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12:00 PM

@Tinkeringbell Thanks, though I can't check the bug because it appears only in the nomination phase. Actually, in Android.SE, when commenting on a candidate's nomination, I noticed that "Add comment" box was overlapping the comment box. I posted a question on Android's meta but the staff has not responded yet. So I thought to cross-check on other sites.

There were huge changes behind the scenes with design.

> There were huge [unnecessary] changes [...] with design.

Not sure about unnecessary, but yeah.

@ShadowWizard did you click for 4 GB worth of images?

@ShadowWizard I mean that the design change was not at all necessary

12:03 PM

any change is necessary change if you want to make it seem like development is ongoing

@EKons no, I don't mean the visible changes. They made huge changes to the way they code the design.

ah

@AndrasDeak nah, made it in batches.

exactly, so I removed the "behind the scenes" part to mean the visible ones too (sneaky hehe)

@ShadowWizard phew!

12:05 PM

@EKons ohh, well, agree some are not helpful e.g. image upload.

ah, you just reminded me of that... ew

They forgot the "don't fix it it's not broken" rule.

Hey, the new image upload feature is great, it only broke once in five answers I've posted since

lol

heh, I guess 1/5<1 :P

> it works [sometimes], so why "fix" it?

12:07 PM

I could open a new answer in a separate tab to upload the image and copy the link back.

in Python on Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 11 '17 at 11:38, by Andras Deak

don't fix what ~~ain't broken~~ has a workaround

or do the sandbox trick (open one of the three sandbox chat rooms, upload the image there, quickly copy then delete message)

@EKons risky

in case of mistake in image, you can never really delete it...

any RO can see.

not with a bit of common sense... ah, right, that's not as abundant anymore

also why would I do that if in an answer only I can see it?

@AndrasDeak in post editor until you submit nobody else can see it.

12:10 PM

my point exactly

user405243

Question:

user405243

in The h Bar on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by Blue

"Is deleting and re-creating my account when I'm question-banned, against SE rules?"

yes

yes

obviously

12:12 PM

anything that lets you do something that you wouldn't otherwise be able to do is against the rules

vote on yourself, vote multiple times, ask when you're banned, etc.

> if you can't do it with the one account you already have, you mustn't do it

user405243

Any meta post which states this explicitly ?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard sounds like military prices

but ya, that sounds good.

@Blue absolutely

@Blue it's common sense

^, was going to say

user405243

12:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek Link?

@JourneymanGeek outlet, actually. ;)

I urge anyone else to try and see what happens. Empirical evidence is best evidence. Make sure to post the old and new username here.

user405243

@ShadowWizard True, but common sense isn't common :)

4 mins ago, by EKons

not with a bit of common sense... ah, right, that's not as abundant anymore

(different topic)

Journeyman Geek

@Blue Not sure if its explicitly stated but... very bad things can happen

12:15 PM

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A: What should a user do with unsalvageable questions when they have been question banned?

The typical recourse for a user in a situation like this is to contact the team for assistance. When contacting the team, you need to show that you have understood how the site works and are capable of learning from your mistakes and asking better questions. What happens with your account depends...

user405243

Not that I'm question banned anywhere. This topic just came up on the hbar, so I was just curious. It would be good to have some references which state this explicitly.

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Q: Multiple accounts being used to dodge a question ban

From what I've read on meta, multiple accounts by one user are "OK" as long as they aren't being used as "sock-puppets" to upvote eachother. Well I've come across someone who is registering multiple accounts to admittedly evade a question ban. This is a recent exchange I had with this person: ...

discussion post-ban multiple-accounts

hmm, not the best quote I guess

user405243

@ShadowWizard I'm not talking about a case of multiple accounts..sockppets. I'm talking about a single account which is deleted and recreated when question banned...

@Blue same thing.

user405243

12:17 PM

Afaik if you do that you are just limited to 1 question per week

in both cases, you're creating a new account to circumvent the ban

@Blue dunno how it works exactly, but yeah at some point the check is done based on IP address, not account.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (98): Any way to detect APC (Asynchronous Procedure Calls) injection in my process by jcgllian on serverfault.com

@Blue well, if you want official stamp, we can ask @Shog9 to explain why it's against the rules to delete a question banned account and create a new account to dodge the ban. :)

user405243

@ShadowWizard Question bans are always IP level. If the developers really wanted to impose the same restrictions on a re-created account i.e. indefinite question ban, why didn't they do that for the new account sharing the same IP address as well?

user405243

12:20 PM

Instead they kept it as 1 question per 1 week

user405243

Which is weird

IP level ban is a higher level, they give people some slack at first.

Journeyman Geek

@Blue naw, I think qbans are account level

oh

user405243

@JourneymanGeek Any source? :/

Journeyman Geek

@Blue if its anywhere, its in meta

I wonder if the suspension behavour (any unserved suspensions carry on) happens here too.

12:24 PM

@JourneymanGeek think suspended user can't delete their account.

might be possible by contacting mods

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard sometimes spammers recreate accounts and they end up with a "suspension" that happens automatically

which is why we sometimes hit a spammer with a long suspension in case...

@Blue might be worth checking if someone has asked this on meta before

Wondering....

23 hours ago, by Derpy

> If you win but don't care for cheese, we'll give you a selection of other items of approximate value.

and

> If you want one of these engraved with "Cheese Overflow 2018":

^ can I abuse this to ask them to engrave to add a little Pinkie face near the "Cheese Overflow" thing?

Journeyman Geek

Never know if you don't ask

waiting for the mail, give them time.

12:31 PM

plz-delete IPSEC meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318241/… @rene @Bart @Glorfindel

@Derpy wonder which CM would send those emails, usually it's not Tim himself.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I am sad

@Firelord Ah, my apologies. IIRC bicycles has just started their nomination phase yesterday. So you might be able to try over there...

Journeyman Geek

that is greatest network diagram

user405243

in The h Bar on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by Blue

I have no personal problems with that. My issue is somewhat different. (1) Question bans are IP level afaik. (2) Recreated question banned accounts (not sockpuppets) are restricted to 1 question per 1 week. Now, I don't understand that if they really wanted to impose the same restrictions on the recreated account as on the original account they would have done so i.e. impose an indefinite question ban as soon as the new account is created after deleting the original account.

user405243

Okay...now I may be wrong

user405243

12:34 PM

Question bans may not be IP level

user405243

I'll check that

user405243

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, thanks

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/318244/152859

@ShadowWizard I think by now Tim official role (as his business card probably proves) is "🃏". So, I totally expect him to have won this task too.

!!/report stackoverflow.com/a/53281063/447356 stackoverflow.com/a/53281004/447356 stackoverflow.com/a/53280950/447356

!!/allspam stackoverflow.com/users/9517943/vijayakumar

SO spammers should know better than spamming MSE. ;)

Journeyman Geek

12:37 PM

@ShadowWizard 100k?

@JourneymanGeek huh? Why?

Journeyman Geek

I think my swag was handled by Animuson

@JourneymanGeek mine too, yeah.

Journeyman Geek

the 100k email on SU was robert

@ShadowWizard should maybe escalate since he was spamming the same link everywhere?

12:38 PM

@Derpy no, all SO spam will be gone soon, likely mods will nuke the account as well.

@ShadowWizard that's what I meant, someone who can delete the account.

@JourneymanGeek Robert the Area 51 CM? Didn't know he's also doing it. :)

@ShadowWizard looks like your !!/allspam made Smokey post each answer twice over CHQ :P

user405243

> Can I simply create a new account?
No. The automatic ban is at a lower level than account.

@Journeyman why are you sad?

@EKons ooops lol

user405243

12:42 PM

101

A: What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"?

Why am I getting this message? As stated in the about links on every page, Stack Exchange is a network of question and answer sites, not help forums. This implies that all posts are expected to have some value for later visitors too. To enforce that, and to prevent help vampires making the answe...

Journeyman Geek

hm?

Sad?

@ShadowWizard no, not your fault! just blaming Smokey :P

10 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I am sad

As usual, no context/reply so I can't know... :/

throwing reply on @Journeyman

anyway, back to the cheese. It is not Catija since she is probably pretty busy. Not shog, wood is flammable so it is better to keep it away from a flamethrower. Balpha is probably swimming in hats. Animuson... you can only trick one into doing a boring work once....

:D

Journeyman Geek

12:42 PM

@ShadowWizard the network diagram in the question you asked to delete is...

so, nope, Tim totally won the task :p

Journeyman Geek

The most glorious thing

@JourneymanGeek ohh, didn't even look. Let me see...

user405243

@erick it is permanent by IP, it is lower level than account — Jeff Atwood Dec 14 '10 at 17:34

user405243

So that clarifies it :)

Journeyman Geek

12:43 PM

IT IS MOST GLORIOUS THING!

@JourneymanGeek free address masks for everyone, didn't want potential attackers to have to waste time looking.

Now, please, flip the page. I think the next one may have the administrator password.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy private ranges

@JourneymanGeek I know, still wouldn't like to have that schema printed on the web.

Considering it is an actual photo of a meeting board, it only by luck that it doesn't include some much more sensitive info

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy there's literally nothing that can be done with that ;p

doing network diagrams is hard

@JourneymanGeek I would expect that if you are going to post a question, at least you would take the time to either redraw that or at least crop the image :P ?

Journeyman Geek

12:54 PM

@Derpy network diagrams are hard ;p

though if you were a cisco shop, packet tracer is awesome

1:10 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad pattern in url body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching product name in body, +4 more (688): Where buy to Keto Tone Tank Shark by jeffrery on askubuntu.com

> Eucalyptus oil is highly flammable; ignited trees have been known to explode

... ok, I am starting to think Dark Soul must take place in Australia now...

In the mean time, LotR was filmed in New Zealand, just a stone throw's away, or about the range of a mounted eagle.

@Derpy do you by any chance remember the quest in Ni No Kuni 2 where you should find someone's full name?

!!/coffee Nog

1:31 PM

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Macchiato for @Nog

@ShadowWizard A man of many names?

@Derpy think so... Sin Gul if I remember correctly. But he has 5 more middle names I'm supposed to find somehow.

ugh eww

@ShadowWizard ah, never done that before?

my stomach hurts

1:39 PM

I fear that if you waited till the end of the game to do that quest, you may find it a tad annoying.

@Derpy no... it's the only quest where there's no indication whatsoever where to find what I need. hmm.. except the smelly boots quest perhaps. lol

But items drop is different and random, I guess.

@andmyself did you eat spam again? ;)

@Derpy I didn't have any choice, the person wasn't there before ending the game...

There are many quests that suddenly appeared after end game, I already finished all the rest I could find.

So, still missing that Name Quest and also missing one other citizen for whom I didn't even find a quest yet.

(got 98 citizens)

visited all cities and forests... no quest indicators. :(

already level 3 kingdom?

(I remember you mentioned you already achieve level 4 kingdom though...)

@ShadowWizard oh, yep, checked, it was indeed unlocked only postgame.

Well, then I hope you remember when you went where.

@andmyself yes of course. :)

@andmyself nope, that's my final goal

@Derpy meaning.... ?

I need to go back to places I visited and completed long ago?

@ShadowWizard that if I remember correctly the actual names you have to give are somehow based on the order you visited some places (all story related)

Basically, if you can find someone in Cloudcoil that talks about a guy named "Donwaribihapi" or something similar...

have fun in backtracking across the whole world, find the five persons that remember part of the name...

1:53 PM

hmm.... I see. Thanks!

and put them in the right order.

Or just cheat and read the names in a guide since I don't seem to remember that the games actually requires you to find them.

BTW, since we are at it... Remember what you said about the 10th maze, @ShadowWizard?

@Derpy that's my last resort, yeah.

Oct 24 at 14:00, by Shadow Wizard

e.g. in Ni No Kuni 2, I'm not planning to complete the 10th maze. This is just insane, and after giving up on it I read spoilers about it to make sure I don't lose anything really valuable like citizens.

^ guess where some of the required items for the last five quests can be found at?

@Derpy yeah, I now plan to complete it to get items I need for the Legendary weapons and armor. Need them to defeat that level 69 Corrupted dragon, he keeps crushing me into thin dust. :/

(and I'm lvl 70 already)

oh, shouldn't be too annoying.

2:02 PM

Without better items, it is.

Oh, you mean completing the 30 levels of the maze?

@ShadowWizard I meant navigating the maze

I know, it's just boring hack&slash.

oh, just a warning. If my memory serves the "surprise surprise" room at the end closes as soon as you enter. May be bad for you

@Derpy no idea what it means, but thanks for the warning! :)

@ShadowWizard that at the end of the maze there is a friend waiting to give you an hug, and if you get to close you risk to stay there until you either convince it to let you go or grow old trying.

Disclaimer: may not be an actual friend.

2:12 PM

@Derpy let me guess, this one?

user image

I do consider asking on arqade if there's any way to reach/see/hear about his new kingdom.

Which reminds me.... the higgledies are back to Ding Dong Dell, in their full glory and funny dancing! I should update my question, maybe self answer.

@ShadowWizard nope. More generic.

For added fun, remember to go there at danger level 5

@Derpy fun? I prefer to not get killed... especially when I can't save in there...

@Derpy hmm... the kid from the future? (Don't want to post direct spoiler ;))

@ShadowWizard see it as a bonus! No risk to save the game with a level 60 party locked in a room with a level 120 boss

Hello @pub and welcome to the ~~local pub~~ Tavern! :D

!!/coffee public

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Macchiato for @public

2:24 PM

@Derpy whaaaaaaat? ouch.

public static void main

Hello @ShadowW (the first).

lol

@Sha also pings me... and my sock. ;)

public static void main

Does @S ping you and your sock too?

Journeyman Geek

I think there's a 3 ~~drink~~ character minimum

Nope, and neither is @Sh

Journeyman Geek

2:27 PM

also tab complete

@JourneymanGeek correct, unless the whole name is less than 3 characters

public static void main

Okay @Jou and @Sha.

lol

public static void main

Did you get pinged? :)

@Jou just sounds weird, @Journey is the shortest which appears fine. :D

Journeyman Geek

2:29 PM

Yes and yes

@publicstaticvoidmain sure

Journeyman Geek

pity we can't alias. @geek would work well too

Lovely ping!

public static void main

oh, what a lovely ping!

me luvz pingz

public static void main

2:30 PM

me luvzez pings!

Can it be? Have I found someone who love pings as much as I do?? @pub

public static void main

@Sha yes it is, I love pings as much as you.

> WHAT AN
HORRIBLE
NIGHT TO
HAVE A PING

public static void main

@Der MWAHAHA

No, I love pings during days, I love pings during night! And it's all @public! :D

public static void main

2:33 PM

I like pings in the sun, I like pings in any @Shadow.

So @public what happened on SO? Sock accident? (no reply is also fine if you don't want to discuss it in humor :))

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy yes it is

Wasn't suspended on a site yet, but did get myself a week chat ban once.

public static void main

@Shadow there was evidence that I had a sock puppet (I actually didn't).

@publicstaticvoidmain how did it happen? IP sharing with someone?

Journeyman Geek

2:36 PM

@publicstaticvoidmain there's usually a fair amount of other things that leads people to assume sockpuppetry

Only 3 days left, guess it's pointless to fight too much about it, right? @pub

public static void main

@Shadow I honestly have no idea, probably someone serial upvoting me.

Journeyman Geek

@publicstaticvoidmain usually that's handled quietly and automatically

@publicstaticvoidmain any chance from your own computer, e.g. brother who pranked you?

public static void main

@Sha that is very possible.

2:37 PM

so that's what it is, and too bad you can't prove that...

How old is your brother?

public static void main

14

buh... just the legal age for SE.

Wait... you're from USA or Europe? @public

public static void main

USA @Shadow

So he's legal.

public static void main

yeah, I will prank him back if I find more evidence he did it

2:38 PM

Well, if he pulls this again and leads to longer suspension, guess you'll have to make him confess and email the team about it. :)

He's doing pranks IRL too? @pub

public static void main

@Shadow yes, all the time

I only have older brother (and sister) with large gap.

Wait... how old are you? @pub

public static void main

15

what about you?

oooops.... arresting self for suggesting beer to 15 y/o earlier

@publicstaticvoidmain x2.67 your age

public static void main

yeah, please bring your computer to prison though

2:41 PM

@publicstaticvoidmain oh no, can't do it. The stuff they'll find there will only lead to longer prison time.... :P

public static void main

Oh yeah, don't bring your computer to prison :)

One year diff between brothers must be cool, I have 2.5 years between my daughter and son.

they play nicely.... most of the time. :D

public static void main

2.5 years is still not a big difference, but it is cool to be just 1 year apart.

@ShadowWizard There's 4 between me and my oldest brother, and 10 between me and the youngest.

@publicstaticvoidmain well, we tried to make it 1 year diff too but.... nature has its own ways. :/

public static void main

2:44 PM

@Shadow that would be kinda annoying, but I guess that's just how life is.

@Tinkeringbell that's a lot, kind of like the gap for me. 7 years from brother, 12 from sister.

@publicstaticvoidmain yup. And we got the three kids we wanted, so things ended up just fine. :)

Factory is now closed, though. :P

huh? Are you JasonC by any chance? LOL

wait, he would say "ur mom", so no.

@ShadowWizard It is, and sometimes it's fun but there's also been quite a while where I couldn't stand the youngest just because he was so childish.

public static void main

No. My mom's making me leave now :(

see ya later!

@publicstaticvoidmain ohh... say "hi" to her. Cya!

@pub's mom: please let your son come here often, this is a nice place. Promise!. :D

@Tinkeringbell yeah, that makes some sense. ;)

@ShadowWizard yep, just avoid the Den.

2:48 PM

@Derpy hehe, @pub was smart enough to do that. :)

(I invited him to both rooms)

Guess he saw the recent messages and ran away.... :D

public static void main

False alarm, I can stay on for 30 more minutes.

yay! happy dancing

user image

public static void main

dancing around in happiness

:)

@pub your brother has (known) account on SO/SE?

public static void main

I'm not totally sure, probably.

2:50 PM

hmm...

public static void main

He wouldn't tell me if he did, though...

You use the same computer, I assume? @pub

public static void main

No, but I think he knows my password

Journeyman Geek

change it?

oh, but for voting fraud it's not relevant, he can just create whole different account and serially upvote you. It would be logged from same IP, so mods can't know it's not you.

Journeyman Geek

2:52 PM

quite honestly

as a mod...

He doesn't need to hack your account to have you suspended. @pub

Journeyman Geek

"my brother did it" or "my friend did it"...

we hear that so often we're jaded

public static void main

Yeah, it's really annoying :(

@JourneymanGeek Yeah it's usually just an excuse, but... who knows. :)

@public here appears legit.

I mean... we really can't know.

public static void main

I didn't even respond to the moderator message because it sounds so much like an excuse :(

2:53 PM

It is.

lol

public static void main

The one and only ACTUAL RELEVENT EXCUSE!

lol

I sensed something different, hence I started the chat with you, BTW. @pub :)

Next FR: prevent someone from upvoting me

public static void main

@and Good thing to do :)

Usually I ignore rants about downvotes.

Journeyman Geek

2:55 PM

@publicstaticvoidmain the mod messages are stock

public static void main

I can imagine they are.

Journeyman Geek

usually they are not customised much

Unless you're lucky and get a mod that lovingly crafts a message just for you

Think Shog does it. No?

public static void main

idk

Journeyman Geek

2:56 PM

naw

@pub you know Shog?

Journeyman Geek

actually we tend to use defaults cause its less likely we make mistakes

or get angry

public static void main

@Sha yeah a little bit

Now that you're here, you better know him. :D

public static void main

he's one of the nicest mods

Journeyman Geek

2:56 PM

If there's a reply and exceptional circumstances, maybe

Not a mod, a CM... it's above mods. @pub

public static void main

@Jou what site are you a mod on?

Journeyman Geek

Super User

Super @Journey ;)

This is what angry @JourneymanGeek looks like:

user image

Journeyman Geek

2:57 PM

Cut my teeth on software Recs

A site for super user only

lol

public static void main

@Sha what does CM stand for?

Community Manager

Journeyman Geek

Community Manager

public static void main

2:57 PM

Oh

SE staff.

They moderate the moderators, in a way.

public static void main

The real top dogs

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well kiiiiindaaaa

Yup.

Journeyman Geek

the role's seemingly evolved over the years

2:58 PM

@JourneymanGeek I said "in a way". How would you define their role in one sentence? ;)

professional listeners

public static void main

Now moderators kinda control the SE universe

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ideally or realistically? ;p

@JourneymanGeek both... :D

Journeyman Geek

Ideally. they're community evangelists and the interface between us and the company

2:59 PM

Sounds good...

Journeyman Geek

practically, they handle the back end stuff that mods can't

Sounds less good....

I'm still thinking mods as... janitor

public static void main

So the mods aren't all-powerful ;)

@publicstaticvoidmain they are, to a point.

Journeyman Geek

2:59 PM

Juan's team (so Juan, Cat and I think Nicholas) is kinda pivoting back towards the community evangelist role, as are other folks, in theory

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