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jadarnel27

00:15

@Bart I'm trying to learn Spanish, which is why I was asking how you learned English.

I'm trying out Rosetta Stone. I like it so far.

Braiam

00:46

wait, bart know spanish?

The Guy with The Hat

01:36

I think I just got quasiserial downvoted

stackoverflow.com/users/2846923/…

Unfortunately it isn't enough to trigger the unserialvote script

jadarnel27

@Braiam Haha, perhaps my statement was misleading =P

Bart

06:18

Ah cool @jadarnel27. I'm currently trying out Duolingo. Don't know how effective it will be, but it might be worth a try.

Shadow Wizard

07:13

@hichris123 well, he deleted it himself again.

@Bart but Bart is not a Dutch name...

RUJordan

07:37

@RUJordan Answer me ! — crypticous 3 mins ago

what do I do when a user starts to spam you?

The notifications are getting annoying

Jan Dvorak

flag

unclear, or rec-tool? stackoverflow.com/questions/22294570/…

RUJordan

Thanks @JanDvorak

Shadow Wizard

@RUJordan as @Jan said flag those comments, if the user persists beyond a reasonable limit (e.g. 20 comments) flag as "other" and mention this, the user should get suspended to stop him.

Jan Dvorak

"20 comments"? I'd flag as "not constructive" a bit sooner than that

even three comments are annoying already

but yeah, 20 comments should lead to suspension

Shadow Wizard

@Jan of course, but moderators won't always see it's all from same user so we need to nudge them in the right direction.

As for the question you linked to it says "is there is any tool or site" so yeah, totally rec-tool

SPArchaeologist

07:51

Morning

Shadow Wizard

Morning

michaelb958

Evening.

TROLOLOLOL

SPArchaeologist

08:08

2

RUJordan

@JanDvorak check the JS chat.. the guy found me...

lol

Bart

@ShadowWizard It kinda is. Or at the very least it's not an uncommon name.

Shadow Wizard

So you say Bart is a generic, modular, name, @Bart?

@RUJordan if he's offensive in there it can be easily handled by a mod

Bart

Yep @ShadowWizard. I do get the whole "so your are really Bartholomew, right?" deal quite often. But I'm just Bart. No other names either.

Shadow Wizard

08:24

@Bart Very short and simple, you should be proud of your parents! ;)

Bart

Hey, getting people to hear and spell Kevelham right is difficult enough. Let's keep the first name simple. ;)

Shadow Wizard

But Kevelham sounds so tasty, like exquisite ham! :D

Bart

I wish I could say you were original. ;)

SPArchaeologist

08:43

Maybe Arqade would be a more appropriate place, but just for notice...

seems there is a survey going for KH3.

if anyone wants to give it a look...

surveymonkey.com/s/GP7XTLF

(info taken from ign)

rene

Hmm I missed the morning train by almost an hour...

Shadow Wizard

Yeah, @michaelb958 trolled it away :(

rene

We will troll back...someday...

Shadow Wizard

Revenge is best served cold, @rene? ;-)

rene

08:59

cooked to order

Shadow Wizard

That's a fine meaning for CTO

rene

poor Neil Lunn

Shadow Wizard

Not so poor, just learning the hard way

devnull

Shadow Wizard

09:29

one more CV needed

rene

I can only flag (which I did)

Shadow Wizard

@rene oh, you should really be more active on Meta to get The Power :D

rene

I'm trying! I even went for a bounty but Rachel didn't like my answer enough to grant it... :(

Jan Dvorak

flagged

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak you flagged @rene's answer?? ;)

Jan Dvorak

09:38

nope

the question you linked

Shadow Wizard

lol

@rene you know, that answer is good. Think I'll start a new bounty there!

rene

I rather see it implemented so I can imagine that Rachel didn't want it to be bountied.

Which I anticipated when I wrote that answer BTW

Shadow Wizard

Well, no harm in another bounty then. :)

devnull

10:06

1

Q: How to determine if user is moderator or not?

I am just wondering that How do I know if a user moderator or not? Is there any flag or mark so, I can determine that is user moderator?

Chances are that there will be a feature request to provide an API: boolean isModerator(uid)

rene

10:16

Why do I check the accounts of users who ask these questions?

Bart

Because you're getting as suspicious as I am @rene?

rene

It must be your (bad?) influence...

Shadow Wizard

> This account is temporarily suspended for voting irregularities. The suspension period ends in 3 days

Because of this, @rene?

rene

Didn't want to call it out...

Shadow Wizard

It's public anyway

At least it's not like that case of user asking something like "How was the DDoS attack handled" then turned out to be the one behind it ;)

rene

10:24

Social engineering is one of the best hack methods

Shadow Wizard

I think Phishing has a better success rate

rene

Yeah, for the masses. In a corperate setting I prefer social engineering...

user202362

Moderators have red diamonds next to their names, I could not but thinking to myself ... are they blood diamonds?

Bart

Only those obtained in the war zone that is MSO

michaelb958

10:57

Programming questions happen in the weirdest places...

Welcome to Stack Apps. This question is not on-topic here; this site is about the Stack Exchange API, and apps built on it. This question also needs major improvement before you post it on, for example, Stack Overflow; we expect minimal, complete, testable, readable examples, not massive code dumps with little to no explanation. If you can identify a specific problem, provide as little code as possible to demonstrate it, and explain what exactly's wrong, this might be okay at Stack Overflow. Until then, it's not suitable anywhere on Stack Exchange. — michaelb958 34 secs ago

devnull

@rene Yes, in a corporate environment they make use of legacy (rotten) tools which makes the job much easier.

michaelb958

Also, you know what needs to burn? stackoverflow.com does.

rene

Didn't we have a metapost on that?

I think I already did some retagging on that...

Bart

11:13

Yeah, we had a go already.

devnull

How do you mark a lazy question as a duplicate of the other if the other doesn't have an answer? :)

Bart

You answer the other one.

devnull

Referring to stackoverflow.com/questions/22298335/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/22253496/…

@Bart Are you sure that those should be answered?

Bart

if they shouldn't, then don't go the duplicate route

Gah, why on earth go for a custom close reason there? So useless

Thanks @devnull. That was the proper reason.

rene

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/5065949/…

Bart

11:26

cv?

It's already closed

rene

huh?

duh... delete vote..plz

Bart

:D

Give me enough rep and I'll join in. ;)

devnull

@rene wasted a vote (to delete)

rene

tnx

Williams

11:43

Hi

How many days moderator takes to see the flagged question

rene

As much days as they need?

Williams

really?

rene

They try to handle them as quickly as possible but sometimes it takes a while

Williams

I have been waiting since Mar 4

rene

Is there a particular flag that is not handled yet for you?

I've seen reports here of people waiting 4 months...

Williams

11:48

This one

0

Q: ERROR unknown type 0x0 (glSizeof,73)

I don't know what type of error is this. It is continuously displaying in logcat. Question What type of error is this? Why it occurs? How to solve this error

android

rene

What kind of flag did you use?

Williams

off-topic

someone done

thanks

rene

I just voted to close

Is there a meta post on how the actual close reason is selected when a question gets closed?

3ventic

Majority wins, no?

rene

I'm not sure...

3ventic

11:58

if majority selects off-topic then some of the selected off-topic reasons are specified separately

There is a meta about it I'm sure

I'll see if I can find it

rene

I recall that someone mentioned that the last vote was the reason selected.

3ventic

3

Q: Close Vote Reason Logic When There Isn't a Majority

I voted to close this question. It has actually been closed with this reason: "Questions must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved. Tell us what you've tried to do, why it didn't work, and how it should work. See also: Stack Overflow question checklist" – Blorgbeard...

support vote-to-close

SPArchaeologist

@SuhosinPony Since I started working on this SharePoint server I have got this strange drawing on my arm. It shows the sharepoint logo with a steam engine and some coal..... should I worry?

3ventic

It's duped but the answer isn't mentioned in the FAQ it's duped to. Annoying.

rene

If it is a tie the last vote is the decider

@3ventic tnx

@3ventic Maybe edit that in?

SPArchaeologist

12:09

site sidebar just proposed me this question

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Q: How to stop feeling guilty about the unfinished work?

My biggest challenge as a PhD student is best summarized by the following from PHD Comics: "Piled Higher and Deeper" by Jorge Cham www.phdcomics.com A consequence of working in research is that the end is never in sight - unlike other jobs, there is always more work for you to do. I am prett...

phd research graduate-school academic-life

The weird thing is that I get this same feeling everytime

"there is always more work for you to do"

Suhosin Pony

@SPArchaeologist Sharepoint is scary

Bart

Doing a PhD @SPArchaeologist?

SPArchaeologist

@Bart. Nope, just clients that asks for an airplane and then try to turn it to a submarine halfway trough.

Bart

Hahaha, that surely sounds familiar

SPArchaeologist

@SuhosinPony SharePoint : human = this farm : Cthul

Suhosin Pony

12:14

@SPArchaeologist My client asked for an airplane and turned it into a space station :(

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist well, you must admit they are smart. They need a submarine to find the airplane after it crash.

Suhosin Pony

But since hes paying by the hour, I dont care :P

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard why do you assume it will crash while flying over water? Let it fall on a mountain - I have provided some inflatable rubber boats just for that.

Stijn

If a question is on hold for being too broad, and it is then edited to ask a completely different question, should I vote to reopen?

(it turned up in the reopen review queue)

SPArchaeologist

@SuhosinPony I was thinking the same long time ago. Then, after some Zalgoed projects, I changed my view.

Shadow Wizard

12:19

@Stijn if there are no answers then yes, that would be fine

Stijn

@ShadowWizard OK, thanks.

rene

@michaelb958 I dropped it below 100... wasted my 7 delete votes on it and some CV, the rest is yours

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening

Suhosin Pony

12:38

I could broadcast today's listening from Grooveshark :P

SPArchaeologist

@SuhosinPony Wait wait wait... do you mean it is not this?

Suhosin Pony

@SPArchaeologist I like Mandopony

GnomeSlice

I say that's today's listening, but I'll probably just be listening to this again. I'm addicted.

Suhosin Pony

@SPArchaeologist grooveshark.com/#!/playlist/Hooves+Up+High/95259822

GnomeSlice

@SuhosinPony soundcloud.com/labrat/ca-h-out-cashin-out-jamburglar

rene

12:57

Is this spam in disguise?

Bart

I'd say it's an honest attempt at demonstration @rene.

3ventic

I don't see how it addresses the question

rene

Hmm, I'm getting oversensitive...

Shadow Wizard

It doesn't @3ventic but it's not spam either

Just crappy answer of someone who is using Google Custom Search

(voted to delete)

GnomeSlice

@SPArchaeologist thebasebitrecs.bandcamp.com/album/tbbr002-refresh

SPArchaeologist

13:02

@GnomeSlice "Each track created using two original Nintendo Gameboys running Little Sound DJ " nice

GnomeSlice

@SPArchaeologist Yeah man

SPArchaeologist

I wonder if....

YEP. Seems someone had the courage to do that.

@GnomeSlice loveyoubeckythatcher.bandcamp.com/album/…

GnomeSlice

Never played Electroplankton, but I always wanted to

SPArchaeologist

@GnomeSlice Played as in "I play the guitar" right? that game is not a game...

GnomeSlice

Yeah, but you still play with it

jadarnel27

13:08

@Bart I've never heard of DuoLingo, but I may check it out if Rosetta Stone doesn't work out.

GnomeSlice

Like Proteus

Jan Dvorak

(SPAM) drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/106149/…

rene

High quality...

Bart

@jadarnel27 It's pretty cool. Somewhat styled like a game with goals and progress and such. And it's free. I feel like you do really have to keep up with it on a daily basis though.

Shadow Wizard

Weird display name:

a25bedc5-3d09-41b8-82fb-ea6c353d75ae

1

spammer?

rene

13:16

You only know for sure once they become active...

Suhosin Pony

grooveshark.com/#!/sweetiebelle/broadcast Got a broadcast now

jadarnel27

@Bart Ah, that sounds cool. Rosetta Stone is notably not free. But it does have some cool little games. I also like the "immersive" approach - English is never spoken in any of the lessons, every new thing is learned through pictures, audio, and context.

So you never get "Hello = Hola." Instead, you get, say, a picture of two people shaking hands, and a sound clip of someone saying "hola."

Bart

Okay, that's pretty cool indeed.

jadarnel27

Indeed! We shall see if it was $250 worth of cool.

I agree, though, that it's super helpful to keep up with doing a little bit of something with the new language everyday.

devnull

@ShadowWizard Seems to be fond of GUIDs.

GnomeSlice

13:32

@jadarnel27 babadum.com

CC @Bart

3ventic

The kind of gold that sometimes appears on the hot network questions list...

Shadow Wizard

Sorry @3ventic but nothing beat this

10

Q: How do I use a shit nugget?

When you go to the toilet, there is a mini game where you can press out a shit nugget and use it to attack your enemies. In one of the first fights, I was unable to use it though. So how exactly do you use the turd nugget during a fight?

the-stick-of-truth

3ventic

13:47

Question about Dire AIDS incoming..

Bart

Ooh, I love that band

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard nethack had this one.

256

Q: How can I tell if a corpse is safe to eat?

I am playing a human wizard, and I just killed a monster, leaving a corpse on the ground. How do I tell whether it is safe to eat this corpse? I leave the monster unspecified because I am interested in "how can I figure out whether this is edible," rather than whether any particular monster is e...

nethack

3ventic

crusader-kings-2 has a lot of inappropriate-when-taken-out-of-context questions about wives..

SPArchaeologist

@3ventic @ShadowWizard and we are still in time to create a question revolving around Curly underwear from Cave Story. Not that I really feel the need to.

Amal Murali

Heyo!

jadarnel27

14:07

@GnomeSlice Whatever that website is, it's blocked by my corporate firewall thingamajig.

Amal Murali

Please have a look at my SO profile -- I think I'm being "tactically" downvoted. What do you guys think?

Bart

Not much evidence I'd say. What makes you think so?

Or how do you define "tactical"?

TGMCians

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/8324863/…

jadarnel27

@AmalM I feel like a rememeber you bringing this up before. Have you reached out to the SE team (via the "contact us" form)?

If it's something that concerns you, and has been going on for a while, there is no harm in bringing it to them.

Amal Murali

@jadarnel27: Yeah. I was wondering if I should.

jadarnel27

14:15

When did the downvotes start? What date?

Amal Murali

Okay, I'll e-mail them. That has the same effect as "Contact us" form, right?

Bart

Yeah, just use the form.

jadarnel27

The suspicious one, that you're concerned about.

Amal Murali

@jadarnel27: A few weeks ago. They're all on questions.

Bart

Myeah, free downvotes

Amal Murali

14:16

I think some people use questions for "revenge-downvotes" as they won't lose any reputation for that.

rene

On your SO account?

Bart

Just contact the team @AmalMurali. Clearly explain what you're seeing and what you think might be happening. They will be able to check and see if anything is going on. Not even mods can do that for you.

TGMCians

rene, please cv if you can on the question which I post above

rene

already did...

TGMCians

thnx

I want to close it for now

otherwise that guy will see and can write this.

> There is no api to do so in android, I had Similar Query
Still did not get any satisfied answer
If you get any clue/suggestions than let me know

like this

0

A: Android Conference and Hold Call Programmatically

There is no api to do so in android, I had Similar Query Still did not get any satisfied answer If you get any clue/suggestions than let me know

Amal Murali

14:23

@rene: Yes.

@Bart: Will do that! :)

rene

@AmalMurali keep in mind that you are able to gain more rep in an hour then the trolls can downvote you in a day... don't let it bother you too much...

The Guy with The Hat

14:46

I just wrote an answer that referenced the java language specs about what the < operator does.

As if it wasn't an almost universally recognized symbol that is the same in any language.

NewWorld

Hello, I can't find a better place to ask this: why don't Careers 2.0 listings show a salary?

The Guy with The Hat

@NewWorld That seems like a good question for meta.careers.stackoverflow.com

Andy

@New

Shadow Wizard

@TheGuywithTheHat no such site

The Guy with The Hat

@ShadowWizard shhhhh

Shadow Wizard

14:48

Careers support goes on meta stack overflow

Andy

whoops, I find it rare that salary is posted on any job posting

NewWorld

@Andy: That URL doesn't exist

Shadow Wizard

@NewWorld because many times salary is customized per the employee

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/careers

NewWorld

@ShadowWizard Don't you get paid by the role you fill, i.e. what is in the job description?

Shadow Wizard

You can write new question on Meta tagged careers and ask this to get more official answer if you want.

NewWorld

14:50

Good idea, thank you all

Shadow Wizard

@NewWorld before you post, see this, it might give you the answer you want

7

Q: There should be more advanced search engine on Careers including "display with salary only" option

I feel that it is dismissive when companies do not post offered salary for the job, especially when they offer relocation. It is very annoying when they have very specified requirements from the applicant and when it comes to the paragraph where they should say what they offer it starts to get v...

feature-request status-deferred careers search

Users flagging sandbox answers as NAA... sigh.

3ventic

I'm starting to want 10k on mso..

rene

@ShadowWizard That is where the sandbox is for, isn't it?

Shadow Wizard

@rene very true.

And now the blue square with 1 inside it is going to sit there for hours, staring at me.

Be my guest, but it won't affect me, @rene ;)

10k tools show only post flags

@3ventic only 6606 more to go!

NewWorld

15:18

@ShadowWizard Thanks for the link

Shadow Wizard

15:32

> Your Amazon.co.uk order of "Tales of Symphonia..." has been dispatched

:-)

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard Already there.

@ShadowWizard Colette nendoroid says hello.

Shadow Wizard

Yeah, I know I'm slow on games. Cheers!

Bart

Ehm, what's up with George's recent massive answers deletions on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/10857 ?

Some of them are not great, but what's the point there?

Shadow Wizard

It's a faq, @Bart so it should, ideally, have one canonical answer

Bart

Ah, glanced over that.

Shadow Wizard

15:40

I noticed this before the deletion and thought to flag but didn't, maybe he read my mind. ;)

Bart

At least it's down to 12 canonical answers now ... ;)

Shadow Wizard

It still needs lots of work to write a true canonical answer, think 500 rep bounty will do the work?

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard yep, it was just a way to imply that I had gone for the collector edition :P

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist to be honest I don't remember the original game, played it years ago

Using emulator, lol

GnomeSlice

16:16

@jadarnel27 It's a neat little game designed to help you learn languages.

Jeroen Vannevel

16:37

-1

A: Interview question: f(f(n)) == -n

int f(int x){ if (x < 0) return x; return ~x+1; //two's complement }

geez

154 answers

Suhosin Pony

@SPArchaeologist Do you like my cutie mark crusader?

Bart

Argh, you grrr ... freaking users deleting their questions while I'm answering them.

Ah well, I guess my initial comment was clear enough.

The Guy with The Hat

17:05

Could someone ping me in a moment, once I leave the room?

I need a notification so I can test something.

Jeroen Vannevel

@TheGuywithTheHat Have you checked your name?

Doesn't seem to work

The Guy with The Hat

XD Thanks.

3ventic

17:27

0

Q: Why does chat profile reputation seem inconsistent?

The reputation on chat.SE is supposed to be all your 200+ rep accounts' reputation combined. Now why is it that Jon Skeet's chat profile does not include his MSO reputation, but otherwise includes all 200+ rep accounts' reputation (including SO, of course)? My chat profile does include all my 20...

support reputation chat

LowerClassOverflowian

18:13

Happy Monday everbody!

Bart

3

LowerClassOverflowian

To any mod - I recently deleted a few accounts on the SE network that I didn't want anymore. But for some reason, my User Experience account is still active. Is there a reason that account won't go away?

3ventic

I don't think you can delete accounts that have..

Bart

...

3ventic

140

Q: How can I delete my account?

How can I delete my Stack Exchange account(s) and what happens to content I've posted when my account gets deleted? For more information, see "How do I delete my account?" in the Help Center. Return to FAQ index

support faq delete user-accounts

LowerClassOverflowian

18:16

I requested to delete like 4 or 5 accounts, and all of them have been deleted except the User Experience. Did I make a mistake by sending an email for each one? Like I went to the help section part of each website and sent an email there. Or should I have just sent 1 email? Maybe my email got listed as spam or something for it being sent practically the same thing 4-5 times?

3ventic

How long ago did you do it?

LowerClassOverflowian

@3ventic I don't know, what is time really? Does it even exist?

At least like 4-5 days ago..

All the other ones were taken care of , but this one just won't go away

3ventic

I'd ping a CM or something

Bart

@Shog9 and idea about this: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/1886111#1886111 ?

There @LowerClassOverflowian, pinged.

LowerClassOverflowian

@Bart Oh no! Anyone but Shog9!

Bart

18:21

Oh yes, absolutely @LowerClassOverflowian. You shall feel the wrath of Shoggy Shog McShoggington the 9th. I fear you might not have an account left after this.

2

Anna Lear

@LowerClassOverflowian I marked your UX account for deletion. It will be removed in 24 hours.

LowerClassOverflowian

@AnnaLear Alright, thank you very much!

devnull

1

Q: Why does chat profile reputation seem inconsistent?

The reputation on chat.SE is supposed to be all your 200+ rep accounts' reputation combined. Now why is it that Jon Skeet's chat profile does not include his MSO reputation, but otherwise includes all 200+ rep accounts' reputation (including SO, of course)? My chat profile does include all my 20...

support reputation chat

Caching -- Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

3ventic

Cached for 944 days?

Bart

Can't quit CM cold-turkey @AnnaLear? ;)

devnull

18:28

@AnnaLear Sorry to bother to you again. (Just to remind you that you promised to provide a clue regarding this question.)

Anna Lear

@Bart Once a CM, forever ruined. ;)

@devnull Oh yeah. Thanks for the reminder.

Bart

Ha

devnull

@Bart Is that you? (referring to i.imgur.com/6enQwWj.gif)

Bart

No, it isn't

I deny everything

devnull

@Bart ok, if you insist.

Bart

18:30

While I do on occasion turn into a small obese black man (which my doctors have not yet figured out) I am generally a quite sizeable white male @devnull.

If you must know @devnull, this is me chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/1557249#1557249

Shog9

@devnull ah, I got this. @Anna has bugs to fix... ;-)

Anna Lear

@Shog9 sweet =)

LowerClassOverflowian

I thought @Bart was the invisible man, glasses just don't float like that, they have to rest on something

devnull

@Shog9 thanks!

@LowerClassOverflowian Only if you notice, you'd realize that @Shog9 is invisible too.

I've been trying to get hold of him for one question for over a week now.

@Bart Ah this one is certainly better than the other avatar

Bart

What can I say @devnull. It's my face. I generally try to stay in the dark, but people keep insisting I come out in broad daylight.

devnull

19:16

It seems as if folks _refuse_ to vote-to-close questions as duplicate. These two are _FAQs_ for the C tag: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22307741/how-are-arguments-passed-in-small-brackets-processed-in-c and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22307577/c-program-different-output-on-different-compilers

No wonder the CV queue hits 100k+

jadarnel27

19:36

Just because you're a skinny giant doesn't mean Tracy Morgan is obese, @Bart =)

Bart

I rest my case

jadarnel27

Hmmm, when I think obese, I think larger than that. I don't know what the medical thresholds for obese vs. overweight are, though.

And that is a pretty convincing photo, regardless haha.

LowerClassOverflowian

hmm.. did someone already flag that picture or should i?

Bart

Gah ... should I rant, or shouldn't I rant? ....

rene

Yes please

Bart

19:45

Nah, Servy phrased it better than the path I was taking

LowerClassOverflowian

? servy where?

Bart

Here meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/224890/…

rene

@Bart You need more practice

I only explain my downvote

Bart

Nah, I need more people to not think that the internet will solve their problems. Self-reliance people.

LowerClassOverflowian

@Bart If we ran out of gas, so the trucks couldn't turn their wheels. Like 90% of people would have no food to eat within 5 days or something.

Bart

19:50

A week or two ago I saw a tweet come buy of a guy saying "Banned on SO. If I'm not allowed to ask questions, how am I ever going to learn how to program?" .... sure, programming only exists since 2008. People had no clue what they were doing before that.

rene

@LowerClassOverflowian Is that bad?

LowerClassOverflowian

@rene It'd be really bad for dogs and cats.

rene

@Bart it seems the level for people leaving school is dropping over the years, at least over here. If it doesn't come easy people quit

Bart

That's the same here as well @rene. We're giving some classes at universities and highschools ... I have yet to find any student we would actually hire.

rene

I wonder how many bug reports/complaints Google get when the first link in the search result didn't match the students expected result.

hichris123

20:00

lol

LowerClassOverflowian

@rene probaby not that many, since the younger generations don't seem to use customer service as much as the older gens

they just move on to something else or give up

rene

I am the only one still using customer service? And expect them to help me?

LowerClassOverflowian

if you ever worked customer service in the last 10 years, you'd probably see that the older people will more often than not think they own you, since they are the customer and you are the employee

hichris123

@LowerClassOverflowian It's turned into email/feeback button/whatever looks like a help button. :P

LowerClassOverflowian

they don't understand that you, as an employee, aren't the owner, that you are working for a corporate beaucracy that gives you very little power to do anything, and most corporations actually force their employees to follow scripts

point being, that the younger folks can generally take a hint that they should bug off, whereas the older folks will rant about customer service, blah blah blah. . So you have to repeat the same thing to them , that you can't do what they want.

Obvoiusly not saying this is the majority of older folks, but when you get bad customers, they tend to be older, and they don't understand that the world is a differnet place now

rene

20:16

I'm not sure if I completely agree with all of that...I simply tell the truth when I handle first-line calls. And if that is a customer lost for my company, so be it.

LowerClassOverflowian

@rene Yea, sorry for the rant. It's a topic that involves the workplace, human rights, politics, and more...so not a good fit for this chat :) Your comment just gave me a flashback of my horror days in customer service.

Bart

21:57

@Undo one for you? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/224904/…

hichris123

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Q: Is it alright to ask for programming tools?

I am asking if it will be alright on this site to ask questions, such as "what is the best library for image rendering in C#?", or similar questions. I understand that this website is for software that is "completed" and serves a purpose for an end-user, so those questions should be moved to st...

discussion scope

^ Basically, if well scoped and not crap, yes.

Bart

@hichris123 Feel free to comment that

You will know better than I do

hichris123

I haven't even been participating that much... so... yeah. :P

Let the mod do the work.

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