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12:00 AM

I don't have 10k yet.. and I can only cast like 20 in the lat answers queue, but not all 20 would deserve it, and I have like 100 flags that I want to put to use.

hichris123

@JeroenVannevel We're not 10k'ers... :(

Jeroen Vannevel

pfffrt

common people

hichris123

:P

animuson

@JeroenVannevel You were looking for the VIP section of the Tavern. Right this way, sir.

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Braiam

12:39 AM

this is OT right? stackoverflow.com/q/14379164/792066

LowerClassOverflowian

Why aren't people understanding my intelligence today. So disappointing.

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Q: Victim of revenge downvoting of questions

I have recently been the victim of revenge downvoting. I think the evidence is pretty clear: Except for the Roslyn one, these are all ancient questions. I don't often get downvotes on questions, but it happens from time to time. The fact that: They came so close together Yet were cunningl...

LowerClassOverflowian

1:07 AM

I figured it out. It's monday.

And the lost hour of sleep.

jadarnel27

1:24 AM

"Garbage disposal, what a way to go! Garbage disPOSal...meet So-and-so."

That close vote queue has sure been dropping at a slower rate.

Of course, it takes more reviews to get them out of the queue at this point.

But it also seems like there are less reviews per day.

I think we maybe had 6k reviews yesterday. It spiked up to 13k when the "burn the queue" campaign was created.

michaelb958

Quick question: "a HTTPS foo" or "an HTTPS foo"? I'm leaning towards the latter, but would appreciate input.

Adel

1:49 AM

Hi all. May I please be un-blocked from Meta? I served my time

animuson

We can't manually lift a question block.

jadarnel27

@michaelb958 I'd say "an." But I don't know which is more grammatical.

When you say the word "h," it's pronounced as though it starts with a vowel.

michaelb958

@jadarnel27 Yeah, that was my logic. I don't know which is more grammatical either, but in the absence of anything else, I'll go with "an".

animuson

It's a good question for English.SE but who knows how the hell you search for "a" and "an" without having the words thrown out as too general.

Braiam

@jadarnel27 ELL says that either way is fine as long as sounds good

Adel

2:33 AM

How do I get unbanned f/ meta ? I promise to behave

hichris123

@Adel Question banned? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/86997/…

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jadarnel27

@Adel I have heard that posting answers (that get upvoted) is a way to get out of that predicament.

jadarnel27

2:56 AM

Or you can make a pointless edit to an upvoted question. But I think posting answers will be more effective.

devnull

Please don't suggest making pointless edits. If I were the reviewer, chances are that those would be rejected. Too many edit suggestions being rejected isn't good, nah?

animuson

Opinions anyone:? pastebin.com/RNmDMw9p

devnull

@animuson Are you serious? Have you encountered a flag saying: "Stupid question belongs on superuser.com"?

animuson

You'd be surprised...

Those are all made-up examples, but they're based on things we've actually seen... sadly.

michaelb958

@animuson I like it.

hichris123

3:06 AM

@animuson That's going to be a question with the headings as separate answers, right? Love it!

devnull

Too long. Not yet done with it. But seems good.

On a second thought, who reads the FAQs anyways!

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jadarnel27

@devnull I was being sarcastic, about the edit. Adel asked about getting out of the question ban, then made a pointless edit to his highest-voted question.

devnull

@jadarnel27 I didn't refer to the question. Commented simply on the basis of the (lone) note that I saw.

michaelb958

Oh, wow, the off-topicness is amazing.

> I've been in an argument on Youtube with this guy for a week or so now, and he's been racist and been preaching hate the entire time through. Can I report him somewhere to get him fined or something?

jadarnel27

@devnull It sounds like you are saying your statement was in response to my chat message, after first taking my chat message out of context.

devnull

3:12 AM

@animuson Isn't it possible to implement a variable limit for flags? To elaborate: i. folks have a certain number of daily flag limit, ii. the limit is increased/decreased based on the ratio of valid flags to the total flags.

animuson

Well, currently you get more flags based on how many helpful - declined flags you've had in the past.

devnull

@animuson Oh, it's already done? I didn't know that.

animuson

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A: On the recent changes to flagging and limits

You start with 10 flags per day. Based on your reputation and flagging history, you can end up with as many as 100 per day. Currently, that means you get an extra flag per day for every 2000 reputation points or 10 net helpful flags (helpful-unhelpful). Since you have an insane number of help...

Somewhat. You can also gain them for reputation, but more or less.

devnull

@animuson You might want to elaborate/clarify "Not an answer" -- I've myself been utterly confused about this in the past, and it's common to see folks who don't understand it and end up using it incorrectly.

That's bad! No wonder I've never had more than 100 flags a day.

animuson

This post is mainly focused on the user of "other" flags. I only mentioned the spam/offensive flags as an afterthought. I might remove that section.

The problem we, as moderators, are having is that the "other" section of the flags queue is a mountain (currently 1500) of all kinds of random flags that shouldn't have been cast in the first place.

To put that into perspective, that's 1500 out of the 1800 existing flags.

Braiam

3:23 AM

anyone knows chef here?

devnull

It's not surprising. There is a general misunderstanding that one needs to flag everything (for moderator attention) when the community can handle most of it.

animuson

And I really don't want to start another war convo on NAA/VLQ when that's not what I'm trying to focus on.

devnull

Fair enough. I wasn't very clear on what the objective was to begin with. Moreover, putting everything into a single document might be way too much to digest for us earthlings.

Shog9

@devnull Here, let me make it simple. Forget about answers. Think about apples instead. Now, in the image below there are 5 fruits - tell me which one is Not an Apple:

It works the same way for Not an Answer flags.

devnull

@Shog9 The second one?

Shog9

3:26 AM

Bingo.

animuson

The fourth one doesn't really look like an apple either. Looks like a nectarine with the seed removed from the middle.

devnull

@Shog9 Aha! You must be a great teacher. You gave a perfect analogy that even a 2-year old would understand.

hichris123

Shog will now try to get 2 year olds allowed on Stack Exchange. Watch your babies carefully!

Braiam

@animuson nitpicky

Shog9

@animuson It's an apple. Trust me, I've cored a lot of apples.

devnull

3:31 AM

And then Shog would launch another SE site similar to parenting but instead meant for toddlers and kids. Maybe kidding.SE?

Shog9

ha

devnull

Morning @LowerClassOverflowian -- I've resisted too long to say this, but I must admit that your name smells of racism.

LowerClassOverflowian

? are you trying to make a joke

morning though

devnull

nay

LowerClassOverflowian

You must watch too much MSNBC or something, everything is racist in some people's eyes

devnull

3:36 AM

maybe

LowerClassOverflowian

I actually just change my name like once a month or so. Try to find creative names.

I think the reason I picked this name was because of all the downvotes I was receiving on Meta for suggesting ways to help the site

I'll be changing my name probably within the next week , any suggestions?

devnull

Voting rarely had any logic.

(Earthlings rarely have any logic.)

Braiam

@devnull what did you expect? The universe was hacked with perl....

devnull

@Braiam I don't quire understand what you mean. But humans are irrational. That is a fact I was trying to state. It manifests in different forms, though.

LowerClassOverflowian

Lol @devnull . Stop the human bashing!

I like how micro economics is built under the assumption that people are rational

devnull

3:44 AM

@LowerClassOverflowian hmm.. "Marginal utility" -- does that explain ____ are rational?

Marginal utility

In economics, the marginal utility of a good or service is the gain from an increase or loss from a decrease in the consumption of that good or service. Economists sometimes speak of a law of diminishing marginal utility, meaning that the first unit of consumption of a good or service yields more utility than the second and subsequent units, with a continuing reduction for greater amounts. The marginal decision rule states that a good or service should be consumed at a quantity at which the marginal utility is equal to the marginal cost. Marginality The term marginal refers to a small ch...

Maybe, rational but stupid?

LowerClassOverflowian

I enjoy every reputation point just like it were my first

devnull

ok, don't think of points. Think of pizzas instead. What if you were given a dozen pizzas in one go? (Assume that you can't trade those for anything else.)

LowerClassOverflowian

I'd probably throw up half way through the second pizza

Braiam

the problem is that you presume that "rational" in economy means "not stupid", when it means "involves a decision making process" and just that

the result is not relevant as long as there's a process to reach it