something worth keeping in mind... This was supposed to be fun. I mean, you don't set up a site with a high-score table, badges with fanciful names, etc... If you don't want folks to have fun using it. But nothing is fun all the time.
I've thought about this recently. mSO makes you wonder sometimes the usefulness of it all. But then the content on SO (and especially the content on beta sites/etc) reminds you why you're here.
@hichris123 I made chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1037/chimney and made you an RO; if you're gonna move smokey posts should probably move it there, the sandbox is for formatting tests, it's not really a garbage dump.
@balpha - Hi. Just a small question if you happen to be here. I would like to know the point of view of the staff on the issue. About this, would remarking again that RO aren't supposed to apply their own "point of view" in tolerating thing but instead apply the network policies be wrong? Thanks.
@balpha don't worry - take your time. You can even comment on the answer/question I linked - or even add your own answer if you wish. I feel this is the usual problem "a room can decide its culture and what level of politeness it will tolerate".
As I have stated, I do think that there is no decision for the user since we are consuming a service you offer, and even if one do get "Room Owner" powers he is still bound to act as the greater Be Nice rules define. But since this once again become a discussion point, I would like if some of you staff member could give his/her point of view.
Anyways yeah I dunno. The ReviewTasks table, I was messing with it for a while before, and I just saw way too many things that didn't reflect the actual state of the question.
I should be asleep. I was sleeping, then I shot awake for some reason, and did that involuntary sit-straight-up-wide-eyed thing that I thought only happened in movies. The moment I woke up I distinctly heard my cell phone ring. But it didn't actually ring in real life. I have no idea what happened. It was a weird experience.
So I naturally decided to just binge watch Bleach and mess around on SE metas instead of sleeping.
@hichris123 I once used sending all the broken dishes, empty tea cup and all the rest of the trash we get from serving cupcakes to the Den - we even had a pipe just for that.
On MSE it is a bit different I guess, Not all employees go over the transcript so they might miss it. flag handle rate is not high on MSE but at least it doesn't go unnoticed in that case.
Great chance animuson will handle it and otherwise JNAT
@Shog9 So you've got BobCross making ridiculously irresponsible posts like meta.mechanics.stackexchange.com/a/1642/9884, and you've got Rory who just needs to submit a headshot to have his photo placed in the dictionary next to "nonconstructive" and "hypocrite", moderating on a site he's not even involved in. Got some real winners with diamonds over there. :P
@hichris123 Dude, I don't even know... it's so confusing. All my attempts at being helpful are met with stupidity. I tried my best. I even took one for the team and made an MSE feature request for something I totally don't agree with, and in the midst of getting a bunch of praise for it over there all of a sudden apparently my post turned into some passive-aggressive, awful thing that deserved nothing but criticism.
Well, making a meta post in support of a viewpoint you don't support (probably) intending for that viewpoint to be disagreed with does seem a little passive aggressive...
Rory has this habit of busting out the ad hominem, deleting comments, kicking users, and placing chat bans on folks that call him out on anything. Because that diamond is apparently a free pass to say to people "You're completely wrong because X" then hammer them with site mechanics when they say "Hey wait, X didn't happen..."
@hichris123 Yeah I acknowledged that. I acknowledged it virtually immediately. That's the thing. I even said right off the bat that I tried to be unbiased and really wanted some input.
Then I even asked Rory for input, took it to heart, and edited the post with no complaints.
@JasonC I suppose, but are you honestly telling me that you didn't make the meta post intending for people to shoot it down? I find that a little hard to believe...
@hichris123 No I really didn't. I suspected it would get shot down, but I thought it wouldn't be a problem since I'm the one who would publicly take the heat for it.
@Shog9 It is exactly a technical solution to a social problem. I really don't stand by that feature request or any of the philosophies there.
I was pleasantly surprised by your post that it was already implemented, though.
FWIW, I've played with increasing it before. Doesn't seem to accomplish much. If folks are determined to close things instead of editing, the solution is to get more people editing... Closing them more slowly just means less chance anything gets reopened.
But... It is possible that this might differ for a given audience.
Someone made the point that it can take a bit longer to, say, go out and snap a photo of your engine or whatever.
I'd guess the same might apply for pets or gardening or astronomy
That site seems unique. I am slowly submitting to the fact that I can't really understand it, though, and should probably just keep quiet unless there's an immediate problem.
They're very anti close-vote there. I don't like it, but I don't like it for all these weird overarching systemic and philosophical reasons, the kind that I can never get anybody to understand.
Like e.g. if a person's first experience with SE is MVM&R, and they're inducted to believe that close votes are rude, that kind of sucks, because it's a problem for that user if they discover the other sites. I like consistency.
Even though it may not be a problem on MVM&R itself.
Or the whole "let's not use a well-established site mechanic, created after years of experience, tweaking, and observation of what works on other sites, because we're different" mentality. Can't put my finger on it; couldn't give a concrete argument; but that attitude esp. in [future] mods doesn't sit well with me.
Yeah. I ran the numbers. It was the 8th longest beta.
statistically, most folks' first experience with SE will be SO. Some number of those will end up actually using other sites more though, which tends to lead to small but significant cultural differences.
So yeah. We divvy up these sites by topic, but the open secret has always been that the real divisions are cultural: not what interests do you have, but what group(s) do you claim membership in.
Yeah. Actually it'd be really interesting to do a bit of a sociological analysis on the sites and try to identify key cultural differences and group them that way.
Well whatever, I've doomed myself to never have a constructive conversation again in the Pitstop. And Rory's on the top of my online hate-list at the moment, with Bob at a close second, so nothing good can come of that.
...I say, after Jason has already spent untold hours taking this seriously, up to and including writing a meta post arguing for the option he's against.
In an Abilene paradox a group of people collectively decide on a course of action that is counter to the preferences of many (or all) of the individuals in the group. It involves a common breakdown of group communication in which each member mistakenly believes that their own preferences are counter to the group's and, therefore, does not raise objections. A common phrase relating to the Abilene Paradox is a desire not to "rock the boat." This differs from groupthink in that the Abilene paradox is characterized by an inability to manage agreement.
== Explanation ==
The term was introduced...
^ My big takeaway is to never suggest doing something I don't want to do - just in case everyone else is dysfunctional enough to want to do it.
@rene You little db wizard, you. Question: You know how you can have multiple result sets on sede? Is there a way to set up some temporary table that is visible to multiple statements? For example, this does not work:
WITH x AS (...)
SELECT ... FROM x;
SELECT ... FROM x;
Because x is only part of the first statement, and goes away for the second.
Nevermind, nailed it:
SELECT ... INTO #x;
SELECT ... FROM #x;
SELECT ... FROM #x;
temp tables are great for performance if you have some slow-to-gather data that you need repeatedly, even if you are gonna end up with a single set of results at the end. CTEs don't seem to be optimized very well.
I'm excited, I recently found out chronicprocrastination.org is a thing. In all seriousness, there's hope. I should probably follow some of the advice. Also please do not cite this comment if I ever apply for a job at SE.
Reasons to hire: - can probably keep Pete company with woodworking talk Reasons to not hire: - http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/230261?tab=recent
In all seriousness I've been thinking about applying. I don't have a concrete resume though. But the freelance work has been eating away at me, even though I get to do a lot of cool stuff. I already told my biggest client that I'm dropping him to find a more stable career, so I'm kind of already committed to a workplace path.
It'll be super weird but nice to get back into a corporate structure.
And SE HQ is a single 20 minute train ride from my apartment... and I've got no other ideas if I want to stay in NYC.
I had some small tastes of Ohio living in Pittsburgh.
The border is a really fun drive late at night though. I used to joy ride up route 11 a lot. There's a ton of open road and interesting industrial areas.
4 lanes through the mountains with no traffic and no cops. It's glorious.
And weirdly it seemed to help. I was skeptical, but desperate. My life is heading down that guy's path.
But it's actually a really on-point strategy.
And surprisingly manageable, it manages to defeat the intense "procrastinate solving the procrastination" meta problem.
I've actually gotten more work done in the past 7 days than I have in the past 6 months, and feel legit good about it.
It comes down to training, I realized. The tool I've always been missing is the ability to focus on long term rewards, and hyperfocusing on the short term. I didn't realize how severe that was or how it was related.
So I'm working on it, very consciously. With slow but steady success.