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Quill

12:09 AM

I was quite surprised to see a valid chat flag for once.

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12:45 AM

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Quill

sd k

> Vlad Bogdan

JamesENL

Ahoyhoy

Quill

Senior Front End Developer - Coolest Company for Women…

Envato

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Modern Tech Stack (React, Redux, Webpack, Ruby/Rails) & established, growing dev team Exciting…

Posted on Stack Overflow Careers on June 30, 2016

Just tack awards on to your job title why don't you

hichris123

@Quill vladhackworld is a very legitimate email address.

Quill

A Kik account? I'm almost tempted to message them for shits and giggles

JamesENL

12:53 AM

@Quill, if they are on kik they must be moonlighting as a rentboi service

hichris123

> Flexible Work (most people work from home up to four days per month)

Very flexible. Up to 4 days a month.

Quill

I didn't know the Programmers queue got so big

meatball

morning.

Quill

I wonder whether Vlad has a "montage training" option where you get all the experience through a quick little montage

hichris123

Aww, poor Vlad's post was deleted.

Quill

1:00 AM

Maybe all this spamming of SE was a really elaborate way for them to get a site dedicated to their content (Metasmoke)

if the idea of spamming is to get it on the internet, then they're succeeding

hichris123

But it's not indexed by Google, so unless you find the URL...

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bjb568

Gahd, we haven't accomplished anything in 2 days after trying to merge the react and non-react codebases.

I'm silently switching master branch back to vanilla. I'm going to work on the project myself. My colleges have fully demonstrated they are incapable of creating functionality.

JamesENL

That's dangerous

bjb568

They can't do a thing.

I'll be fine.

user248725

Famous last words, along with "Hold my beer"

Quill

ffs, my superior just assigned me a form fix on a page, and then went and redesigned the entire page layout and structure right before I made my PR

user248725

2:05 AM

...wow

user248725

#rude

Quill

on a side note, I'm probably going to get told not to come to work for some of this week because my colleagues won't assign me issues

user248725

...intentionally or what?

Quill

Kinda, there's work to do, but they want to do it all themselves, so I get all the small shit tasks

user248725

Ah

user248725

2:07 AM

Talk with your boss, ask if you can do more cool stuff

Quill

Or even worse, I end up getting assigned a really broad task with no spec that's supposed to take anyone who doesn't have "senior level experience" a few weeks

@QPaysTaxes he's one of said "people who want to do it themselves" and the only other bosses I have don't really understand the development processes

user248725

So post on Workplace.SE

Quill

About the only response I'd get from TWP would be "politely tell them to fuck off"

I'd really like a decent job where I don't get shit on

11

A: How to politely decline a job responsibility?

This is a great case of being your own worst enemy. I've done everything from clean graffiti off of road signs to project management at a prestigious financial firm. If you want to get off what you consider "grunt duty" or some other derisive term, here is my advice. Work hard Work well Work ...

> If you want to get off what you consider "grunt duty" or some other derisive term, here is my advice.
...
- Understand that as the newbie, you WILL be disrespected. Suck it up, toughen up, and get the job done

meatball

Just when I want to say "suck it up".

Quill

I don't expect that I'm magically going to get good jobs, I just get annoyed when my work is treated with such insignificance that I have to redo hours of work from scratch because someone thought they'd change it

user248725

2:18 AM

Talk with the person who did it then?

user248725

Or push your commit anyway and say "I was explicitly told to make this change by [x], please talk with them"

Quill

it's the same person

user248725

...So ask them what's up

user248725

"You told me to make this change, then before I could commit it you totally wiped everything I was working on."

meatball

Happens every time in real life.

user248725

2:23 AM

Never happens to me

user248725

The benefits of being the only developer :)

meatball

I wish that too :)

Quill

3:59 AM

Made a 10oz burger with cheese, bacon, fried onions, tomatoes, homemade mayo and fry sauce! https://t.co/uYSwd5ViDh

Tweeted by jc4p on July 5, 2016 at 2:41 AM

Quill

4:10 AM

sd k

hichris123

4:20 AM

@Quill That's... just too much.

Your elections are weird, @Quill.

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JamesENL

sd 2k

Quill

@hichris123 In what sense?

hichris123

@Quill That the results aren't even known days afterwards.

Quill

I suppose that makes the government lazy

hichris123

4:30 AM

And I still don't understand why the election occurred -- it looks like it wasn't a regularly scheduled election.

Quill

@hichris123 it was a regularly scheduled election?

JamesENL

@hichris123 it occurred because the guy in charge wasn't happy with the Senate that wouldn't bow down to him, and made his job of offering the 1% an easier life, actually difficult. So he called an election to try to get rid of them, but then forgot to notice that half the populace hated what he was doing.

So now we're in the situation where neither major party has a majority, and an even worse senate, because now Pauline Hanson has a platform to spew her disgusting agenda from

Quill

you sound like my mother

hichris123

See, this is why I said weird, @Quill ^^. :P

Quill

@hichris123 and Donald Trump is any better? ;p

hichris123

4:35 AM

Eh, this is just a normal election circus. It's called silly season for a reason. :P

tchrist

@bjb568 You aren't a very nice person, are you?

Quill

@tchrist Ninjas just work alone

tchrist

Because they have already taken everyone else out.

He just sounds very frustrated.

Quill

Oh hey, the latest podcast is kinda live

github.com/StackExchange/stack-blog/blob/master/_posts/…

hichris123

Well, bjb is a vanilla kind of person. So when you introduce libraries... bjb would be frustrated.

Quill

4:44 AM

silly SO bloggers, they don't seem to understand commit histories :)

user202362

sneaky ninja cat is sneaky

user202362

hichris123

@Quill Next podcast... hmm... I notice I haven't gotten an answer to my live-streaming question. :P

Quill

> recorded Tuesday June 28th at Stack HQ!

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Quill

4:54 AM

sd k

JamesENL

sd k

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Quill

sd 2k

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Quill

5:26 AM

sd k

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Quill

sd k

@SmokeDetector k

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Quill

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Quill

@SmokeDetector k

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Quill

sd k

no site milestones :(

oh hey @Bookend, your review audit detector doesn't remove the colour of the audit once you finish that audit item (On Programmers, at least)

user315433

[status-wont-fix] I don't even use it...

Quill

6:14 AM

@Bookend alright

JamesENL

6:32 AM

sd k

Whoop whoop break the pattern!

Nightwish- Wishmaster

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JamesENL

sd k

Quill

JamesENL

I saw that. It's shit like that that make me cry

So pointless. Just throw your vote away

Quill

The other three I saw probably aren't acceptable for chat

JamesENL

I saw one voting Jon Snow as King

Quill

7:00 AM

yeah, I also saw that one

JamesENL

FFS...... outinperth.com/bernardi-calls-go-slow-move-plebiscite/… How the hell did this guy get returned?

I would love to see Bernardi thrown out

Shadow Wizard

@Quill what's that?

Quill

Funniest Milk Ad Ever! (Australian)

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user202362

8:05 AM

user202362

wtf

TIPS

@Telkitty Tom and Jerry

user202362

Jerry is a mouse not a dog :p

TIPS

There was a dog in Tom and Jerry.

Bart

Mouse, chihuahua, close enough

Derpy

8:08 AM

Clearly Altair Cat in training.

Assassin's Kittens!

►

TIPS

Social groups

Animal GIF dump

user202362

Love de dog as long as meh iz biggah

Bart

8:24 AM

animalsbeingdicks.com

Shadow Wizard

!!/report parenting.stackexchange.com/a/26485/2513

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Quill

Physics is awesome. http://bit.ly/29jySdq https://t.co/EuoZJ47ipz

Tweeted by zamosta on July 5, 2016 at 5:19 AM

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user315433

8:41 AM

@SmokeDetector f

rene

9:09 AM

Now I wonder why @bart is salvaging images of unicorns ....

Bart

Saw that link in the side-bar, noticed the image was gone, and it was easy enough to salvage ... OKAY OKAY, I'M PROCRASTINATING. SHUDDUP

rene

\o/

I broke the glasses ...

Derpy

Counter-Procastination: it is really needed to post carton-like gore for illustrating an answer to "Why did I just gain +70 rep?" or can I flag that as offensive in the first place?

Bart

@rene tis but a scratch

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rene

9:16 AM

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Bart

@Derpy you can flag however you want

Derpy

@Bart Oh, trust me... I am aware of that. What I am also aware though is that probably no one else care (Oh, look! Blood! Funny!), mods included , and I prefer collecting ponies plushies over declined flags.

So, I will annoy you with my rants instead

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Bart

9:49 AM

@Derpy yay

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Shadow Wizard

@Derpy but declined flags are cheaper....

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Derpy

10:28 AM

@ShadowWizard Can you hug the declined flag?

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Quill

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10:46 AM

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Derpy

My eternal nemesis... fish -_-'

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Bart

11:28 AM

@Derpy nemefish?

Quill

Are there any meta posts about avoiding the problem of people being bored by site content, particularly in relation to seeing the same crappy questions on SO

Bart

Sounds like eternal September

Shadow Wizard

11:45 AM

@Derpy of course. Bit rough on the edges, but when you come to know him it's really fun. :D

@Quill you mean incentive for high rep users?

user315433

@Quill Not that I know of. But there's a relevant chat-monologue from not long ago.

user315433

SO wants fewer questions

May 28 at 2:03, 18 minutes total – 83 messages, 5 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 40 secs ago by Bookend

Quill

@ShadowWizard yeah, kinda

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Derpy

@ShadowWizard I think I will keep the Fluttershy one.

Quill

11:59 AM

@Bookend meh, it's somewhat relevant but not what I'm going for

some of the regulars on Code Review are suffering from no longer having graduation as a goal

they aren't motivated to answer any more and voting is down which makes that even worse

user315433

The cure seems to be: do something else.

Quill

They're trying to find a goal instead I'm arguing we don't need a goal

user315433

Finding a goal is a good idea. Mine is collecting Marshal and Constituent badges.

Quill

Finding individual goals is fine, but they want a group goal

that they can feature on meta, and all talk about and star in chat

and that they can mentally correlate to their rep inboxes

user315433

Get N pageviews in a month on Quantcast?

Quill

12:05 PM

Meh, they want N% of unanswered questions (it's posted in our chatroom daily by the bot)

in The 2nd Monitor on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 51 mins ago, by Quill

for most groups to work, they need an enemy. they need an enemy to rally against and to work together to defeat. Our enemy was bad site health blocking graduation. We defeated that enemy, and now our group is bored without a new enemy

Having an immediate enemy is only going to win their attention and motivation in the short term

user315433

CR power users indeed seemed fixated on graduation more than anyone else on the network.

user315433

There's an overlooked post, hidden by the question having -13 score...

user315433

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A: Place answers into demilitarized zone instead of 5 minute grace period

Growing up, a good portion of my summer (and spring, and fall...) was spent helping out in my family's rather large garden. Most of this involved rather tedious, repetitive labor. So to stave off boredom, we made up games to go along with it. "Fastest to finish hoeing a row of corn", "Most peas ...

Quill

That is a very nice answer

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user315433

But generally, I don't think there's a cure for boredom better than "do something else". I got bored of [matlab] questions and dropped that tag from my filter; then got bored of [google-apps-script] and dropped it too. Same with sites: nowadays I answer math questions only occasionally. Perhaps CR regulars would like to contribute to PPCG for a change?

user202362

maybe just stay in chats like me

user202362

we parasites are happy

user202362

😂

Zoltán Schmidt

hy guys

is there a chat room where I can talk about Q&A proposals?

I have an idea but wouldn't start a proper A51 proposal until I get responses

user315433

12:41 PM

Area 51

General discussion for area51.meta.stackexchange.com

Zoltán Schmidt

thx

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user315433

That said, most successful proposals bring audience from outside SE, so asking SE users about them is neither necessary nor sufficient.

user202362

I must repent - I keep on thinking about hotline bling song with a really fat lady singing 'I feel so much love, bench, when you hold my butt.'

bjb568

I got double 5s on AP Physics, after taking a total of less than a semester of Physics classes in my life. You proud of me, @book? :D

I know it's not complex analysis or differential geometry, but I'm moving in the right direction anyway.

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12:55 PM

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user315433

Not sure why specifically I would be proud... Physics does lead into differential geometry eventually, with curvilinear coordinates arising already in analytical mechanics and then all the curvature stuff in general relativity

user315433

But the AP stuff is mostly algebra with units, isn't it?

user315433

> The broader Stack Exchange Network has expanded to cover topics as diverse as Mathematics, Home Improvement, Statistics, and English Language and Usage. stackexchange.com/about

user315433

Choosing four sites to show how diverse the topics are, they included both math and stats.

user202362

1:11 PM

high school maths and physics are easy

user202362

1:22 PM

If you compare high school maths to a chicken, then uni maths, especially advanced maths stuff (I was always on advanced level) must be like a T-rex. They are related, just one 10000+ times more deadly and furious than the other.

bjb568

@Bookend Physics C is physics with calculus.

The test wasn't that hard, but the actual course material scratches into describing the world in the language of algebra and changy stuff. So there's basically the dumb version (Physics 1 & 2) which is algebra with units, and the less dumb version (C) which is basically an intuition on systems of differential equations with units.

Specifically, we covered forces and fields and potential and stuff (with Calc III vectory stuff basically), circuits with LTI system sort of stuff, energy, maxwell equations.

I think my Physics teacher went pretty far beyond what is needed for the actual AP exam, which isn't a lot. So it's good that I took the class and got a sample of interesting Physics stuff.

user315433

@bjb568 That's nice. Both Calc III and the potentials/fields stuff make a lot more sense when considered together.

bjb568

Especially nice since I didn't bother to take Calc III by itself :p

user202362

1:38 PM

starter calculus goes hand in hand with distance/velocity/acceleration

bjb568

Yeah, we did a lot of that when I took calc.

user315433

2:24 PM

So, Area 51 gives 50 rep for verifying one's email address, and that's enough to chat in all SE rooms. Don't let the spambots find out...

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user202362

That's a very intelligent thing to say because this is a public chat

bjb568

3:14 PM

@tchrist One of them thinks so declaratively that he thinks he can solve the halting problem by "looking at all the variables and what will happen to them". "Can't humans solve the halting problem?" "No, it's literally impossible." "Oh, the variables can be really complicated." "Yes." "So a computer should be able to figure out what all the variables do." "Sigh".

I declare that the answer to the halting problem is a ~~function~~ class that solves the halting problem.

He also visibly appears disgusted when I talk about randomness.

"No, it's fine, the probability of that thing happening in gameplay where little would happen and likely nobody would notice is negligible." "Uuuuuugh, but then it's all random. What if it happens?" "The chance is like really low. Look, I'll show you the math. [something like 0.4^30 chance of bad thing]" "But it's all random! Why don't we just use my version [made in React] that doesn't do that?"

It was about the time an animation would fire. The probability of the power going out and our game ending is greater than the probability of a small animation failure.

Kids these days…

TIPS

Yay for workplace rant

user202362

3:34 PM

bjb's colleagues must love him dearly ...

TIPS

Just as much as we love him.

Writes @BJB a love letter

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user202362

I remember there was a virus/malware email with title 'I love you'

Andy

@Telkitty From 16 years ago

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4:15 PM

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tchrist

@bjb568 How lucky he is then that he is yet to experience the bliss of enlightenment when he finally comes across the proof. Think of this like you would the pleasant opportunity to introduce someone to one of your favorite authors, one previously unbeknownst to that person.

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Aaron Hall

5:12 PM

@ppperry - you edited most of the other answers' code to include information from my answer below. If you want to add code here, please write your own answer. I have rolled the edits back. None of them are community wikis - only the original authors should edit code in them. "When should I make edits to code? Don't change the code logic or functionality". — Aaron Hall Jun 30 at 23:35

Feeds

Podcast #71 - A Bunch of Bald Yaks

Abby T. Miller on July 5, 2016

Welcome to the Stack Exchange Podcast, recorded Tuesday June 28th at Stack HQ! Today's podcast is brought to you by Eugene McCarthy for President, as well as by IBM. Try the new IBM Cloud Tools for Swift. New this week: one of those two sponsors is a real live sponsor. Bet you can't guess which one! Anyway, your hosts today are joined by Daniel X. Moore and Gareth Wilson from the HyperDev team at Fog Creek Software.

tchrist

@Shog9 I'm picking several cups of black raspberries a day now; it's their peak for me, right on schedule. And I have a potted heirloom tomato on the upstairs balcony that's 78" tall which I got on Memorial Day.

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TIPS

@Feeds So Podcasts are still a thing?

meatball

@AaronHall uh, I'm not sure that ping reached that said user, because the question had never been edited by them.

@Feeds Should I start listening to the podcat from the beginning?

Aaron Hall

5:27 PM

I was wondering why I didn't have tab completion on him.

TIPS

Heh

meatball

@AaronHall Editor (and close-voter) is not included on the tab completion, but still can be pinged on that post.

TIPS

Thank God close voters don't show up in autocomplete.

Aaron Hall

This is yet another instance where I provide a new, better answer to an old question, and earn upvotes at a rate much higher than even the accepted answer, but my answer remains buried because of votes that took place 6 years ago. In this case, this (well-meaning) goofball decided to edit my answer into the other answers. :(

It's a problem that will only be exacerbated over time.

Votes need to age out.

A new vote is a much stronger signal than an old vote.

user248725

Entirely unrelated, I just got a text that says this:

user248725

5:40 PM

> when you get home from taco bell and you realize it was a mistake youtu.be/vOs8giC8hGk?t=35m16s

Aaron Hall

I don't recall ever having a taco bell "mistake".

user248725

I've never been

Aaron Hall

I mostly frequented Taco Bell as a teenager. It was a franchise owned by some local doctors. To tie it back in to the current discussion - my information, like those votes, is very old, and perhaps a weaker signal.

user248725

Actually I was trying to change the subject

Aaron Hall

So if you chose to visit Taco Bell, you could provide new information, which we might weight more than my prior experiences.

meatball

5:45 PM

What is Taco Bell? Does it ring?

user248725

The problem with weighting votes differently over time is that while old votes represent old information, the new information might well be identical, and there's no way to say "I still like this answer the most"

user248725

@meatball Taco Bell

Aaron Hall

If we still like the old answer as the best answer, it will get more votes over time anyways, and still be ranked higher.

user248725

But then you have to correct for the fact that questions lose visibility as they get older, and people aren't likely to scroll down to read more than a certain amount, and it gets really complicated really fast

Tuvia

Hi all

user248725

5:48 PM

I tried to do something like that once and... failed.

Tuvia

Did I tag this right?

user248725

@Tuvia Hiya!

Tuvia

0

Q: The ads for StackOverflow jobs are misleading

I just saw this ad on SuperUser: And it directed me to http://stackoverflow.com/jobs/why-jobs?utm_source=superuser.com&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=candidates-add-cv&utm_content=sb-launch-yourself This is not the first ad I have seen that looks like an ad for Stack Overflow, but misleadingly ...

@QPaysTaxes Hi hi

user248725

@Tuvia If you didn't, the tags will be misleading, which fits the theme quite nicely.

Aaron Hall

@QPaysTaxes ???? please explain the problem.

rene

5:50 PM

@Tuvia I don't believe they are community ads

user248725

@AaronHall ...Servers are limited in their capacity and adding functionality that doesn't actually improve anything would be a waste of resources that could otherwise be directed towards [insert better things here]?

user248725

I dunno if that's valid reasoning, hence the ?

user248725

They might have server power to spare

TIPS

@QPaysTaxes April fool jokes

user248725

@JonEricson You mind if I bug you for input on that wall of text ^

user248725

5:52 PM

@TIPS And hats

meatball

@rene tag fixed.

rene

@meatball yep, you write an answer?

Aaron Hall

FUD about SO's resources is pretty lame. crunchbase.com/organization/stack-exchange

meatball

@rene nah... no clue what to answer.

Jon Ericson

@QPaysTaxes I don't like weighting new votes heavier than old votes. I'd prefer something like Wilson score ranking which better accounts for downvotes.

Aaron Hall

5:55 PM

@JonEricson why are old votes as important as new votes?

user248725

@AaronHall That system doesn't say that.

user248725

The gist of it is that, based on the early voting pattern, you predict how many votes it'll get over the same amount of time as the other has been around

user248725

So if, say, yours is predicted to get more votes than the other if it happened to last that long, your answer goes above it.

Aaron Hall

Why are votes made when a Question was "hot", 8 years ago, as important as someone's vote who is carefully reading all of the available answers today, and upvoting a lowly ranked new answer?

user248725

At the same time, if it's predicted that you'll get 10 more upvotes but 20 more downvotes, yours goes below, because the overall score is lower.

Jon Ericson

5:57 PM

@AaronHall I don't know if they are or not. But that's a much more difficult problem given the wide range of questions. Sometimes an answer might get new downvotes when it really should be edited. ("Before version 1.83, you had to . . . ")

user248725

@AaronHall Because as soon as you start trying to correct for popularity biases, you run into a statistical nightmare hell

Aaron Hall

You need a way to elevate great new answers.

user248725

'least it was hell for me when I tried. Admittedly, I don't have the resources of SE

user248725

@AaronHall Bounties?

Aaron Hall

Bounties are nice because they make the answer stick out (if a reader cares to pagedown enough), but they are so infrequent as to not even matter.

user248725

6:00 PM

True

user248725

They'll also attract more attention for the question, though

user248725

And with the reason "I'm rewarding [this] great answer" it tends to draw some attention there :P

Aaron Hall

Again, so infrequent as to not even warrant discussing.

How do you elevate great new answers?

Jon Ericson

@AaronHall Do you have an example?

user248725

@AaronHall I was suggesting you use bounties with a custom message pointing out the answer. Unless its your own answer, in which case... I dunno. Hope people see it?

Aaron Hall

6:03 PM

Most of my posts with upvotes > 10. I found a new user that seems to be following my strategy better than I am, but I don't recall at the moment.

rene

@meatball I tried, waiting for better responses

Aaron Hall

I'm at the point where I rarely use SO for Python, though I usually do read all the answers when I'm earnestly searching for one - but I never bounty the Question to reward the answer, and even if I did, it would do little to help those who don't like to pagedown (and I sense most don't).

meatball

Not sure if my memory serves right, but SO Careers ads were easier to distinguish than SO Jobs'.

Aaron Hall

The premise of the site is "The Best Answers Rise to the Top" - and this is in the vast majority of cases untrue in the case of new answers (see my top two answers for counter examples, but they are the exception, not the rule, and the prior accepteds were egregiously inferior).

Also, they are the exception because the original Asker (OP) chose to unaccept a prior answer. Expecting OP's to stick around for the life of the site to reassess accepts is unrealistic, and places too much power in the hands of a single user whose content is intended to be the canonical target for duplicates.

Andy

That sounds like two different issues though. If the community has selected a question as the canonical dupe target, they should be picking one with an answer they agree is good. If they are picking questions with bad accepted answers, that should be addressed.

Aaron Hall

6:16 PM

My opinion is that after a year, the accepted answer should float with the rest of the answers, and users should be able to rank by recency of votes.

Andy

The other issue is your aging votes

user248725

What happens if an answer is the best one at the time but becomes outdated?

Aaron Hall

My answers were as good before they were accepted as they were after they were accepted, but the rate of upvotes increased as much as or more than 10-fold.

@QPaysTaxes That's a major reason we should rank by vote recency.

user248725

Sorry, meant to reply to Andy's point about picking a good canonical answer

Aaron Hall

Ranking by vote recency will allow new current answers to supplant old ones.

Spolsky's and Atwood's ideas about pinning the accepted answer and ranking by total votes was good when the site was a year old. But now the site is approaching a decade in age.

Andy

6:21 PM

@QPaysTaxes Update it? Make it a wiki and update it? My assumption here is that it isn't the target of a handful of dupe questions but is a true canonical target, so it's been maintained by either the original author or the community over time.

user248725

Oh, I see

Aaron Hall

@Andy we stopped converting heavily edited answers to wikis for good reasons. We're not going back in that direction.

user248725

@AaronHall We stopped converting to wikis under some circumstances for good reasons.

user248725

Community wikis are still good for things that should be managed by the community.

TIPS

Trying to get in the conversation but I have no idea what we're talking about.

Andy

6:23 PM

I'm not saying make it automatic. I am saying, pick canonical dupe targets that are maintained over time.

Aaron Hall

@QPaysTaxes show me a great example of that. Here's a counterexample - python can barely keep this one up to date: stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python

meatball

@TIPS it's about Taco Bell.

TIPS

@meatball Oh

Taco Bell is a nice guy.

user248725

@AaronHall That one about PHP syntax errors.

user248725

I can't find a link offhand

Aaron Hall

6:30 PM

The problem with community wiki's being the top answer, and why you don't see them, is no one owns or has an incentive to own keeping it up-to-date.

user248725

Except, you know, wanting to help people

Aaron Hall

My unaccepted answers, I have an incentive to curate them and continue improving them. I only curate my top two accepted answers because that's what got them accepted in the first place, and I don't want to lose that.

Shog9

user248725

@Shog9 I didn't realize this was a reply at first and wondered how this related to the discussion XD

Aaron Hall

Perhaps a parable about curating gardens and the tragedy of the commons would be good...

Here we go: arlnow.com/2011/02/28/…

rene

6:36 PM

Well @adam thanks for your answer... because the OP is not going to give you that appreciation I guess....

user248725

What was the question?

rene

something about saying thank you to the community ...

Aaron Hall

"Where can I provide site feedback?" because grateful...

rene

Whatever you do, don't delete your question ....

user248725

Ah

TIPS

6:41 PM

@rene Screenshot pleasepleaseplease

rene

@TIPS there you go i.sstatic.net/4oyoB.png

user248725

That's pretty funny

TIPS

@rene The other day I spotted "thanks on advanced". Very tempted to thank the SO team with that phrase.

BRB heading to "contact them".

Shadow Wizard

@rene @Adam isn't pingable here :/

@TIPS well, I prefer "thanks in adventure".

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, still the credits are due....

user248725

6:56 PM

@ShadowWizard Thanks of advice

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