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user315433

12:02 AM

The salary calculator blog post was apparently such a hit that its author, Joe Humphries, got promoted to Executive Team from People. Write more blogs, People people.

user315433

Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.

hichris123

@zaq So I can't make fun of bjb for not knowing stuff? :(

Is kicking okay?

bjb568

:o

Aaron Hall

1:34 AM

@hichris123 This isn't Python.

apnorton

1:55 AM

@Undo How did you get the training data for smokey at the start? I'm trying to develop my own bot for Math.SE based on my voting data, but I'm running into problems with downloading deleted questions...

(Related meta question: meta.stackexchange.com/q/285392/201314 )

hichris123

@AaronHall Not getting the reference...

user315433

@hichris123 Python chat room. Lots of kicking.

Aaron Hall

in Python on Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 15 at 4:02, by Aaron Hall

in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 1 hour ago, by Shog9

Trivia: Python kicks more than any other room

Undo

2:11 AM

@apnorton We just started writing regexes

user315433

I suggest (request) that the license of code in Code Review contributions be changed to MIT. Sounds vaguely familiar.

Shog9

oh, goody

I'll... pass that along, thanks

JamesENL

2:57 AM

I'm not sure if I should be concerned or not

That's one company BJB can't interact with

Context: That's an advert on SO

bjb568

Consenting adults? I checked the site, it doesn't look that fishy.

Night!

Aaron Hall

Python changed the documentation verbiage from "consenting adults" to "responsible users" - github.com/kennethreitz/python-guide/issues/525

user202362

3:37 AM

I see many zaq apparences when I am (almost completely) away - similar to rat plague that you would observe when cats (& other predators) are absent. Coincidence? I think not!

Aaron Hall

When the Telkitty's away, the mice will play? Eh?

user202362

Not all internet kitties are the same </implied_shameless_self_promotion>

Jamal

5:00 AM

Free flags!

Jamal

5:28 AM

Really?

user202362

5:49 AM

@Shog9 I read that to be 'Answers to stupid questions must be less than 32 characters'

SmokeDetector

6:51 AM

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Derpy

8:16 AM

@Shog9 btw, do they expect us to use the "security questions" as actual questions with real answers? Like "please, input some info here other people knowing you may guess easily"? Every time a service has me input a "security question", the answer is yet another sequence of gibberish characters....

SmokeDetector

9:30 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Weighlifting shoes for a beginner by Andrea on fitness.stackexchange.com

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10:30 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is it bad that my porcelain tiles were stored outside in the rain? by Manish Panjari on diy.stackexchange.com

Derpy

10:45 AM

Seriously thinking to silently replace the "Sorry, something went wrong" default error page with "Sorry, I don't know what went wrong" on the SharePoint server....

Bart

Just replace it with "What did you do? This is why we can't have nice things"

hichris123

→ 34 messages moved to Chimney

Derpy

@Bart I have my own reasons for the original version I proposed

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: "Filename or extension too long" for move, but it isn't by Stepan on superuser.com

Derpy

-3

Q: how can these links works

how can any one make the contextual links like this... <a href="http://printablecalendartemplates.com/printable-calendars-2017-holidays/">2017 calendar</a> <a href="http://printablecalendartemplates.com/printable-calendars-2017-holidays/">calendar 2017</a> <a href="http://printablecalendar...

support

^ does this prove it may be a good idea to disable the support for code snippets on the main meta?

user315433

11:50 AM

Only if the goal is to have unformatted code dumps instead of formatted ones.

user315433

Stack Overflow now has an official blog: Code For a Living (did I miss a memo about it?). Two posts so far, both by a "Content Writer at Stack Overflow", and are as enthralling as that job title might suggest.

Magisch

@zaq i can't find this author's name in the SO staff list

Derpy

A.... SELF ANSWERED PROGRAMMING QUESTION on META??

-10

Q: How to convert whole sentence of string into one value of the list using python?

Example: How are you. i want the output like ['how are you'] in the list format i dont want output like ['how', 'are', 'you'] and i dont want output in string format. Please help me

discussion support

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe...."

Magisch

This is meta.SE. You're pretty far off from where you should have asked this, which is stack overflow. But currently your question is really bad for stackoverflow, so please read How to Ask there first before asking. — Magisch 21 secs ago

Derpy

12:48 PM

I think have discovered what was SE plan to have chat users follow the be nice policy.

Magisch

Whats that?

Derpy

they are trying to make us fall asleep by boredom.

Magisch

ritual pony sacrifice?

Derpy

(trad: @Bart do something. Entertain us. It was your purpose in the first place. )

Bart

Derpy

1:09 PM

Next one, please.

SmokeDetector

1:50 PM

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SmokeDetector

2:40 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Can no longer copy or move files by Jack on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, blacklisted user: How to quickly determine whether a given natural number is a power of another natural number? by Wall Painting Ideas on mathoverflow.net

user202362

2:58 PM

Ask internet chat people to be nice is like to ask a priceless item to be priced less

user202362

not really but kinda ...

Bart

Are you calling me priceless? Awwww

user202362

it's like making a mirage your concept, then try to bring that concept into reality ...

user202362

@Bart I am calling you an item

Bart

@Telkitty generally people are more specific and call me a tool

Derpy

3:02 PM

replace the first "o" with an "r" and you got it :P

user202362

very few tools are priceless

Derpy

You may try dropping your axe in the pond back there. Maybe a fairy Shog will emerge from the water and offer you a priceless golden one.

user202362

I can't possibly imagining putting fairy and shog into the same picture, although it might work if you mistyped the word fairy but you really meant hairy :x

Derpy

that would be another one

Jason Punyon ♦, Buffalo, NY

9.4k 23 43

careers status-completed bug support feature-request discussion data-explorer

user202362

You may try dropping your axe in the pond back there. Maybe a fairy Shog will emerge from the water and offer you a priceless golden one.

user202362

3:09 PM

You may try dropping your axe in the pond back there. Maybe a hairy Shog will emerge from the water and offer you a priceless golden one.

user202362

one letter away, such a different feeling ...

Bart

Maybe he's a hairy fairy

Derpy

who said that Cthulhu can't be a fairy to if he really wants?

What is this prejudice? Now a cosmic horror sleeping mod can't also be a fairy if that was his childhood dream?

Has he asked to be an unspeakable entity in a Lovercraft book?

(yep, he may have removed that line from his profile, but Shog will stay Cthulhu to me.)

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Derpy

3:27 PM

You used Very Lame Joke

It's super effective!

Enemy users are left speechless! They may not be able to reply

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Listing of DNS vulnerabilities by user126774 on security.stackexchange.com

Bart

3:48 PM

@Derpy ...

Jason C

4:25 PM

Lol; I built a list of every word in every SO post and comment and saved it in a text file, and Comodo flagged it as "ApplicUnsaf.BAT.BadJoke.A".

STACK OVERFLOW IS VIRUS

Aaron Hall

:D

Jason C

On a different note; are those related...? o.O

@Pops Try more fiber, it should help.

Bart

Pops poops

There, that's my contribution. Time to go home

rene

5:15 PM

delv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/a/285462 @ShadowWizard @Bart

SmokeDetector

5:28 PM

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Shog9

6:16 PM

@Derpy It really depends.

Far as I can tell, an Apple Developer Whatever account is pretty worthless, so if you lose your password you just create a new account

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is the NHS wrong about passwords? by user60281 on security.stackexchange.com

Shog9

But, some sites are associated with accounts you can't walk away from

And some of them will not reset your password unless you can remember your answers to those questions

Magisch

Hey @Shog9

I looked at your international salary calculator thing

Which part of my soul do I have to sell to get a job paying that kind of money (70k in germany for 0 experience and 0 skill level)

Shog9

my International Salary is terrible

Fortunately, I buy Domestic

Magisch

your/s/stackoverflow's

Software dev with 0 years xp is looking at 18k to start

Shog9

6:19 PM

@Magisch You have to sign on with Stack Overflow

Magisch

aka 9,30 eur an hour

Shog9

...which, given 0 experience and skill, is not likely to happen

Magisch

Well yeah

Shog9

but if it did, that's what you could expect to make here (give or take)

Magisch

More reasons of why I'll never get a job there

pay is so good you probably get like 2k applicants per position

Shog9

6:20 PM

We did actually hire a couple of interns recently, which means it is possible

Although probably not for Germany just yet

Magisch

Arent interns non permanent and unpaid?

Shog9

sorry, that was ambiguous; I mean we hired two developers who formerly worked as interns

Magisch

See

I couldnt even afford an internship

Shog9

@Magisch the former, yes. The latter, only if you're an evil company

unpaid internships are pretty much just welfare for rich kids

Magisch

Well I get 500 bucks a month

but I need those

I could just not live on an unpaid job

Shog9

6:22 PM

not very many people can

Magisch

either have parents full on supporting you or inheritance money

basicly no other way

besides working another full job to pay the bills

Which means you have exactly 0 time for anything but work

@Shog9 Its weird seing these numbers in general. as a finished software dev with my apprenticeship degree, I'll be lucky to get 1eur/hr more than minimum wage

Shog9

@Magisch well, where do you aim to work?

Magisch

@Shog9 In a company as software developer I guess

can't go much higher then that without a uni degree

I'm not really exceptional at anything. I have about slightly above average math and logic skills, and quite a bit below average social skills (real world social interaction is really draining for me)

Shog9

6:38 PM

@Magisch so, at the basic level, looking for a dev job with some programming experience isn't much more promising than looking for a data entry job with some typing experience.

Magisch

@Shog9 essentially

I don't think data entry is much of a thing in germany

At least I can't picture a job that has that. Maybe data processing in the office (which is also a apprenticeship destination) but thats usually better paid then non-4-year-degree software development

Shog9

My point is, being able to make a machine do things is a critical part of the job... But by itself it's not that useful. You also need to be able to understand people when they're describing what they need. Then your role moves from "glorified typist" to "trusted intermediary".

Magisch

In that case I'm very screwed

I don't enjoy face to face social interaction in the least and its super draining for me.

Shog9

@Magisch no, you know where your education is lacking

@Magisch who does? People are terrible, and communicating with them is hard. That's why it pays so well.

As a rule, folks do not enjoy conducting in clear and accurate communication with humans or machines. A successful developer must do both. This is what gives the job value.

Magisch

@Shog9 I see other people do it all the time and not be phazed by it

If I'm talking to someone for 30 minutes, I really need a 4 hour break or so or better yet go to bed after

Shog9

6:45 PM

And how often do you talk to someone for 30 minutes straight?

Magisch

significantly too often at the moment

since people want me to roll them all the way through finding what they want to speccing out what they want

Most non tech people needing some programming done have absolutely no clue wtf it is they want

Shog9

Well, expect to get better at it then.

If you spent 30 minutes lifting boxes or swinging a hammer, you would probably want a break.

Anything you're unused to is tiring at first

Doesn't necessarily get easier, but you adapt to the difficulty

Your brain adjusts, your body adjusts... The amount of adrenaline generated drops, leaving you less jumpy on the spot and less tired afterwards.

Yeah, some folks do enjoy it. Some folks enjoy lifting heavy objects and playing Sudoku. There are all sorts of weird people around doing weird things for fun.

But, there's a lot of life that's just doing crappy things because they need to be done, and trying to get good enough at it so that it doesn't ruin your day.

user315433

7:52 PM

The blog's sidebar says "We are Stack Overflow, home of Stack Exchange, Stack Overflow Careers, and over 100 Q&A sites." What does Stack Exchange mean here, if it's a distinct entity from those "over 100 Q&A sites"?

user315433

Saying "this is how much we pay our developers in Slovenia, on average" is slightly weird when there is exactly one.

Dean219

hey can anyway guide me roughly where to ask a question, i want to ask people if they know how to access dynamic information from a program running in the javascript runtime to access information on variables etc, but it doesent seem appropriate for stack overflow as its kind of broad

rene

@zaq Maybe they mean Meta?

@Dean219 sounds like you want use a debugger?

Dean219

well i want more than a debugger, im looking for a way to access the information so i can use it in my own program if it makes sense

like hook into the runtime so when a new variable is called i can use its information from my program

rene

@Dean219 for a specific runtime, like V8, or any runtime?

Dean219

8:04 PM

well any really its more of a question at the moment as i said so anything i could use to build upon :)

v8 would be ideal since its popular

like do i have to develop a plugin for the v8 runtime or is there an sdk or that kind of thing? or is the information on its variables etc already available through any means?

rene

What you could do is do research if V8 has anything that could work, create a small MCVE and then explain what is missing for your specific usecase. I'm not JS guy but I do know the .Net runtime has some COM interfaces that allow you to hook into the CLR at runtime and request stuff from it and that offers more then just a regular debug hook. That question could fit on SO

Maybe @hichris123 knows something about V8 as he is a committer for Chrome, IIRC.

Dean219

great idea either way ill look at the .net runtime for now and see what their solution is to see if itll point me towards exactly what im looking for

hichris123

Not quite a committer...

rene

Oh :(

You drop a few places on my list of amazing people

hichris123

V8 is a complex beast, FYI.

@rene :P I submitted patches from time to time but not so much now.

Dean219

8:11 PM

ok, say im looking to build to access a runtime for information on variables that have been created what language/runtime would you guys recommend then? like javascript or python etc?

if v8 is complicated do you think the python runtime would be less or more complicated generally?

i know its a broad question lol :/ but anything helps

Aaron Hall

Please pass the happiness!

bjb568

:3

user315433

> Im 13 so please excuse any typos
At the end of a post, like those "sent from a mobile device" signatures... ಠ_ಠ (edit suggested)

rene

@Dean219 start here for .Net but for other toolstacks you might want to try a more specific chatroom, like the Python room or JS room on chat.stackoverflow.com.

2

@Dean219 yes, it is broad. And as long as it stays that way your best bet is finding an helpful chatroom so you can create something that allows for a specific question.

Dean219

ah great and thanks for the link! i'll keep researching

rene

8:22 PM

Not sure why that message needed a star. I tend to be much funnier ...

Dean219

hmmmmm..... it deserved a star, your answer was fabulous sir

next time you'll have to earn the star the hard way though

Aaron Hall

8:38 PM

jumps on the star bandwagon

user315433

Philosophying is fun, but the mechanism of rejecting migrations predates the close vote reform and the whole "on hold" concept, and is incompatible with it. Put it on hold until it's edited by the OP, except they won't be able to edit.

user315433

On top of this nonsense, the lack of auto-deletion sometimes led to me voting to leave open obviously off-topic questions, so they'd be deleted by 30-day Roomba instead of being locked (until someone flags for a mod).

rene

@zaq I thought migration stubs were removed after 60 days?

user315433

@rene From the site that sent them. On the site that received and rejected the migration, it's not.

rene

ah, yeah. that makes sense

tchrist

8:49 PM

Yeehaw!

What's the badge for a thousand?

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rene

@tchrist badge is only granted at 1K

tchrist

See, all it takes is one ~~good~~ popular answer to get access to the 10k tools!

@rene Well, the normal badge. I meant the seacrypt one.

Shog9

Southern Culture on the Skids: Camel Walk (band video)

►

tchrist

9:15 PM

Steve Martin - King Tut (Live 1979)

►

Shog9

good stuff

Shadow Wizard

@rene heh, one of the weirder posts I've seen.... user nuked by Adam though.

(so negative scored posts auto deleted)

Weird that in those cases, previous delete votes are not shown, i.e. showing only Community as the one to delete.

user315433

Current status: speccing out the next SQL Servers for Stack Overflow (we're at ~10% CPU on 4yr old hardware today, but low on space)

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on October 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist not really, rep cap

user315433

Too much debugging is getting permanently logged...

Shadow Wizard

9:28 PM

@Bart home?! This is your home!

tchrist

10:14 PM

@ShadowWizard Rome was not built in a day.

Shadow Wizard

@tchrist but most votes are cast in the first day...

tchrist

Not in that case they were not.

Shadow Wizard

Well, not most, but 122 in one day means losing 102 which is more than 1000 rep.

And same in other days, many with more than 20 upvotes.

So single answer with 1000 upvotes is not enough to get 10k rep. :)

bjb568

10:49 PM

Happy hour!

Shog9

11:11 PM

pours a glass of wine

in SEDE - Stack Exchange Data Explorer on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by Shog9

Here's a graph of posts deleted by month: http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/552170/posts-deleted-by-month#‌graph

user315433

Blog Overflow is actually going to be shutting down completely soon, so it doesn't make sense for us to invest time in fixing any bugs for it. We'll be reaching out to all the individual communities who currently have a blog on their site's Meta over the coming weeks to discuss whether they want to let their blog die or transfer it to an alternate blogging platform and maintaining it on their own, as Worldbuilding does now. Those Meta posts will contain more detailed information than I've provided here. — animuson ♦ 49 mins ago

bjb568

11:45 PM

@Shog9 What an old man you are.

Shog9

strokes his beard

bjb568

licks his fur

tchrist

Stop licking Shog's fur, you!

bjb568

:3

tchrist

No butt cheeks!

bjb568

11:54 PM

:p

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