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Can one make the circles smaller in graphs on the SEDE?

Guessing not...

@AaronHall which circles?

I thought we only did line-diagrams

there are little circles representing data points, with lines between them

Like here, I can't see mine: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/713956/…

exporting to CSV and using Excel or D3 or whatever charting package suits you is always an option

Matplotlib thank you muchly...

Too much trouble... for now... is there an API that gives me the CSV directly?

@AaronHall click on the Results tab and click 'Download CSV' at the right side

or is that not what you meant?

@AaronHall nope, is on the wishlist of many. I have a somewhat working export option in C# here: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/SOCVR-Chatbot/tree/master/…

It is not generating an CSV but gives you the data that could store the CSV locally for you

@AaronHall Oh, I think I wrote that query. Sorry. XP

well if I could just bring my dots to the foreground via the UI that would be something...

But they seem to be placed down by name first...

Maybe if I could figure out how to modify the query to reverse sort by name...

@AaronHall data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/758639/…

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/758638/…

@Shog9 doh

although, it made your dots white

so the visibility still isn't great

lol

I donno; stands out pretty well - it'd be worse if it was black or yello

works for me. Too soon to see anything cool I guess.

I used that query when I wanted to get really disheartened about the ridiculous inertia of established, crap answers

Very effective. If only we had a hot(?) sort to elevate bright new answers...

Has that been considered? :D

there's a userscript for that around somewhere

@Shog9 lol, good for the powerusers...

I tend to find Active sort more useful

Are you looking for the best answer or the ones most recently modified?

@Shog9 I use "active" quite a bit too

Those are two things.

I'm looking for information I might miss otherwise.

@AaronHall pfft, I'm looking for mine... and mine tend to be active. :P

"Best" depends on my specific situation, which may or may not match that of other voters

If I'm looking for "mine" I Ctrl-f.

I ctrl+f for "canon" more than I care to admit.

Reddit's "Best" sort is that statistical sort that basically penalizes downvotes... and elevates those with fewer net but little or no downvotes.

But it ignores temporality.

Since they freeze after 6 months, I suppose that's fine.

But then people keep asking the same questions over and over.

I've caught myself answering duplicates a few times... but had difficulty finding a dupe I knew to exist: googling or otherwise.

A "hot" sort would consider temporality - perhaps weighting older votes less (or not at all).

I really wish we had view information over time

that "people reached" metric still sticks in my craw

@canon I think it's useful. Don't work against it, go with the flow.

If there were already 100k views on a question before you posted... so long as you get enough votes to qualify, you get all 100k views. Float on through all you like but that seems broken to me. :P

Wouldn't even need individual timestamped view counts if you just stored off the current question view count along with the answer when its posted, i.e.: don't count these. Of course, that's no help for existing data. :/

I think it's a useful measure of the value of the question.

And if you answer the question really well, it's a measure of the value you have contributed to the site.

It's a nonsense metric because it can't properly measure what it purports to measure. They don't have the data. You may get credited with 100k views... but maybe none of those views occurred while your answer even existed. If they did, maybe they never even scrolled down to your answer.

They wanted something so badly that they cobbled together something broken from nothing.

(long tail of value in answers that most people don't scroll down to see... :P )

only 5 in 100k have to in order to get you credit for 100k

Right, but if we could see that only 5 people saw it, and all 5 upvoted, that would be a really strong signal...

but you can't

so, if it had 100k views

and another 20k people saw it

but only 5 upvoted

you'd get credit for 120k

they don't take the timeline into account

you know, if you subscribe to the notion of linear time :P

Do we care about the past, the present, or the future?

I only care about presents...

Yes, but present value is about what happens in the future.

The value of the answers we have today is not measured by the net votes. It is measured by the quality of them * number of future views.

The best indicator of future views is past views.

Citation needed.

Thus, crediting an account's answer with net 5 upvotes with all the views makes sense if you want to measure the value created by the account for the site.

You can cite this: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6490700#6490700

You're not measuring anything. You're guessing... using numbers that had nothing to do with the answer itself... because those numbers predated the answer.

going forward... :D

I seem to recall a conversation about this where the devs admitted as much... threw up their hands... and said, this is the best we can do with what we have.

Probably so. But you're complaining that it's not a good measure of what it purports to measure - and I agree, but I'm telling you it has value from another standpoint.

I disagree. :) It's a hollow feel-good metric that fills a spot on the profile page.

If you like writing canonical answers, and you like reputation points, you should try to maximize your "people reached" metric.

You should also try to maximize your reputation points.

That's a pretty direct avenue.

People reached doesn't offer anything other than a cloudy handwaving stat.

Answering new questions is too stressful and frustrating for me.

fgitw is fun for a while

And it doesn't seem to pay off like writing good, researched canonicals.

depends on what you want out of the site

some people like the competition/race

there comes a point where the rep doesn't really do much for you anymore

we all find our own little ways to squeeze fun out of it

I like climbing the reputation point rankings.

e.g.: bitching about pointless stuff on the profile page

It's not pointless. Whoever insisted on it being there knew what they were doing.

@AaronHall You're one of these professors that gets additional master's degrees for fun, aren't you?

IDK... I'm working on the CFA (if I could make myself do the readings...)

But it costs a lot less than a masters program...

@AaronHall You're right. Its point is to serve as a hollow feel-good metric. ;)

truly a nerd among nerds ;D

I suppose if I wanted a specific job that required a specific masters, I'd do it, but for the jobs I might want, I think I already have the masters required.

meanwhile I'm the guy who tried and failed to get a bachelor in CS

What's important is to never stop learning. You only need a sheepskin when you need it to convince other people to take a risk on you.

stack has the unfortunate side effect that you get to see some of the top people on any subject area, which means if you're average you feel like a massive failure

in the realm of CS, especially, you don't need it - too many people graduate who can't code their way out of a paper bag.

@AaronHall It's sad, really.

I failed because of complex abstract math

predicate logic, mostly

There was a guy who went through MIT's curriculum for CS in like a year or two on his own. Employers don't care. Interviewers at the big firms, in fact, just want you to know the material.

There's an aspect of diploma acquisition that's just about having social cachet.

If you read the "Millionaire Next Door" you'll find most wealthy people don't value things for social cachet.

Well here the problem is most big companies have software that'll screen you out before a human ever sees your application if you don't have one

About 80+% of the job postings for devs at big companies say "Bachelors in computer science or higher required"

Yeah, I suppose they'd screen me out too. :)

But the "requirements" in job postings are frequently "suggestions".

Unless the process is automated

Then they're gatekeepers for getting your papers in front of a human

Yeah, you gotta get past the gatekeepers and sell the decision makers.

That's one of the reasons I like to max my reputation points here. :)

I'm not good enough to do that on SO without resorting to cheap tactics

The way I figured it, when I started, was that I'd average 15 rep per answer. So all you have to do to rep cap, even if you're not a great answerer, is write 14 answers a day.

you're getting about 20+ rep per answer... so that's just 10 answers a day...

I choose my questions to answer pretty carefully, though

Also on sites that aren't SO it's much much easier

Well, it's a goal to go for... plus you learn as you write answers...

Wow... that's... some pretty crappy ROI. One mediocre answer on IPS can rep cap you on its own. :P

@Magisch there are others?

@canon workplace.SE if you have a little experience and common sense.

It's the closest we have to Reddit probably...

If not, flip a coin, take the position strongly, and you have ~20% chance of being accepted, ~10% chance of hot network blow-up.

interpersonal skills is pretty entertaining

I catch the odd post through the HNQ view

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@AaronHall You're gaming this entire model down to the wire, aren't you?

@Magisch Not Workplace - something tells me it would be a career limiting move to dispense my every pearl of wisdom there...

Pro tip: the tab container extension for Firefox is a great way to manage multiple, independent accounts if you don't want to have certain sites associated with your main account.

I always knew you had socket accounts @Shog9 :P

Joking aside, I couldn't find if there were any rules on what is okay to use for gravatar images besides the common Be Nice adherence. Can I use a trademarked image as a gravatar?

What if I am the copyright owner?

... That said... I'm going to bet that lots of people do use trademarked images for their avatars.

@TravisJ You're not going to be sending SE a cease and desist, are you?

Of course not. I think you misunderstood, what if I want to use a copyright (trademarked) image that I own as my gravatar.

If you are willing to allow SE license to that image, then go for it.

I am not really concerned about SE's use of the image. However, does that mean they would also distribute it as share alike and put it in the public domain?

SE isn't the evil empire. I think generally what that means is that, if they want to screencap something you did that happens to include your avatar and use it somewhere, they can without asking you... but that doesn't mean they won't ask first?

But this may be a better question to ask on MSE directly.

They've also changed the license they use since that post was written, so the implications there may be outdated.

I wouldn't be concerned about that. I guess I am more concerned about users thinking that since it is at SE it can be used at their discretion.

Honestly, I probably wouldn't care what SE did with any of my stuff on their own.

Maybe at some point I will send some shirts in exchange for the few they have sent me :P

I think that's part of the risk... But I also think the avatar images are low-res enough that they're not worth "stealing"...

I was looking at the user CommonsWare and think I have a good solution. I will just create an image which is the logo but is slightly obfuscated from the entire actual logo.

See how he truncates the gravatar, that seems like a good approach.

Seems good to me. :)

Good meeting :P

And... break... everyone back to your regularly scheduled workflow.

lol

GOOD MORNING @JourneymanGeek :D

morning