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Braiam

12:06 AM

@bjb568 you are many

bjb568

:D

Many kewl!

James

12:43 AM

Wheres my waffles

Braiam

trows waffles into @James face

SmokeDetector

12:55 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? by Lyn on video.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector Writing informative titles, you mean?

hichris123

@Yes Well, they're feeds users...

bjb568

1:13 AM

> Where're my waffles

FTFY

> throws

FSM, what's wrong with everybody today?

Doorknob

Like you're one to be talking.

bjb568

I am talking.

Doorknob

Valid point.

Braiam

I have a single word for you all... write

Doorknob

How do you know we're not using text-to-speech?

It is very difficult for a doorknob to use a keyboard

4

Braiam

1:20 AM

It is very difficult for a doorknob to talk without a mouth...

Doorknob

shhhh

bjb568

shhshes

James

I don't get it

!xkcd find butterfly

xkcdBot

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

James

isn't this how you program?

bjb568

1:27 AM

Is it how you program?

James

Of course

Doorknob

Just narrow it down to that second panel and it's spot on. :D

michaelpri

I was planning on learning Vim, but I forgot too. Atom stinks though, so I'm gonna switch soon

bjb568

Sublime?

user259867

2:03 AM

> Error 523 Ray ID: 1ed66056a26f1876 • 2015-05-28 02:02:30 UTC
Origin is unreachable

user259867

Says CloudFlare

user259867

... and it's back on. Never mind.

Andrew T.

!xkcd blame

xkcdBot

@AndrewT. It's Ian Kemp's fault.

Andrew T.

!xkcd blame smokey

xkcdBot

2:11 AM

It's smokey's fault.

Doorknob

!!/blame xkcdBot

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob It's hichris123's fault.

AstroCB

@SmokeDetector Seems right.

@hichris123

user259867

1

Q: Health SE Disclaimer

Near the beginning of Health SE's private beta, a discussion about whether or not we should have a disclaimer came up. There were people voting that we should have a disclaimer (+10/-2) and people for the other side, that we don't need one (+9/-0). Though this decision has not been officially m...

michaelpri

@Yes Hey! That's my post!

user259867

2:18 AM

@michaelpri Yeah, I wondered how this will be done technically. Is there a precedent among SE sites?

user259867

The closest thing I know of are post notices, but those are added per-post.

michaelpri

We're uh... not really sure yet. We were given permission by Shog and told to make a meta post. We hope it will go on each page somewhere

user259867

Maybe they'll create a custom theme for the site, with disclaimer as its logo...

user259867

There is also a "system message" thing, like the one on every new site:

user259867

> got a question about the site itself? meta.law is the place to talk about things like what questions are appropriate, what tags we should use, etc.

michaelpri

2:21 AM

Oh yeah, we still have that problem. Feel free to vote for a logo here:meta.health.stackexchange.com/q/130/26

user259867

I like the cross the most, I think. Maybe SE can use a different background color, something that works with red. They did it for Craft CMS

michaelpri

@Yes I also like it, and it's the most visible. I kinda wish it had been posted earlier.

hichris123

@AstroCB >:(

SmokeDetector

2:36 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Why does sampling interval affect system response quite drastically? by Bababarghi on electronics.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore- minor formatting flaw

bjb568

It seems to lack the "some of us aren't actually trained doctors" part that I've seen in other disclaimers. Is this intentional? — bjb568 8 secs ago

michaelpri

@bjb568: Though there are some trained medical professionals here on Health SE, even they can't provide perfectly reliable answers when they don't have enough details. Better than a layperson's answer? Probably, but it still can't be completely trusted. — michaelpri ♦ 4 mins ago

Shog9

Check out Patents for an example of how this could be implemented, @yes

michaelpri

@Shog9 I tested it out using the system message box and it doesn't look too bad

user259867

2:52 AM

The Helpful Links in the sidebar? I don't see anything else special about Patents.

user259867

I wish every site had a Helpful Link "search this site with Google".

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/30449259/…

Shog9

System message area is for system messages; "this site will be unavailable for 30 minutes/forever" that sorta thing.

Helpful links, @yes

michaelpri

@Shog9 Has that happened before?

Shog9

What? Sites closed? Yes.

hichris123

2:58 AM

Migrate to meta, I think. stackoverflow.com/questions/30390439/…

@Shog9 And/or "Steve Jobs died".

... or should I not bring that up? :P

Alexis King

woah, @Shog's back now, too?

@Shog and @JasonC confirmed same person

2

Shog9

Yes, they're also used whenever Steve Jobs dies.

If Health.se kills Steve, they can use a sys msg to announce it.

Jan Dvorak

<insert South Park joke here>

user259867

System message also shouldn't be permanent because it breaks the layout of the mobile theme, not that anyone cares.

user259867

> Fun fact: lately I'm fascinated with extreme couponing. It's addictive. -- Michael Pryor at 7:14 PM - 27 May 2015 via Twitter

user259867

3:10 AM

Mildly amusing when coming from the former CFO.

michaelpri

@Shog9 Would this not be allowed for the disclaimer then?

Shog9

No.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keywords in title: Is There A Link To Watch San Andreas Full Movie Online by Web Tools on superuser.com

Shog9

Above the blog announcement? Maybe. Above the whole page? No.

Another possibility is the ask page sidebar

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Jan Dvorak

3:16 AM

gone

spammer has reached ~3 people

despite not having posted ... yet

Shog9

Them spammers is grabby.

user259867

@JanDvorak They're just keeping the low profile, don't bother them.

user259867

Lest you disturb their laser-like focus on spamming.

bjb568

@Shog9 @Yes, like the mobile app link. Very helpful. I mean, it's just delightful having to press that x over and over for every site…

user259867

@bjb568 Has anyone posted about that on Meta yet? I was going to.

bjb568

3:20 AM

Going to bed "early" for bio exam tomorrow, feel free to complain.

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

bjb568

Night!

Jan Dvorak

Any chance they'll be disecting cats soon?

bjb568

:o

Andrew T.

:D

Shog9

3:27 AM

You should get that fixed, @bjb.

user259867

Proliferation of specialized chatrooms continues on Mathematics

Shog9

Need "why no downvotes" and "why the upvote"

4

Jan Dvorak

just use the cv-pls room

Jason C

Turns out I was supposed to fly to Denver for a site visit today. I'm definitely not in Denver. Sad trombone confirmed.

user259867

3:39 AM

@JasonC 25 minutes left in "today".

Jason C

Heh. Well I have the first flight out, need to leave in like 3 hours. Just spent the last 5 hours unloading a 26' truck packed front to back with audio equipment. Which I had to wake up at 6am this morning to move. Which I drove back from upstate last night.

Sooo I'm going to bed. Adderall only goes so far. Peace.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What is the best way to make money? by Rome on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore- weird answer, not offensive

hichris123

abusive: stackoverflow.com/questions/30496777/…

user259867

3:54 AM

@hichris123 gone

Alexis King

@Shog9 literally me in scheme

hichris123

How in the world did this get 4 upvotes? stackoverflow.com/questions/30496819/…

Bikeshed effect, I guess.

Even though it doesn't have enough info to answer it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Frame rate drops from 60 FPS to 1-10 FPS by dontknowwhattodo on gaming.stackexchange.com

hichris123

NAA

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Lack of motivation? by leylegolfe on drupal.stackexchange.com

michaelpri

4:09 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@michaelpri Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: http://acaiultralean-france.com/power-pro-revue/ by bopikud Eidf on askubuntu.com

michaelpri

@SmokeDetector tpu-SPAM

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: is saying the word fuck polite by Hamish Meachem on english.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

I guess that's a no :-)

SmokeDetector

4:28 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why do some tuned cars have very inclined tires? by John Doe on mechanics.stackexchange.com

michaelpri

@SmokeDetector tpu - offensive

SmokeDetector

@michaelpri Blacklisted user.

SmokeDetector

4:48 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Alpha ZXT To Seek Rest And Relaxation? by emmalucy on meta.stackexchange.com

michaelpri

@SmokeDetector tpu - SPAM

SmokeDetector

@michaelpri Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Andy

> I think it is but I just want to check.

Nice

GreenAsJade

Is this the place to look for a mod to delete silly comments?

Jan Dvorak

just flag it

SmokeDetector

5:16 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Alpha ZXT Vitamins For Brain Health by emmalucy on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Eye Care for Sensitive Skin by limaae wioz on meta.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

wait, what?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Use it and you can use it anywhere on your body by evieholme on drupal.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

oh.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: http://vitalieskincaretry.com/lreve-24k/ by joeason on askubuntu.com

James

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

5:24 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, url in title: http://vitalieskincaretry.com/lreve-24k/ by joeason on meta.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, url in title: http://vitalieskincaretry.com/lreve-24k/ by joeason on drupal.stackexchange.com

James

@SmokeDetector tpu-

PeterJ

spam: askubuntu.com/questions/629201/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: That because sad dam its I read that in fact by malcolmpellsworth on askubuntu.com

Roombatron5000

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/30497852/…

James

@SmokeDetector tpu- too slow smokey

SmokeDetector

5:40 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: I I'm okay and then I'll how by tina pshkd on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: League Of Legends fps drops by dontknowwhattodo on gaming.stackexchange.com

James

@SmokeDetector tpu-

you know suppressing smokey's replies has ruined my ability to see how many tpu's I could send before he responded

and thus my day got a little more dull

Jan Dvorak

Why did I misread that as "smokey's reptiles"?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: The Best And Natural Product For Skin Care by Linda Munoz on askubuntu.com

Andrew T.

5:56 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu-tpu=0

SmokeDetector

6:13 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Best Skin Care Supplement and Reviews Free Trial by Linda Munoz on askubuntu.com

James

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Anti Aging Supplements by penny hast on meta.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Is there anywhere well-qualified people scrape by cathy striickland on stackoverflow.com

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector tpu-app=toy

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

6:40 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: is saying the “f word” polite by Hamish Meachem on english.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user, blacklisted website: I don't think do anything for by tina pshkd on superuser.com

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector ignore, good that it's already closed, but anyway...

SmokeDetector

@AndrewT. Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector tpu- gone

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: How To Get Beautiful Skin Naturally by Jean Gibson on askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

7:13 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: what is infinite try therefore me reason? by realinjuriya on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: what is skin wrinkle problem by user47819 on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Simple answer in remember me the company by sunder moon on superuser.com

rene

7:29 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

rene

@SmokeDetector tpu one neederd

SmokeDetector

@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

rene

@SmokeDetector tpu one needed

SmokeDetector

@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

rene

7:29 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@rene Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

rene

Coffee!

Andrew T.

@SmokeDetector tpu- (tips)

rene

Oh the - make it doesn't echo?

SPArchaeologist

@rene Make.... ake... ake.... ake.... ake.... ake

JonasCz

7:43 AM

Are these edits really so good that most of them are getting approved ? stackoverflow.com/users/4897144/… They are all the same. Left him a comment yesterday asking to fix all the problems with posts, as well as a mod flag, which is still pending 24 hours later..

rene

@SPArchaeologist Make- ............................................................

@JonasCz you did see this MSO post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/295302/…

yes you did..

sorry

Isn't it very much middle in the night for the kitteh?

JonasCz

7:59 AM

What is your opinion on edits like this which are all very similar ? I'd regard them as too minor, and filling up the edits queue is also bad. Was commenting and mod flag the correct thing to do ? That the editing has not stopped despite the meta post (where the consensus seems to be that these edits are mostly not useful) and mod flag seems strange to me.

rene

I rejected the ones that ONLY add the tag

JonasCz

Thats most of them.

rene

If other improvements where made I left it for the robo-reviewers

JonasCz

Thats most of them.

All of them really.

SPArchaeologist

Kill the +2 for approved edits when under 2k and we should finally get rid of this.

JonasCz

8:03 AM

How did my chat message get posted twice !?

James

@rene Its 4am for BJB

JonasCz

@SPArchaeologist Then we will no longer have any edit suggestions, and most of them are useful (most of the time).

rene

@JonasCz happy? i.stack.imgur.com/kPJXZ.png

@JonasCz I had some delay as well, maybe the servers need to wake-up?

James

Maybe one of the mods need to ban his ass

rene

I'm not going to get involved much in an excel/vba/excel+vba war. It really depends who you are talking to what the correct way of tagging is, see the MSO posts for background.

Andrew T.

8:11 AM

How about... reduce gained rep from +2 to +1 when the user has been review banned once, then remove it altogether if banned for the second time?

(but then there's no way to gain "easy" rep... but it's their mistake in the first place)

SPArchaeologist

@AndrewT. what about not giving one that has been banned once the possibility to be banned a second time?

rene

How about getting +5 if you reject an suggested-edit from the queue?

Andrew T.

that might work too

SPArchaeologist

@rene then you get robo-rejecters.

Jan Dvorak

still better than robo-approvers

rene

8:14 AM

We make it temporary, until the accept/reject rates are in some balance

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: doctrineCLI not working with Zend framework 1.2 and doctrine 1.2 on windows by user4946127 on stackoverflow.com

Andrew T.

(I just noticed I wrote "review banned" when it should be "suggest edit banned")

rene

@SmokeDetector because php?

cool bot!

@SmokeDetector ignore fixed

SmokeDetector

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

James

My eyes hurt

is that normal?

Andrew T.

8:34 AM

If after doing too many reviews, then yes, it's normal.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SQL SERVER SYMMETRIC KEY SCURITY ISSUE by user3194125 on stackoverflow.com

SPArchaeologist

@James could also be an allergic reaction caused from the lack of ponies. You still haven't started season five, don't you?

JonasCz

8:54 AM

@rene Yep, I did a few too, will do some more. You use IE ?

rene

@JonasCz I use only quality browsers...

JonasCz

IE is a quality browser ?

rene

Yes, in the same league as Windows is a quality, industry standard OS....

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: IF-ELSE LOOP CONVERSION TO GAMS MILP STATEMENTS by CuriousHuman on cs.stackexchange.com

rene

@SmokeDetector fixed-

The answer

SPArchaeologist

9:12 AM

@rene Twilight Sparkle?

rene

I guess so

SPArchaeologist

@rene (sorry. Actually the "Twilight Sparkle == 42" joke is not so common, even between fans... guess it must have seemed pretty random.)

rene

@SPArchaeologist better not google for that I'm lost in a world unknown to me...

Infinite Recursion

I already flagged that guy for plagiarism @PatrickHofman. I came across your comment while flagging that answer, and responded to you :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: No Error Log File, no debug info by AddWeb Solution Pvt Ltd on wordpress.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Tips To Achieving Beautiful Shining Skin by ismael frost on drupal.stackexchange.com

Mooseman

9:26 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Mooseman Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

SPArchaeologist

@rene ... I would avoid that link without even opening it. To put it simple, all is based on a theory that some references in FIM would claim that the answer to the universe, the life and everything is actually "Friendship". So since Friendship -> Twilight and Friendship->42 then Twilight -> 42

rene

Ok, that explains a little bit of a world still unknown to me ;)

SPArchaeologist

I would explain more, but probably would result pretty boring for people that don't really mind the show or the Guide to the Galaxy books.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Fuzzy String Searching with Whoosh in Python by trokster on stackoverflow.com

SPArchaeologist

9:38 AM

grabs popcorn

Last time someone had an "offensive answer" related to fuzzy string matching discussion went on for days. But the question was also about profanity filters.

Let's see if someone justifies this.

rene

it triggers on shit

@SmokeDetector ignore-

SPArchaeologist

@rene actually.... why ignore?

rene

Why not?

Jan Dvorak

Why not FP?

rene

It is not an FP?

but also not an offensive TP

for me?

feel free to tell smokey something else

I'm Dutch, my tolerance level of offensiveness is much higher

Jan Dvorak

9:47 AM

Why's that not a false positive?

SPArchaeologist

meta jurisprudence? Above post seem to indicate consensus to at least remove immature behavior such as ""bad words in code examples" unless it is needed for the sample (again, profanity filters questions come to mind)

rene

@JanDvorak Because shit should trigger smokey to report. It did correctly that

Infinite Recursion

It should trigger on shit but "ignore" this particular post

not a fp

Jan Dvorak

false positive = not offensive marked as offensive. The definition does not include how to train bayesian filter

rene

@InfiniteRecursion that is what I meant to say

Jan Dvorak

9:50 AM

not that we have any bayesian filter anyways

it is normal for a filter to have false positives as well as false negatives. It's not useful to deny that. One does not simply remove a filter because it has a false negative every once in a while

If it has only false positives, it should be removed, but by judging the filter prematurely you deny us of the statistics

Smokey does not flip out when he gets a declined flag warning from us.

Infinite Recursion

Yep, Jan flips out.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website, url in title: http://eyebornfacts.org/le-jeune-anti-wrinkle-complex/ by Billy Garcia on drupal.stackexchange.com

Braiam

so... feature-request have stats about smokey defectiveness

Jan Dvorak

only after @InfiniteRecursion and @rene stop skewing them

Braiam

obviously it would only have from now on

SPArchaeologist

9:59 AM

@JanDvorak here

Jan Dvorak

Hey! I even look a bit like that :-D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Search for women based on location and age by Berin Steven on meta.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

bad keyword: bbwdesire (@ProgramFOX)

SPArchaeologist

wondering.... there is no policy against using secondary account (example: accounts used for chat bot) to double flag spam so that it disappear faster, or when you haven't got any more flags on the primary account right?

not like you gain rep or anything for it.

Jan Dvorak

You use socks to do something the system won't allow you otherwise

SPArchaeologist

10:04 AM

@JanDvorak so guess it is no? ok, will avoid that then.

I was more of the "if the spam is still here, please kill it with every available option"

Patrick Hofman

@inf no problem. I usually comment so it is clear for reviewers why a post should be deleted.

Infinite Recursion

> if the second account allows you to do something on the site that your normal account would be prevented from doing, it is abuse.

source: meta.stackexchange.com/a/57685/245167

rene

I leave for a moment to answer a comment only to find @JanDvorak rattled on...

Point taken

SPArchaeologist

@InfiniteRecursion that was the whole point for asking Inf. I had hoped that when the workaround is to help the system, there were some exception to standard rules, but doesn't seem so. As I said, good to know. Not that I actually need that since I am to few active to use all the daily flags.

Jan Dvorak

what if I use a sock to crank up my spam flag count so that I can flag more of the spam that keeps piling up on the front page of this brand new site? Is it still abuse? — Jan Dvorak 20 secs ago

Mooseman

10:18 AM

@JanDvorak If it is I need to disable a feature of my bot... — Mooseman 19 secs ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: This natural supplement is manufactured by ivory hardiy on superuser.com

Mooseman

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Mooseman Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user, blacklisted website: Inferno and I love it I me already try to use Mary by evieholme on drupal.stackexchange.com

SPArchaeologist

@Mooseman at least be happy that flag are per-site. Image the fun if after you already had to create one thousand to many accounts on each site to fight spam, you also had to work with shared flag counters

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Doubt about circuits with cells having internal resistances by On the way to success on electronics.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

10:27 AM

dat username

"formula"?

PeterJ

Maybe smokey knows the battery's internal resistance should be drawn in series...

Bart

@JanDvorak I'll rename myself to "downhill from here".

Infinite Recursion

10:47 AM

@Bart I'll rename myself to "stay away from here".

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion as long as you don't leave ... ;)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Doubt about circuits with cells having internal resistances by On the way to success on electronics.stackexchange.com

rene

What is the bad keyword? Potentiometer?

Braiam

I was looking for it too...

rene

I don't dare to tpu of fpu without Jan accusing me of training a non-existing filter the wrong way

bummi

10:59 AM

nice: superuser.com/questions/920647/…

PeterJ

lol

bummi

I'll never understand how voting works on the math pages: math.stackexchange.com/q/1302318/90754

Braiam

@bummi Yes is an user there and he doesn't understand it either

SPArchaeologist

@bummi I would try with a question "How can I sleep at night knowing I suggested SharePoint to my client"... except I never do. I am more "You have SharePoint. Live with it. Now we can only try to do damage mitigation"

bummi

curious if my close flag will get declined

SmokeDetector

11:18 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Easy Diet With Safe Weight Loss Pills by Steve Heger on drupal.stackexchange.com

Infinite Recursion

@rene LOL

Mooseman

11:32 AM