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2:39 AM
Hello! short question: can the moderators IP ban an anon user who repeatedly keeps suggesting edits that have been rejected like more than twice?
 
Other than being bad edits, is there anything wrong with them? Are they abusive or spam?
 
no, not abusive. they're good intentioned, but they're just bad and worth rejection
 
I don't see why we would IP ban someone for that. That seems very extreme... and, I'm not sure that we could.
 
Hmm, okay, I was just asking. Yeah, you're right it's probably extreme. I'll just post a comment below that post instead, asking the anon user to stop, i guess that's better?
 
hey
ugh, morning with terror
 
2:48 AM
woah, sorry @hey, I didn't intend to cause terror :(
 
@GaurangTandon Link?
 
hey
@GaurangTandon nah, not you :)
3 bomb blasts at 3 different churches >_<
 
@Catija and - I find it really surprising - but as we speak, this is the fourth occurrence occurred just now chemistry.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/80597
@hey oh! that's really bad :(
 
You could try a comment... something generic like "Attention, editors, we do not use mathjax in question titles here as it messes up search." Whether they'll see it or not is... meh.
 
2:54 AM
Right, I guess I was unnecessarily worried over a small issue. Thanks @Catija :)
 
If it continues, you could flag it for the mods to look into but... I don't know that there's anything that can be done about it since they're anonymous... there's no way to mod message them to tell them that it's not OK in titles...
But, hey! Free suggested edit reviews are fun. :D
 
@Catija more progress towards to the gold badge, so yay! :D
@Catija hmm, alright
 
hey
errh, [food-identification] HNQ is bad when you're currently hungry... >_<
 
3:30 AM
Just FYI, SO chat is down
3
 
hey
> Runtime error
Too heavy on moderation -_-
 
soitis
the error page is down too
 
hey
Did someone plug the UPS to itself again...
 
I blame Nick Craver. He's building Lego Star Wars instead of fixing this.
 
3:56 AM
SE chat is down now
2
No devs around...
 
Question templates obviously don't help a lot:
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@Taryn you there? (most recently active I can see)
 
chat.SO died first. chat.SE went down a few minutes later. Wonder if here is next.
 
hey
It's already more than half population of SE's whole chat?
 
4:06 AM
@quartata did you see my Keybase messages?
 
No I'm not on Keybase at the moment
Post tracebacks here, I don't think people will mind
 
TL;DR I got it working chatless
I'll try and get a copy working in here
 
Here and Fire Department would be nice. Use a rooms_custom.yml so you don't mess up with the Git
 
hey
No FUBAR feed until now...
 
Be sure to copy the privileges!!
Add yourself while you're at it
@NobodyNada
 
4:09 AM
Will do
 
hey
Someone probably need to nudge staff on Twitter
 
@quartata I'm not worried about screwing up Git, on a fresh clone anyway
 
Modifying rooms.yml will
Because it will be uncommitted changes
 
will Smokey care? I'm on a fresh clone, I don't mind nuking it once this is over
 
4:12 AM
For blacklisting
 
If the profile description is true ^^
 
@quartata OK...I'll fix that if I get Smokey working at all
 
hey
> You don't have to do anything. Users and moderators are not legally responsible for underage users and are under no obligation to report them to us. If out of concern you would like to report it, send us a report via our contact form and we will take action.
 
@hey Is that what you are said?
 
@NogShine "hash browns" sounds weird for an 11 year old :-/
 
hey
4:14 AM
@NogShine from FAQ. I was also surprised that it's stated like that...
 
I can't edit the rooms.yml on my heroku from mobile :/
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't know what it is. Don't children like that dish?
 
Should they? Drugs and children usually don't go well.
 
@NogShine People of all ages like hash browns, although I imagine that was a snide remark about a different kind of hash
anyways I'm pretty sure SE team is aware about chat since I'm seeing activity on /users
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Oooooh! I was shown a potato dish when I googled. :P
 
4:19 AM
@NogShine yes that's what hash browns are. "hash" can be slang for hashish however
 
May be I confused that with hash brownies
 
Pretty sure it means the former
@πάνταῥεῖ yes, that is different
 
The CMs still need to add in the reason why the age limit is 16 in the EU.
(This user claims to be in the U.S., so it doesn't matter here)
 
Age limit in the US is 13 whatsoever
 
@NobodyNada any luck?
 
4:23 AM
@quartata Nope
Will continue trying
 
I've still got the chatless one -- I'll post links if anything comes up
 
Came here to say this
 
@NobodyNada what are the errors
 
chat.meta.stackexchange.com is still up. — Makyen 3 mins ago
 
4:25 AM
@quartata Same thing
[21:24:47] ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'login?returnurl=http%3a%2f%2fchat.meta.stackexchange.com%2fchats%2fjoin%2ffavorite'
2018-05-13 04:24:47.744582 UTC
  File "ws.py", line 128, in <module>
    chatcommunicate.init(username, password)

  File "/home/pi/SmokeDetector/chatcommunicate.py", line 86, in init
    join_command_rooms()

  File "/home/pi/SmokeDetector/chatcommunicate.py", line 103, in join_command_rooms
    room.join()

  File "/home/pi/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/chatexchange/rooms.py", line 51, in join
 
Try using your own creds?
Find it peculiar that wouldn't work
 
@quartata No luck
 
@Nick_Craver Please fix the problems with @StackOverflow chat and @StackExchange chat! I love Legos too, but now that you've finished, please fix it up. @StackStatus
 
hey
It's almost midnight there... and also weekend...
 
I'm shifted two hours back because I flew to San Diego
Why is this being downvoted? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310163/…
 
4:35 AM
@NobodyNada wtf
Can you even log in on an incognito window?
 
hey
What a Terrible Failure?
 
@quartata Yes
 
Try hitting rejoin all
Yeah that works
There is literally no reason for CE not to work
Are you sure the creds are right
 
what on earth is in Fire Department
@quartata Yes
 
better question: can you login via stackexchange.com
Someone's instance is working
Albeit probably recovering from a broken pipe
 
@quartata Yes
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog you have a SmokeDetector instance?
 
....are you seeing this @NobodyNada
 
What the fuck
 
@quartata MSE chat was never down
 
4:43 AM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog But all the Smokeys died
 
They all came out of standby all of a sudden and ruined my headphones
 
ooh, now I get a 500 on C.SE/SO rather than a runtime error
 
So not used to seeing chat flags last this long.
 
Testing to see if my instance logs in now, just to see...
Seems like it
 
I have no idea what is going on but a Smokey is alive and that's what matters
I tried to standby everything but Lunar and instead Supernova came up, k
 
4:47 AM
@quartata I've got an instance starting with debug messages in here
In standby, failover if you want it
Just got this in the console-only one: android.stackexchange.com/a/195804
fp, reported in Fire Department
 
@NobodyNada Apparently we've been back for 10 minutes. The standby weirdness was WELZ and I messing with things simultaneously without realizing what the other was doing
CHQ was fun, lots and lots of garbage....
 
oh...I was refreshing /error...
 
Hahahahahahaha
Server Fault was down too? What could have this been?
Must have been a flat out outage of something
I didn't notice any other SE sites down
 
Only chat.se and chat.so
And apparently, also Serverfault
 
5:02 AM
All snafu again?
 
hey
SF is already back online, though...
also Chat.SO and Chat.SE
\o/
 
5:34 AM
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A: Chat Seems to be Down

Tom LimoncelliWe've solved the problem in the short-term. We're looking into the long-term solution. We'll have a postmortem report when everything is completely fixed. The short version was a lack of disk space but, of course, that's just part of the whole story. Tom SRE Manager, Stack Overflow

I think I might owe a few apologies.
 
Chat.Meta, ServerFault, and a few other sites were down. All known issues are resolved. Sorry for the outage. Post-mortem report in the works.
 
 
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needs delete votes now
 
thrown it mine
 
 
1 hour later…
9:18 AM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Likely due to GDPR. See gdpr-info.eu/art-8-gdpr .
> Where the child is below the age of 16 years, such processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that consent is given or authorised by the holder of parental responsibility over the child
 
and 13 is cause of COPPA I think
 
yes
 
And in both cases it is basically that SE doesn't want to bother getting parental consent, due to that being too much work for little gain. Instead, the kids can just lie about their age. A lot easier.
 
Hah
More or less
 
I wonder how many people will suddenly grow a year or three within the span of one day
stats please
 
9:25 AM
lol
 
Just show me crappy RegEx question and I become three years older
 
Most people who get caught for underagedness mention it in content
 
or just keep mum until they're 13/16
 
there are absolutely not at least two current SE mods who have done exactly that
 
9:26 AM
That said, SE didn't exist till my 20s so it was non issue.
and I didn't really get to be a proper geek till my late teens.
 
@JourneymanGeek The only requirement for being able to hide your age is knowing that you have to. I mean, if no-one on the internet can tell if you're a dog, then hiding your age should be a lot easier.
 
Yup!
And kinda ironically, I think that's good enough in most cases
and has been the policy as long as anyone can remember
 
 
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user287113
10:49 AM
Hi
 
user287113
I would like to ask questions (and receive authoritative answers to my questions) regarding the categorization of a song in terms of genre and regarding the difference between several styles of music. According to https://music.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic, I can't ask there these questions.
 
user287113
Why can't I ask these questions on music.stackexchange.com? What was the rationale? We have a website about the theory and practice of music and this kind of questions can't be asked there?
 
user287113
Note: I don't want to ask my question on the music fans website. I don't want to receive opinionated answers.
 
@nbro did you check their meta: music.meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=identifying ?
 
user287113
10:55 AM
I don't care about opinions. I've been reading many opinions... I want authoritative and technical answers regarding the topics I mentioned above.
 
user287113
It seems to me that the people that rule the SE websites are all of the same type, that is, computer scientists or related people, who don't actually have an understanding of many and many topics, which makes many of the websites not very realiable, in general.
 
@nbro I doubt they allow for opinions, as neither of the SE sites fits that design.
 
user287113
In that website, I think I would be an expert regarding the questions I want to ask...
 
Fine participate then, they seem to need more field experts.
 
user287113
11:02 AM
But I am not really an expert... I am just an informed person regarding certain topics.
 
Why not simply trying out your questions there? If you well explain what you're after, show your knowledge and research you've already done, I still believe it's the right place to ask.
You can even explicitly add that you're not asking about opinions, don't ask for 3rd party resources though.
 
or ask for a site-recommendation on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/tags/site-recommendation/info
 
@nbro you should ask their meta
 
After something unclear happened maybe.
 
hey
but anyway, there's no scientific study in genre. You can call anything you like as a new genre, and if it's adopted by many, then there... a new genre.
 
11:20 AM
@hey Strange, that was what I was looking for. In which site category is it listed?
 
hey
It's on Music.SE, under Life/Arts? But these questions were asked in 2014
 
Just overlooked it at Life/Arts
 
hey
(cnt'd) case in point, there's an internet radio for electronic music genre. While 95% of the songs seem "correct", some times there are songs that are in wrong genre to my ears. Now, am I right in saying that the song is not in correct genre? Who knows...
@nbro also this meta discussion: music.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2549/…
 
 
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12:50 PM
sd fp-
 
1:48 PM
54 messages moved to Chimney
 
2:01 PM
@nbro ... "the people that rule the SE websites" are not the ones that answer all the questions on all the sites. I'd wager that all sites have a similar reliability: with more users comes higher reliability.
And by the way, the onus of not receiving opinionated answers is not on the community, it's on you to compose a good question that is not primarily opinion based. Asking wether a scale is e minor or major is not opinionated (however bad that question might be). Asking what the composer had in mind when preferring that e minor scale would be opinionated, and the asker would be the sole person responsible for drawing opinionated answers.
 
2:41 PM
@nbro Most SE sites run like vaguely functional anarchies. There's no real ruling class and a lot of the 'laws' are vague ;p
I for one am totally not a computer scientist
 
3:15 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: How I prevent a plugin to be loaded when doing WP-CLI? by fraweb on wordpress.SE
 
3:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected: What type of olive oil was used for the shemen hamishcha (Anointing oil)? by Servant of Allah on judaism.SE
 
hey
3:57 PM
I'm a computer scientist (well, a programmer, to be exact), but I don't find it useful in Anime.SE :S
I doubt many on Cooking.SE and Gardening.SE are computer scientists too...
Darn... so many bomb attacks in my country today...
 
4:29 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: What prevents predator overpopulation? by Deborah Stephenson on biology.SE
 
hey
4:40 PM
sd f
 
5:17 PM
@hey Indonesia? What the hell :(
 
@JourneymanGeek you were from Singapore, right?
 
wrong tense
I am from singapore, and am in singapore.
 
Correct tense, actually
 
were indicates past.
 
5:29 PM
@JourneymanGeek yes, but past doesn't always indicate past, or past as you depict it :)
 
@JourneymanGeek &$
 
but yes
that is vaguely accurate, grammatical pedantry aside
 
If we get pedantic, you wereing from Singapore weakly implies you not being from Singapore
Easily cancellable
 
anyway yes
I currently am in singapore.
 
5:43 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, link at end of answer, username similar to website in answer: How to save outlook office 365 email body in SharePoint Online Document Library using Microsoft Flow? by photoboard on sharepoint.SE
 
5:57 PM
@JourneymanGeek like, right in the middle?
 
no actually
I'm pretty much as close to the edge as I can be
 
@JourneymanGeek Thank God. The middle of Singapore would be meters under ground
@JourneymanGeek don't fall off don't fall off
 
@JourneymanGeek Are you singing from every pore?
 
@user5389107 just one pore
 
5:59 PM
The most awful singapore pun came to my mind so I had to let it out
 
..... oh god
I just got it
YOU GUYS!
 
The pun's awfulness is proportional to its likeliness of being uttered
Which makes all puns uttered . . .
 
@JourneymanGeek pretty awful right?
 
Or does it?
 
@user5389107 in some circles that would be a kicking offense ;p
Fortunately! This isn't sparta IRC
 
6:02 PM
It's neither
Which means IRC is sparta
I'm feeling logical today
 
or ill.
 
Gosh argh! Stupid allergy-inducing hypoallergenic adhesive tapes!
@Sha I wanna scratch my arm again
 
@JourneymanGeek Pp
The paint is washing off my face
Or my face is moving up while the paint is stationary
 
0o
you could be melting
 
6:08 PM
Nah this is not Singapore
 
oddly the thermostat here is busted, its too cold and I am wearing 4 layers of clothes.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ scratch! :D
 
6:36 PM
@JourneymanGeek We have this weird issue here where it's not too warm (28°) but ridiculously humid so it feels like it's too warm and you can't do anything without sweating to death
 
lol
that's normal here
 
Are there any regular SEDE users here? I'm wondering if it's just me that's seeing old data in the queries, despite it saying it was updated 13 hours ago.
 
I'd say @rene but he's apparently inactive
 
@JourneymanGeek \o
@JeffSchaller this same problem is back: meta.stackexchange.com/q/309917/158100 I guess due to the out-of-disk space of this morning.
@Taryn I know you have probably other priorities now but I'm afraid you have to put refreshing SEDE also on your todo list. see ^ (sorry) /cc @JeffSchaller
@JeffSchaller with this query you can see which databases did refresh and which probably didn't: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/848198/…
 
6:56 PM
@rene can you post something on MSE? I'm not expecting to tackle this today.
I need to look to see why it's failed the last two weeks and I won't have time today
 
@Taryn sure, will do. Take it easy, you'll be fine ;)
 
Thanks
 
@Taryn How were the chooks?
 
@rene thank you for the quick reply! Sorry to hear it’s not just me. No urgency at all!
 
7:16 PM
 
@πάνταῥεῖ the chicken was delicious
@rene thanks. I’ll take a closer look tomorrow
 
Ok
 
@user5389107 yeah, typical in Israel too especially near the sea.
 
8:07 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: What is opinion of Nichiren Buddhism on the concept of a Creator or Supreme Being? by JAISRIRAM on buddhism.SE
 
^ still alive
no "sd"
 
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@quartata THX for noticing
 
 
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10:03 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: How to write a Q with a dot above, for differential notation? by marcus on apple.SE
 

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