izzy on Android.SE and SoftRec.SE also, based on my observation.

I've been trying on SO as well

just commenting and close voting instead of voting down

in quite a few cases they've either fixed it or deleted the question

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@hey I'm not lurking there ;)

@Mgetz Way harder. More in the public. Shitstorms are on disclaimer :-P

@πάνταῥεῖ every tiny bit helps, that said reddit will always hate us

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That's probably opinion based :3

@πάνταῥεῖ on which side ;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

12:54 PM

hops!

1:08 PM

Lately I've been listening to Jordan Peterson...

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Did they say something useful?

@πάνταῥεῖ Judy Hopps? :p

@hey You won't get much sense out of Aussie cricketers.

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@PrincessLuna No hops, like in beer. Interestingly it seems to be in a plant family with cannabis sativa.

At least the smell is similar.

oh

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1:14 PM

@PrincessLuna But that's extraordinarily cute, yes.

> In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. -- The Guardian, YouTube video

@πάνταῥεῖ :D

The movie is really nice too :D

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That's the @TelKitty approach to get calmed, yes:

Cat Chilling Out With Chicks In A Basket

@πάνταῥεῖ food.. bed.. seems interchangeable in this case

πάντα ῥεῖ

What else should a hobo need?

I consider myself as a digital hobo so far.

At which point @TelKitty changed her nick?

Or even left??

1:34 PM

2 days ago, by user202362

Weird, I tried the link on chrome/firefox & IE across windows and mac, all worked fine for me @hey @PrincessLuna

Deleted @πάνταῥεῖ

No clue why though

Trashed by an RO due to request

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That was a harmless pic, as it turned out in the end? Completely SFW, stated otherwise of course.

Please stop that madness!

:/

without context, it's non-offensive. Labelled with some users.... that's a new question

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ eh,if not for the fact that it mentioned specific users and was off colour and....

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1:40 PM

Madness

Journeyman Geek

and so, literally "Please don't do that" is as far as I want to go

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I understood that well, we're not bots though.

/shrug

user359686

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@πάνταῥεῖ [ ZoeBot ] Debatable. :p

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1:43 PM

@PrincessCelestia Sure! That's why I said "hops".

user359686

@πάνταῥεῖ How can I //help?

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@PrincessCelestia Not that much right now dear.

user359686

@πάνταῥεῖ How can I //help?

@PrincessLuna based on the video ID, I feel some suspicions...

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@Princesses poof

1:45 PM

@hey About what? :3

@πάνταῥεῖ :D

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sd No, definitiely no. I'm not going to track into this course!

@SmokeDetector k

What exactly distinguishes spam fighters from "foo fighters"?

@hey Fine, how about this?

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> youtube.com/watch?v=ifwc5xgI3QM

2:00 PM

@PrincessLuna wut?

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wut?

> youtube.com/watch?v=e-dwfaIQz8U

@hey :D

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Too synthetic for my taste, but well I got you probably.

12

A: Feature Request: Requesting Answers From Specific Users

Look at it from the other direction. While this might seem amazing for users who really need specific help it'd be a nightmare for the really high-reputation users on individual sites. I don't use Quora so I don't know how things work there but I know how things are here and I know that there's ...

You can immediately tell @Cat wrote this

Oh, hey @Cat, look! Bennett wrote an answer on meta.Chem

Journeyman Geek

lol

Ya, some folks have super specific writing styles.

2:07 PM

0

A: Close Votes Aren't Super Downvotes

I have an idea but unfortunately it would probably require a significant change in the StackExchange UI. But I would say: Only close a question if multiple moderators separately and independently (without seeing each other's actions) vote to close it for that reason. In the first place, if mult...

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Of course, there's the user label beneath it.

Journeyman Geek

Or spelling misteaks

@JourneymanGeek I know your writing style, mister lack of vitamin apostrophe

@SmokeDetector N maybe

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ how? Is the way I write that obvious?

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@SmokeDetector tpu-

2:09 PM

@Catija yeah, which is not a bad thing

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ?

@Catija chemistry.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4235/… .

I think (or feel) some also know (or realize) my writing style?

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@Catija All, fine.

@hey nah, you're too obscure. Also, haven't read many of your posts. Mostly, you're obscure

2:11 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Ha. :) Bennett is much better with written English than spoken.

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@dalijap One thing that keeps me one step ahead what KI can do better beyond my job, is I my attitude, that I am the one to tell it how 😬

Tweeted by GntherMakulik on May 12, 2018 at 12:15 PM in reply to dalijap

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ (dunno whether to feel happy or not)

@hey people tend to celebrate anonymity on the internet

I guess I have to be careful when writing from one of my sock accounts, then.

Which means no one would find out they're aliens trying to understand human brain so they could come and turn it into an energy source

2:13 PM

funny that I mostly don't care if someone digging my info... I mean, who am I even in real world...

@hey gotcha, alien

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@hey Just who you are. Nuff said.

I am me.

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Same same, but different.

I == me.

2:14 PM

@hey nice try, but you're still solving a Captcha

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Don't bother with trolls like @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ

sd tp-

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Yes, I'm still trying to solve a Captcha. Now, where is the text box.... I only see a check box, nope, not that...

@hey that's the captcha

@SmokeDetector K

2:39 PM

I've forgotten how to make a (hyperlink)[www.facebook.com].

@ahorn [hyperlink](https://www.facebook.com)

Here it is: [hyperlink](www.facebook.com).

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Freie Anarchisten

I don't understand what I'm doing [wrong](www.google.com)

[Text](https://example.com "Hint")

@ahorn It has to include http or https

2:42 PM

waffles

@ahorn waffles

Oh.

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Yummy waffles.

-1, it's waffles

You used the [[waffles]] tag

2:53 PM

walfas

And I don't quite know how to hyperlink a tag like that.

[tag:like-this]

status-hey-is-correct

waffles - thanks!

There's chickens in my yard.

user image

3

3:07 PM

@Catija The foreground chook seems to have two heads:)

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3:43 PM

@MartinJames Wears red frills at the a**, what do you think?

4:07 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ "Hey, Colonel!"

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:-)

@Martin I am with Witwe Bolte. Big fan of her ;-)

@πάνταῥεῖ lol, OK, next time I'm there, I will visit her.

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4:29 PM

Max and Moritz were the 1st trolls identified before teh interwebz even existed.

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:39 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

How do I find the feedback history of a post, if it was reported during a period of metasmoke downtime?

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Seems like it's trying to look on stackoverflow.com, rather than ja.stackoverflow.com. Here's a working link: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/119321

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector fp-

@Makyen I changed the feedback

@NobodyNada Filed a bug ticket for Smokey: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/2161

6:39 PM

@Catija omg I was 100% sure the pic was from @Telkitty... hey, what happened to her?? Not pingable.. ??

huh? No TelKitty? searching

@ShadowWizard Account's deleted here on Meta

oh, so she finally did it?

Huh?

She always said she wants to quit but can't make herself do it.

Anyone using the iOS app?

6:41 PM

@Catija android, though "using" isn't really accurate. Why?

For some reason the achievements and inbox won't load.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I suspect something's amiss here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310161/…

@Catija They load for me in the Android app

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Answer nuked

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Android != iOS

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@PrincessLuna Never saw an answer

That's OK, it's been dealt with by Chaos Emeralds

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog There's a # with an ID which usually means an answer

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:46 PM

@PrincessLuna Does the Android app use a different API to load them than the iOS app?

@PrincessLuna That ID happens to be the same as the question ID; it shows up because I loaded an edit

There are a lot of other places apps can break than the API

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh

@PrincessLuna both use same API though

41 secs ago, by Princess Luna

There are a lot of other places apps can break than the API

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it's dupe of more, yeah.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard You still have Chaos Emeralds to use

6:48 PM

but mainly what I chose

@PrincessLuna nope, not in such format. The ID is the question ID, @Sonic got some userscript/plugin/whatever adding it for some reason.

That's not a link we have anywhere in SE.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Why was I retroactively pinged for all those messages?

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog retroactively?

^

Ping happens when editing chat message with a ping too, if that's what you mean.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Yeah, for some reason it showed me as having pending pings for messages posted before I posted some; normally it gets cleared when I send a message

6:51 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog edits, probably

So new pings are created

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard I clicked the number next to my picture and it highlighted non-edited, old messages.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh. No idea then...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard SOUP perhaps

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog seriously now, please stop posting that comment of your on duplicate questions. It's intimidating and cause people to think duplicates are bad and to delete them. So I ask you, please stop.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Okay, I'll stop.

6:53 PM

Guess I can stop closing so fast, if that's what is needed to make you stop.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Instant dupe closures come across as not nice to a lot of people.

In fact, a moderator on Travel explicitly avoids doing them.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yeah, no option to "load an edit" in SE.

(whatever it means)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard "an edit has been made to this post; click to load" shows up even without any user script.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh

wait, so clicking it cause the ID to appear like that?? Will have to check.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Maybe it only appears with SOUP

6:57 PM

yeah

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow @Catija @PrincessLuna What's your opinion on my experiment proposal here? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/367719/…

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog will be hard to get reliable data about it, IMO. But even if data shows users really vote "better" when there are no details, is this really a good thing to hide the details? I'm not sure.

If it's randomly inferred it would just create a ton of bug posts

@PrincessLuna nah, A/B tests are common on SO, most go unnoticed.

e.g. orange/blue color for Jobs ad

@ShadowWizard I think users would notice if profile info suddenly disappeared

7:10 PM

eh, some would

but enough for it to skew the results?

7:50 PM

Apologies for the Stack Exchange API throwing errors with inbox, notification, and achievement routes this morning. A fix was just deployed and error rates have returned to near 0 again.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on May 12, 2018 at 7:41 PM

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:03 PM

Is Ano2 back? meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/57788

1 hour ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow @Catija @PrincessLuna What's your opinion on my experiment proposal here? https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/367719/experiment-request-temporarily-s‌top-showing-characteristics-about-a-user-in-the

@Mithrandir What do you think of that?

Meh.

Kinda defeats the purpose of badges.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Mithrandir What do you mean?

The point of having badges is to show them off - they're the digital equivalent of a trophy showcase. You want to show people your showcase, not hide it away behind a curtain so that nobody notices. Badges are supposed to be shown off.

Hiding them, therefore, defeats the purpose of having them.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Mithrandir Did you even read the reasons behind the request, or the full question?

Nope. I'm kinda busy at the moment.

*reads*

see if users in the control group are more likely to downvote or not upvote posts because they were posted by a new user.

- that seems like it'd be a bit hard to measure.

Anyway... still meh.

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Félix Gagnon-Grenier

10:11 PM

I'd stand behind total anonymous posting of everyone everywhere for a few weeks.

not a single avatar, randomized ids in place of user names

10:24 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog nah, that's a minor edit.

@FélixGagnon-Grenier better redirect to Quora and be done with it.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

?

I mean, we still keep everything SO. we just take every information about posters out of the picture

Journeyman Geek

I was half jokingly suggesting this, and gravatars for everyone

10:41 PM

@FélixGagnon-Grenier well, SO is those things.

Take them away, and it's not SO anymore.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@ShadowWizard well then, everything SO, less that :) I don't think that amounts to quora, but I don't really know quora

It's Quora, or whatever other Q&A site.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

they have flags, reviews, comments, meta, and all that?

@FélixGagnon-Grenier me too, just throwing most famous other Q&A site. :)

@FélixGagnon-Grenier all except meta, I think.

IMO meta is unique to SE.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

.... I don't think there are reviews on Quora, are there?

10:43 PM

Other sites have some crappy "support forums" with zero ability to suggest changes.

@FélixGagnon-Grenier hmm... good question.

But who'll review when there's no point in having badges?

Hiding badges is same as removing them, review rate will drop in at least 90%, probably much more.

Only the really "hardcore" users will keep reviewing.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard that said, what keeps people reviewing after they get badges?

@JourneymanGeek those are the hard core... but I believe that most reviews are done by those who still don't have the gold review badge.

Maybe I'm wrong... still... that's how it feels to me, and lack of badges will have tons of other negative effects, not only reviews.

Journeyman Geek

I guess the question is - can you really game, if you can't see the other players

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

11:00 PM

@ShadowWizard I... am really interested to know how you can tell that with such certainty ;)

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