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12:04 AM
I'm planning on getting two more computer monitors at some point.
 
Devote one to SO's flag queue and the other to deleting mSO programming questions.
I'm interested to see how much an mSE will cut down on programming questions
Hopefully most of them stay on mSO.
 
It should cut it down a lot
 
I hope it does.
I wonder how much migrating is going to be done between the two.
 
@3ventic Especially since child metas require 5 rep on main before you can post to them.
 
That is precisely why
 
12:35 AM
gives everyone some cranberry sauce
 
12:49 AM
Um, animated ads? And no ability (in Chrome, I can do it in IE) to request that they not be shown again? I'm not the only person seeing this, am I?
(Braintree, on SO)
 
1:34 AM
@MichaelPetrotta Where?
 
2:09 AM
Stack Overflow, right-side 3:4 ad, @Undo.
 
 
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4:04 AM
Christmas was good. I ate too much food. Repeatedly.
 
It's because it was brown, isn't it?
 
nods
 
4:53 AM
Yay, back to work tomorrow \o/
 
5:29 AM
Hrm, I'm at a bit of a loss trying to think of a good way to design an inventory system that uses categories + an unknown number of sub-categories.
 
 
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8:00 AM
@MichaelPetrotta that's weird, you should see Favorite Tags and Ignored tags below the Community Bulletin
Can't find that ad maybe you have some browser extension or toolbar injecting it?
@AnnaLear I flagged this question choosing "Other" to explain and the flag is still active. By "handled" I assume you sent some warning to those two? Thanks!
 
8:26 AM
@ShadowWizard:
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Q: Oy! Animated ads!

Michael PetrottaStack Overflow delivered a little piece of coal to me, today (or I noticed it for the first time today). Animated GIFs as ads. Like, the old-school, flashy-flashy kind: Here are two deanimated frames: The ad (sourced from here) flips back and forth a few times before settling on the fi...

 
@MichaelPetrotta wow, I stand corrected!
 
@Shadow, well, I thought that too - that's why I checked on another computer.
 
 
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12:27 PM
hi, should we flag answers like this as "not an answer"? stackoverflow.com/questions/2137421/…
I do not have a link-only answer option, just when reviewing low-quality answers. This has just came up in the late answers queue.
 
The question itself is asking for link only answers so I would just flag the question as "Other" and ask to close it. As for the answers, they do answer the question so NAA flag is not fitting in my opinion and would likely be rejected anyway... you can downvote if you like.
Also see this for lots of discussion about this topic
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Q: Should I flag answers which contain only a link as "not an answer"?

ChichirayMore than often I get a lot of itch when I see an answer which contains only a link. For example this one. Check this link, it will solve your query.. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v6r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.websphere.express.doc/info/exp/ae/rdat_dawp02.html This ...

 
No, the question is not looking for a link. It is looking for a "tutorial" which should be inline on stackoverflow.
I do not think this should be closed either.
 
A tutorial is either "too broad" or "asking for external resources", which are both off topic
 
No, Stack Overflow is Q&A where "A" stands for "Answer", not "Tutorial". Answer that copy whole tutorial is as bad as link only answer in my opinion.
 
12:44 PM
No, it is your interpretation... Good answers are worth of tutorials. There are several thousand (if not more) answers around that are lotta better than the corresponding "tutorials".
anyway, -1'd and flagged.
It was already removed, good.
 
 
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2:32 PM
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Q: Work is hard, let's color the walls

Tiny TimPicture pages! Picture pages! Time to get your picture pages! ... time to get your crayons and your pencils! That's right, it's time to realize that you're simply not going to get anything meaningful accomplished this week, and your time would be better rewarded by joining in on the last of th...

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3:04 PM
hopes I actually win something
Whoa, I actually got two upvotes on something I made!
This is unheard of!
But I'm not complaining :P
 
@Undo I think you need to include "Meta Stack Overflow" in your title.
 
@jadarnel27 Good idea.
@jadarnel27 Done.
 
claps
 
Pekka is probably working on something that will blow mine out of the water.
 
3:20 PM
@UndotheSnowman For crossing a unicorn with a chicken? You damn well better win something.
 
@TinyTim Ha! signs up for art class
I should probably look at the rules and what I could win
I just read the first paragraph and fired up GIMP.
> - Unicorns
Check!
 
Where / how does one complain about misuse of the "free text" close reason?
 
@jadarnel27 On meta, of course.
Can someone tell me what the heck a padfolio is?
Do padfolios grow on trees in Hawaii?
 
@Undo I've been using these sites for a couple years now =) I was just trying to decide whether I should make a Meta post, or just mod flag the post where the close votes have happened.
Since it's isolated, I think I'll just mod flag. Maybe.
Or I'll just ignore it.
 
If it happens more that about twice, post on Meta.
Or ignore it.
That works too.
Oooh, those retractable sharpies look cool.
 
3:27 PM
12
Q: Put restrictions in place for users who abuse/misuse custom close reasons

phwdI was going through some questions today and I came across one that didn't fit the scope of Stack Overflow. On entering the close dialog I was presented with the following (The user who created this custom reason has 20K+ rep) Is this really what the flexibility of close reasons comes to now?...

 
Oh, I've seen those before.
 
Ah, thanks @random. I tried searching and couldn't find a discussion about the topic.
That's perfect.
I imagine if I would have noticed the tag, I would have been in good shape haha.
Alright, sent a mod flag. Though cooler heads prevailed, and the question was closed with a more appropriate reason.
 
4:15 PM
"We are moving data between pages via query string, which is about 7,000 characters" - Ewwwwwww.
 
@jadarnel27 Where you see that?
 
It was on an SO question.
 
was meaning it's now deleted?
 
Oh, I thought that was somehow moving stuff to mSE :P
 
No, it's still hanging around, @ShadowWizard.
Sorry for my confusing conjugation.
 
4:20 PM
@jadarnel27 can't find it, care to post the link? :)
 
Oh, right. I was paraphrasing. Sure, just a sec.
 
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Q: query string length issue in IE

sabaedgeWe have an ASP .NET 4.0 application. We transfer data between pages through query strings. In one case we are moving a large data to the next page which is around 7000 characters. We were getting query string length error. Then we tried increasing the maxquerystring length in Web.config. Now it i...

 
Hey, that's the one.
Thanks, @ProgramFox. I'm on my phone, so getting links is not totally simple.
I feel like they must be doing something very wrong if they feel the need to put that much in the query string.
 
@jadarnel27 true, I did my best to help this poor soul. :)
 
Well said, @ShadowWizard =)
 
5:18 PM
BTW, @TinyTim, did you really have a pallet of mugs fall on your head?
You type too coherently.
 
@UndotheSnowman Define 'mug'
 
@TinyTim Things you put coffee in.
 
@UndotheSnowman I put coffee in some very interesting things.
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@TinyTim Like what?
 
5:24 PM
Hi
@ThiefMaster are you there?
 
yes
 
Why was this answer deleted?
out of curiosity
oooo
android app...
duuuh....
Thanks.
 
exactly ;)
 
Can you accept my edit to the OP?
I know the tag is there but it is not that noticeable lol
 
@hichris123 Well, mugs mostly.
 
5:27 PM
@qwertynl It looks like your edit is rejected by the OP.
 
Ummm why was it rejected? that makes no sense... meta.stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/23120
Can someone edit it?
 
just edited the title.. it's probably better in there anyway
and i guess you have to ask the OP why he rejected it
 
Weird...
 
5:40 PM
@UndotheSnowman: What kind of comments would you flag using that script? Obsolete ones? If yes, why not share the comment ids (preferably grouped by/including post ids)? That way someone could easily parse them with a script, display the nicely (simple overview to spot false positives) and then nuke them quickly without going through the flag queue
 
@ThiefMaster Probably start with the please-accept ones - they're really easy to detect automatically.
@ThiefMaster The problem with that is that then I don't get any helpful flags ;(
But if it's what you'd prefer (and it probably is), then I'm all for it.
 
yes, please send me a list of ids (dumping them in a gist is fine). i still have a userscript here to bulk-delete comments. sorry about the flags part :p
yeah, it would be much easier...
 
I don't have the auto-finder running yet, but it's pretty easy to figure out.
 
@ThiefMaster I already sort of do that with the ones I see on Charcoal Physics
 
@ThiefMaster Is this kind of what you were thinking?:
 
5:52 PM
i'd probably do it much more compact (one comment per line, no other information, and then a button to bulk-delete all of them)
 
@ThiefMaster Sometimes the context needs nuking too. Show context makes it more efficient
 
@ThiefMaster If you're up for it, I'd like to have it built in to my back end - I can make it look however you want, and @Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish I'm sure can provide the magic.
 
i guess the whole thing you have is written as a userscript?
 
I ought to change my name back, this is getting ridiculous
 
5:54 PM
@Mr. Yeah, it is :P
 
@ThiefMaster Charcoal is a webapp
 
@ThiefMaster It's a webapp.
Manish and I built it. I have a DB of like 150,000 comments behind it.
 
@UndotheSnowman I didn't build it....did I?
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish You helped a lot.
 
5:55 PM
hm, sending ajax talls to SO might be hard because of CORS restrictions
 
I sort of provided some input :P You did all the code-y stuff
 
@ThiefMaster We have an API now :D
 
@ThiefMaster AJAX GET is possible by proxying through PHP
 
 $.ajax({
     url: '/posts/comments/' + id + '/vote/10',
     type: 'POST',
     data: {
         fkey: '...'
     },
     dataType: 'text'
 });
 
Also, SE API 2.2, though that is unstable
 
5:56 PM
not the kind of call i'd want proxied through a machine i don't own ;)
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish Problem: to POST I need ThiefMaster's fkey or access_token... which...
Ya know. Makes some people nervous.
 
oh AJAX POST
@ThiefMaster that can be done via iframing if you ask the user for the fkey
It can be done without sending the fkey to the Charcoal server
 
hm yeah, that would work. but ajax would be cleaner ;)
 
It would.
 
if you had an option to simply export a list of ids that were marked as valid to be deleted it wouldn't be a problem to copy&paste it into a local script executed via JS console on SO itself
 
5:58 PM
@ThiefMaster You could just run through however many you want to on the site and then I can export the ones you handled and marked valid.
 
@ThiefMaster One thing that can be done is this: You "pretend flag" stuff from Charcoal, and then it generates some throttled flagging JS that is pasted into the console
 
I really don't want to play with authentication stuff, especially mod authentication stuff.
 
yeah
and no mod would let your site authenticate to his account anyway
 
@UndotheSnowman If you want I can give you the throttled JS code tomorrow, all you have to do is fill in an array
 
I would hope not.
 
5:59 PM
i probably wouldn't even do that on a host owned by another mod...
 
So then you have the app keep track of comments the user pretend flags, and generate the code when asked for
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish I vote we just let @ThiefMaster run through the queue like you or I would, then I can export the ones he handled on my side and send it to him.
 
@ThiefMaster darn it, my plans to rule SO are foiled
 
i thought you guys already have a bunch of ids that were manually validated?
 
@UndotheSnowman Sure, but I'm talking about the current state of the app. Not just ThiefMaster's run
 
6:00 PM
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish Oh, sure.
@ThiefMaster All of those have already been flagged.
 
We haven't started the automatic queue yet.
(it is an API we shouldn't have, after all)
 
@UndotheSnowman Here's a idea: Split the app into two sections
 
Mod and user?
 
@Undo Do you really care? I got that from decompiling the Android app, not that hidden.
 
6:01 PM
In one section, you just mark comments or comment threads as flaggable
In the other one, you actually flag them
 
Hmm
Sounds complex
 
@UndotheSnowman Or, do this: Currently, we have valid/invalid. Valid means "valid and I flagged it", right?
 
In most cases, yeah
 
Add a third option, "flaggable", which means "valid but I didn't flag"
And record those and give the IDs in bulk to mods
Or something
 
6:03 PM
I think that's the easiest way.
 
It would be a way for users to keep Charcoaling after their flag limit is reached
 
@Mr. "Charcoaling"? New verb.
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish sounds perfect
 
But if it's valid but I didn't flag, does that really mean I'm confident in it?
Sounds more like a 'meh, let a mod handle this' button to me.
 
6:04 PM
@Undo You could be just too lazy, or pass your limit for the day.
 
Hmm
Maybe we should get TM a login at least, let him play with it a little.
 
We = you
 
grumbles about adding stuff manually to DB
@ThiefMaster wanna drop in here?
 
@UndotheSnowman It means (a) no flags left, or (b) too lazy to flag
 
@Mr.PeanutMonopolyMcManish Yeah, maybe. It just sounds misusable.
 
7:03 PM
Let's generate some traction on this subject!
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A: What can we do to stop bad edits getting accepted?

Jeroen VannevelI was going to post this as a separate question until I came across this topic. If something seems off about the wording it's because it was meant as a standalone post. I believe my point of view differs from most of the already provided answers in that it focuses more on raising awareness rathe...

 
unless you explicitly keep track of the edit. This is a lot of work that will require a lot of tabs to keep open I have two right now. That's low.
 
@MichaelPetrotta I've got 23 tabs open right now and I'm using all of them. But even if I wasn't, it would be a lot more userfriendly if we could see this all on one page / report.
 
Well, like you say, that's a poor way to manage the problem, @Jeroen.
 
Clarification: 23 tabs in total. If I'd add a few more for specific posts that I'm not already following because of a closevote, I can't even read my titles anymore
@MichaelPetrotta Wouldn't you say receiving a notification / daily report about the results be a better solution?
 
I may have missed it in your answer, @Jeroen, but how would that help? At that point, the damage has been done. Are you thinking cleanup after the fact?
I keep those tabs, myself, to try to catch suggested edits in flight.
And personally, I'd like to focus attention on those schlubs approving bad edits. I know that's not what you're focusing on in your answer, though.
 
7:17 PM
@MichaelPetrotta It's intended as a tool for people who vote incorrectly. By getting that overview about their votes they can adjust their behaviour
Heh, that's pretty much exactly what I (intend to) focus on in my answer :p
"I believe the main offenders here are the people who approve these suggestions and subsequently encourage this behaviour. "
Maybe I worded a few things badly? I'll reread my post after I get back from dinner
 
Well, I think I was reading it from my POV, as a (very prolific) reviewer who looks at history. I don't think casual reviewers will use tools like that. @Jeroen
Unless it's somehow brought to their attention. "You screwed up, and here's where"
 
7:44 PM
Hi
 
@MichaelPetrotta You're right. That's why I would like a system that actually gives you notifications (like rep changes/comments) as warnings/positive reinforcement and at the end of each voting period gives you an overview of how you did.
I think that would weed out a lot of the people who just didn't know they were approving badly but do want to improve.
 
Shog9 doesn't like "negative" notifications (notice how the topbar doesn't tell you about downvotes, only upvotes), but I think that's a good idea.
 
The out-of-the-box dropdownlist is a horrible and unfriendly control. I would suggest that you .Clear(), SelectedIndex = -1 and SelectedValue = null (or, SelectedValue = 0) before you populate the control. OR, you could create a user control and use that instead. — Brian 2 mins ago
That is bizarre. I've never seen complaints about the DropDownList specifically before.
Other than general complaints about ASP.NET server controls.
 
8:09 PM
"There are no items for you to review matching the filter "off-topic; [asp.net]" - wow. That's a first for me.
Also, I just got a review audit that was a question with a bounty on it (and the bounty showed on the review page). That should probably be filtered out, considering you can't close vote bountied questions anyway.
I voted to close (failing the audit) to see if it was a bug, and was going to let me vote to close a question with a bounty on it.
 
8:31 PM
@jadarnel27 that wasn't very smart, was it? I would have tried from the question page itself, not via the review. Anyway good point, feature request asking to exclude bounty questions from audits or at least hide the bounty in the review screen would make lots of sense. :)
 
@ShadowWizard That was a bit shortsighted, wasn't it? =)
 
someone asked about hats the other day if you exceed the limit for each review queue within a day: imagebin.org/283939 Well, I did not get any hat, but now I can prove this achievement during the hat period.
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If someone wants to post such a feature request, my feelings will not be hurt. Otherwise, I may post it myself later this evening.
I believe @Lance was wondering about that.
(the review queue hat thing)
 
yeah, might be.
 
I'd like to see, as a secret hat, casting the final vote to empty all review queues.
 
8:39 PM
Anyone tried to close his own question just yet? Maybe this will give hat?
 
Thanks @Laszlo, I was wondering, now I know. You should get an Eureka hat for that.
 
:-)
 
I can't believe the close vote review is increasing again. We need to generate more incentive when WinterBash is over:
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A: Proposed contest for close review queue posse

Lance RobertsI think a contest is the right approach, but it needs to be done in a big way. First, set an amount of time, I was thinking two months, though 45 days is fine. If you do that starting next month, you can end things at the end of the year, but that's not crucial. Second, you give out one-time p...

 
9:01 PM
Lol, only just now got the Chuck Yeager hat. Guess that's what I get for not posting answers for a while XD
 
Hi
 
That's a neat trick you did there on Meta, @qwertynl. On the verge of dialing the sub down some, but maybe not.
 
@MichaelPetrotta :-D
Can a mod please remove the comments here?
 
Flag the post for moderator attention, @qwertynl.
 
Thanks @MichaelPetrotta
 
9:08 PM
yah
 
9:22 PM
Whew
That was exciting.
 
Interesting, didn't realize that Stack Overflow is still the official place for developers to go for their Facebook questions:
 
And the spelled it StackOverflow!
Grrr
Someone write Facebook a nastygram that says it's Stack Overflow.
 
Used to be, @Lance. Poor word spacing aside, that wording doesn't say "official".
Any more.
 
I see the spaces in there, did I miss something?
 
9:26 PM
F12d it. No space.
 
@MichaelPetrotta, yep, you're right, I overexaggerated, but still interesting and it means we need to be careful with the off-topicness of Facebook posts.
 
They fixed the wording over the earlier, really really problematic versions. I don't see an issue with "[the place to] get help with your development questions."
 
I wonder if it's your font @UndotheSnowman?
 
that's not the page I'm looking at, @Lance. Link?
 
Not the page I'm looking at
^ No space there
 
9:29 PM
I posted the link right after my first post up the page.
 
It must be taking us to different places.
 
That link doesn't go to a page that shows the text you're showing in your image.
 
I see the same thing on your link @UndotheSnowman, even after a refresh, maybe you need to reload?
 
@LanceRoberts Are you a registered FB dev or something?
^ What I see
 
9:31 PM
I'm using Firefox, wonder if there's a font difference.
Maybe it's because I'm signed into Facebook (not as a FB dev, just a normal Facebook user).
 
Probably. I'm not.
 
All else said, Stack Overflow on-topic policy trumps Facebook policy, when it comes to asking questions on SO.
And I believe the SE-FB partnership was terminated.
 
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Q: Is it time to re-evaluate the Facebook-Stack Overflow partnership?

bkaidIt has been 6 months since the Facebook-StackOverflow partnership and mini-site were launched. Is there any data that can be shared publicly about whether the Facebook mini-site has been a success or a failure? To me, it has generally felt like there has been little, and now dwindling, support...

 
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Q: Facebook partnership and subsite no more?

phwdI noticed today when going to http://facebook.stackoverflow.com I am 301 Moved Permanently redirected to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/facebook*. Is the mini-site gone or is this just a bug?

But not as conclusive as I had remembered.
 
10:05 PM
Next is java -> javascript right @JimmyHoffa ? :-D — qwertynl 9 mins ago
^ can I make that a feature request?
:-D
 
A php cli flagger thingy!
 
Yay!
 
Read that first as you loading up a script to nuke 29 million comments.
 
@MichaelPetrotta LOL
 
Is this NAA?
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A: How to draw multiple overlapping circles

AndrieSomebody had to do it: library(plotrix) n <- 28 col <- rainbow(n) plot(-2:2, -2:2 ,type="n",xlab="",ylab="",main="28 stupid overlapping circles") for(i in 0:(n-1)){ theta <- i/n * 2 * pi draw.circle(cos(theta), sin(theta), radius=1, border=col[i],lty=1,lwd=1) }

 
10:09 PM
@ColeJohnson looks fine to me.
 
@Undo but how?
 
@ColeJohnson Because it is an answer.
 
@qwertynl I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious
 
@ColeJohnson Yes.
 
How do I do that?
<sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub>‌​<sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><sub><strong>*</strong> let's see if it works for questions too...</sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></‌​sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub></sub‌​></sub></sub>
no
 
Haha It does not work in chat. Different markdown in chat.
 
on another topic
we need 4 more close votes
679
Q: Change an element's CSS class with JavaScript

Nathan SmithHow can I change a CSS class of an HTML element in response to an onClick event using JavaScript?

 
@ColeJohnson U mean delete votes?
Sorry, I cannot vote...
 
I'll take delete votes
But I'd perfer to close it first
 
10:22 PM
You can't close an answer.
 
Sorry, wrong link
Feel free to cast a delete vote on the lowest rated answers though
 
I can't.
@TinyTim are you there?
 
@ColeJohnson why would you want to close that?
 
10:38 PM
@9Shogsa-Shogging "questions asking for code must demonstrate..."
 
@ColeJohnson I didn't ask you for the text of an off-topic reason, I asked why you want to close a specific question.
 
I hate that reason
 
@ColeJohnson That question is from 2008...
 
One which, by all indications, has been immensely useful to a very large number of people.
 
@UndotheSnowman It gets rid of more than half the crap on the site
 
10:39 PM
I know, but I feel a little weird every time I use it. Just personal opinion.
 
@9Shogsa-Shogging I though we aren't supposed to close questions based on their age, but with the current close reasons
It's somewhere in the FAQ
It said to treat every question as if it were asked today
 
@ColeJohnson I thought we were supposed to close problematic questions that would be a detriment to the site and its community if they were left around?
 
I'm not saying it needs to be deleted. I'm just saying it needs to be closed
 
@ColeJohnson why?
 
Because it fits one of the close reasons, and therefore should be closed?
 
10:40 PM
@9Shogsa-Shogging Keeping that around with it's high upvote count and being open gives a false message to new users
that's why we're supposed to close them
 
Not my opinion, just trying to find the reasoning for closing it.
 
@UndotheSnowman the close reasons were intended to serve the folks moderating the site, reflecting their policies and proclivities, not dictating them.
 
I know that, but I can also see where people figure that if it fits a reason it should be closed.
 
10:42 PM
@9Shogsa-Shogging What's the difference between This question already has an answer here: Possible duplicate: and "Exact duplicate` when questions are closed as duplicates?
 
If you look, nearly all the old questions with high vote counts are closed and locked
 
@hichris123 link?
@ColeJohnson no
 
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Q: What decides what to prepend the duplicate question list with on a duplicate question?

user215114On duplicate questions, I often see different headings for the duplicate question list. These include: Possible Duplicate: [duplicate question list] and This question already has an answer here: [duplicate question list] and more recently, This question is an exact duplicat...

 
@animuson Thanks.
 
let's define "old" as "before 7/1/2009" and "high vote count" as "> 100" then, @Cole
 
10:45 PM
Let me try to rephrase what I've said
Imagine that that question was asked just today
Would you close it?
 
2400 results
342 results
an additional 166 results are deleted
still well under a majority
 
Ok, I was wrong there
 
@9Shogsa-Shogging But would you close that question today?
 
Closed
Why should a question that is effectivly the same not be?
The OP is asking for code
On the one I'm requesting closed, the OP is asking for code
Why are they different?
 
@hichris123 Maybe; who knows? Does it have Peter's excellent answer when I find it? Are there existing duplicates that the asker ignored? Are there existing duplicates that could benefit from being closed and pointed to Peter's answer (and others)?
 
10:50 PM
You bring up a good point:
 
@9Shogsa-Shogging Ignore the fact that there are duplicates of it
If it was asked TODAY
 
I would close it if it presented a problem. As it stands now, it is actually the solution to rather a large number of other problems.
 
would you close it
 
@ColeJohnson I try not to ignore things like that.
 
What if a low rep user asked it?
 
10:50 PM
@ColeJohnson I do try to ignore things like that.
 
What do we do with bad questions that don't show minimum understanding, but have great answers and historical significance?
 
(I'm serious: I'll nearly always search for duplicates when reviewing questions like this one. And even when they come up in /review, it's not uncommon to find that a newer question actually makes a better dup-target than dup-source)
 
Why is that one different than half the crap we get today?
 
@ColeJohnson let's take a specific example: stackoverflow.com/questions/20370700/…
What is the difference between that question and the one you voted to close?
 
The one I voted to close doesn't show "effort" if you were to read the close reason
Here's the close reason:
Questions asking for code must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved. Include attempted solutions, why they didn't work, and the expected results. See also: Stack Overflow question checklist
Hmm. Is there an attempted solution? No
Is it asking for code? Yes
 
10:56 PM
@ColeJohnson is he asking for code? Does he appear to understand the concepts involved well enough to utilize a reasonable answer?
@ColeJohnson where?
@ColeJohnson note that the close reason does not contain the word "effort" anywhere in it.
 
"How can I change a CSS class of an HTML element in response to an onClick event using JavaScript?"
Sounds like asking for code
 
How about this? How is it not asking for code
Because "using JavaScript" sounds a lot like it's gonna involve code, don't you think?
As for "effort". The old close reasons had the word effort in them
 
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