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user315433

12:25 AM

!!/hats

user315433

That's it folks.

user315433

Is hunting to eat a human right for tribal peoples? We think so: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/dec/16/respect-human-right-hunt-indigenous-tribes

Tweeted by Survival on January 7, 2017 at 1:46 AM

user315433

Russian may be more verbose, but it doesn't have such parsing issues...

user202362

1:31 AM

Why is my chat still dysfunctioning for certain amount of time everyday? Why am I punished for doing nothing? Are you a sadist who gets please out of bullying nice, sweet kitteh?

user202362

user315433

2:31 AM

user315433

Mathematics reached 1,000,000 answers at the end of last year, but nobody noticed...

SmokeDetector

3:31 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Does opening a credit card account and then closing it sometime later affect your original credit score? by user52142 on money.stackexchange.com

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3:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Email in answer: Visa requirements for Vietnam when flying with Air Asia by Nguyen Phi Yến on travel.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, blacklisted user: Does closing accounts lower one's credit score? by user52142 on money.stackexchange.com

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4:01 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: click here: fitnesseducations.com/lucidal/ by seanquinlan on superuser.com

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4:26 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How did Voldemort learn where the Elder Wand was? by Jeff Posey on scifi.stackexchange.com

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4:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: brainfireadvice.com/earth-leaf-garcinia-cambogia/ by susanhaden on apple.stackexchange.com

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5:22 AM

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5:39 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: what is this LuxDerma? by user683490 on superuser.com

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5:56 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: phytolyft.com/earth-leaf-garcinia-cambogia/ by user640046 on askubuntu.com

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6:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: A Primer In Skin Care by RonalOrtg on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: healthflyup.com/alpha-prime-elite/ by Josefin on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Can I use my wet-vac to shampoo my carpets? by maya61 on diy.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Multiple SEO phrases in the Search Description of a Blogger blog post by Aasha Varshini on webmasters.stackexchange.com

user202362

6:47 AM

Derpy

8:42 AM

@Telkitty just coincidences, kitty, just unlucky coincidences.

SmokeDetector

9:07 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: get more info:fitnesseducations.com/lucidal/ by user176544 on gaming.stackexchange.com

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9:30 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Is an AWCR-20.00MD resonator suitable for my infrared remote controller? by Lumersfly on electronics.stackexchange.com

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9:54 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Rooting android using kingo root by Sweatha honey on android.stackexchange.com

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11:52 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Does Google Analytics have any problem tracking app_offline.htm? by Hexagon InfoSoft on webmasters.stackexchange.com

M.A.R.

12:22 PM

@ArtOfCode heh, busted. Area 51 for the rescue. LOL. — Shadow Wizard 47 mins ago

I remember LanguageLog and how those linguists kept saying ''New untold sentences are being created everyday''.

The only recent downvoted posts are from two confused friends.

jrh

Quick question, is it by design that downvotes remove rep on this site? I can't seem to downvote posts (i.e., to indicate disagreement) anymore.

M.A.R.

And only -9.

jrh

This is kind of weird because other meta sites don't seem to work this way.

M.A.R.

@jrh Downvotes on answers?

Yeah.

jrh

yeah

M.A.R.

12:25 PM

Yeah

Yes

And per site meta don't work this way, yes.

jrh

What's the reasoning behind DV's affecting rep, if I may ask?

M.A.R.

Now that has a mysterious reason.

which means I have no idea.

jrh

If DV's on meta represent disagreement, is there a good reason for only allowing me to disagree a few times before proposing stuff?

M.A.R.

I guess they were too meh to make sure the meta.SE system is like the per site metas.

There have been proposals to change this, esp. after the highly downvoted PSA.

jrh

I mean I guess I can post Meta Q/A but I usually find good Q and A already there

on the meta topics I'm interested in I mean

IMO it's very silly to only let people DV 4 times

M.A.R.

12:29 PM

On meta.SE I found out that you never see the need to post, but if you want to have some fun, it's fun to answer a ''y me get downrates'' and gain some rep if it doesn't get deleted.

jrh

alternatively another fix might be to make it so that there's not a 100 rep limit for downvoting?

I mean I can't even DV questions now

M.A.R.

@jrh 125. Now it's 100?

jrh

yeah

let me get a screenshot

M.A.R.

Oh, that's interesting

So they did . . . do something.

@jrh Well, meta veterans can make up a buttload of philosophical reasons for this, and they have already done something, so I don't think it will be like per site metas any time soon.

For instance, I could argue that once you're made to get around a bit and post something, you'll have a better idea about what to and not to disagree with.

jrh

Screenshot: i.stack.imgur.com/RB64g.png

M.A.R.

12:34 PM

Yah saw it.

meta.stackexchange.com/help/privileges

That's 125 rep in other sites.

jrh

It's probably intentional but I still don't really see the benefit, I've been reading SE sites for a couple years now.

oh well. If I would've known I would have probably saved the DVs for something more important

M.A.R.

It's easy to get rep here though.

Too easy.

You just have to do it. Post something.

It's easy to post answers on discussions.

jrh

I'll keep that in mind, I have nothing worth posting ATM

repeat answers tend to get DVs on other sites

M.A.R.

Well, you can stick around and see some interesting discussions pop up everyday

Answering which only requires having stuck around for a while.

Derpy

12:54 PM

@M.A.R. also know as "join the herd", and for once this was not a MLP reference.

M.A.R.

@Derpy Should I VTC that as NAMLPR?

user202362

1:12 PM

Bart

Awww, poor @Telkitty

Magisch

@Telkitty does most of your life consist of posting cat pictures to chatrooms?

user202362

you are so right, I should make more cat pic apps & make some $ for myself instead

user202362

actually cat pic apps are not too bad for passive income if you don't have a very high standard

user202362

but I posted those pictures because MY CHAT IS STILL STUFFED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS A DAY, courtesy of SE chats

user202362

1:19 PM

it's a form of cyber bullying

user202362

fight the bully, fight for online freedom!

Shadow Wizard

> So basically what was happening was that this account, John Rawls, had this other account Nick Bostrom voting for John Rawls. But rather I know Nick Bostrom so I kept on facebooking him the links to my questions so that I can get an answer.

I wonder how many people sends themselves messages on Facebook....

@Telkitty maybe the bully is... you? :D

user202362

~_~

Shadow Wizard

^_^

Bart

1:42 PM

Tellkitty is trolling Telkitty?

Shadow Wizard

@Bart nah, she's no Shog

Only Shog can troll Shog with one of his Shogs

Magisch

Shog is infinite

There is an infinite number of shogs right now

user202362

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, Jan 3 at 14:59, by Telkitty

I am scared, someone hacked one of my email accounts, changed its password, then paid monthly VPS bill for me ...

user202362

80% confidence it's related ...

user202362

sad thing is that, I am not trolling, 100% serious

M.A.R.

1:53 PM

I read that ''I am sacred''

2

Derpy

2:09 PM

@Telkitty someone stole your account, locked you out and then paid the bills?

M.A.R.

It must've been Billman.

Not the hero Telkitty needs, but the hero she deserves.

user202362

@Derpy hacked the account, locked me out and then paid one bill. yes correct

Derpy

oh, nice, it seems they are doing a Makoto Shinkai movies run at the local cinema. Obviously, they left out Voices of a Distant Star, the one I wanted to see on the big screen. Aren't I lucky?... well, at least I get Your Name.

@Telkitty trying to think of a reason for such behavior, can't think one.

user202362

@M.A.R. you always appear to be very suspicious to me, if you have any inside info, you should just elaborate :p ... any inside info ... any info ... ~_~

user202362

@Derpy play?

Magisch

2:24 PM

@Derpy An aquaintance doing it for giggles

But also not wanting to cause too much grief so they paid a bill to soften the impact

:p

Derpy

@Magisch yep, have your friend experience hacking paranoia for week, then pop up and say "Surprise! I used your pass to make it so it seemed your account was hacked and payed your bill! Happy Birthday!!"

seems a good way to remove a milk teeth

because that is how you would probably end up

Magisch

2:55 PM

@Derpy :D

Derpy

so, anyone ever discovered if @bjb568 old claims about the hats being "public domain" and "free to use" were true?

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty sorry, but you and serious have long since split up.

!!/hats

!!/blame hats

SmokeDetector

3:14 PM

@ShadowWizard It's jrh's fault.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. thing is, everything points in the direction of those "two friends" being one single person.

Maybe with split personality, dunno. Don't really care.

Derpy

3:35 PM

@ShadowWizard Gemini?

Shadow Wizard

3:52 PM

@Derpy DID

I mean, it can happen... I really don't care and don't blame the person, as long as he/she won't vote for their "other self".

devRicher

Why do I need disk space to uninstall programs

Shadow Wizard

@devRicher any program might need space for temporary stuff, whatever is uninstalling other programs isn't different.

devRicher

Does uninstalling stuff really take 320 MB

Derpy

@ShadowWizard oh, does not worry me

Aaron Hall

Heya, what's up?

Derpy

4:03 PM

oh, and btw @sha... check the Cube...

Aaron Hall

I just thought about changing my meta chat profile "about:" to be a plea for a hotness sort, but it's already set up for that.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy cupcake?

Feeds

Say Farewell to Winter Bash 2016!

bluefeet on January 9, 2017

Another year has ended, and with that it's time to put all the hats back in their boxes, Winter Bash 2016 has come to an end! Over past three weeks, we have had ups and downs (err bugs) with hats, but overall it was a massive success. It appeared that there was fun to be had, and, wow, the hats looked hat-tastic on everyone.

devRicher

:(

Shadow Wizard

;(

Aaron Hall

4:05 PM

Farewell to Winter Bash 2016!

canon

My hat! :/

devRicher

Oh nooo...

canon

my golden top hat sit so nicely, slightly askew, upon whatever my avatar is

bluefeet

@Pandya Any reason why? It's not been active for months

You even said

in Familiarity with SE! on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Sep 13 '16 at 6:11, by Pandya

I think there is no people caring or bothering such topic of room! Feel free to Freeze :P @mod

devRicher

Okay um why is my antivirus detecting some SDK as a virus

this is not good

Shadow Wizard

4:15 PM

heh, still there

!!/thisisfine

canon

@devRicher Which SDK?

Derpy

placing my bet on Xcode :P

Pandya

@bluefeet Hello. Actually I wanted to start a room linked in my profile to get and give help on How SE works, help and suggest etc. But had got discouraged when found no one was using them that's why I had written that. No problem @ShadowWizard has explained this issue. I'm planning to get unfreeze anyone room linked in my profile. Thanks for reply

You can read descriptions of those rooms to get more idea about rooms

user315433

5:50 PM

Trello Is Being Acquired By Atlassian

user315433

Looks like it's time to think about moving task management elsewhere...

Shadow Wizard

@zaq what's wrong with Atlassian?

@Pandya her point is that if you won't maintain the room, there's no point to unfreeze it as it would just auto freeze again.

(after one day)

user315433

Being a sibling of the company's flagship product is not an attractive future for Trello.

user315433

See also: non-SO sites development vs SO development.

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya ^

Pandya

6:07 PM

@ShadowWizard I was not aware with 24 hour's limit. Hmm... then I'll consider it (unfreezing) in future. Going to sleep. Good-bye!

Aaron Hall

6:49 PM

I don't think it's 24 hours. I think there's a process that sweeps rooms once daily, if no activity, freezes or deletes as appropriate.

M.A.R.

Hey, welcome to the Tavern Mick

Mick

@M.A.R. Hi, there. What is this place, and more importantly, where is this place?

M.A.R.

@Mick This is the main chat for Meta StackExchange, which is like a mother meta.

Issues that concern more than one SE site can be discussed here.

Mick

@M.A.R. Cool! I'll add it to my ever-expanding list of SE bookmarks. ;-)

Jon Ericson

7:04 PM

@Mick "Second star to the right, and straight on till morning." ;-)

rene

@ShadowWizard Huh? Why do you hammer that with the gravatar dupe?

Jon Ericson

@zaq Joel sent out an (internal) email explaining how this affects Stack Overflow. Summary: it doesn't. We use Trello a bunch here, but mostly because it fits our workflows fairly well.

user315433

7:18 PM

I like Howdy's summary of WP stats: Happy Late New Year! Here's Some 2016 Numbers! by Howdy_McGee on meta.wordpress.stackexchange.com

user315433

Especially because this is the second time he did this, so there are % comparisons to 2015.

M.A.R.

@zaq k

user315433

Incidentally, QuantCast says that WP.SE's percentage of U.S. traffic is 19%. WordPress Development might be the most international of SE sites... (The nearest I could find with quick sampling is Drupal, 21%. SO has 24% U.S. traffic)

M.A.R.

Oh, the number density there is too high for me to bear at this time of the day.

user315433

When numbers get serious - Paul Simon

►

bjb568

7:24 PM

I am at my Linguistics class. It says there are supposed to be 24 students, but there is a huge bunch of students, 10m before class starts.

Biazarre.

Bunch of early undergrad plebs. A bunch of girls too. Interesting.

user315433

Is this a dual enrollment class?

M.A.R.

Interesting? Why?

bjb568

@zaq Yes

@M.A.R. It's like the opposite of a math class.

rene

No other kittens around? That would be interesting.

M.A.R.

Oh, the unusual amount of interest in linguistics as opposed to math?

bjb568

7:26 PM

> KEY TO SUCCESS IN THE COURSE: FOLLOW DIRECTIONS

@M.A.R. Dominance of girls, inclination to show up, etc.

user315433

Yay, live broadcast of a course syllabus.

bjb568

Well, we must make sure everyone knows how to follow directions.

this is like flashback to kindergarten

canon

@bjb568 Attendance in our math classes seemed to correlate with how well the instructor spoke English.

I guess that was true of the hard sciences as well.

rene

@Bart I'll have a beer, you make popcorn?

M.A.R.

@Oddthinking Americans use kcal too, we just call them calories — TheEnvironmentalist 14 hours ago

canon

7:40 PM

@M.A.R. I seem to recall someone publishing a paper about a "Beer and Icecream Diet" which was based on mistaking calorie for Calorie.

M.A.R.

I guess such mistakes are not at all uncommon these days.

canon

@rene Shog really just wanted to say, "Stop being shitty to eachother over this political nonsense. I'm tired of dealing with it."

M.A.R.

Eventually English will lose the capital letters, heh

canon

@M.A.R. you'll have to pry my case-sensitivity from my cold, dead hands!

Bart

@rene oooh popcorn. Now I want some

M.A.R.

7:43 PM

Oh, dude, cold dead hands are an indication of some serious problem.

Go see a canonoptrist.

rene

@canon that was the only point I got out of that post ...

@Bart you're welcome

canon

@rene Exactly. Sure, the sentiment should be applied broadly... but he was just irritated at having to deal with it so he attacked it directly.

rene

I guess we witnessed a Shogian approach to a problem

Bart

Works for me

canon

Years ago, I had trouble maintaining civility in a conversation with an apartheid supporter. You can't just make yourself respect a person or his position. Most of the time, the best I can do is fake it or excuse myself from the conversation.

Shadow Wizard

8:09 PM

@rene wait... oh... the gravatar stuff threw me off. I also wanted to close as dupe of this one instead:

90

Q: Someone contacted me by email but my email is not public

Last week I got an email to my email address saying "I saw on Stack Overflow that you were interested in.." and the content of the question I asked. The email suggested I'll star a bug \ feature request on chromium website. The request is totally legit and I don't mind it at all, my main concern ...

rene

@ShadowWizard sure, sure, sure. Just admit you abused your hammer ;)

Shadow Wizard

The other one was copied too, guess I didn't check when pasting, just had to go :(

So @rene you think the above is proper dupe? It doesn't really ask how to report though, just how it happened

(and answers reveal it's due to Gravatar)

rene

@ShadowWizard no, it is not the correct dupe

Shadow Wizard

oh well

rene

The problem is not: How did they get my email. The question is: what should I do when I'm contacted on email address only used for SE.

user315433

8:17 PM

Add the other party to your spam filter...

user315433

Two elections next week! Christianity and Salesforce

bjb568

There was role call.

She memorized faces.

Learned nicknames.

Still, looks like a good class.

@canon Definitely.

user315433

Faces and preferred names are things that should be in online roster, to be memorized before the first class.

canon

I wish my company had an index of faces/names on the intranet

would make Christmas parties less embarrassing

Hi, guy who's worked here for 10 years and has known my name for 5

Shadow Wizard

@bjb568 what's your nickname in class?

canon

8:26 PM

@ShadowWizard "bjb568", of course

Shadow Wizard

@canon too obvious :D

canon

hah

Shadow Wizard

When I was at school nobody had any "nickname", teacher called everyone by their real, actual, name.

Dunno how it is these days in my country.

rene

If they call you by number you know you're not at school anymore

user315433

Not sure what nicknames mean in bjb's class, I was thinking about cases like "David Jonathan" being in fact Jon, or perhaps "J.D."

Shadow Wizard

8:29 PM

@rene if by phone number then you might be in dating service... ;)

rene

:D

Shadow Wizard

hey 972-50-xxxxxxx you're so nice! :P

rene

@ShadowWizard do you know if there is an MSE post that explains how the roll-up/collapse for recent events of the reputation history page work?

like asked here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/341209/…

bjb568

@zaq You expect technology to be helpful?

Anyway, I'm in Number Theory now. I don't meet prerecs, so it's all the more fun.

Shadow Wizard

9:11 PM

@rene nope, didn't find any

user315433

9:25 PM

@bjb568 Nice. And prerequisites are overrated. They are based on the laughable assumption that students remember something from previous classes they took.

user315433

> The Seventeen or Bust server went down on April, 2016, the server and backups were lost. The project is no longer active. -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_or_Bust

user315433

It was a bust, then.

user315433

> The whitespace in “Stack Overflow” is a tab. -- Matt Sherman at 8:41 AM - 9 Jan 2017

user315433

And Jeff Atwood retweeted that. Does this make the story canon?

user315433

A new post on near-forgotten SF blog! And an interesting one.

user315433

9:38 PM

How Stack Overflow plans to survive the next DNS attack

user315433

> In the beginning, we ran our own DNS on-premises using artisanally crafted zone files

user315433

9:56 PM

Yay, more badges from SO Marketing Department. Introducing the Silver "Census" Badge! by Tim Post on meta.stackoverflow.com

user315433

10:17 PM

> So...Stack Overflow... ...Is it possible to set up notifications to someone when the link they provide to help 404's? -- Alexander The 1st at 2:04 PM - 9 Jan 2017

user315433

I think this used to exist, but a really long time ago.

user315433

But not sure if it ever generated notifications for the OP.

Shog9

11:12 PM

@zaq it did

@AT1ST We had that running for a while, but it's been defunct for about 4 and a half years now. Would be nice. See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214661/can-we-have-a-process-that-will-let-users-know-about-link-rot-in-their-posts/214664#214664

Tweeted by shog9 on January 9, 2017 at 11:12 PM in reply to AT1ST

user315433

Because the script kept timing out and it was easiest to kill it?

Shog9

@zaq don't remember anymore

It was waffles' project, and he left a few months earlier... So without anyone to care for it, I expect it rotted pretty fast

Sorta thing that tends to need regular care.

user315433

I suppose pinging all links in SO answers doesn't scale well.

Shog9

yeah, that was part of it - but they had that solved, I think, or at least scaling reasonably well

I do recall there being a lot of headaches w/ links that redirected (but used the wrong code), sites that required logins, intermittent servers, etc.

So a site would start timing out for a bit at the wrong time & a bunch of folks would get notifications, then it'd be back up by the time they went to check

I think there was some logic to only notify if a link was broken for a while, but... Again, don't really remember anymore

user315433

Yeah, looks like a headache. But maybe doable if notifications are limited to hard-and-fast 404s.

user315433

11:21 PM

In other news, a Board & Card Games pro tem mod is stepping down... reminding us that Pat Ludwig is the longest-serving pro tem mod network-wide (appointed 11/4/2010).

user315433

Over 6 years of "temporary" mod service...

Jon Ericson

In geologic time . . .

user315433

... we are all temporary, right.

user315433