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ManishBot

1:26 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: UISEARCH BAR SET UITEXTFIELD FOCUS on stackoverflow.com

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haha, we managed to delete a mod's answer with 6 delete recommendation.

user0000000

1:43 AM

@FinalContest where?

why are the review queues always slower on the weekend? have to do with the data dump?

Final Contest

@user0000000: stackoverflow.

user0000000

yea SO

Final Contest

go to a party, not review!

user0000000

how does one get invited to a party?

Final Contest

you do not need to; just make one :)

Braiam

1:53 AM

Menu -> Party -> Create

D:

Final Contest

@Braiam: I real geek does it programatically.

jadarnel27

2:14 AM

Brown.

PeterJ

4:13 AM

Threats against a specific user: chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8409/… (appears to be same fool as yesterday with a new account complaining about those who commented / closed)

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BIND DNS SERVFAIL ERROR on serverfault.com

ManishBot

4:43 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: [$H^1(X) = [X,S^1]$?](math.stackexchange.com/questions/843191/h1x-x-s1) on math.stackexchange.com

ManishBot

6:00 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BIND DNS SERVFAIL ERROR on serverfault.com

Shadow Wizard

6:36 AM

@nicael just curious, what's your motive in all of this?

Jan Dvorak

7:00 AM

more of the anti-china threats: chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8410/…, chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8408/…

offensive: chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8393/…, chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8380/…

Shadow Wizard

lol
"put on hold as unclear what you're asking"

Jan Dvorak

The last one is even better:

> Duplicate of [the other offensive post]

Shadow Wizard

Users there got no idea how to use Stack Exchange system, too bad

Should we tell them there is flagging system?

Jan Dvorak

I'll have to keep an eye on China

3

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak yeah, good luck with that! ;)

Jan Dvorak

7:05 AM

(the SE site)

Shadow Wizard

The site also got only three moderators (one isn't active for over a month so not counting him) and all appear to be in same time zone which is far away from China.

All in all, that's a spammer/troll jackpot site!

Jan Dvorak

I thought bitcoin.se was?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak oh, not familiar with it. If it got users oblivious to the option to flag and no active moderators then yes, it also is.

Jan Dvorak

speaking of bitcoin, the last two questions seem to be spam

Shadow Wizard

lol

How the managed to dodge your bot?

Jan Dvorak

7:09 AM

the chinese guy, you mean?

I'll investigate

not sure how to catch this. He's not using any swearwords.

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak I saw some in the body, meant bitcoin spam (you said last two are spam)

Jan Dvorak

I should have caught at least one of these. Maybe it just didn't make it to the websocket?

should I start listening to all per-site front-page sockets?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak yes, if you listen only to the real time socket of SE it ought to miss some.

Jan Dvorak

Why so?

Shadow Wizard

With so many sites, sometimes two or more questions can be submitted in the exact same time, so I guess in such case only the first goes through to the real time updates

Nick or Geoff can confirm or disprove it though :)

Jan Dvorak

7:22 AM

@ShadowWizard w0t? Why would one get dropped?

Is there a nice way to find out on how many sites I have the Marshall badge?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak just a feeling

@JanDvorak nope, pretty sure we don't have any way for cross site stats beyond what's exposed in the network profile

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard Not sure how I could test this. Sounds plausible, though. Thanks.

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak my pleasure?

Jan Dvorak

Hmm... what happens if two questions happen to be posted at the exact same time on the same site? Do they get dropped from the per-site sockets?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak my gut feeling is yes, but of course can't know for sure

Jan Dvorak

7:29 AM

is there a nice automated way to get the site ID from the site API name? I don't want to grep the per-page javascript.

Hmm... I guess I could grep the per-page javascript

ManishBot

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword detected: RuNIcHa@!BaLaJi*91-9672517737black magic specialist baba on english.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak yeah, sounds like the safest way

Jan Dvorak

Another option would be to store these things manually and then notify for unknown sites

(and also update the "how do the sockets work" meta question)

"Look for "..." in the second inline script in the head of the page you download" - does that sound reliable?

but first: don't remember the known-good questions, because you don't want to consume 300MiB of memory

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak sounds reliable but they might change the wording without notice

Jan Dvorak

They could reorder the scripts, but I don't expect the method name to change anytime soon. They might add a few spaces, but if they do, I can fix my regex easily.

by "wording", do you mean my pseudocode?

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/180222/…

huh... is he telling us what sites he will never spam?

is anyone else using my script?

Jan Dvorak

8:07 AM

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/180225/…

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak lol, more likely testing the spam filters

Jan Dvorak

does he expect to trick me? If so, he isn't trying very hard.

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak think he's trying to trick the auto filters, Tim Post mentioned their existence in the past

Jan Dvorak

to him?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak no, it was after a major baba spam so Tim posted here in the Tavern

Jan Dvorak

8:14 AM

oh. Good :-)

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/180226/…

CRAP meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234388/…

Shadow Wizard

> member for 5 years, 4 months

Jan Dvorak

I've just looked at the per-site websocket payload. WTH IS THAT???

It has exactly 5 fields: id, body, tags, siteid, fetch. Guess what body is?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak empty?

Jan Dvorak

nope

Shadow Wizard

8:29 AM

@JanDvorak showing only short excerpt?

Jan Dvorak

nope

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak title?!

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak It returns "404 Not Found"?

Jan Dvorak

nope and nope

37 lines of HTML

Shadow Wizard

nope to whom?

Jan Dvorak

8:31 AM

double escaped, because JSON inside JSON

Shadow Wizard

You can't use me
You can't use me
You can't use me
You can't use me
You can't use me
You can't use me
You can't use me
You can't use me
....
?

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard not that. It's the exact HTML that will get cut'n'pasted into the front page.

Because server-side templating FTW and who cares about bandwidth?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak think Nick cares :)

Jan Dvorak

The best part is that it uses the same websocket endpoint (\d+-questions-active) as the realtime SE tab, but the format is vastly different

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/180228/…

ProgramFOX

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/180228/…

Oops, too late :P

Jan Dvorak

8:39 AM

I appreciate your effort, though :-)

Shadow Wizard

8:51 AM

@ProgramFOX your bot is also detecting spam? ;)

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard That's not a bot :)

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX so you are a bot! :P

Jan Dvorak

humans are but robots made out of carbon compounds

self-repairing

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak and some magic soup making the whole thing work ;)

Jan Dvorak

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Not being able to physically see the creator makes the feeling of magic even stronger.

Shadow Wizard

8:55 AM

@JanDvorak I see my creators once a week or so. ;)

user0000000

9:08 AM

ugh, the title of this question made it seem worth reading meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261182/…

is this right? it says the last update was 6 hours ago? data.stackexchange.com/help

did they change from early monday to sunday?

Jan Dvorak

offensive: chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8412/…

Jan Dvorak

9:42 AM

Do I read correctly you are saying "my question isn't a duplicate of that question because my question isn't a question"? — Jan Dvorak 1 min ago

Shadow Wizard

10:15 AM

lol didn't notice you're the one posting it

user0000000

lol, i figured that's why you deleted it : )

Shadow Wizard

Anyway maybe they have something scheduled for Monday so wanted to make sure SEDE is updated

(e.g. another server move tomorrow, so won't be able to update)

user0000000

i see

i found this post before posting though, which says that it's updated every sunday meta.stackexchange.com/questions/183774/… , so i thought maybe it is every sunday?

but that post is from a year ago

Shadow Wizard

@user0000000 maybe it's not a set day, one time Sunday and one time Monday... can't really know. :(

user0000000

maybe it takes 24 hours to update fully? lol

rene

11:00 AM

Good afternoon!

jadarnel27

Good morning!

user0000000

Good Monring!IJO

thoughts? stackoverflow.com/a/24344513/3041194

Jan Dvorak

@user0000000 link-only at best

jadarnel27

The question seems like garbage.

rene

Could be a fine flag reason: Seems garbage

Jan Dvorak

11:06 AM

VLQ?

rene

Added with sound effects of stuff thrown in dustbins?

user0000000

i checked that user's answers, and it seems he has 7 just like that

flagging for mod -other

rene

@ShadowWizard shouldn't the please help me also be edited out?

@user0000000 At least he is consistent...

Shadow Wizard

@user0000000 that's spam, it's his own project and cost money

user0000000

stackoverflow.com/a/24347312/3041194 cool jsfiddle button

Shadow Wizard

11:35 AM

@user0000000 better than using <kbd></kbd> or inline code for it, that's for sure :)

Jan Dvorak

OK, WTF? The per-site socket contains no clue whatsoever about the site API name. The only clue it has is the site ID. Do I have to hold a reverse map?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak more like treasure map ;)

Jan Dvorak

:-D

nicael

11:54 AM

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/227898/… - :-)))))

Shadow Wizard

@nicael wonder how I missed that! good reading. :D

Jan Dvorak

any idea how the site IDs are generated?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak knowing the devs a bit, I would take a wild guess and say.... random.

Jan Dvorak

let me dump them into a spread sheet...

hmm... more than half of the sites I've found so far are clustered just above 100

user0000000

@nicael they still haven't suspended you :p lol

rene

12:00 PM

@JanDvorak isn't that this list meta.stackexchange.com/a/222845/158100?

Jan Dvorak

the maximum so far is 542

@rene yep, except I'm running my own script to get the IDs

the socket server doesn't seem to have a problem feeding me from tens of endpoints at once, it seems

nicael

@user0000000 despite your best effort ))) I told Nick Craver that I was surprised ))

... and mhlester's flags ;-)

Shadow of the Shadow

Hmm.... my master can't post. Maybe I can?

user0000000

@nicael oh, i didn't personally try to get you suspended, there was already enough people after you : ) , would really like to see you find another loophole though

Shadow Wizard

Trying again to post....

@user0000000 he did find

user0000000

12:07 PM

he found another one already?

nicael

@user0000000 meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234279/… And further comments :D

Nick Craver wished me good luck ))

user0000000

Good Night!

nicael

@user0000000 Er.. Good morning...

Shadow Wizard

That's the association I got when reading that comment from Nick ;P

Is 3:15 PM morning, noon or something else?

nicael

@ShadowWizard 4:15 PM

And PM isn't supposed to be "morning, noon or something else"? ;-)

Shadow Wizard

12:18 PM

well, the "M" does stand for "morning" afaik

Jan Dvorak

Well, the "P" stands for "post-", which is latin for "after"

(and "M" stands for "meridiam" = "midday")

PeterJ

It's back on in Chinese.SE: chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8413/…

Jan Dvorak

Why did I just get a per-site websocket response with an empty body?

nicael

@PeterJ I joined Chinese.SE recently specifically to flag spam :-)

Jan Dvorak

I flag these as offensive

PeterJ

12:31 PM

@nicael, looking at how they're handling some of them I suspect most of the flags are coming from here lol

Shadow Wizard

@PeterJ finally they learned to flag out there, it's gone

@JanDvorak caching? ;)

Jan Dvorak

...

PeterJ

@ShadowWizard, yeah I guess it might be one of their first 'attacks'. I noticed a few of the people who used VTC instead weren't all that active elsewhere on SE.

nicael

But this is still alive!

Jan Dvorak

offensive chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8414/…

@nicael I've already flagged that

it's off the front page, though

nicael

12:37 PM

@Jan Spammer is very clever to post that often: he knows that I will run out of flags soon :D

(I mean, reach daily flags cap)

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak Gone

Jan Dvorak

yay, finally!

offensive chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8415/…

PeterJ

Interesting, 4th post from same user number after 3 offensive deletions. I thought the block was after 3?

Jan Dvorak

What made you think so?

PeterJ

Checked my flag history - all the same user number at the start and appeared after last ones had been deleted

Jan Dvorak

12:52 PM

I mean, why do you think the limit is 3?

Shadow Wizard

@PeterJ there is no auto account deletion

PeterJ

Not sure now you mention it - just thought I'd seen it always come in groups of 3 from one account in the past before they created a new one.

Shadow Wizard

And probably no question ban on small sites

PeterJ

The no question ban on smaller sites is probably it. A bit odd though, you'd think they could do with it most?

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard that would be surprising

Shadow Wizard

12:53 PM

That troll can keep posting his stuff for long long time, unless a moderator will nuke the account

TGMCians

\o

Jan Dvorak

at which point they'll create a sock

o/

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak yup

Braiam

@nicael boom

Shadow Wizard

@Braiam finally, two whole days too late

Braiam

12:55 PM

Click "flag" -> select "it is spam" -> click "flag question" -> ... -> boom? — Braiam 25 secs ago

ProgramFOX

My offensive flag for that question was marked helpful this morning, but the question was not removed.

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam I'd say "offensive", not "spam"

Braiam

@JanDvorak I would say they're trying to promote something, no?

Jan Dvorak

It seems they're just ranting about one of the mods

Shadow Wizard

@Braiam no

it's pure useless offensive rant against specific user in the site

Braiam

12:58 PM

@JanDvorak trolling?

oh

Shadow Wizard

Quite like the troll who came to Meta to insult Tim (Post) a while ago

ProgramFOX

Offensive: chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8416/…

Braiam

meh, he seems to be spam-ming questions

wow, <1 min

nicael

@ProgramFOX that gone fast

Shadow Wizard

At least 5 questions from same user, all super downvotes, all deleted yet he keeps posting. Proof there is no post ban.

And no moderators in there.

Braiam

1:02 PM

we need the spam flag!

Jan Dvorak

seems like a mod has just woken up

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak no, mod would have nuked the account.

Jan Dvorak

hmm...

Shadow Wizard

More likely it's Stan himself and five of us here.

Braiam

chinese.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators says "nope"

nicael

1:03 PM

DAMN, 2 flags left.

Braiam

btw, one mod last seen may 26?

nicael

Almost run out of them

Shadow Wizard

@Braiam yup, he's gone.

http://chinese.stackexchange.com/users/43/alenanno --> 2 days ago
http://chinese.stackexchange.com/users/16/don-kirkby --> yesterday
http://chinese.stackexchange.com/users/2274/growler --> 20 hours ago

and fourth one I'm not even counting

Braiam

time to learn chinnese... perhaps?

Shadow Wizard

So.... SE got unmoderated site :(

nicael

1:06 PM

Wait, latest seen 20h ago and even didn't noticed any spam?

TGMCians

Is there any specific meta site for India as like China ??

Shadow Wizard

@nicael from quick look on all four moderators, none was active for long time. Maybe a comment once a month or so. So yeah, looks like they don't really check the site.

@TGMCians what?

Jan Dvorak

should we notify MSE?

PeterJ

@TGMCians, that's a Chinese Language site, as far as I know there isn't an equivalent for Indian languages / culture but there are a few related proposals on Area 51.

TGMCians

OK

Shadow Wizard

1:10 PM

@JanDvorak yup, I would choose the email path

Braiam

@JanDvorak is unmanageable?

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard please do. I'm bad at writing emails

Braiam

well, we can't expect any action before monday hit?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak might do when having time to think of suitable message

@Braiam leaving a site wide open for spamming/trolling in weekends is a bad idea, they need better moderators in there that's for sure.

"better" means at least one who is active more, well, often. :)

Braiam

@ShadowWizard well, AU had a entire weekend without mods and we managed... granted we had people that can protect questions (me), several users that could help flagging (AU chat room + RA and the bridge)

Jan Dvorak

1:17 PM

offensive chinese.stackexchange.com/questions/8417/…

one flag remaining

PeterJ

I'm out of ammo, anyway need to head of soon...

jadarnel27

Good grief. That person is persistent.

Braiam

I think we would be more effective if we use the spam flag

ProgramFOX

@Braiam Why?

Braiam

@Shog9 shall excuse us for misusing the flag, but this is reaching spam levels

ProgramFOX

1:19 PM

Spam and offensive flags have the same effect.

Braiam

@ProgramFOX what's "spam"?

@ProgramFOX and nope

Jan Dvorak

IIUC, they even stack

Braiam

spam flags activates ip blocking, keyword search for prevention and more shinnies, offensives doesn't have such features

ProgramFOX

@Braiam Yes, they have the same effect. After 6 offensive flags, the post is also removed.

Braiam

@ProgramFOX that's the only effect you see

there's more going on with spam flags in backend than the offensive flag

jadarnel27

1:21 PM

Hey, have any of you cool kids played Rogue Legacy?

ProgramFOX

@Braiam oh, nice

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam source?

nicael

I have one bullet left.

Shadow Wizard

@Braiam it's per site and most likely this poor Chinese site got none of those yet

I have a feeling that in this specific case, the troll is going to win :(

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard only until our flags refill

ProgramFOX

1:24 PM

You can always delete and recreate your account if you run out of flags.

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX sure way to get suspended... but on the other hand, fight fire with fire :D

nicael

@ProgramFOX Heh, didn't noticed. Thought that I can't as if I left one vote.

@ShadowWizard why?

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/180245/…

ProgramFOX

Hmm... as long as you don't abuse the extra flags you get, I don't think you would get suspended.

Jan Dvorak

@ProgramFOX I won't risk that

Baba is actually a nice refresher after all that chinese guy

2

Braiam

1:29 PM

4

A: Why do we need both spam and offensive flags?

I'll quote myself regarding Jeff's explanation for two separate types. [...] Jeff's plan according to a blog post was that in the future posts that are highlighted as spam will be used to help construct better measures to protect against spam. How far along this has come is unknown. What we...