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user202362

2:36 AM

is it safe to leave a linux VPS not upgraded for 20 years?

user202362

unless there is ~~compiling~~ compelling reason, I really don't want to touch a version of anything that's working fine

Journeyman Geek

2:49 AM

@Telkitty ehh. 20 years? hell no

also that's kinda broad, and depends on what you have exposed, and still hell no

Its worth remembering 1) a maintained system is maintainable. There's no shame in downtime

2) programmers kinda suck (SORRY DEVS!) and are only human, fallible sacks of meat. Sometimes they mess up and you absafragginglutely need to patch

3) your VPS hardware isn't going to last 20 years. Heck even your provider might not. Planned periodic rebuilds mean if you need to upgrade you have already done it.

user202362

4:00 AM

@JourneymanGeek On the upside, my site is mainly visited by bots and spammers, so no hard feelings if their progress is hindered by a broken site

Journeyman Geek

6:36 AM

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

rene

8:02 AM

@JourneymanGeek don't get me started on system engineers ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene Well, they're also human fallible sacks of meat, but have other failure modes.

user202362

humans are not just sacks of meat, they are sacks of meat with bones, covered by skin and hair ...

rene

8:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek you call not giving me root access to a server a failure mode? I call it power abuse! You deny my program to function properly ...

Journeyman Geek

I reject your access and don't substitute my own.

rene

LOL

Journeyman Geek

(also, least these days, there's precious little that needs root access on a day to day basis anyway. That's what docker is for, right?)

rene

well ... to be honest ... right ...

Shadow Wizard

8:37 AM

well ... to be honest ... left...

@Telkitty you forget water, which is like 80% of our mass. Or more?

So sacks of meat and bones, floating in water.

Journeyman Geek

(admittedly, I use sudo to set up new applications but that's laziness)

user202362

@ShadowWizard meat is mostly water as well :p

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty oh. You're smart!

But... this meat doesn't have lots of water.... ;)

user202362

I always log in as root on my server, because there is only me, so no point having 10 other logins with different privileges >_<

Journeyman Geek

I have ssh root logins disabled

there's fairly common brute force attacks on root accounts, and its a fairly cheap way to protect a system

as is changing the SSH port

it isn't 'security' in a proper sense, like setting up a ssh key based login, but it kinda helps with the low hanging fruit

user202362

8:46 AM

2 level authentication :p

rene

9:17 AM

@JourneymanGeek It is time we scrape our logs and pay them back ...

delv-pls 20K logbook meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303161/…

delv-pls 20K sql meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303164/…

/cc ^^^ @ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ @Bart

Shadow Wizard

done both

rene

thanks

Journeyman Geek

9:43 AM

@rene only that the systems attacking are also compromised. And probably rootkitted ;p

rene

@JourneymanGeek true. My suggestion is just a bad re-invention of the idea of Nick

Journeyman Geek

ah lol

actually throwing bruteforcebots into a honeypot to track what they do would be clever.

Shadow Wizard

10:00 AM

@rene need help flagging that dreaded bot who appears to comment bomb you?

I'll gladly flag his comments.

Rarely see such a poor quality crap from single user who is active elsewhere.

rene

@ShadowWizard not sure what the best action is, honestly.

Shadow Wizard

@rene personally I'd never get involved with such a person, it's almost as he's doing it (posting total crap) on purpose.

Hopefully Q ban will kick in shortly if it didn't yet.

Journeyman Geek

who? faceman?

Shadow Wizard

So my advice now is to just back off silently, maybe asking once to stop harassing you in comments.

@JourneymanGeek nah, some "dreadbot".

Journeyman Geek

err. almost rings a bell.

Link?

Shadow Wizard

10:04 AM

Posted three "questions" over short time span, all below -8 by now.

@JourneymanGeek comments bombing is here.

Think that at some point we can flag such comments as rude or abusive, so just waiting for @rene to ask and will do it happily.

(as the flower is being abused.... :))

Wrong room

InsaneCat

yup sorry wrong one

Shadow Wizard

Though @Zoe is pingable here too... :D

InsaneCat

lol

ha ha ha

Shadow Wizard

Well the dreadbot appears to be finally silent, guess all is good then. No flags needed.

rene

@ShadowWizard famous last words ... only time will tell ...

Shadow Wizard

10:15 AM

Yup

Zoe

10:27 AM

@ShadowWizard you summoned me?

Shadow Wizard

sd k

Zoe

YES!

21 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard

Though @Zoe is pingable here too... :D

I'm everywhere :P

Journeyman Geek

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rene

11:18 AM

@Catija am I migrating crap to your meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/359269/comment-getting-deleted ? If yes, then I'm sorry ...

Maybe @Magisch has extra advice on that ^ one ...

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rene

@ShadowWizard now hammered it closed ...

user202362

@rene yep, swiftly sweeping rubbish into your neighbour's backyard while they are fast asleep

rene

Heh, at least I said sorry, OK? ;)

user202362

rene swiftly swept rubbish into his neighbour's backyard while they were fast asleep, then whispered 'I am sorry' in their direction

Shadow Wizard

11:30 AM

@rene good, finally we can delete it.

@Telkitty at least only backyard and not into their home....

user202362

because it takes extra effort to sweep across the backyard into home

Magisch

@rene que?¿

rene

@Magisch please have a look at that meta question I linked to.

I thought you were active on IPS so I assumed you might have a better feel if that question should go on their meta

Magisch

@rene I can't see deleted comments and wasn't around for that happening

Sure post it there but in the non-peak hours you probably won't get a response. There's like 15 semi-active people on meta and most of them are american

rene

@Magisch oh, I didn't think it needed the actual comments. I assumed an answer could be: yeah, we are very strict on comments that tend to discuss instead of improving the posts

or something along those lines

Magisch

11:42 AM

Well generally I don't know

rene

OK, that is an answer ;)

I'll take it

Magisch

I don't have a direct line into catija's head so I don't really know. I know they're deleting a lot of comments because the site is being heavily misused as a forum though

Shadow Wizard

stealing the answer from @rene

@Magisch makes sense. Interpersonal Skills. Personal == social == forum

rene

@Magisch I'm heavily disappointed in your inability to read minds....

Araucaria

Does anyone know how to change a log-in password? I've tried the 'my logi-ins' tab but it doesn't give options for changeing my SE password. :(

Magisch

11:51 AM

@ShadowWizard Shog takes a very dim view on that

If you're not careful he might dispatch Shogs 1-8 after you

Journeyman Geek

@Araucaria try logging in here openid.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yup it's right in there:

(another option is clicking "forgot password" even when not logged in)

@Magisch why?

Araucaria

@JourneymanGeek Shadow Thanks guys. That worked. Phew!

Magisch

@ShadowWizard Shog doesn't want people to use IPS as a forum

Journeyman Geek

12:16 PM

@Magisch might be helpful to provide context ;p

Journeyman Geek

12:32 PM

also

smacks @ShadowWizard for saying any SE site is a forum

Feeds

"...just got back and didn't see your message until just now. Sorry! -- TIME THIS MESSAGE SAT HALF-FINISHED IN DRAFTS FOLDER: 3 days, 2 hours, 45 minutes."

Journeyman Geek

oh my

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Magisch

Shog's rules for IPS

17 hours ago, 13 minutes total – 38 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked 5 hours ago by Magisch

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ^

Not for me, I'm aware of some of it ;p

Andrew T.

12:50 PM

Unlocked "Site Analytic"

Magisch

in The Awkward Silence on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 17 hours ago, by Shog9

(none of this is up for discussion; I'm going back to cleaning my garage now, and I don't want to see any more bickering on the matter when I return.)

This sounds suspiciously like a threat to unleash the ~~ringwraiths~~ other shogs :D

Andrew T.

So, the no.1 referring site on Anime & Manga is...... disq.us?

Journeyman Geek

Not the first time its happened softwarerecs.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86/…

Basically means 1) They think the site needs a nudge in the right direction 2) has a hope 3) some yelling needed.

rene

@Magisch leaves me wondering how the cleaned garage looks now ...

Journeyman Geek

probably exactly the same ;p

Magisch

12:54 PM

@rene You could ask shog

Derpy

5

Q: How to make levels that never get old, even with a leveling system?

I always get the feeling that in games with a linear plot and leveling system, players never go back to the older levels because the monsters there are too easy and the world has nothing new to offer there. Players usually don't go visit floor 1 just for memory's sake or to remember the good tim...

game-design

Ad then there is Disagea, a game where there is no problem such as "overlevelling".

Magisch

Either your early levels are useless later on or your leveling system is pointless and needs a removin

Derpy

@Magisch "Early levels"... you meant the real early levels or the redone early levels done after a rebirth that sent you back to level 1 (and then utterly abused via mastery, multipliers, rule changes and such? )

Magisch

no actual early levels

Any game with any amount of depth has difficulty progression, so even when you have no leveling system a well designed game's early levels will not challenge you or offer you decent rewards at all anymore.

Andrew T.

and I'm done with 'Site Analytic" ._.

Magisch

1:07 PM

How to: Repcap on IPS:

1.Write several answers
2.Wait until one of those hits HNQ
3.Collect rep

All of my 3 answers from today are equal in quality I think but one is raking in the votes

Derpy

@Magisch Yep, sorry, probably if you didn't ever play the game it is hard to understand. Disagea actually in a way "encourages" (or maybe forces) you to replay the old content because it is completely possible and actually "desirable" for your character to go back in experience levels.

Magisch

Sounds like there is either another leveling system in place or the game is pretty pointless

Like a paragon or multiplier or mastery or whateveryoucallitthesedays meta-level system

Of course in online games sometimes there can be economic reasons to go back into old levels

an example would be me with lv.80 in wow going back into a lv.12 area to farm ore since nobody is farming that particular ore but everyone needs it to skill leading to a higher price then endgame ore

Henry WH Hack v2.1

For some reason Stack Exchange keeps forgetting Area51.meta

Andrew T.

I just read Shog's rules for IPS. I guess the site will be the next LifeHacks.SE then...

(popular at the moment, then haunted site the next)

(sorry for the negativity, but that's my honest opinion)

Derpy

@Magisch the game incentives "munchkin-like" characters. The power progression is insane, with end level bosses having HP values expresses in billions. To keep up, the player is advised to "break" the system by using some of the (deliberately) broken game mechanics against the game. One of those mechanics is the "rebirth" system. Your character is sent back to level 1, but gets to keep a percentage of the original strength he had as a bonus. See where this end up?

Magisch

1:14 PM

@Derpy So it is a meta progression system

And presumably with modifiers on the early levels

So these aren't early levels at all but procedurally recycled endgame content

@AndrewT. What do you mean?

Andrew T.

less HNQ, which I think is good OTOH

Derpy

@Magisch not really. They ARE the early levels. But probably you have also cheated the rules so that now the level of the monsters in level 1 is multiplied by 10...

also.... now you probably can finish the battle in 5 turn or less, a thing that was impossible for you before. And get the bonus for it.

Magisch

@Derpy So they have the layout of the early levels. That means they're not early levels but endgame content based on early levels instead

Much like the scaling difficulty system in D3

Hollow Knight uses the same principle for the first level (Forgotten Crossroads)

it becomes infected at some point and the enemies gain plague attacks and shoot plague globs

Derpy

@Magisch again, not really true. In d3 the game ramps up the difficulty to match your new end game powers and make the next run still relevant.

here, you probably haven't reached the end game content.

Magisch

end game is relative

Derpy

1:18 PM

YOU are the one that is scaling up the early content to use it as a tool against the actual end content.

Magisch

semantics

Derpy

maybe, but imho it makes an HUGE difference in how you perceive the scaling.

Henry WH Hack v2.1

Quick Question: Is it OK to comment on behalf of someone? Let's say if some can't comment posted it as an answer but it's a good comment (according to Stack Exchange rules but just in the wrong place.) can someone with enough reps post the content on behalf of the person?

Or call a mod?

I know about converting comments to answers but not the other way around.

or is it answers to comments.

Not sure which way it goes.

I am really asking random questions to distance myself from something else. ;)

Magisch

@Derpy So someone managed to couch procedurally rescaling levels in a good meta narrative

:D

Andrew T.

1:39 PM

@HenryWHHackv2.1 you could if you want, considering the answer is NAA and will be deleted. Worse, it's converted into comment by mod, but then you can delete your own comment

Journeyman Geek

@HenryWHHackv2.1 ehhh, that gets complex

I mean how do you even know how they want to ask it?

We can (rarely) convert an answer to a comment

not an answer to a comment. We will let you know what a terrible person you are, politely, and wish we could comment ban you for posting answers in comments.

Derpy

@Magisch and UI-overflowing stats values.....

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I imagine a small dog with hat foaming at the mouth furiously unaware of his small size and ineffectiveness in being anything but cute and enraged but still cute

Derpy

Magisch

You know, like these small dogs somehow always have no fear

Journeyman Geek

1:47 PM

@Magisch ya. You have to train em to run away on command.

Magisch

Like there's an aggressive bobcat 10 times my weight and 8 times my size? I'll take that on rawr

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch and win.

Magisch

Well yeah because the bobcat will be like "Aw hell no this murder floof bundle of rage and pissedoffness"

Journeyman Geek

theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/oct/05/…

Thats two bears

Magisch

tbf if I was a bear and there were 3 lbs of condensed rage and overconfidence running at me I'd probably leg it too

Not worth it

Journeyman Geek

1:52 PM

(also totally explains my moderation style? ;p)

I don't threaten folks with suspension. I threaten them with rolled up newspapers.

Magisch

small ultimately impotent but scarily overconfident?

hides

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Journeyman Geek

@Magisch well, scnauzers are so named cause traditionally their whiskers were matted and acted as armour.

Magisch

I like small dogs

I like cats more but I like small dogs too

and golden retrievers

Journeyman Geek

hah

I have a soft spot for collies

and of course terriers.

Magisch

1:56 PM

my aunt has 4 golden retrievers

And they're so precious

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek no no, only the personal sites! ;)

Journeyman Geek

smacks @ShadowWizard with a rolled up spellbook

BAD WIZARD. BAD.

Shadow Wizard

reading a spell in random from the spellbook, turning @Journeyman into a frog

Journeyman Geek

bites @ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

frogs don't bite!

Journeyman Geek

1:58 PM

or gums. Or whatever frogs do.

slimes?

Shadow Wizard

> To catch prey, their sticky tongues will dart from their mouths and pull the prey into the frog's mouth. This movement is so fast often the prey doesn't have a chance to escape. A frog's tongue can snap back into its mouth within 15/100ths of a second.

Journeyman Geek

ah

tongueattacks @ShadowWizard's eyeballs

Shadow Wizard

becoming the Blind Wizard and starts roaming the world, preaching about being kind to others

Andrew T.

meow.

InsaneCat

:3

Shadow Wizard

2:18 PM

Sep 16 '10 at 19:35, by rchern

meow

(first meow in Tavern)

rene

2:36 PM

Is it irony that I wanted to link to this to explain you shouldn't vote on colleagues/users from your own organization?

Andrew T.

uhh, "you vote, then you get suspended"?

rene

I don't know the real reason for the suspension. It seemed like a good candidate at first but the answer didn't fit my purpose. Only then I noticed that the OP was suspended.

Journeyman Geek

I just realised I could do this...

rene

@JourneymanGeek is that a browser feature?

Journeyman Geek

yup

tiled tab stacks + web snippet on vivaldi

you can actually tile more but...

ooh and if you do 4....

Andrew T.

2:48 PM

I thought you're using Chrome OS >_>

androidpolice.com/2017/11/11/…

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewT. one browser window

Catija

3:04 PM

@Magisch Darn. I was hoping someone did... I certainly don't;)

Shadow Wizard

@rene well, I'm pretty sure his "students" serially upvoted him, all from same IP. Or, more likely, he was trying to game the system and used "students" as poor excuse.

rene

@ShadowWizard that could be it, yes.

Magisch

3:19 PM

@Catija Heh. Maybe one of the other mods?

They're all still asleep :D

Also reading women's minds would make me a multi trillionaire if I could do it

rene

Rich but unhappy would be my bet ...

Shadow Wizard

Unhappy and terrified

Magisch

What makes you think that?

I'd probably firsthand see how little some people like me. I think that'd sting

rene

3:35 PM

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/303177

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Catija

@Magisch There's a great episode of Star Trek TNG where Picard and Crusher can read each other's minds... it's interesting. I think I'd like to know how people think of me if only to save me the time of investing effort in people and situations where it's pointless.

I spend a lot of time agonizing over whether people think I'm interesting or annoying. I'm pretty sure that time could be better spent. Someone told me once it's safer to assume no one likes you but I think I'd find that depressing. I like people and want them to like me. I'm also the sort who tries not to tie liking someone to being in perfect agreement with them.

Feeds

4:04 PM

The Cliffs of Insanity: Dramatic Shifts in Technologies on Stack Overflow

Julia Silge on November 13, 2017

Life as a developer (or data scientist, in my case) involves being comfortable with changing technologies. I don’t use the same programming languages that I did at the beginning of my career, and I fully expect to be using different technologies several years from now. Here on the Stack Overflow blog, we’ve talked recently about technologies that are shrinking in popularity and those that are growing, but sometimes a programming language, framework, or technology comes out of nowhere and bursts on to the scene, or falls off a cliff. Sometimes there are dramatic shifts in a technolo …

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Shadow Wizard

@Catija but if you'll know for sure what anyone think about you, it will be boring. You won't have to do anything. You saw the first Matrix movie? There's a related scene, where they mention that the machines tried to create a perfect world for the humans, and they simply started to kill themselves in masses due to boredom.

Catija

4:26 PM

@ShadowWizard Considering how frustrated it makes me when people are enigmatic about these sorts of things... I think I'd rather be bored ;)

rene

5:16 PM

@Catija you answered and voted to close as a dupe that book question. Was that in error?

Catija

@rene Order of operations. I answered it first and then thought about it a bit and realized it'd probably been asked before... though, with the specificity of Harry Potter, it might not be a dupe since both sites are possible targets for that question.

The dupe target doesn't say anything about HP...

rene

Ok, I skipped it ... I was just wondering about your motivation

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Magisch

@Catija Boredom is a fate worse then death if it lasts

Catija

@Magisch There is more to life than wondering whether someone actually thinks you're worth interacting with... like books. And movies. :P Though, I suppose if everyone were able to do this, most of the drama in books and movies wouldn't exist any more.

Which is why it's something I just want for myself... y'all can keep guessing ;P

Magisch

5:30 PM

I would probably become really depressed with how many people just hate my guts but are too polite to say it to my face

Catija

:( That would be crappy if that were the case. I know that no one is liked by everyone but I think that there are lots of people out there happy to tell you how awful you are but not a ton of people telling you that you're awesome.

Magisch

6:18 PM

@Catija I know that there are a bunch of people I know who hate my guts. But I don't know how many and who it is. It's an inevitability when you're as annoying as I am

Catija

6:38 PM

@Magisch You're annoying? I've not found that to be the case.

canon

@Catija You're so polite. :)

Catija

7:29 PM

@canon HA HA. Sometimes. Sure. Depends on who I'm talking to ;)

Also, It was fun to wake up to this today... something cool, for once:

Yes, as @Catija said this IS core Q&A. The problem with Documentation, as you correctly surmised, was that it had zip, zilch, nada, bupkis to do with Q&A. So to argue "this takes focus away from core Q&A" is.. uh.. completely and utterly wrong? If you are reading this and thinking "wow Channels sounds like Documentation" then I urge you to read more harder-er ;) — Jeff Atwood 8 hours ago

Magisch

8:04 PM

@Catija You don't know me long enough to have seen it yet

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Anonymous

May 5 '16 at 19:23, by Ana

Hypothetical question for mods: What would happen if comments were deactivated on your site?

Catija

@JeremyBanks I'm really curious what that would turn up in the TL... :P

Anonymous

@Catija I probably won't use this script (at least as-is) with the TL because that would end up making a local copy of some of its content, which is a no-no. :-)

Catija

@JeremyBanks Oh, I didn't realize it was a script. :(

Anonymous

8:11 PM

I can't query the database directly any more. :P

Catija

We'll just have to poke Adam to do it instead :P

Anonymous

One thing I was always missing from Bonfire (Stack Exchange Chat) was a way to list replies to a message, so I'm working on an interface for that myself.

Anonymous

No Data Explorer for chat.

Catija

That could be interesting... I have to admit I find it somewhat annoying that transcript view doesn't highlight responses at all... It makes it painful to figure out who was saying what to whom.

@JeremyBanks Bonfire? Is it a SE product or something SE built onto themselves?

Anonymous

Bonfire is the internal name for that chat system we're using now, which Stack built themselves. Mostly Balpha, really. ;)

Anonymous

8:23 PM

The name is a reference to the old Campfire chat system from Basecamp (formerly 37signals).

Catija

Ah. Interesting tidbits. :D

rene

Is a mod lock content dispute timed? As in, does it get unlocked automagicaly?

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Catija

@rene Can be. Can also be permanent.

rene

@Catija Ok, does it have a default time?

Anonymous

8:29 PM

The interface default is 1 hour.

rene

OK

Catija

@rene 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week... permanent, are the options.

rene

Thanks

Catija

@JeremyBanks I just actually saw this... wow... That's a question... I think it'd scare me if there were no comments on IPS.

I wouldn't know what to do with all of the free time.

Anonymous

Haha

Anonymous

8:33 PM

Yeah, it's a fitting result to that query.

Anonymous

@Catija Nice to see that Jeff is watching and thinks Channels is on-mission.

Catija

8:51 PM

@JeremyBanks Indeed!

I don't know how much he hangs around any more but it's certainly good to see that he's keeping tabs on recent developments.

Feeds

9:03 PM

Podcast # 121 – Another Ducking Episode

Jess Pardue on November 13, 2017

Welcome to the Stack Overflow Podcast episode #121 recorded Thursday, November 9, 2017 at Stack Overflow HQ in NYC. Today’s crew includes VP of Stack Overflow Jay Hanlon, CTO David Fullerton, News Editor Ilana Yitzhaki, SO Engineering Manager Matt Sherman, and me, Producer Jess. Joel is away getting fitted for gutter-drains and tap dancing shoes!

Special thanks to our sponsors: Oracle and Digital Ocean.

Stack Overflow appreciates Oracle’s support for this podcast and for our community. Learn more about all the ways Oracle supports open source, java, and developers like you at oracle.com/developers. …

canon

lol: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358943/…

That's what Jeff gets for showing up. :P

Anonymous

>_<

rene

What's up with the multiple post notices added / removed within minutes, for example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

Is that just a mod who wants to prevents escalation but handles it within the minute?

I have more cases here.

Catija

@rene Tim needed to post a comment but couldn't because of the lock... so he had to remove the notice and comment and then put it back. here

rene

ah, with a lock also a mod is locked out?

Catija

9:17 PM

@rene Yup. Even the CMs.

rene

That makes sense. You lock so you can assess the situation, then decide on the action, unlock, do what ever actions you decided to do and then lock again.

Catija

Yup.

Shog9

9:29 PM

@rene that's not really true anymore, but probably was at the time.

Catija

So... I wrote a long answer to a faq-proposed question on Friday because the existing very highly voted answer doesn't really do the job of a FAQ... I wrote a new answer because it was starting from scratch and I didn't want to completely obliterate the existing answer... But I think it would be a good addition to the FAQ list now but I'm not sure what to do...

Jake Symons

@rene

rene

@Shog9 but habits don't change easily: stackoverflow.com/posts/41966087/timeline ? :)

Catija

I thought about flagging it since only the CMs can actually make it a FAQ... I don't know if it needs some degree of review before it's made a FAQ...

rene

@JakeSymons Ola \o

@Catija you want me to have a look?

Catija

9:35 PM

@rene If you don't mind: meta.stackexchange.com/a/303118/284336

rene

@Catija I think that covers it nicely. Now we only need a voting mob to down vote the answer of Martijn ;)

Catija

@rene And an upvoting mob to give me some rep before they CW it :P Thanks :D I'm glad it's good.

rene

And why don't you ping Martijn in the TL (or comment under his answer) to discuss it?

He is reasonable after a coffee ....

Catija

@rene To ask if he'd be OK with me editing his answer into mine?

rene

@Catija yeah, I mean the 2 answers don't make much sense

Catija

9:47 PM

Yeah. Most FAQs only have one answer unless they're really long and broken up into sections. I don't think this warrants that treatment.

rene

Martijn is still awake and seems in a good mood ....so ... good luck ;)

Catija

@rene I take it you're seeing him somewhere else?

rene

He just answered on MSO

Shog9

@rene other possibility is that I can still modify locked posts but mods can't and I've forgotten that...

rene

That sounds more plausible

Catija

9:58 PM

@rene Apparently no one knows how the FAQ-proposed --> FAQ process works.

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Q: How does an faq-proposed question become part of the FAQ?

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support meta-faq

canon

Good news, everyone. I'm going to inundate the javascript tag with 30+ answers this week. It will be great and terrible.

rene

@Catija just flag for a mod/CM and make your case

Shog9

@Catija did you read the FAQ?

Anonymous

lol

Catija

@Shog9 It's quoted in that question that I just linked to.

rene

10:02 PM

@canon I'm all set. Thanks.

Catija

> When a post seems to have hit a mature state, it will have faq added by a moderator.

... that's sort of... nebulous.

Shog9

yes, intentionally so

plenty of FAQs aren't actually frequently asked; fewer yet get the sort of thorough treatment that warrants linking them from the main index.

Catija

Well, like I said elsewhere, then... I'll just sit around and wait and hope that I get something close to what Martijn did in upvotes eventually... but FAQs generally only have one answer, so part of my concern is how that gets dealt with.

@Shog9 The entire reason I even added the answer was because someone asked for more detail about the association bonus and linked to that post and the fact that it was lacking in details.

Shog9

@Catija did you flag yet? That step is a bit out of order, but it's kind of a critical step.

you are, of course, free to sit on that step until you're sure your answer is actually useful... and you've had plenty of time to garner rep

Catija

@Shog9 No. Maybe it's wrong of me but I'm being somewhat selfish... if it's not going to get made a faq for another year, seems silly for it to spend all that time as a CW.

Shog9

10:07 PM

One upon a time, this sorta happened naturally: FAQs that attracted a large number of edits would automatically flip into CW mode. Now we gotta fake it.

@Catija no reason to rush. The FAQ process is arguably a bit anachronistic at this point. It's helpful to have a ToC, but given the breadth of topics it's unrealistic to expect an official FAQ for every one of them. See if it's actually necessary first.

The last topic I added to the FAQ was heavily-referenced and the original author was long gone - so kicking it up as a public resource made sense.

rene

the association bonus isn't mentioned in the faq and only brief in the reputation FAQ. Give it 6 to 8 weeks to mature ..

SmokeDetector

11:40 PM

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