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Now I'm hungry. Thanks a lot, @Bart.

Bart

As if the cookies you were promised didn't achieve that

2:19 PM

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@Bart Valid point.

... hey

That doesn't sound confusing.

rhetorically speaking... yeah, no...

jadarnel27

2:32 PM

what is this i dont even

I don't think this room is the best target audience for such jokes.

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haha maybe

II have no friends :(

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jadarnel27

I strongly agree with @Stijn.

It's ok. Wait for another spam post, and leave them a comment before it gets nuked.

Listening to music is good as well. Music is always there for me when no one else is.

Ugh. Guest speaker in history class emphasized "there's no quiz". Guess what was ~~at the end of class~~ during the first 7 minutes of lunch. Yes, "write what you learned". Nothing. Wasn't paying attention. Teacher tells me the importace of writing down ideas. i not has ideaz

2:34 PM

@bjb568 "guest speakers are boring"

@bjb568 "Stuff happened before today."

@bjb568 Go get some ideaz then.

Whats more frightening is that the teacher was sitting next to me grading papers while I pretended to pay attention...

I think I did too good of a job.

Need to do better.

@bjb568 it was not a quiz basically so technically he is right

Eh, it tests your knowledge, it counts as points. It's pretty much a quiz.

2:41 PM

@RPiAwesomeness Yeah, how it's stored is the problem. For one, it's not stored as an aggregate number. SEDE is backed by a stripped down version of our production databases. So we'd need to export this count and put it ... somewhere. Not impossible, of course, but there's another complication - site db doesn't store the number of people who subscribed for email notifications via stackexchange.com

so what we get from the db is off by some from the number we show on the site

I thought quizes are usually with multiple choice questions

@AnnaLear that sounds like fun :P

Do you people realize how many things of our everyday life we use, without even thinking how they work. Is that normal, usually common people just accept it and use it.

@zigi What's wrong with taking things for granted? It's not illegal yet.

@zigi Usually.

2:46 PM

Haha true, but the question here is, is it the right thing to do, to not understand how things work at least a bit?

@Unihedron Nor is it possible to not do.

Especially if that is your profession?

@Unihedron yet...

If I'm such a god, why isn't Maru *my* cat?

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The same way you want to know how your car works so you could do basic repairs

when it breaks down down the road

2:47 PM

@zigi If you're taking it for granted, it's workings obviously aren't important.

but then you become dependent on it

That's partially why IDEs are invented. The compilation command-line arguments aren't important.

Most of us are spoiled with fancy and handy IDEs, and there's nothing wrong about it.

and if it breaks it usually does more harm rather then when you know a bit of it's workings

IDE-s are not wrong

@zigi Unless you don't feel like learning about cars.

because they automate your work, so you could be more productive

that's why we have programming languages

and not still writing 0s and 1s

2:49 PM

And aren't hunter/gatherers.

Things built on things, we need only to interact with the top layer.

yes

you don't need to grow your own food anymore to live

because it is being automated

Yep, instead you get to talk with random people you'll never actually meet in your life through the bandwidth cables which works, somehow.

@zigi Sometimes you just don't care though. Honestly, if I open the hood of my car and the engine is still there, but it doesn't start, I have no idea what's wrong.

This discussion reminds me of the ST:TNG episode where they venture upon a civilization completely dependent upon technology that they no longer have knowledge of, that is making them sterile.

Cars are not my hobby or profession.

Thus, if my car has an issue, I pay someone who does know how they work to fix it

Yet, I depend on my car to get to work

It's a matter of interests and priorities

2:54 PM

@Unihedron I understand how it works. The packet fairy comes and magically makes sure that the packets make it from one place to the other.

@Andy And then your car comes back with missing seats...

@Sam Fortunately, I make enough money to go to a reputable repair location

Yes but I strongly believe, that if you have a bit of an engineering spirit, you can learn yourself. My car broke so I had to fix many things and I learned. I have never touched a car before that, I just bought a manual

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and started asking people online

2:55 PM

And you're still alive? Wow. Good job.

yes :)

@Andy Fortunately, I don't make enough money to have a car.

And note that the car is a Peugeot 206

which is french

@Sam A valid alternative :)

which means that it is kind of really hard to repair

but I am not gonna brag anymore

I just wanted to point out that you can learn, you just need the will to do it

2:56 PM

@Sam Fortunately, I do have enough mind energy to theoretically own a car, despite not financially capable of owning one.

but instead we prefer to abuse with entertainment and 30 hours of TV watching per week

@Unihedron We're in the same ~~boat~~ car then. ;)

@Unihedron don't you have some groups where you can pay a membership and use a car from that organization by just paying some small tax and the fuel?

Theoretically. ;)

In the Netherlands it is possible

greenwheels.com/nl-en

check it out

2:58 PM

@zigi You're kidding. Here in HKSAR you'll never find anything like that. That's why we can't have nice things.

@zigi "will" is not the only thing you need though. You need "time" and resources. Your repair probably needed new parts. Those don't just show up from the car part fairy. My time is spent doing things that I want to do. The trade off is that the things I don't know how to do but still need done cost me resources.

@Undo @ProgramFOX @Whoeverelsehasaccess PR ready. (more spam)

@Andy true true

but you can use some of your spare time to do it instead of wasting it by overdoing entertainment

Ohh, lots of spam

actually the more you entertain yourself, the more spoiled you get

well that's only my opinion tho

3:00 PM

@Unihedron My spam hunt was very fruitful today :D

@zigi Who said I'm wasting it? Perhaps I enjoy spending time outside, or boating, or playing a sport, or going to the movies occasionally? Or, maybe my time is spend hauling children from event 1 to event 2 so that they can play a sport or compete in a thing.

I am not saying you are wasting it

but some leisure activities are good for you and some are not really

and you are right

why should you repair your car if you have enough resource to leave it to someone

who can spare his time to do it in return for your resources (money)

Sep 10 at 14:55, by Bart

/me grabs popcorn

@zigi Or does it for a profession.

Yep, but who is a mechanic just to be the best mechanic?

There is nothing innovative in this, it is more of a support profession.

the same way IT support is

3:04 PM

I'm failing to see your point.

I mean how can you develop yourself in such a profession, except learn all technology related to it that exists

Why does that matter? I don't take my car (or computer) to the best in the world. I take to someone that can fix my problem.

exactly

but you don't think of how this might affect you in the long run

right

That solves both of our problems though. My car is repaired and they get paid for the day.

if he doesn't fix it properly it might break in a year or so

if he is a really good mechanic he can tell you the options, fix it cheap and it will break soon, fix it with more expensive parts and it will break less

and then you can choose and he can fix it well for you

3:06 PM

I have the realistic expectation that stuff will break

yeah, true

but I can give you an example

of how you can be smart about it

takes a slice

my car has a Siemens module that controls the Input and Output of the car (central locking, lights, etc.)

some chip in that module fucked up

or burnt I don't know

and I couldn't find which one because the module was sealed with plastic and silicone in such a way that I had to buy a completely new module

which costs 300 euros

I am a student and cannot afford so much cash on something stupid controlling my left indication light

so instead of paying 400 euros to a technician to fix it

I was able to buy a second hand module like this for 50 euros from ebay

I bought a chip reader

and desoldered the chip from the first one and put it in the chip reader and copied the info to the new one

and worked like a charm

I saved 300 euros for the price of 5-6 hours of my free time

@zigi And, do you have more faith in this second hand part than a factory built part? Or will you be spending more money to fix it again.

3:10 PM

still working like a charm for 3 years already

@Andy well the truth is, it is a factory part taken from a scrapped car

and they take 300 euros because they change your board computer, your inner part and the key

which is totally moronic

because instead of doing all this labour they just throw the old one away

not to be a douche or anything, but my grandpa's Russian Lada car from 1980 is still running breaking much less than the cars build in 2010

Yet, people that don't have the time or inclination to learn how to repair it themselves will gladly pay that - or they will find a smaller repair shop that offers a lower price.

^^^^^^

@zigi It's not terribly moronic that Automobile manufacturers don't expect service techs to have expertise at the electronics levels (soldiering, chip programming, etc.)

@LynnCrumbling Agreed.

@LynnCrumbling so they are stimulating people to stay stupid?

or uneducated

You know, maybe I am just crazy, but I really hate when people talk about something and I don't understand at least the basis of how it works

3:14 PM

The problem in my case was that the manufacturer refused to sell me a replacement keyboard, only offering me a replacement service.

Maybe I have some personal complexes

I still have the old keyboard

but I feel inferior

@zigi The people that write the technical services guides are attempting to target an audience that has a LOT of mechanical know-how. They are used to working at the physical layer: nuts, bolts, screws. Think of them as networks admins. They can replace a dead switch, but you'd never expect them to open up the switch and change out a burnt cap.

New picture! github.com/ArcticEcho/Phamhilator/wiki/…

3:15 PM

@LynnCrumbling yes, that is what I was saying, that this is not a profession involved with innovation but rather support

and there is nothing exciting about support

@zigi This is not at ALL diminishing the skills you've learned -- I very much value the time I've spent learning how to take apart my wife's jeep on my own.

@LynnCrumbling yes, true

but if you do it everyday for different people

@Sam done :D

@zigi Welcome to Stack Exchange.

you would get bored at some point because there is nothing exciting about doing repetitive tasks

3:17 PM

And learned

@zigi I think someone said that before...

@zigi And it's saved me a ton. But there are those that would have paid 1200 to have a gargage replace the transfer case instead of researching what a replacement would be, going to a junkyard to get one, yanking the old one, and installing a new one.

@Undo Are you looking for spam to learn? Any particular kind?

@Andy Ideally anything we get on the SE sites.

@zigi which is exactly why I no longer answer on SO

3:18 PM

It'd be awesome to find a trove of that weight loss spam we get every once in a while

Mmm, and supplements spam

@LynnCrumbling raises hand Though, I'd try to negotiate that 1200 down. I don't like commas in my prices

@JanDvorak I almost never answer because I get bored

that's why I don't care about the internet points

not that I don't have the knowledge to do so

@JanDvorak I've seen you answer! You may not actually add an ANSWER, but you often provide a comment with an answer! :)

I am just bored to answer the same things over and over and compete with someone who's gonna have the better answer, just to boost my ego

3:19 PM

Sep 24 at 2:18, by Braiam

nah, actually I do it to challenge my wits

@zigi Bored after 11 answers on SO? Eh, ok.

@zigi hey! what's wrong with some egoboost!?

actually yes

I get really easily bored

I have to much ego already :D

I guess some people should just stay away from answering. I have 212 answers.

I find showing it to others just to boost it more to be a bit non-constructive

@Unihedron why should I invest my time to answer?

tell me one reason

3:21 PM

@Andy FWIW, the u-pull it wanted $75 for the transfer case. I bought a 3-ton heavy duty jack for $110 (that I now own). I needed some other little things that totaled around $15-$25. So.. yeah. Not 1200. And I now own a jack!

You shouldn't.

tries to figure out Jon Skeet ego size

It just costs me too much time finding something sensible to answer to

I'm not spending my time answering that!

@LynnCrumbling It's always nice to have a 3-ton heavy-duty jack sitting around

Great for stubbing toes on

3:22 PM

I find it much better asking people about something convoluted to which you can't find the answer anywhere which might create some discussion

@Andy I did eventually get them down to $250 for a part, and $500 for labor.. which was still too much for fixing a '94.

then I would give my opinion of the findings I have acquired so far

but that is a completely different task

I have no idea why people starred that :P

@Undo by "jack", do you mean the male end of a cable?

@Undo I have a little more faith in it than the 49.95 walmart special that I usually use.

3:24 PM

@LynnCrumbling Oh. Yeah. I had issues paying $900 for an '03 repairs

I have a solution for all your car problems: move to NYC and don't own a car. Of course, you'll pay through the nose in rent, but who's counting... ;)

Anyway, thank you for the attention guys :)

not Anna Lear, anyways D:

I just needed a discussion with some people, and not just plain coding on my pc

@AnnaLear coming up to the Javits center next month. Does a day-trip count?

3:25 PM

@AnnaLear where should I move if I have a crappy computer?

@AnnaLear I live in The Hague in the Netherlands so there are trams here also bike alleys everywhere so I don't use my car unless I want to go to Amsterdam

@JanDvorak The library

Cycling on the other hand is quite nice

@JanDvorak Hm. Belgium.

unfortunately I got hit by a car 3-4 weeks ago

3:26 PM

@LynnCrumbling Depends. Are you driving?

@AnnaLear Train Lancaster->NYC (Penn station)

@AnnaLear ... cause Belgians don't own a computer? :P

@Andy I opened a terminal on a library computer once and SSH'd into my server, I think the security guard just about tackled me :P

I miss cycling. Been trying to find a way to fit a bike into my apartment... and that's just not gonna happen.

@LynnCrumbling In that case, yes. :)

@Stijn Nah, because Belgium sounds nice so if you don't own a computer, you can at least go outside... and enjoy. Or something.

Also, beer.

cc @Sam @Pham @Gham @lostsock

3:28 PM

@Undo It looked like an 31337 h4x0r terminal, eh?

I guess :P

@Undo meh.

@Undo Yeah. I've been to libraries where they watch you like a hawk and others where the librarians know about technology and are cool to talk to

The sambots are now in the wrong order. It should be red-green-blue

@JanDvorak Look at it upside down. Problem solved! :D

3:29 PM

@Unihedron still in the wrong order

:(

Your screenshot is outdated

cv-pls dupe stackoverflow.com/q/26282324/189134

status-closed

Question: there's a user who complains X happened in our software. I have no logs to prove or disprove this, but X isn't supposed to happen, the available data suggests X didn't happen and a quick inspection of the code suggests X can't happen. Now, I'll probably have to verify a whole bunch of code related to X to be bugfree, but once I've done that, what do I tell the user? "No, you're lying, X did not happen"?

3:33 PM

@Stijn I usually just tell them I can't reproduce it and more info is needed.

@Stijn no-repro. Please provide a Z log at when X happens or better yet steps to reproduce

@Unihedron well, the concrete case: a user placed an order and received a confirmation by the system that the order was successfully received. Later that day, the order was somehow "unconfirmed" and the user had to place it again.

assume they're right and you're wrong, you lose nothing and they feel better

^

OK thanks for the suggestions all :)

lostsock

3:39 PM

@Undo You have an Uncle Jack too?

@lostsock A 3-ton union jack would be interesting, too

@Stijn Is it reproducible at the customer, or a one-time event? Is it an option to add additional logging to prove that it isn't happening (when they come back to you in a month and say "it happened again")?

@LynnCrumbling 3 customers say it has happened to them, but it's the first time it's been reported out of ~9500 successful orders. I can add additional logging and will probably do that. I might have found a way though, hoping to find information in the DB transaction logs.

Challenge issued:

If you manage to do this without shenanigans, I will shave my head and paint it blue. — Tim Post ♦ 13 mins ago

3:58 PM

Is this flag-worthy? stackoverflow.com/a/18465264/3622940

@Unihedron yep; naa.

@Unihedron gone.

\o/

/o\

@Unihedron :D

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/26282304/…

4:10 PM

@lostsock I fee like the /\o/\ and the o< were missing from that exchange

@lostsock that thing has a link-only answer now, too.

4:40 PM

Night!

Night!

Night!

stackoverflow.com/posts/23846353/revisions

I approved this edit of my answer

but it's saying that edit approved 13 secs ago Community♦

@AnnaLear Why ?

status-closed

@TGMCians it's an anonymous suggested edit. gotta attribute it to someone.

it's not the approval attribution. it's edit attribution.

4:55 PM

ah ok gotcha thanks

np

5:06 PM

naa stackoverflow.com/questions/20902428/…

@Andy flagged

!!/alive?

@TGMCians kinda sorta

5:21 PM

Why is lim (x -> 0) x^(cx) where c is a constant 1?

I figured it out playing with my calculator.

5:37 PM

lim (x -> 0) x^(xc) = lim (x -> 0) (x^x)^c = (0 ^ 0) ^ c = 1 ^ c = 1

5:48 PM

@bjb568 You can switch the exponent order, and it still works: lim (x -> 0) x^(xc) = lim (x -> 0) (x^c)^x = (0 ^ c) ^ 0 = x ^ 0 = 1

^ implicit "let x = 0^c" in that

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 22 secs ago, by Pham

Offensive A (95.5%): Shut up, this stuff sucks. you just asked so..., by Annyka, on webapps.stackexchange.com.

^ flag plz

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 33 secs ago, by Pham

Low Quality A (100%): BUMP - I ran into the same issue!, by Tony Jiang, on stackoverflow.com.

^ sneaky way to bump a Q...

6:12 PM

deleted by owner...

^^

@Jan no spam today ?

plenty of, IIRC

ok

dope

6:33 PM

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 2 mins ago, by Pham

Low Quality A (100%): this lame ................................, by Luis Rivera, on chemistry.stackexchange.com.

^ naa plz

---test---

@balpha ^^

not working

hmm

intentional ?

nope, looking

ok thanks

6:39 PM

will be a side-effect of meta.stackexchange.com/posts/240354/revisions

fix incoming, ETA 5 minutes

Is this person asking about the difference between two different COMODO products?

ot? : stackoverflow.com/q/26285739/656243

@LynnCrumbling Ah. That makes sense.

cv-pls ot-nano-migrate-su stackoverflow.com/q/26285791/656243

hmm

ok thanks

~~test~~

@TGMCians Fixed ^^^. Thanks for the heads-up.

6:48 PM

@balpha many thanks :)

@zigi Please find a different place to tell such jokes, not the Stack Exchange network. Even better yet, stop telling them at all.

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ooooOOooOOooo Strikethrough? ~~Boo!~~

~~wait.. that didn't work.~~ yay!!!

@balpha one more issue. let me take screenshot

@LynnCrumbling triple-dash: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

@balpha I guess you understand now why he wasn't welcome in the javascript room?

6:55 PM

@balpha Operating with only one out of my two contact lenses in at the moment.. had to do a o_O there.

:)

@JanDvorak oh, I never said I didn't

@balpha your photo is not visible clearly

How long have you had this browser tab open?

i think 2-3 hours

6:57 PM

@balpha It just lit back up for me.

it's is fine for me also

weird

oh wait I have an idea

Hang on everyone...he's going to try SCIENCE!

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polka starts playing in the background

hmm no that wasn't it

ah it was after all

will fix tomorrow, that's not quite as critical as missing ~~strike~~ ;)

7:03 PM

:)

user259867

@LynnCrumbling Your first explanation was closer to truth, although even then, saying "limit is 0^0, which is 1" is not satisfactory. The second is wider off the mark, with implicit return of x after limit was taken.

user259867

The proof for x^x->1 , as seen here can be adapted to x^(cx) without major problems. cc: @bjb568

@CareBear That makes more sense.

3ventic

7:25 PM

Error: no error is the best fatal error.

It is so INCREDIBLY frustrating to watch a new user post a question that asks HOW to work around a very specific portion of a problem with regard to schoolwork, then have another user come along and give an entire program as an answer without so much as inline comments explaining what the code does.

@CareBear Btw- thanks for this.

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7:46 PM

@Andy NICE comment. (+1)