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11:00 PM
@JasonC I'll write a post when I come back home. I gotta head to school now. Laters!
 
Peace!
 
Cya
 
If I want to create a user-script that has configurable options (that is, configurable without editing the source), is there even an approach to that, or would that be grounds for making a proper extension?
 
@JasonC sure, store settings in cookies or localstorage
 
If it makes you feel any better @hichris, I frequently use the full site version on my little phone. Fortunately, the system usually prompts me before my binding flags take effect. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
@Shog9 How close have you been to... say nuking the whole site from your phone? ;)
 
11:07 PM
They don't give me access to the "nuke site" button. For some reason.
 
Ouch. That's cold.
 
Meh, our "malicious intent" guy seems set on a perfect black/white view on the issue. I'll leave it and get some sleep instead of replying. Have fun all. Cya
 
@Shog9 Hm; from what I'm reading, local storage is keyed on the current domain, so I couldn't really write a separate little local settings gui page. Is creating a gui in the current page a reasonable approach (e.g. adding a little button in the corner of the page or something)?
 
Meh.
 
@hichris123 I'll ask our designer to keep the full-site-from-mobile use case in mind, but no promises that it'll be great...it's tangential to the meta thread, but I'm curious why you use the full site from a tablet rather than the mobile web version?
 
11:15 PM
Y U NO RESPONSIVE?!
 
@JasonC sure, why not
 
@bjb568 because we didn't do it early enough and now it's a nightmare of a project. we're inching towards it...jin spent weeks refactoring all of the shared CSS to get rid of like 4k lines of cruft. we have to take baby steps. trust me, i will be overjoyed when we can have a fully responsive site.
 
Thanks. No reason; I guess I was kinda hoping that there was some magical settings management thing that already existed in the browser, or in tampermonkey.
 
@Laura On a 7 inch tablet, a design in mind for 4-5 inch phones doesn't use space the best. And I use mobile chat... and because SO gives me the full version automatically (maybe it detects screen size? however it does this, I like it).
 
huh. i wonder what our logic actually is to determine which version to show you....
but that makes sense
 
11:20 PM
btw @Shog9 is there anything that can be done about the repeated spammy edits on this post? most recent one
 
we're working on tablet apps - ipad just came out
 
@Laura Yeah, I'm on Android, sooo... ;)
 
> If you’re an Android tablet user, don’t worry, we’re working on things to make you happy too.
:)
 
People use android?
 
11:22 PM
@Laura I find it funny because doesn't Kasra work on the Android team? And he announces the iPad app first.
@bjb568 Yup, like 50% of the world.
Well, whoever nuked the Avast post... that works too. :)
 
He's an Android dev, but he leads the whole mobile team, so he gets to make announcements :)
 
@bjb568 Gonna be one less person as soon as my contract is up.
 
@hichris123 "nuke" is your clue that it was Shog
 
@hichris123 sure
 
@Laura ah, that makes sense.
 
11:24 PM
Android's motto should be "Wait / Close / Report"
 
@JasonC Try Lollipop. Trust me. It's a ton better than even ICS or 4.1.
 
@hichris123 I mean actual devices, not counting anything with > 1y old software as marketshare.
 
@hichris123 Nope. Heard that before. I gave it 4 years. Trial run over.
 
@Laura What, you're not that brutal to posts? ;)
@bjb568 I'm using Windows 7. That means I don't count?
 
only on Tuesdays
 
11:26 PM
@bjb568 Also, 30% of Android devices run the latest version. developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
@JasonC What device were/are you using?
 
@JasonC the original Greasemonkey had the concept of script settings for this, but that isn't universal
 
@hichris123 That's not even mobile…
 
@hichris123 All Motorola (could also be the issue). Two Droids, a Droid 2 Global, and a two Droid Razr Maxx HD Globals.
 
and realistically, it ain't hard to throw together a form with some fields on it for setting your script's prefs
 
@JasonC Okay, well... uh... someone in my family is still using a Droid 2 Global. :P Moto X is a ton better. Is Razr Maxx HD before Google's takeover? That's probably why. Moto was bloated before that... and now they're a lot better.
 
11:28 PM
In any case I'm over it. One more "Google maps has stopped responding" in the middle of nowhere, or > 5 minutes to become usable after coming out of airplane mode, or grinding to a halt every time there's a weak signal, and I'm going to start murdering people.
 
@bjb568 And? You're saying 1 year old software (you meant OS) doesn't count.
 
@hichris123 That's including old V4 as "current". It's not really…
 
@JasonC yeah, that'd do it. Supposedly the latest Motorolas are reasonable, but every one I had to work with prior to Google buying them was awful.
 
@hichris123 Google didn't do anything to the devices. They bought Motorola for the patents, then promptly sold the manufacturing to Lenovo.
 
@hichris123 Yeah. 1 year, rounding diagonally to 3/2 of a year.
 
11:29 PM
@JasonC ... well, Moto sucks less now. So hey, something must have happened.
 
So most of iOS and OS X counts…
 
@hichris123 oh, and since you're referring to the Droid models, you were on Verizon. That can't have helped.
 
Yeah the Razr is before their takeover.
 
@bjb568 huh wha? 30% is running 4.4 KitKat, which came out 1 year ago.
 
@hichris123 Compare to iOS…
 
11:30 PM
The only thing tempting me to stay with Android is the Kyocera Brigadier, which I really like. It's either going to be that or a Lumia with Windows.
 
@Shog9 Yep. Though I do love Verizon for their cell service. No dropped calls, amazing service in my house & even in school. :P Their prices though... are a different story.
 
@hichris123 Network: good. Prices: bad. Hardware: bad. Customer Service: bad. Ability to use the network without using their hardware or dealing with their customer service: bad.
 
Yeah, Verizon's been good to me everywhere. T-Mobile I hear is good outside the US and has good international plans.
 
@bjb568 That's different. Android has most of the core apps unbundled, meaning whenever there's an update to those apps, everyone can download it. No OS update needed. Also, Google Play Services rolls out every 6 weeks.
 
@hichris123 Fine, still no excuse for not using a modern OS.
 
11:32 PM
I still remember walking into a Verizon shop years ago after being really happy with the service on my work phone... Waiting in line for 10 minutes before finally a customer service rep walks up to me and... Asks me for my name, so they can put me in a queue.
 
Verizon prices aren't so bad for me, I go in on the family plan with my immediate family, it's cheaper than going alone.
 
@Shog9 "Hardware: bad" eh. It has pretty much the same phones as the rest... the only exception is that they're slow for OS upgrades, but they've been getting better (IIRC the Moto X on Verizon was the first to get KitKat last year, maybe this year too).
 
Their roaming charges are out of control though.
 
I spent the next 10-15 minutes reading the literature before deciding I probably wasn't gonna get a deal and definitely wasn't getting any service, and walking out.
 
@Shog9 With Costco, you can buy phones for all providers. Lower prices & less crappy customer service.
Though Verizon reps still suck if you need to fix something.
 
11:34 PM
I just spent a few days on site at the border crossing in Tijuana, that big telecom company in Mexico likes to snipe people in the US from across the border and snag roaming fees.
 
@hichris123 "pretty much" being the key phrase there. Just like how the appliances sold at Walmart are "pretty much" the same as the ones sold everywhere else, just with a few random features omitted and of course a different model number.
 
It was kind of weird. The dude who owns that company is one of the richest guys in the world.
 
@hichris123 yeah, I'm through with buying phones through a provider. If I can't buy it and use it where I want to, then I'm just buying myself handcuffs.
 
Actually, if any of you happen to drive into the US at Tijuana, check out the light installation on the border crossing. If it looks cool think of me, if not blame the electricians.
Hey speak of the devil, 35 seconds pocket -> responsiveness, just missed another call.
Huh. I wonder what would happen if I just didn't get a smart phone.
My env3 is still in working condition.
 
@JasonC What version is it running? 4.3?
 
11:42 PM
@Shog9 All of Verizon's phones have been shipping unlocked for a while.
 
@JasonC which doesn't help if I don't want one of Verizon's phones.
Y'know what'd be great? If I could have a little flip-phone that did nothing but make phone calls and - when necessary - act as a wifi hotspot for a separate device with a nice screen that let me browse the net and run apps.
 
@Shog9 Got an example? I know they change some stuff, but I didn't realize they went that far...
 
@hichris123 No, 4.1.2. They never release updates. Dunno if that's a Motorola thing or a Verizon thing. Every phone I've owned stopped being updated within 4 months of buying it.
 
meh, Verizon was in my country for 2 years... promised lots of investments, lower prices, and upgraded services/platform...
 
11:44 PM
@JasonC Ahahah. Even the Droid 4 got 4.1.2 from... 2.3? 4.0?
 
^ Dude, don't ask me.
It's mind boggling.
 
@JasonC btw all of these phones are getting Lollipop. motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/software-upgrade-news/… I think they're a year newer than yours.
 
@JasonC for some reason I don't like phones that open on the side... I don't know, I expect them to perform at least like a laptop just to get disillusioned
 
Whatever. I'm still so over it.
I don't want to hold on for yet another 2 years just to figure out if I should blame Motorola vs. Verizon vs. Google.
 
@JasonC the issue is more simple than that: you vs them and their capital
 
11:48 PM
Sure, or I could just get, say, an iPhone, which at least somewhat manages poorly behaved apps well.
Even if the Razr and/or version 4.1.2 is "old", there wasn't an excuse when it was new for behaving like it does, and certainly no excuse after 2-4 years in the wild.
 
Did the Shog problem get resolved?
 
Plus a whole slew of things that make me unhappy with Google's UI choices on their apps; even if the hardware, OS, and service were flawless, I'd still be irritated with half of the software.
 
 
@cVplZ of course no
 
The Droid 2, I remember, I had to literally charge it on ice, because there was some firmware bug (Motorola's fault) that would burn CPU while charging, overheat the phone, and leave you with 1% battery after a full night. The workaround when that happened was to go to the battery settings page, look at it, then close it.
 
11:52 PM
the Galaxy Nexus had a fair number of issues as well, IIRC - particularly shameful since the whole selling point of Nexus phones was that they were Google-controlled.
 
That was a solid 3 years after all this stuff was around. I do not have faith in anybody involved in that.
 
Maybe SO could run a "Who wants to be Shog's intern contest"
3
 
@JasonC I had a Samsung that would do that. (Galaxy S maybe?) Very annoying.
 
Needed: Intern to explain to users why they deserved the revenge down-votes they received.
I remember, the first Droid, the original run, the slideout keyboard had individual cut keys glued on to the pcb. They all fell off. After the first few weeks of that they changed the design to use a one-piece keyboard. That was kinda funny.
It was actually a half decent phone though. It went down hill when they replaced the aluminum case with plastic.
 
I wish I could see my past flags on Amazon and what the outcome of them was. :( Amazon should just make me a product moderator. I have experience!
 
11:57 PM
Oh, it was the "Fascinate" version of the Galaxy S. The one with Bing instead of Google. Good grief, what a frustrating phone that was.
 
shudder ^
Speaking of Amazon, has any of you seen a Fire in real life?
 
The phone? No
 
They looked cool in the ads, but I keep reading mediocre reviews.
No I just mean fire, in general. The burning kind. It looks great in ads but gets a lot of poor reviews.
 

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