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rene

10:02 AM

Why doesn't IE8 stop showing the item if it has a style display:none? What else does that fricking browser want me to do?

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion I don't think that URL was in a correct format, that might explain it.

Infinite Recursion

@ProgramFOX ok, is packers and movers included in the regex?

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion nope, but I'll add it

Infinite Recursion

@ProgramFOX thanks

ProgramFOX

Done:

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/…

Infinite Recursion

10:13 AM

I just bumped this, Smokey didn't catch it :/

ProgramFOX

Well uh..., Smokey seems a bit broken because it abords many times.

Infinite Recursion

ok

ProgramFOX

Undo probably has the logs and I pinged him about it, but he isn't online yet.

Infinite Recursion

thanks

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26650247/…

Sam

@InfiniteRecursion closed

Infinite Recursion

10:19 AM

@Sam thanks

Sam

I didn't actually get a chance to cv it. Everyone else beat me to it. ;)

Vogel612's Shadow

gimmetehrewritez stackoverflow.com/q/14152000/1803692

Sam

@Vogel612'sShadow The editor looks like Pham, but he's got a face.

Unihedron

dupe meta.stackoverflow.com/q/275648/3622940

SPArchaeologist

Morning

Do a room without rep requirements for testing exist?

Andrew T.

10:30 AM

Instead of getting the badge, I got a teapot :(

SPArchaeologist

@ProgramFOX - a bot user still require the 20 rep score? Even in a room you own?

Andrew T.

ProgramFOX

@SPArchaeologist Yes, you cannot add it if it doesn't have less than 20 reputation unless you are a mod.

@AndrewT. hint hint Provide your *k*y (two letters censored)

SPArchaeologist

@ProgramFOX so basically you have to sock to actually have an usable bot user?

ProgramFOX

@SPArchaeologist yep

SPArchaeologist

10:32 AM

......

bleargh.

ProgramFOX

You can ping a mod @SPArchaeologist.

Infinite Recursion

Sam got rep for Pham and Gham

Unihedron

I got rep for the java chat bot

DroidDev

@cVplZ ya, that will also become a problem. I think a meta post on uses of that will be good for everyone

Andrew T.

@ProgramFOX thanks! ;)

Scarily, it logged-off my account on MSE though, I thought I was gonna be banned

ProgramFOX

10:40 AM

@AndrewT. Weird, it did not do that for me.

Unihedron

Erm... kill-with-fire-pls stackoverflow.com/q/19626252/3622940

Andrew T.

@ProgramFOX probably due to the teapot (the response I got was "Suspicious activity" as the site title)

Vogel612's Shadow

@Unihedron dafuq?

SilentKiller

@Unihedron whats the question..?? O_o

ProgramFOX

@AndrewT. Oh, okay. I also got the teapot when I didn't yet provide the magic, but I didn't get banned.

Unihedron

10:41 AM

@SilentKiller If I were to guess, his browser messed up

ProgramFOX

Well I think he should post it on mSO, but he hasn't enough rep.

SilentKiller

@Unihedron "cant view messages or edit post or delete comments or posts" his repo is 1 only..

Infinite Recursion

@ProgramFOX last seen Oct 28 '13 at 2:07

Vogel612's Shadow

[naa] stackoverflow.com/a/1561682/1803692

misses the question and link-only..

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion oh well, then he had that problem a year ago, then it should probably be closed indeed...

DroidDev

10:43 AM

@Unihedron I am wondering, how was he able to come here and post a question on that amid all that ruckus :/

Infinite Recursion

that question is not worth so much discussion, kill-it-with-fire-pls

[editing] and [deleting] are bad tags on SO, most rants are tagged [deleting]

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/13924090/…

Unihedron

Yes, I'm burninating that tag. Mostly retagging the salvageable questions right now. Pro and Sam is in the tag burnination room right now too.

Infinite Recursion

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26532049/…

Unihedron

status-migrated

Infinite Recursion

Thanks

> I'm very lazy and hate that I have to move my right hand to the arrow keys or mouse every 5 seconds to move the cursor around and edit text. Is there a way I can keep my hands in typing position and move the cursor around?

Unihedron

10:55 AM

Someone synonymize [tmpfile] into [temporary-files] on SO pls

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PRESENT SIMPLE AND PAST SIMPLE by user5577 on ell.stackexchange.com

rene

@Unihedron make an MSO post, I'm sure no-one has enough rep to suggest that

Infinite Recursion

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Q: Make [tmpfile] a synonym for [temporary-files]

Please make tmpfile a synonym for temporary-files tmpfile: •Tag wiki ✗ •Questions tagged: 33 temporary-files: •Tag wiki ✔ •Questions tagged: 293 The tag info for temporary-files says: A (often short lived) file, automatically created for reasons like storing data that no longer fit into m...

SPArchaeologist

11:12 AM

Whose idea was to PROTECT the sandbox question on the meta site???

Unihedron

@SPArchaeologist Why not?

You wanna do sock puppetry on the thread? xP

Infinite Recursion

I unprotected it, now you can post your answers. (it got auto protected, probably after deletion of several answers from low rep users) — Shadow Wizard Sep 11 at 11:38

Cheers, it's a never ending battle with Community account since answers there get deleted very often. If it happens again feel free to ping me here, or ask in the Tavern from any 15k user to unprotect it again. :-) — Shadow Wizard Sep 11 at 11:43

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron because it was the most clean way to give that user the requirement to talk in MY room (which already is boh since the gui states that I should be able to bypass the 20 rep requirement as the room owner)

Infinite Recursion

^my first post on MSE, Sha hit me with his dupe hammer :P

Unihedron

@SPArchaeologist inb4 sock puppetry

Just go edit questions.

ProgramFOX

11:15 AM

@Unihedron On Meta, answering is easier.

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron Good idea!

ProgramFOX

On SO, editing is easier.

Infinite Recursion

@SPArchaeologist If you upvote your sock, we will report your profile

SPArchaeologist

Editing question

Unihedron

^

SPArchaeologist

11:17 AM

@InfiniteRecursion actually the idea was to upvote and retract the vote, just to bypass the requirement, add the user from the bugged gui, have the privilege retracted with the vote, profit since the user is already added. But you said it, no need to answer. I can edit.

Unihedron

@SPArchaeologist o_o

ProgramFOX

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/242805/…

Sam

Gone

rene

^

Sam

11:33 AM

in Low Quality Posts HQ, 36 secs ago, by Pham

Spam Q (90.9%): Perform natural powder whey proteins shakes include steroids?, by Peaboomni, on serverfault.com.

Vogel612's Shadow

spammer user..

Readyners

1

apache-2.2

nuke-pls

SPArchaeologist

Question:

ProgramFOX

That's an image, not a question :P

SPArchaeologist

^ in the above small screen you can se that the chat room own access control page says this:

Explicit write access

Even when this room is read-only or their reputation is too low, these users will be able to talk in this room.

ProgramFOX

@SPArchaeologist Moderators can still add your bot there, and you can also use that feature if it's a gallery chat room.

Infinite Recursion

11:38 AM

They can't, uni and I have a room, we tried to give his sock write access, it doesn't work

SPArchaeologist

seems that only diamond mods can add a user with rep<20 to the access list.

Infinite Recursion

yes

ProgramFOX

yep

SPArchaeologist

So, the question is:

Infinite Recursion

what?

SPArchaeologist

11:39 AM

the message is "bugged"?

should it be revised?

Infinite Recursion

too trivial, features are implemented only for users, not for socks

SPArchaeologist

Sock jokes aside, I was expecting to be able to give my bot account acces to the Sugar Cube, a room I OWN

Infinite Recursion

socks are not officially supported by stack exchange :P

SPArchaeologist

@InfiniteRecursion this is redicolous. If the user is a sock for voting, it won't chat. If it is for receiving votes, it won't have the <20 problem.

Infinite Recursion

even if you make a feature request, it will be declined for sure, not worth the dev time to change something for socks. Either help yourself and earn 20 rep, or ping a diamond here :)

SPArchaeologist

11:41 AM

I fail to see the joke here, sorry

anyway, at least I got the info I needed.

The message is wrong.

Thanks

Infinite Recursion

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A: Make [tmpfile] a synonym for [temporary-files]

Done and Done - both tmpfile and tempfile are now synonyms of temporary-files.

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion \o/

rene

@SPArchaeologist check this for your reference chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=2223093#2223093

SPArchaeologist

@rene don't worry not needing that now. Just wanting to check if the message is wrong or I missed something.

do the spoiler tag work on chat?

Vogel612's Shadow

>! let's check..

SPArchaeologist

11:54 AM

>!nope

Infinite Recursion

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

conversational about me

Fair warning: The Blue/Purple potatoes turn grey when boiled. My wife still harangues me for the "brain soup" I made, unknowingly. — Grey Dog 2 days ago

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26649802/…

SilentKiller

12:15 PM

status-closed

SPArchaeologist

12:39 PM

so long and thanks for the fish.

Unihedron

►

SPArchaeologist

@AnnaLear Sorry to brother you. You are a diamond mod right? Could you add this user for write access to this room?

Andy

1:00 PM

@SPArchaeologist If you are the room owner, you can do it yourself

ProgramFOX

@Andy Not if the bot doesn't have 20 rep, then you need a mod.

Andy

Have the user visit the room, then Click info -> Access Tab and add their user id to explicit write access

DroidDev

@SPArchaeologist I expected pinkiebot

Unihedron

@Andy Doesn't work if user you're adding is < 20 rep.

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26653770/html-css-jquery

SPArchaeologist

1:07 PM

@Andy Cannot already tried, the message says "Even when this room is read-only or their reputation is too low, these users will be able to talk in this room. " but you cannot add the user. Which by elf-style truth telling is actually correct, no one ever said that you can add the user, only that an added user bypass the requirements.

Patrick Hofman

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26653611/asp-net-web-config-error

cv-pls enthousiast self-answerer: stackoverflow.com/questions/26653986/…

Vogel612's Shadow

1:26 PM

inb4 meta-rant?

Stijn

@PatrickHofman close that as a dupe though, not as off-topic

Patrick Hofman

@Stijn I am not sure if it is a duplicate, already voted, so can't change any more.

Flag as NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/6041167/993547

Unihedron

@PatrickHofman no, salvage it

Infinite Recursion

I cv'ed it as OT, not dupe

Jan Dvorak

offensive stackoverflow.com/questions/11729835/…

jadarnel27

1:34 PM

A place with daily meetings is a place to quit ASAP. It's entirely unproductive in an IT environment. A weekly meeting at most, better is monthly. One can find out about progress or where one "stands" easily doing the usual office banter. If your boss mandates it he's a fool (to put it nicely :) and it's time to look for another job. Also if your added management duties (which means increased responsibility) did not come with a pay increase you've been screwed. — aseq 16 hours ago

@GarrisonNeely A place that is fixated on Scrum or Agile, or any other acronym, and holds daily meetings, is a place to quit. The wide popularity of something like Scrum is no evidence that it is good or useful, and may in fact be evidence to the contrary since it is usually non-technical bureaucrats who choose to adopt those kinds of buzzwordy standards. Don't get me wrong, standards can be good things, mostly in a "from time to time" way -- and in software development, they are almost by definition bad if they are instituted in an "every day" sort of manner. — EMS 10 hours ago

Infinite Recursion

Jan's offensive post might be a troll

jadarnel27

I am really perplexed by these comments.

Unihedron

@JanDvorak needs-nuke stackoverflow.com/users/4198601/someguy

Jan Dvorak

why? It's an unregistered account

Jason C

Those comments make sense to me, weirdly.

I mean I see where both of them are coming from. But they aren't very helpful.

jadarnel27

1:38 PM

@JasonC I guess it depends on what type of meeting it is. The place I work has a daily meeting that lasts 15 minutes or less, and I think it's incredibly helpful.

Infinite Recursion

report that profile @uni

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion I thought it's for profiles, not users?

Jason C

@jadarnel27 Yeah; I think it's that, in many cases poor implementation of those kinds of things leave people with a bad taste in their mouths, then they generalize and make comments like those ones. You can see where they are coming from, they probably come from backgrounds where those kinds of tools weren't used well and meetings were ineffective.

And now they're doomed to forever hating meetings.

Vogel612's Shadow

poor them...

jadarnel27

@JasonC That's a good point! The generalization is the thing that really rubs me the wrong way.

Infinite Recursion

1:41 PM

@Unihedron ok

jadarnel27

@JasonC I worked for a large corporation that had massive, long, pointless meetings - usually a few times a week, sometimes every day.

I did not enjoy those.

But this place does meetings quite well.

Jason C

@jadarnel27 Well, I've noticed that open-mindedness and not making those kinds of generalizations is a sign of experience. Not that not having experience is bad; but those kinds of blanket statements are a normal part of "growing up" in a career I think.

jadarnel27

That makes a lot of sense.

Jan Dvorak

LQQ superuser.com/questions/833793/…

Infinite Recursion

What's LQQ?

ProgramFOX

1:51 PM

Low Quality Question

Infinite Recursion

Ha

Spam file-recovery-guys superuser.com/a/568974/326910

Jan Dvorak

gone

Jason C

@InfiniteRecursion Another superuser.com/a/562538/245945 spam

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector falseu

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX Registered as false positive, added title to Bayesian doctype 'good', whitelisted user.

Jan Dvorak

1:59 PM

Has the name filter ever caught something?

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak Not yet, but I added it because I remember that there were some offensive posts by users with an offensive username so it looked like a good idea to add. And it's also just there for a week or something.

Infinite Recursion

Is the shouting broken by any chance, Smokey didn't report any shouting on the entire network in past couple of days, which seems unusual

I bumped a shouting post today to verify the same

Jan Dvorak

SPAM stackoverflow.com/questions/26650010/…

also, cv-pls

ProgramFOX

Spam gone

Infinite Recursion

and closed

Are your notifications working fine now?

Jan Dvorak

2:10 PM

yes

Infinite Recursion

:)

Unihedron

:)

Infinite Recursion

^copycat

Today @rene is dominating the star wall, no Bart :(

rene

As long as we have Dutch dominance we are both fine wth it....

Infinite Recursion

^offensive

rene

2:17 PM

Please star the message to indicate it is offensive

Anna Lear

@SPArchaeologist done

Infinite Recursion

hides

I wonder what SPArchaeologist's bot will do..

Jan Dvorak

@InfiniteRecursion you've missed a punny self-referential joke here.

Infinite Recursion

Speak your mind, I truly am unable to see any joke

Jan Dvorak

s/hides/ducks/

ProgramFOX

2:23 PM

haha

Jason C

Well that's a stretch, lol.

Infinite Recursion

meanie, and a duckist

hiya @uni @uni @uni @uni :)

Unihedron

hiya @inf @inf @inf @inf :D

Infinite Recursion

xD

Jan Dvorak

ducks

Anna Lear

2:27 PM

quack

ProgramFOX

owls

Meh, there is not a verb "to owl" :(

Anna Lear

this conversation is a real ... hoot

Unihedron

leans on table and moans

Jan Dvorak

poofs without @inf noticing

Infinite Recursion

that's why you are annoying @jan ;)

SmokeDetector

2:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW TO FILTER VARCHAR(50) DATE COLUMN IN MS SQL by user1738821 on stackoverflow.com

Infinite Recursion

Smokey caught shouting^

Unihedron

Good smokey!

Jason C

[ SmokeDetector ] Terrible pun: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2583716#2583716 by Anna Lear on chat.meta.stackexchange.com

ProgramFOX

[ SmokeDetector ] Fake SmokeDetector detected: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2583759#2583759 by Jason C on chat.meta.stackexchange.com

Unihedron

Impersonation (-512%): [ SmokeDetector ] Terrible pun: chat.meta.stackexchange.com by Jason C on chat.meta.stackexchange.com.

Jan Dvorak

2:32 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Lame self-referential Inception joke detected: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2583786#2583786

cya

ProgramFOX

cya

Sam

cya

Infinite Recursion

cya

Jason C

Oh, you guys.

DroidDev

cya

bjb568

2:38 PM

cya

Infinite Recursion

We love trains! One ends and another begins @JasonC

Jason C

Well, guess I should check my email and thus officially start the day. \o

Infinite Recursion

Dev team, thanks for adding the name-popup on mobile chat, it's great.

Unihedron

I agree!

Nate Kerkhofs

testing Does this appear in Italics, or does it show with 2 stars?

so it appears in italics

How can I show it with a star in front and back without making it fixed-width?

Unihedron

2:44 PM

*like this*

Are you a programmer, @Nate?

Nate Kerkhofs

yeah

Unihedron

Ok. Escape the asterisks.

Nate Kerkhofs

what character do I use to escape them?

I know what escaping is

just not how to do that in MD

ProgramFOX

\* like this

with a backslash

Unihedron

facedesk

Nate Kerkhofs

2:45 PM

It's that simple?

@Unihedron not all languages use \ to escape

Unihedron

@NateKerkhofs Yeah, sure.

bjb568

All reasonable languages do.

Nate Kerkhofs

@Unihedron In HTML, it's done through %encoding

Unihedron

@NateKerkhofs it's called a print encoding, not escaping, and I really don't have time for this

bjb568

HTML is weird.

Unihedron

2:47 PM

bye

Patrick Hofman

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/26656039/…

Nate Kerkhofs

I'm not going to discuss escaping now as well, since that's not exactly on-topic. I just wanted to know how I could do it in an SO text box

thanks for that

Unihedron

also you can escape either chars in a markdown and it will neglect the formatting, so any of these will work:

\*words* *words\* \*words\*

Nate Kerkhofs

Didn't you not have time for this?

Infinite Recursion

uni escape!

Unihedron

2:51 PM

What?

Sam

@Unihedron Escape from the Tavern before it's too late!

2

Infinite Recursion

^^

Unihedron

@Sam Yeah, because someone is wrong on the internet? :P

I'm actually studying an ascii art rendering algorithm.

SPArchaeologist

@AnnaLear Thanks. Have also discovered that I still need the rep if I hope that the avatar will show.... but I appreciate you kindness.

Infinite Recursion

Anyone willing, can read the articles Deceze wrote about characters

Unihedron

2:56 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Good grief, third person perspective

Patrick Hofman

[cv-pls] stackoverflow.com/questions/26656333/…

Infinite Recursion

Still, explains what every programmer should know about text, it was the first resource I could recall atm @uni

Lynn Crumbling

^^ closed

Unihedron

@InfiniteRecursion It's great!

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