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RyanCarlson

00:02

Whoa. I just noticed a bug.

A user's hat doesn't resize with their avatar when they post miltiple messages in a row

Only sometimes, apparently.

jmac

@RyanCarlson Yes, yes it is.

3ventic

It doesn't resize if you minimize the tab/window after the first message is posted and reopen after there are multiple

bluefeet

yay, the clock has reset I have flags again.

RyanCarlson

@3ventic Ah

jmac

I am getting good at this Tavern thing. Two messages with more than 5 stars this week? I must be doing something right (or alternatively your standards are slipping). Because we all know that starred messages are the gold standard of, errr, chat.

And it got me a hat!

3ventic

00:06

@jmac I joined the tavern. That's what happened

ElfSlice

It's not a contest!

RyanCarlson

@jmac Chatty Chatty?

3ventic

It's annoying when the same post appears in first posts, late answers and LQ posts review...

jmac

@RyanCarlson Nope, Winter is Coming!

(I already had Chatty Chatty)

RyanCarlson

You only need one star for that.

jmac

00:10

Yes, but I needed it today, so it was timely and unexpected.

3ventic

So close D:

jmac

Why is it that when Tim's Disembodied Head asks for stories, everyone posts modified songs? Conclusion: Programmers are very bad at reading directions.

Undo the Snowman

Conclusion: Programmers are very bad at music.

3ventic

Programmers weren't programmed to read directions, they were programmed to make them

RyanCarlson

@3ventic D: you should've mentioned that a few minutes ago! Someone probably would've upvoted one of your posts.

Just so you could get that hat.

3ventic

00:13

I didn't actually notice until I got my UpDo hat

RyanCarlson

At least you got one hat

3ventic

True

A few more days and I should have 10k network rep

Undo the Snowman

@3ventic Congrats!

RyanCarlson

I almost got the UpDo hat, but then someone downvoted one of my questions at ~23:00 UTC Time

jmac

Yes, congratulations.

3ventic

00:15

9510 currently and I'm getting ~150 a day

It would be awesome for it to happen on christmas eve :d

jmac

I want to get 3k on Stack Overflow.

I have been stalled in the mid-2ks forever.

3ventic

I really don't want to get rid of this notification:

jmac

Worked hard to answer everything in google-visualization, but that attracted real experts to come and do it, and those experts are way better at answering questions than me. It's almost as if non-programmers are somehow less able to program than professional programmers are. Go figure.

3ventic

When I got the association bonus from SO, I found out about Arqade and figured that I'm much better at gaming than programming

jmac

Yeah, The Workplace is a lot easier for me than SO is. Meta SO is like stealing reputation from babies though.

3ventic

00:19

I only came to MSO to post one question, but it ended up earning me so much reputation I stayed

40

Q: Automatically reject suggested edits where edit summary is an email address

Could we automatically reject a suggested edit if the edit summary is only an email address? We all know it is very common for spam bots to enter email address to the one-line field that is after a post and an edit summary should never be just an email address. In the past few months I've seen l...

That one

RyanCarlson

Pretty much the same thing happened to me: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/211710/…

jmac

I remember reading that -- that was a brilliant catch. It is funny how we gain domain knowledge, and it's awesome that you were able to realize it and verbalize it to help out the site quality!

3ventic

That's what we're here for, right?

I haven't seen any of those edits in a while though

Maybe the changes they made helped against them

jmac

Well, some people are here nigh exclusively for badges or for rep or for socialization. So no, we aren't all here to improve site quality necessarily.

RyanCarlson

I feel that I don't deserve the 227 rep from that question, because my question started out more like "I recently earned a secret hat. Is there any way to tell how I earned this hat?"

Instead of "How do I earn the Johnny Three-hats hat?"

jmac

00:24

Meta rep is meaningless -- don't worry about it. Great thought-out questions get 20 downvotes if they hit meta on a bad day, and throwaways can garner dozens of upvotes for being in the right place at the right time

3ventic

I really don't feel like I've earned 270 rep for this but it just happens to be the case. Trivial answers are the easiest to vote on..

jmac

My highest-scored answer is definitely not trivial:

67

A: Boss does not answer questions

Give a man a fish... If you ask me what the current rate between JPY and USD is, I can tell you (about 95 JPY/USD). If you need to know the same thing again next week, or next month, and I'm not around, what will you do? It may be efficient in the short-term to just tell you to use 95, but long...

RyanCarlson

@jmac My highest-scored post is fairly trivial.

The question itself started out as 4 sentences

jmac

As with most things on SE, "it depends"

3ventic

My highest voted question on Arqade is 3 sentences..

animuson

00:28

Am I the only one that thought this was a special hat made for jmort253? — animuson 34 secs ago

Undo the Snowman

My highest voted mSO question is about educating spammers.

2

95

Q: We need to improve the quality of our spam!

Recently, I've noticed a downhill effect in the quality of spam posted on Stack Exchange websites. Take this as an example (found on Space.SE): There are a great many things wrong with this artifact: There is not one capitalized letter in the entire post. (-1 grammar point.) The only pun...

discussion spam fun always-friday-in-iceland

RyanCarlson

Oh, you're the person that asked that!

3ventic

That question of mine started out as 2 sentences, too...

hichris123

@Undo You need to make one to reopen Spam Review.

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 You do that.

Your idea.

:P

animuson

00:29

I will destroy it with fire.

Undo the Snowman

@animuson That would be bad.

Bad animuson!

3ventic

Remember to make it fireproof

hichris123

Hmm... does mod fire create damage?

Or would meta users cry in outrage?

RyanCarlson

I rofled when I saw the "Did you know this one weird trick?" example question in spam review.

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 Depends on the weather. Meta people are unpredictable.

RyanCarlson

00:31

That was before it was closed, though

hichris123

Hey, why not.

I don't really care about my meta rep.

Undo the Snowman

Oh dear.

hichris123

And I want the proposal reopened.

@Undo If you never hear from me again...

Undo the Snowman

Can I have your helpful flags?

hichris123

Meta post on mod fire.

Undo the Snowman

00:32

Oh

That's less useful.

But ok!

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 Link me to the question when you post it!

I'll vote it up

Undo the Snowman

I will too.

hichris123

Hmm... discussion or support?

Undo the Snowman

support.

Most certainly.

RyanCarlson

discussion.

Undo the Snowman

00:33

If you're going to be crazy, be crazy all the way.

RyanCarlson

Most certainly.

Undo the Snowman

Yeah, discussion

hichris123

@animuson Please don't unleash the fire on me.

RyanCarlson

No, tag it [bug]!

Undo the Snowman

Heh

hichris123

00:34

@RyanCarlson It probably was a bug that the proposal was closed.

animuson

I wish they'd just delete the proposal so people will stop messing around with it.

RyanCarlson

Closing it can't possibly be intentional. Therefore it's a bug

ElfSlice

It's a bug every time I get flagged

2

Undo the Snowman

@animuson It's easier than that: delete the people so they stop messing around with it.

3

jmac

I really want to compile all the info about secret hats in to a single meta post since they are spread around, but at the same time I don't want to spoil the fun of the secret hats.

3ventic

00:37

Spreading them out keeps them a secret for longer

ElfSlice

See, getting stars is easy

RyanCarlson

@jmac I considered that

But decided not to

@ElfSlice I disagree

My only starred message: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/89?m=1694182#1694182

ElfSlice

@RyanCarlson ... Only one?

You have not lived if you only have one starred message.

RyanCarlson

Yes...

ElfSlice

You need to get out there and live your life

No tears, only stars now

RyanCarlson

00:42

I know

3ventic

You need to post more sloths on The Bridge. That should get you stars.

RyanCarlson

Wait, out where?

3ventic

Out in the cold.

RyanCarlson

But...cold... It's cold

3ventic

Take your fancy new hat with you

It will keep you warm

RyanCarlson

00:43

??

ElfSlice

Life is meaningless without chat stars.

RyanCarlson

@3ventic My Winter Is Coming hat?

3ventic

Yes

ElfSlice

Winter is most definitely already here.

3ventic

Same

RyanCarlson

00:45

@ElfSlice Are you sure about that?

ElfSlice

@RyanCarlson looks out window Yes.

RyanCarlson

There's only about a foot of snow on the ground

3ventic

There's barely any snow on the ground

but there's ice everywhere

Undo the Snowman

Ice is fun.

You can slip and fall and break important bones on ice.

RyanCarlson

Winter: "A period of time characterized by coldness, misery, barrenness, or death."

It's definitely winter.

My 82:1 message to star ratio is very miserable

jmac

00:49

How do you figure out the ratio?

animuson

@RyanCarlson I can go through and clear some of those stars for you...

RyanCarlson

@jmac Magic

@animuson ... :(

hichris123

@Undo What's a good name for my meta post?

animuson

"Please delete this as soon as possible"?

RyanCarlson

"This is spam"?

hichris123

00:54

@animuson I'm not trying to get it deleted.

I want it reopened.

ElfSlice

@hichris123 "Meta is for nerds"

RyanCarlson

"plz re opin teh spam rivew aria 51 prpozal"?

hichris123

@Ryan I like your second one.

I just think it might get billions of low-quality flags on it.

RyanCarlson

"I liek taco's"?

jmac

@RyanCarlson Are you just really good at counting or something?

RyanCarlson

00:58

me iz rily gud at countin

1

4

8

3

2

jmac

@3ventic Yes, spreading them out does keep them secret longer, but people who want to know them will dig them up anyway, and they are being spoiled. So I'm torn. I tried to edit out the secrets, but everyone just tosses them in spoiler tags now.

ElfSlice

more spam plz

RyanCarlson

17

jmac

"Base 8 is just like base 10 really, if you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer, New Math

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 Here is the perfect post to reopen spam review:

Title: plz re opin teh spam rivew aria 51 prpozal

jmac

01:02

(the song is about subtracting 173 from 342, first in decimal, and then in octal)

RyanCarlson

Body: plz re opin teh spam rivew aria 51 prpozal!!!!!!111oneone it iz a rily gud propzal so u shud roepen it plzplzplz dont deleet tis post kthx

Tags: [spam] [bug]

jmac

"You can't take 3 from 2, 2 is less than 3, so you look at the 4 in the tens place. Now that's really 4 tens, so you make it 3 tens, and you change the ten to ten ones and add it to the 2 and take away 3 that's 9. Now go back to the tens place you've got 3 'cause you've added one, that is to say ten to the one, but you can't take 7 from three so you look at the hundreds place..."

RyanCarlson

@jmac Just watched that. So hilarious

jmac

@RyanCarlson Glad you liked it. Many a childhood car ride was spent listening to those albums... The above was all written from memory...

RyanCarlson

...

wow

jmac

01:08

I could have done the rest, but the comment box wouldn't let me

RyanCarlson

Yeah

I don't like these restrictions

You can't post two identical messages in a row, you can't have more that a few hundred chars per message, you can't post more than one message every few seconds, etc.

Makes it so hard to spam

XD

hichris123

@RyanCarlson How's this:

RyanCarlson

terrible

hichris123

> plz re opin teh spam rivew aria 51 prpozal!!!!!!111oneone it iz a rily
> gud propzal so u shud roepen it plz i neeeeeed this for me work!!!
> i was acually ging tu use this tu imprve my spam but since u clsed it i cant. :(
> teh number of spam postz tat have ben removed from my acount is tons!!!!! i want to be a goodz spammezr but cant witout this plz reopen it!! plzplzplzplzplzplzplz?

Undo the Snowman

Nice knowing you

hichris123

01:14

It's a blockquote in the body.

Not the whole text

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 To reiterate: terrible

Which is a good thing

Because oxymorons FTW

@UndotheSnowman What do you mean?

jmac

Who wants to make my day?

RyanCarlson

fred

jmac

Because 2 votes on this would do it:

38

A: When should I make edits to code?

Reviewing Code Edits When in doubt, click 'Skip'. "Learn to love that Skip button." Editing Code in Questions Code in questions should only be edited for formatting and readability. Editing the syntax or correcting typos in code in questions can fix the problem that the person asking the quest...

hichris123

@Ryan Undo was talking to me, I think.

OGHaza

01:15

Oo unicorn hat just popped, no idea how. jmac what do you get at 40?

RyanCarlson

Ah

jmac

Guru badge and a head of Horrible Coding Hair

(I think)

RyanCarlson

@jmac But that's a CW post

jmac

You still get badges on CW posts (or at least I have in the past)

3ventic

40

hichris123

01:16

I wanted to get your opinion on my post, but I got this

Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter. This happens when links or certain keywords are detected in a paste. It can also happen if you are creating a lot of items in a short period of time. To confirm you are not a bot, please fill out the captcha below

That means my post is good, right?

jmac

Yeehaw, 41.

RyanCarlson

right

jmac

I have the Nice Answer for that post

so Guru should be doable too

unless the accepted answer doesn't work properly as it's my own question.

OGHaza

I suspect that's the case

hichris123

Anyone want to look at my post and give me suggestions?

pastebin.com/vNLs3VtT

animuson

01:18

@jmac Self-accepts do not count for the Guru badge.

hichris123

I need to add a conclusion/summary at the end.

jmac

Curses.

3ventic

Needs mod abuse to change the question author

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 Looks good

jmac

So here are the 10 secret hats Shog gave hints about. Which hats are which?:
? 1. ...then I took an arrow to the knee.
Unicorn Hat 2. Earned ten of the most meaningless points on the 'Net
Ghost of Winterbash Past? 3. I live... AGAIN!
? 4. He ain't no drag
Chuck Yeager 5. from JBM to JWH
? 6. Humpty Dumpty, or perfect in every way?
IG-88? 7. There are only so many people capable of putting together words that stir and move and sing.
Hipster? 8. You look like an absolute idiot.
? 9. You may have to go to Puerto Vallarta, break the law and then fight extradition to get over this one.

RyanCarlson

01:21

@jmac I don't know any more than that

jmac

Ah, I'm not listening should be on there...

With Great Power as well

RyanCarlson

Is it just me, or is the "Reanimated" hat unfair?

It's impossible to get it without 3k rep

But once you have 3k rep, it's really easy to get

3ventic

The mod hat is even more unfair

@RyanCarlson Oh how wrong you are

animuson

Robocop is also impossible to get without 3k rep.

3ventic

I have robocop but not reanimated :|

RyanCarlson

01:29

@animuson I noticed that, but it's still fairly hard to get even with 3k rep

hichris123

@animuson Are you going to burn my post with fire about reopening Spam Review?

3ventic

Easier than reanimated it seems

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 Probably

OGHaza

you just have to hope the questions that show up in the queue are worth reopening

RyanCarlson

You should wait a few hours before posting it

Undo the Snowman

01:30

Can someone here ping me?

hichris123

Hmm...

@Undo

OGHaza

@UndotheSnowman

3ventic

@UndotheSnowman ping

hichris123

@RyanCarlson Animuson goes to bed at 3AM my time.

So...

Undo the Snowman

Thanks

hichris123

01:32

@Undo Why'd you want the ping?

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 To test some stuff

hichris123

Oh, thanks for being very specific.

Anyway, @Undo here's my 1st revision of my meta post: pastebin.com/piJAVa9D

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 Is there something wrong with getting up at 3AM to post what is essentially spam and will probably get closed really soon anyways?

Undo the Snowman

I'm thinking of making a userscript to display chat replies on the main site, instantly.

hichris123

@Ryan Yes.

RyanCarlson

01:33

Really?

Why?

hichris123

Umm... it's 3AM

RyanCarlson

^sarcasm^

hichris123

That displays good.

Pointing to my mesage.

RyanCarlson

XD
XD

3ventic

It's 3:34 and it's not even weekend yet..

I really shouldn't be up anymore

hichris123

01:35

@3ventic 8:35 PM my time.

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 Same here

OGHaza

1:36 here, day off tomorrow though so all is sound

BrunoLM

If you agree that this could be reopened please vote stackoverflow.com/q/20690739/340760 thanks

hichris123

Anyone else have any opinions on my post? pastebin.com/piJAVa9D

Undo the Snowman

I bet @animuson has some!

RyanCarlson

01:37

It's really good

animuson

I have fire, not opinions.

4

3ventic

Fire is an opinion.

Undo the Snowman

@animuson what if I went and stole the gods' fire?

3ventic

What if the hell froze over?

hichris123

@animuson What does this fire say, oh great one? How does it fortell the coming events?

RyanCarlson

01:39

@3ventic So you live in Finland or east Europe?

3ventic

Finland

hichris123

Hmm... to post or not to post. That is the question.

3ventic

The question is what you're about to post.

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 And the answer is...

Tim Stone

Psst, @animuson. plz to be status-completing.

Undo the Snowman

01:40

We need to get @TimStone a diamond.

Tim Stone

Well, I have one, just...not here.

Undo the Snowman

He's kinda on the team, right?

3ventic

Close enough

Undo the Snowman

Employees have the right to carry diamonds. You're kinda an employee. Therefore, we should crown you on Meta.

Tim Stone

I wanted a half-diamond but somehow that never played out.

RyanCarlson

01:41

@UndotheSnowman Here, you can give him this: hydra-media.cursecdn.com/minecraft.gamepedia.com/9/90/…

Tim Stone

Thanks @animuson!

3ventic

People should just start adding ♦ to their display names

Undo the Snowman

@3ventic Doesn't work

3ventic

Awww

Undo the Snowman

I need another ping or two

hichris123

01:45

@3ventic Reopening Spam Review.

OGHaza

@UndotheSnowman

hichris123

@Undo

3ventic

@UndotheSnowman Have three

hichris123

@RyanCarlson What do you think?

RyanCarlson

About what?

hichris123

01:46

Should I post it?

jmac

◆

RyanCarlson

Yes

jmac

I wonder if you can add that to your display name?

different from their diamond.

hichris123

@Undo I need a creative title.

OGHaza

@jmac, "Display Name can only contain letters, digits, spaces, apostrophes or hyphens and must start with a letter or digit"

RyanCarlson

01:47

gtg

hichris123

Bye.

RyanCarlson

Ping me with the link when you post it

jmac

@OGHaza So I could name myself jmac diamond -- I'm sure nobody would notice the difference. Right?

RyanCarlson

Bye!

3ventic

I think it's that time of night when the ISP does all their maintenance..

My internet connection is cutting off once in a while

OGHaza

01:48

@jmac seems legit

3ventic

I think it's that time of night when the ISP does all their maintenance..

hichris123

@3ventic I think you're right.

Double post.

3ventic

I see it too

they're not even in the same block

That looks weird

hichris123

That doesn't show up for me.

OGHaza

need to switch up your ISP, fine here ;)

hichris123

01:51

3ventic

it's up 100% of day time so I can't really complain if they cut off for a few seconds at night

Doorknob of Snow

^ I see that too

Doorknob of Snow

new block!

3ventic

Need blocks

Undo the Snowman

Grrrr

CORS

> XMLHttpRequest cannot load chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/?_=1387504520513. No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'http://meta.stackoverflow.com' is therefore not allowed access.

OGHaza

01:56

:-(

better put in a request for ''Access-Control-Allow-Origin' headers on SO

Undo the Snowman

@OGHaza Let's do it.

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