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5:01 PM

No, I'm disagreeing with your methodology. It's completely unscientific & provides very little value other than giving you some number that may or may not be correct.

Uh, nevermind. I'm stupid. :P

I don't feel like doing the inverse, but... there are likely good questions in that query.

Also, remember the pearls.

If we could programmatically determine which questions were good or bad, we'd have the perfect quality filter already.

Yep.

Even score and close votes aren't all that reliable. They are indicators but not proof.

@hichris123 Perls are many orders of magnitude less common than the average question.

5:41 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: AERODYNAMIC NOISE BY COOLING FAN by tyler on physics.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Whatsapp, Keeping the number on the new phone but without the old sim card by Anonymous on android.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-... pointless

user259867

@SmokeDetector edit suggested

6:02 PM

Well, proposal for "how to edit" FAQ is received well. Now maybe I should create an example of a good edit that follows these guidelines.

6:27 PM

!!/coffee

@S.L.Barth brews coffee for @S.L.Barth

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[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: Ubuntu will not install- AT ALL by Ernest Bledsoe on askubuntu.com

user259867

sd fp- ignore-

user259867

We're running out of our secondary data center right now, so this is probably one the list of things that are currently down. — Anna Lear ♦ 1 hour ago

6:45 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in title: Random variables :))))))))))))))))))) by statistika on math.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore- someone will fix that but it won't be me.

7:10 PM

Um... stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/9086901?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@SmokeDetector That is one monumental title.

@hichris123 what the...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

> ojii has approved 308 edit suggestions and rejected 8 edit suggestions
Codingo has approved 229 edit suggestions and rejected 9 edit suggestions
David Hoelzer has approved 187 edit suggestions and rejected 10 edit suggestions

Sigh

....and those rejects were probably all audits.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

At the very least, three robo-reviewers were discovered.

7:13 PM

The answer hijack is better readable than the original answer...

Still it should have been rejected as "Clearly conflicts with the author's intent."

The robo-reviewers won't be caught until they're flagged - with a few bad reviews, not just one.

Yeah... should that be rolled back?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Maybe also copy that into an answer and make it CW.

Or don't make it CW, it that S-something's problem that they didn't write an answer.

@bjb568 Pretty strong language for a kitten

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Undo Pretty sure it was when Jerry bit his tail.

Was just translating…

What do you guys think of meta.stackoverflow.com/a/303218/2371861 ?

7:21 PM

@bjb568 There are plenty of things score:0..1 that aren't crap

Although the list of keywords in the second search is useful

... except "jquery"

And "any ideas"

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Prolly the downvotes weren't because of that though.

@Undo Notice the capitalization. jQuery is the only correct way to say it.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Undo Yeah, a lot of decent questions on chem use "any ideas?"

But not everyone knows that, doesn't make the post terribad

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb568 I will type JqUERY to just annoy you.

3

7:24 PM

@Undo Well, in some obscure tag with an uncommon problem… then the question doesn't matter. It won't help anyone.

Whaaaaaat?

Something with low views isn't helpful.

There are plenty of good questions with a limited audience

Maybe it's a perfect question, but if it doesn't get to its audience, it's useless.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I have to agree to disagree.

7:25 PM

I mean, do you really want a site with only C# and JS questions?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Rene time for ice cream.

No, these are great questions, they're just buried by the pile of crap.

If it helps 3 users, it still helps people.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb568 That's only 50% the question's problem.

Not even that.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

7:26 PM

@S.L.Barth If it helps one person find out how to help themselves, it has merit.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M let's have it...

user259867

@bjb568 Search ignores case: "jQuery", ""jquery" and "JqUeRy" return the same results.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb sometimes it's the question's problem. Bad title, bad formatting, bad wording etc.

Yes, that too.

@NormalHuman Even with quotes?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sometimes, PLZ HALP THXBAIs are to blame.

user259867

7:28 PM

"even then"

7:41 PM

CompSci teacher refuses to grade my work because it doesn't have ".txt" in the file name. I try to resubmit the first one. Works. I try to resubmit the second one. Impossible with blackboard until attempt one has been graded. Stupid.

And powerschool must be broken since I can't access it online and all the grades are 0 from the app…

Skewls just can't technology.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb568 0 is the highest score. Nothing's broken here.

0/5 or 0/2…

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

0/6.  . . .

…

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

. . .

7:45 PM

…

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

. . .

?!

user259867

@bjb568 There is a setting there, whether to allow multiple submissions. I set it to yes, and grade the latest one submitted by the deadline.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Ellipsis fight.

Yeah, just decided to join the fight as a third party.

It will now become the First Tavern Interpunction War :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

7:48 PM

@S.L. Nothing serious; all the sane people believe ellipsis should be with some space between the dots. Like this:  . . .  All the sane cough kittens say it should have less space than three normal dots; like this: …

‽

@NormalHuman His setting, which I don't think is default, is punishing me for finishing the next week of homework on day 2.

This makes me want to DDOS BB, but I'll try to contain my anger for now.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: LINUX UBUNTU PASSWORD RECOVERY by MARCUS JONES on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb568 !?

@bjb568 Search is case-insensitive... right?

Hmm.... that should be closed. But now people are CV-ing to put it on Super User, where it will be just as unwelcome.

user259867

7:54 PM

feature-request Drop the concept of migration.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@NormalHuman Prolly good for programming sites; but that shouldn't happen in science sites.

What we need to do, is more teaching.

For example, some people in ELU think ELL is their wastebasket.

The concept is good. It's just that many questions need improvement before they're fit to migrate.

Yeah, migration is nice for ES. Gets us some good questions & sometimes a site gets a good question or two from us.

29 mins ago, by Normal Human

@bjb568 Search ignores case: "jQuery", ""jquery" and "JqUeRy" return the same results.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

(And try to dump ELU crap™ in ELL)

7:57 PM

@hichris123 Probably all mod-involved though, right?

Programmers.SE had the same problem.

user259867

Sure, because beta.

@Undo All outbound, most inbound, I think.

user259867

There is no inbound user-driven migration to any beta.

Well, it makes sense to put a human factor in migration. You want to make sure that a post is good enough before you send it to another site.

7:58 PM

@NormalHuman Yeah, I forgot about that. :P

user259867

I don't get why user-driven migration paths are being touted as some of benefits of graduation.

user259867

If the site gets 10 questions per day, they should not worry so much about getting one more, or moving another one elsewhere.

user259867

Just close as OT when it's OT.

It makes sense for some sites, i.e. Code Review -> Stack Overflow. But even then...

user259867

The OT questions on CR are really bad.

8:00 PM

Yeah.

It's mostly q-banned users I think.

We get the occasional general-computer-use question on Information Security SE. It's good if we can migrate them to Super User.

user259867

Why is it good?

user259867

The asker doesn't get the benefit of title-based search suggesting duplicates.

If the question is good enough, but not about security - it has no place on Security.SE, but can still be useful on SU.

user259867

They don't get the benefit of proper tag suggestions.

user259867

8:01 PM

They don't get the benefit of tag-specific warnings.

user259867

They don't get the benefit of on-hold / reopen cycle: closing locks a migrated question.

user259867

I think migration is a disservice to the asker.

If the question is good, I don't think these drawbacks are really a problem.

The alternative is to close it on the spot.

"We don't want that, go somewhere else. Find out for yourself where."

user259867

Leaving a comment suggesting SU isn't impossible

user259867

or even very hard.

8:04 PM

user image

lol, so enthusiastic

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@NormalHuman Note that a lot of sites don't have those and aren't missing anything.

user259867

It's best if the comment suggests searching the target site before asking. Because they obviously haven't searched.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@bjb568 I'm sometimes like that too. My condolences.

When you choose a migration target you should be presented with 5 or so questions about the post that are indicators for the Quality rules on the target. If you answer all yes, it is good to go ... if not, put in the mod queue

Sometimes they're just unaware. It took some time before SO users discovered that there was a site called Code Review.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:06 PM

@NormalHuman A lot of us do, a lot of users don't. Again, more teaching.

Wat, blackboard just logged me out somehow without telling me and layout changed, giving me access to more information

user259867

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Can be an auto-comment.

user259867

But yes, setting those up is also work.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I can be an auto-comment?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M If you want to.... do we need to make a GreaseMonkey script for you? :-)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:09 PM

I use Chromium.

@rene that seems like a non-trivial amount of dev time for development

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'm very sorry

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hello very sorry.

And so we enter an episode of Meta Python.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ASP.NET MVC - JSONRESULT FROM LAMBDA EXPRESSION USING JOIN by Jason Sargood on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@S.L.Barth Meta never ceases to get me some free flagz everyday.

8:18 PM

@Braiam yep ... maybe a link to the site specific rules as a starter...

You don't hear me complaining. We can't have this kind of joking on the main site, and for good reason.

So chat gives us a place where we can be a little more easy about these things.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I see gold question badges for jokes on the main site though.

Along with historical locks.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

(And some of them aren't locked, tempting me to write something similar)

If a joke question on the main site isn't locked, it should be.

8:21 PM

observes the broken window effect... live

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hmm, what was that?

"A little unresolved problem can lead to bigger problems."

Something like that?

Yes. The idea that if there is a broken window in an area, and it isn't fixed, in a short while more windows will be broken - the apparent absence of control causes people to stop caring.

Or even invites vandalism.

user259867

Does the broken window theory apply to closing questions? by Jon Ericson on meta.stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

If there's anything to come outta this, it's that @Braiam loves effects; visually, psychologically, and theoretically.

user259867

Jon has a new profile picture, apparently.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:28 PM

@NormalHuman Huh, I thought that was in Meta Stack Exchange.

@NormalHuman And which one of them is Jon?

user259867

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Stack Exchange = Stack Overflow + ε

@NormalHuman Did it used to be just him, or was it him & his kids? I forget.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@hichris123 It used to be him and his kids IIRC.

Actually, most prolly one of his grandsons.

> On a personal note, I'm married and have three children. Our oldest son loves school, friends, games, and reading. (He can't wait to get on our LEGO® Answers site, but he's not quite old enough. My posts there are usually at his request.)

I don't think he has any grandsons. :)

user259867

It was him with some building in the background.

8:33 PM

@NormalHuman Ah right.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Pssh whatever.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Give me links and I'll flag them.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm too sleepy for searches. Let alone SE's search bar.

Ok.

user259867

Actually it changed from outside a building to holding a child at some point. Grr, no way to track other than through Wayback.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:36 PM

Just search for fun with vote sorts.

Ah, you meant Meta.SE of course.... I was thinking of SO.

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: User can't access Sharepoint site by Quinn on sharepoint.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Hah!

Hmm, false positive, the e-mail is an example. Should I fp that, or does that teach Smokey wrong things?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I don't think it will have any effects on the email filter.

8:43 PM

Meanwhile it turns out that Community Wiki posts won't get you rep, but still get you badges....

Since the CW post was on Meta.SO I wasn't going to get rep for it anyway.

user259867

8:58 PM

@SmokeDetector fp-

user259867

@S.L.Barth fp or ignore, as you prefer. Otherwise the post will be reported again with every activity.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@S.L.Barth . . . which still baffles me.

Wait now, if you gain 80 rep by an answer, and it turns into a CW, will you lose 80 points?

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Don't know. Probably if the post is old, some of the rep gained from it will be frozen.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ERROR CODE-80070003 IN NOKIA LUMIA 520 by Aditya on windowsphone.stackexchange.com

user259867

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M No. The votes that were cast when the post wasn't CW still contribute.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

9:06 PM

Thank God.

I've started to write a 30k char answer to a question, and I worry it might get CW, so I still haz times to get shiny shiny repz.

auto CW is not a thing anymore, except if the question is CW itself...

9:20 PM

user image

a51 is always borked

user259867

sigh I comment on an employee's answer pointing out a factual inaccuracy. They delete post; my comment goes with it and I'm not notified. Then another user posts with the same factual inaccuracy.

@SmokeDetector why

@S.L.Barth Body - Position 54-59: derma

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

What factual inaccuracy?

Hehe

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp- but I thought "derma" wasn't that dumb anymore?

user259867

9:31 PM

It's about the existence of comment edit history.

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Can I disable the iPhone's auto-rotation to landscape mode? by Edwin on apple.stackexchange.com

@NormalHuman take a screenshot this time?

user259867

What would I do with the screenshot then?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Make a hamburger out of it.

user259867

I think the second post will stay.

9:37 PM

gaze at it, remembering the Good Times™

@SmokeDetector tp-

@S.L.Barth true/tp cannot be used for answers because their job is to add the title of the question to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'. If you want to blacklist the poster of the answer, use trueu or tpu.

I keep forgetting that...

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm trying to remember what I should do when Chrome says "waiting for cache"

10:18 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Wait.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M take a couple deep breaths and wait

For me it always gets through, it's like the cache has to warm up

like a hamburger

Hardware Recommendations only needs 3 more people before beta-launch Tuesday

The docket looks fairly clear, so we shouldn't have to wait

user259867

This FAQ page appears to be misleading. The users who only posted once and never voted are directed to "contact us" form even though they can self-delete.

user259867

At least this is my understanding of self-deletion rules.

user259867

10:34 PM

OK, let's test... What are some good paid resources to learn Arabic? by Normal Human on arabic.stackexchange.com

user259867

The "delete profile" thing is still there.

user259867

There we go, no more profile.

user259867

Edited the FAQ.

user259867

Stack Overflow на русском users renamed Community as Дух сообщества, "the spirit of community".

10:52 PM

the*

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: music-straight-outta-compton-online-full-free-movies-2015 by Udin Pesek on drupal.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

user259867

11:07 PM

@SmokeDetector fp-

11:34 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in answer: Ultraedit regex to remove all words which contains number by yyyyyyy on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector I edited before reading.... what are they talking about>

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

!!/rmwlu softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/users/46/undo

@Undo User is not whitelisted.

oh, okay :P

@SmokeDetector delete

@SmokeDetector delete

11:55 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What Happened To Spore servers? Spore servers gone! by im atualy very intelegwnt on gaming.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu-

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu- sigh Arqade

user259867

I should sigh less.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT IS THE STANDARD REFERENCE POINT FOR MEASURING SPEED? by Undo on astronomy.stackexchange.com

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