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Hi! Can anybody tell me why this room never comes up on my list of favorite chat rooms, even though I've starred it? No hurry, I won't be back for a while. Thanks.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 ^

Unihedro

6:28 PM

@Sue Use a browser.

hichris123

yup. shrugs

ProgramFOX

gone

user259867

@Sue It's attached to meta.SE, so you will not see it on the list of SE rooms. The three chat servers: SE, SO, and meta.SE, work independently.

user259867

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/146748/…

Sam

Eh, Pham caught that. But his tpa command is broken :(

Unihedro

6:30 PM

Pfft.

Lots of borked bots..

Sumurai8

24th flag op drupal. It's literally the only thing I do there :P

Unihedro

650 flags on drupal. And I don't even know what drupal is.

user259867

@SmokeDetector gone

Unihedro

Cool, gone in 8 seconds.

New record!!

Jan Dvorak

No link in that drupal post?

ProgramFOX

6:32 PM

@Unihedro no, it was a repost of what FOX 9000 already reported

user259867

@JanDvorak Sorry, you'll have to look for that live stream yourself

Unihedro

oh, sad.

ProgramFOX

@Undo's server is being slow, that's why Smokey was that late.

Jan Dvorak

dammit :-(

ProgramFOX

But I got to go now, will have to shut down FOX 9000

hichris123

6:33 PM

Smokey needs some more coffee.

user259867

Today's soundtrack: Paul Simon - Everything Put Together Falls Apart

hichris123

I'll start a bot up on my side, @ProgramFOX.

ProgramFOX

... oh, wait, I don't have to go

Unihedro

I'm in this "Why am I subscribed to this channel?!" mode.

ProgramFOX

will be back after dinner

hichris123

6:33 PM

.. or not. ;P

Unihedro

See you!

user259867

@JanDvorak Now it has links (edited in), go watch

Jan Dvorak

ah, cool.

hichris123

!!/alive?

FOX 9000

@hichris123 Kinda sorta

Pham

6:37 PM

Low Quality A (15.1%): answer by DWT worked for me. Thanks., by □ user112844, on apple.stackexchange.com.

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28385839/…

Jan Dvorak

@Pham why

Pham

@JanDvorak
Terms found:
^(?i).{0,80}$  (Sensitivity: 1.2%. Specificity: 99.7%. Ignored: 81.4%. Score: 89. Auto: False)

(?i)thanks?( you)?  (Sensitivity: 1.1%. Specificity: 99.4%. Ignored: 91.4%. Score: 19.4. Auto: False)

Jan Dvorak

@Sam regression

user259867

@JanDvorak The answer was edited within grace period; first revision was "thanks the answer by DWT worked for me"

user259867

6:40 PM

Or, I don't understand why this is a regression

Jan Dvorak

@FamousBlueRaincoat Pham should have blamed the TPAer

Sam

@JanDvorak I'm working on that.

hichris123

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/questions/28385911/…

user259867

BTW that answer by DWT is copy-pasted from some forum (see the source)..

user259867

@hichris123 gone

user259867

6:44 PM

What to do with a copy-pasted answer when the OP is long gone?

user259867

For now, I left a comment with link to source.

user259867

That question has 30000 views, and no post with positive score.

hichris123

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/questions/28385999/…

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28385950/…

user259867

@hichris123 gone

user259867

7:03 PM

Drupal spam still needs flags

user259867

7:16 PM

gone now

Sam

Spam?

ProgramFOX

back

user259867

@Sam flagged as such

Sam

@Andy ^ That shouldn't have been picked up by zephyr.

Sumurai8

@Sam Flagged it as spam. It is plain solicitation.

Pham

7:19 PM

Low Quality Q (TPA'd by Pham): What is the best method for listening for data on /dev/ttyAMA0 using Perl, by ■ Tony, on serverfault.com.

Sam

Erm.

@Sumurai8 k

ProgramFOX

Well, Pham is a fast learner.

:P

Sam

lol

Jan Dvorak

eh, what?

user259867

Low Quality TPA?

Sam

7:20 PM

He's looking at the report message, not the tpa message; thus he says it's tpa'd by himself.

Jan Dvorak

um...

Sumurai8

What is TPA even?

ProgramFOX

@Sumurai8 "True Positive Announce"

Sam

@Sumurai8 It's the command used to repost reports in the tavern.

Jan Dvorak

true positive / announce

ProgramFOX

7:22 PM

erm

fixed

(why did I think of accept?)

Jan Dvorak

hcik?

Sumurai8

I see

(which probably means I am not blind)

Pham

Low Quality Q (TPA'd by Sam): syntax error, unexpected tIVAR, expecting end-of-input, by □ user3905353, on stackoverflow.com.

Sam

There, fixed.

Jan Dvorak

\o/

Sam

7:28 PM

And that also closes #67/68.

hichris123

7:40 PM

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/questions/28386492/…

ProgramFOX

... someone cv'd as "unclear what you're asking"

weird, my SmokeDetector clone stopped

!!/alive?

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX ... did I miss something?

ProgramFOX

okay, back

hichris123

@ProgramFOX It rebooted.

I think?

ProgramFOX

yeah, I did that manually

that was why I said "back"

hichris123

7:50 PM

ah.

hichris123

8:05 PM

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/questions/28386654/…

user259867

@hichris123 nuked

ProgramFOX

I have to go now, shutting down my local SmokeDetector.

!!/alive?

Seems like the real one is still dead, so it would be nice if anyone else could run a local copy.

Cya!

user259867

@hichris123 ^

hichris123

!!/alive?

@hichris123 plz send teh coffee

status-completed

!!/rev

@hichris123 [](github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit)

Doorknob

[your link is borken]()

hichris123

8:16 PM

Yeah, because I'm running it on Windows.

!!/alive?

@hichris123 plz send teh coffee

Jan Dvorak

8:29 PM

@Pham gone

user259867

Not sure it will continue, but call girls? could be a useful regex.

user259867

The 404 page showed this as a related question: ONLINE ESCORT SERVICE Patent Application - PRIOR ART REQUEST

user259867

(Not spam)

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28230465/…

user259867

8:55 PM

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/28387265/…

user259867

@hichris123 On realtime, missed by bot

Sam

>>git

Pham

@Sam Closes #67 & closes #68 by Sam - ab27b65.

Sam

Good good.

user259867

In practice, it should not really matter if bots catch support questions or not -- on SO, they get hammered near instantly anyway.

Sam

9:06 PM

@Pham gone

!!/alive

hichris123

@Sam plz send teh coffee

Sam

No no, mez need teh coffee.

user259867

It's a bit late for coffee in your timezone.

Sam

True.

user259867

The latest spam also was on realtime. The format was 1 - 123-456-6789 Gmail toll free number -Gmail password recovery-Google

user259867

9:10 PM

They keep adding whitespace to avoid phone number detection, it seems

Sam

@FamousBlueRaincoat Yeah, pham got it.

I wonder why they've started this spam onslaught now.

Pham

Low Quality Q?: Problems with Soomla Social for Unity3D, by □ Roman, on stackoverflow.com.

user259867

Can be closed as either unclear or OT-not-present-code-not-working

user259867

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/28387550/…

bjb568

What security questions should DevDoodle's login form ask?

Bart

9:24 PM

@FamousBlueRaincoat it's never too late for coffee

user259867

@FamousBlueRaincoat mod-nuked

Sam

@bjb568 As in anti-bot Qs?

user259867

@bjb568 Expand the polynomial (x+3)^2

bjb568

Yeah.

@FamousBlueRaincoat Ooh good idea.

Solve the equation also would work.

Sam

> What is the best programming language in the world?

Bart

9:27 PM

Now that's a useful question to ask which has a clearcut answer.

user259867

`^^^^^^^^^^///***///***@#$#1 - 123-345-5678 @@@@Gmail tech support -Gmail tech support number -Google`
I sense their desperation.

Bart

@FamousBlueRaincoat perhaps we should link them to the repository of the bots. Just to give them a head start.

Sam

@Bart Yep, it's sure to stop any bot (and probably most newbie coders).

user259867

By the way, the slug part of the URL omits that garbage they throw in. I'll consider using that for parsing too, with different regexes.
E.g., the above becomes `1-123-345-5678-gmail-tech-support-gmail-tech-su`
... except the title is cut off :(

bjb568

Ooh, how about "What color is this?" with it styled by CSS?

Bots can't figure that out, can they?

Sam

9:30 PM

It's possible, I guess.

user259867

@bjb568 Think of colorblind people

Sam

^

bjb568

Oh.

Sam

You could ask them what their favourite language is, then ask them to write a "hello world" snippet.

Bart

@Sam make it FizzBuzz

Sam

9:34 PM

:D

user259867

Infinite recursion in the title: How to ask this question

Pham

9:50 PM

Spam Q (TPA'd by Sam): @1 - 844-780-6762 !#####hotmail customer support phone number - hotmail customer service phone number, by □ tejveer iq, on stackoverflow.com.

user259867

On realtime tab

Sam

^ off

hichris123

@FamousBlueRaincoat Yeah, my bot is dying for some reason.

user259867

3 hours ago, by Famous Blue Raincoat

Today's soundtrack: Paul Simon - Everything Put Together Falls Apart

Sam

lol, how ironic.

Frank

9:52 PM

@Pham gone

Sam

Spam gone too.

Braiam

10:08 PM

God was like, "Let there be light," and there was light.

2

too like, many wow

Sam

Like that's ever going to happen.

Braiam

Like I bet you it happens

Pham

Low Quality A (TPA'd by Sam): IjhfgjyfgjfFffffffghhcdfhhklouyrwasfgjkihbdgg, by □ Fujvfvnkiygf, on gaming.stackexchange.com.

Sam

... like his mum actually calls him "Fujvfvnkiygf".

bjb568

boom

Sam

10:20 PM

bang

pow

zap

zing

zang

zoom

10:22 PM

-7

Q: Trying to get 20 rep to talk in the chat room

Just trying to get 20 rep so yea i hope this isn't against the rules or anything. SO i hope someone can tell me how to get 20 rep quick. Blah blah blah blah? Blah blah blah? Blah blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.

lol

… that dp

... that acronym that no one knows.

bjb568

pic

►

lel, went to club last week and there were like… nobody there. Email:
> Next week, $name the engineer [there are multiple $names] will be coming and we want FULL ATTENDANCE. Also, there may be edible things for you.

also
> From this point forward, if you plan on not attending, you MUST notify us and send us a email w/ your progress (~50-100 words).

our pitiful club

user259867

What kind of club?

user259867

10:29 PM

Also, SO has tags rep, repeat and repetition

user259867

Sounds... repetitive

bjb568

@FamousBlueRaincoat Science olypiad

Nobody really does any work in it.

hichris123

SPAM: stackoverflow.com/questions/28388267/…

user259867

Now they use tildes for -. The url slug takes care of that... but I don't know how to reliably do it on the full title.

user259867

Gone, btw

bjb568

10:47 PM

►

kewl

user259867

SPAM superuser.com/questions/875080/…

hichris123

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you spam our site.

Unihedro

Who's Dave?

user259867

The OP of that post ^

:p

10:54 PM

@FamousBlueRaincoat mmm... who the heck voted to close that

user259867

Who knows... gone now

user259867

Ooh, I'm in top 9% of SO users for the quarter. This says something about the userbase.

bjb568

11:14 PM

Can windows users see ² ?

Kevin Brown

@bjb568 They should be able to (not that I'm on windows)

bjb568

Good.

Windows has crappy unicode support.

complains to @hichris

user259867

On Windows, and I see it. But why not <sup>2</sup>?

Unihedro

No markdown on chat.

bjb568

@FamousBlueRaincoat Coz

I'm inserting it with CSS anyway.

so more complicated that way.

hichris123

11:16 PM

@bjb568 Yes.

Unihedro

ᴵ ᶜᵃᶰ ˢᵉᵉ ᵐʸ ʰᵒᵘˢᵉ ᶠʳᵒᵐ ʰᵉʳᵉ﹗

hichris123

Unihedro

I thought windows users were blind.

MYTH BUSTED

bjb568

:D

user259867

<-- sometimes uses Windows Vista, when nobody is watching

bjb568

11:21 PM

D:

Braiam

D:

bjb568

user259867

Does it accept 22x+121+x^2 as a valid answe?

bjb568

Of course!

user259867

How do you check the correctness?

bjb568

11:35 PM

I'm finishing up that code…

Unihedro

Ugh, math.

bjb568

Heh, sublime doesn't recognize "|=" as an assignment operator.

Yi Jiang

@bjb568 Which language uses that?

bjb568

JS

hichris123

@bjb568 That's worse than a CAPTCHA.

bjb568

11:39 PM

… how?

hichris123

... you know how easy it is for a bot to do that?

bjb568

It's inserted via CSS.

It's designed to deter bots that go sweeping across many sites looking for common patterns and easy vulnerabilities. Not for targeted bots.

hichris123

And not to mention the fact that you're reinventing the wheel.

bjb568

Great!

hichris123

No, that's stupid.

Especially so with security.

Unihedro

11:42 PM

@bjb568 Phantom.js can go thru JS floodwalls and CSS content matchers.

bjb568

@hichris123 That's my style!

Unihedro

So using CSS to insert your security question, even if dynamic, does no good or security.

hichris123

You just called yourself stupid...

Unihedro

A more practical way is to generate a dynamic pic, really.

hichris123

@Unihedro ... which is what?

A CAPTCHA!

Unihedro

11:43 PM

Duh.

:P

lichess has amazing captcha.

bjb568

@Unihedro Most bots don't read CSS.

Unihedro

@bjb568 I am sorry to reject your assumption.

Bots can go pretty far than you expect.

bjb568

Whatevs.

I'm blocking the 99%, not the 1%. It doesn't matter what they can do.

Unihedro

Even the new google click with user statistics and optimization hashing isn't good enough, really.

hichris123

@bjb568 laughs no, not really

bjb568

11:46 PM

Ok, fine, if you're such an expert, why don't you link to a bot study?

To see what teh average bot is.

hichris123

This is from my experience in making bots.

I've made a bot with Phantom.js.

Not for bad stuff, obviously, just to fetch data, but still.

Unihedro

I do however really like lichess's captcha, which matches with the theme. You can learn from them and build some captcha that's related to your site theme or audience:

That is, if you really bother reinventing the wheel, you will look less stupid.

bjb568

Nobody complained this much at my markdown parser…

Unihedro

Hey, a captcha unique to this site that the site author handcrafted it! It's a crappy check, but it looks cool.

@bjb568 Well, it's a non-captcha…

bjb568

It blocks something. That something is what I don't want, so it's useful. It doesn't really block something I do want, so it's not that bad.

Unihedro

11:50 PM

That something is 2% of what you do not want, which are mediocre captcha overriders who can't even code their bot with a decent framework but still insist on doing it all from scratch yet have no skill set to-

Never mind.

bjb568

ok

Unihedro

Now that I think about it, it isn't that bad really.

If they do use a bot and it solves the capcha on their own, they've deserved participating on DevDoodle.

shrugs

bjb568

And if they do post spam, they get review queues!

Unihedro

Access to review queues or added to review queues?

bjb568