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mootinator

6:14 PM

The source seems to be down, lol.

I don't know what to call that these days. The currently popular site effect?

jcolebrand

is the source a site then?

is that like "the hip-hop site the source"?

mootinator

@jcolebrand Seems to be from bonkersworld.net

Heh, I'd never heard of this before:

bonkersworld.net.nyud.net

From:

Slashdot effect

The Slashdot effect, also known as slashdotting, occurs when a popular website links to a smaller site, causing a massive increase in traffic. This overloads the smaller site, causing it to slow down or even temporarily close. The name stems from the huge influx of web traffic that results from the technology news site Slashdot linking to websites. The effect has been associated with other websites or metablogs such as Fark, Drudge Report, Reddit, Twitter and Digg, leading to terms such as being Farked or Drudged and the Reddit effect. Typically, less robust sites are unable to cope with...

jcolebrand

you'ld never heard of the /. effect?

Granted, it lost some popularity after about 2005 but still

Fosco

He was pondering if it was called something else now, methinks.

mootinator

@jcolebrand No, I'd never heard of the Coral P2P web cache.

jcolebrand

6:27 PM

oooooh

yeah, I still don't quite understand how that works ... I understand the premise of it just fine

amazon.com/gp/product/B000SSV8AA

amazon.com/gp/product/B0033FGDRS

Fosco

lol... 2 awesome products

jcolebrand

yeah, I got on thisiswhyimbroke.com or somesuch site

I don't understand this one tho.

amazon.com/gp/product/B0048YB5B2

how is it only $2 + $5 in shipping if it should be $25 + $5

mootinator

I must have missed when they made this a real product:

amazon.com/ThinkGeek-My-First-Bacon/dp/B004BUWXD2/…

jcolebrand

Does that mean I need to hurry up and buy it for $7?

mootinator

@jcolebrand It's a TARP

jcolebrand

6:35 PM

was that a misspelling or something I don't know about?

mootinator

old meme

jcolebrand

kk

so I should order one and save $20 right? Since I want one

I think this is a good plan

mootinator

@jcolebrand That sounds reasonable.

Goal this afternoon: work.

jcolebrand

@mootinator unlikely.

First up: food

mootinator

4 day weeks always ruin my work ethic somehow.

Fosco

6:40 PM

Goal this afternoon: appear busy for 2 more hours... hope boss throws more work my way.

Popular Demand

The total scores of questions and answers, the number of times questions have been favorited and the number of upvotes on comments are all displayed prominently by their associated content and voting/favoriting icons. Why is it that post scores and favorite counts are always displayed in the same color, but comment scores change color depending on magnitude?

(A question I had after seeing Could the star on favorited questions change in color?)

mootinator

@Fosco I'm betting there's someone in my office in town thinking: Goal this afternoon: play minecraft until @mootinator tells me what to do. I should get on that as well.

Fosco

@mootinator lol..

mootinator

It's just hard to figure out what to do when the PM is in a meeting after which our priorities will probably look entirely different.

jcolebrand

@PopularDemand probably an artifact left during exploratory coding that was "for fun" that never got removed. You should totally file that as a bug

Popular Demand

6:48 PM

@jcolebrand Yeah, I'll... get right on that.

balpha

@balpha we need a new meme in chat ... Annoyed Utility Guy (for that matter we need the ability to make use of memitics) http://t.co/EKa9EFJ

Tweeted by jcolebrand on June 29, 2011 at 5:19 PM

what the hell are "memitics"?

Fosco

@jcolebrand please smile for the camera next time! :)

mootinator

@balpha Maybe they're like memetics

Fosco

@mootinator yeah, only more self absorbed

Shog9

@balpha It's a typo. He meant to write, "memeticis", a serious illness sure to destroy us all.

mootinator

7:02 PM

Or memitis, a swelling of the.... mem?

Shog9

@mootinator I'm not sure how we would make use of that though. Not even for evil.

mootinator

Force children to get memectomies.

Popular Demand

@balpha You know how you can order M&Ms with custom messages on them? Well, now you can also order Tic-Tacs with your favorite memes printed on them. Memetics.

Fosco

Where's crickets when you need him? :p

badp's sockpuppet

@Shog9 If you will, the cancer that is killing /b/

Rebecca Chernoff

7:04 PM

@PopularDemand |:

badp's sockpuppet

(I couldn't come up with a better meme.)

Shog9

still digging through boxes looking for the missing crickets

mootinator

Memetics -> When you're having a perfectly normal conversation and compulsively have a conversation within that conversation because you heard someone liked talking.

balpha

Fosco

wtf...

balpha

7:12 PM

8 mins ago, by Popular Demand

@balpha You know how you can order M&Ms with custom messages on them? Well, now you can also order Tic-Tacs with your favorite memes printed on them. Memetics.

Fosco

oh, right :)

mootinator

Hogan

@Fosco I believe it is now called "going viral" @Fosco, @mootinator, @jcolebrand

Fosco

@Hogan going viral can be the cause, but the effect is downtime.

Hogan

@Fosco - not always, if you got a nice fluffy cloud to fall on.

mootinator

7:24 PM

To the cloud!

"We should host our intranet on Azure, in case it gets slashdotted."

Fosco

hits @mootinator upside the head.

mootinator

=)

Hogan

@mootinator with failover to aws in case azure crashes

mootinator

@Hogan Naturally

Rebecca Chernoff

8:33 PM

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Just did another email test, ~20 hours, and it didn't group.

Hmm, crap, I'd already yarchived the old mail, wonder if that matters?

jcolebrand

9:04 PM

@RebeccaChernoff not in my history of "stacking emails" it doesn't.

@Fosco perhaps

@balpha if you would hurry up and invent that brain attachment device you would just know

Rebecca Chernoff

I've had emails sent over 21 hours apart that got grouped though.

|:

jcolebrand

@RebeccaChernoff exactly

Rebecca Chernoff

I guess they changed a rule, can't really search to see when things changed

but I still don't feel like this si right |:

jcolebrand

I don't either, but I bet it's an inhouse rule that doesn't apply to anyone else. If and when you find out, you should totally let us know

Do you think Matt Cutts could get to the bottom of it for you?

You should have Jeff or Joel reach out to someone at google

Rebecca Chernoff

eh, not really sure it's the type of thing to call in connections for

balpha

9:07 PM

@jcolebrand I have, but it uses a proprietary binary protocol that's a combination of XML, GZIP, and SCRAPMETAL, and Twitter won't accept that :\

jcolebrand

@RebeccaChernoff well it's a "bug" in that it doesn't do what's expected. Where's the meta.gmail?

@balpha damn that XML. I'm sure twitter would love to use scrapmetal

balpha

►

jcolebrand

If only you could convert it to use json instead ... think of the savings!

Pekka's serious account

Imagine you entered your job application info with the recruitment system of University of California, San Francisco a few weeks ago. It was an agonizing, half hour-long process of entering career info (that you have already painstakingly worked into a PDF CV) into a proprietary system.

Do you think there is a way of re-using this information when applying for a job with University of California, Santa Cruz?

A) No

B) Hell no

jcolebrand

C) Of course not you fool, what the hell were you thinking?

Also, "painstakingly worked into a PDF CV" ... you should have a source file for those

Pekka's serious account

9:20 PM

@jcolebrand yeah, but the recruiting system requires me to create a new record for each item on the CV

jcolebrand

Yeah, which should be copy-pastable from the CV more or less

This is one reason I hate applying for jobs

Pekka's serious account

@jcolebrand I bet security must be really tight at conventions of people building recruiting systems

jcolebrand

lmao

Pekka's serious account

Also, soon half of California will know my mother's maiden name. That's how many accounts I've created that beautiful state's recruiting systems.

However, she carries her maiden name in her last name, so she shouldn't be too angry.

On the other hand, those are really cool jobs, so I'm not only complaining.

jcolebrand

stackoverflow.com/questions/2804598/… <-- will someone else see if this error matches the problem and I'm too close to the problem for it to be useful to me?

George Marian

9:34 PM

I would assume that just provides a commandline option. Though, your comment about the March version of the tool is a bit snarky. :)

jcolebrand

It's true tho

George Marian

Heh, the world doesn't revolve around you. :P

jcolebrand

He's commenting on something that I already marked accepted from a blog from last year

George Marian

If it does work for the issue, it may be useful for someone else in the future.

jcolebrand

@GeorgeMarian the hell it doesn't ... don't lie, I know you guys get dizzy when I spin around real fast ... that's why I don't do it often

George Marian

9:36 PM

LOL

jcolebrand

@GeorgeMarian that's just it, I don't think it was about the issue ... I may be too close to the problem tho

George Marian

I'm not familiar with the tools, so I have no idea. However, from what I know about Microsoft, it's likely just a commandline option that would have the same issue.

jcolebrand

idk, I feel like the question was well solved, I don't know how he is hoping to add new detail to the question that I didn't already have. I'm just confused there.

I think I washed a stack of my business cards in the back pocket of my pants last night. I don't remember taking them out

George Marian

d'oh

jcolebrand

meh, I've only gone through like 80 of 500

George Marian

9:39 PM

I could use some business cards, but I would need to get out of the house more to spread them around. :)

jcolebrand

10:02 PM

Controllers decode URLs. They dont orchestrate business processes. They should not contain _any_ business logic.

Tweeted by unclebobmartin on June 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM

I thought routers decoded urls

I thought controllers were for business logic

models were for retrieving/saving data to a persistence mechanism and defining their structure

and views were for presentation of data

what did I miss?

George Marian

Someone falling on their head?

jcolebrand

@GeorgeMarian whose? Mine or his?

George Marian

His. Where in the world is the business logic going to reside? Some of it may belong in the model, other than that you only have the views.

That said, a router is a controller.

jcolebrand

So I just went back and re-read the wikipedia MVC article

I think I'm doing my MVC completely ass-backwards

but it works, and does what I want so ...

George Marian

heh

badp's sockpuppet

10:16 PM

@GeorgeMarian The business logic is going to reside outside my lawn.

George Marian

lol

Tim Stone

I guess if you limit the scope of "business logic" to model retrieval and validation, it's possible for it all to be contained within the model. But the controller has to be able to connect all of those pieces, they can't magically know to do it themselves.

jcolebrand

according to wikipedia the controller either tells the model to store something or it tells the view to render, and then the view is supposed to ask the model for data (assuming the design paradigm where the model knows how to get stuff from persistence)

George Marian

A fair point. I was thinking of the typical web MVC, where the views are as dumb as bricks.

That said, just selecting the appropriate views can involve business logic.

jcolebrand

I think the view should be dumb as bricks myself

also, this is pure genius: thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/miscellaneous/e9b4

George Marian

10:24 PM

Brilliant!

Tim Stone

10:51 PM

@jcolebrand Yeah, the Wikipedia article on MVC is quite terrible. There's something to be said about having the View pull Model data directly, but for web applications in particular it puts a weird burden on either the View or Model when it comes to things like performance-related logic (e.g. caching). Most "MVC" frameworks seem to want to delegate that responsibility to the controller, and based on related questions on SO, many people seem to agree.

jcolebrand

@TimStone so my having the controller "fetch" the data and then "push" it to the view isn't a bad way to build my app, yes?

I don't mind reversing that, but I want the view to be pretty dumb and just display the stuff it's given, like a template, so to speak

I only today realized I could do it that way

Tim Stone

Granted, ASP.NET et al are not Smalltalk (which seems to have influenced either correctly or incorrectly a lot of that Wikipedia article), so whether we're all doing it "wrong" is largely up to interpretation I guess. I figure as long as we aren't creating PHP pages with everything in the same file we're not doing too badly.

jcolebrand

ha! I hear that

that's what I feel I would be doing if I did it where the View was fetching the data

then I wouldn't really need a controller either, I could go from router (which is arguably a controller) into the view, and then the model ...

Tim Stone

Well, it's how I'd do it. Whether or not that makes it right, I don't know.

jcolebrand

Ok, I don't feel too bad then ;)

Tim Stone

10:54 PM

    public static void validationIssue(@Required @Min(1) Integer id,
            @Required String name, @Required String code) {
        ValidationLog log = getLog(id);
        ValidationIssue issue = ValidationIssue.getIssue(log, name, code);

        render(issue);
    }

jcolebrand

mocpages.com/moc.php/276793 <-- holy ... effing ... shit

@TimStone more or less mine. Except I have decorators to say the values are required before the method

Tim Stone

Yeah, limitations of Java and everything. :p

jcolebrand

I love that it types everything for me as it's coming in, I'm curious how long that will last before my coworkers figure out a way to break all that for me

I'm tempted to just make them stop writing code and instead do all the planning and bring me HTML templates with mocked data and I'll do the rest ;)

Tim Stone

Hahah

jcolebrand

I'm very tempted to hand a specific person a clay tablet and a stylus in replacement of their laptop. #AngrySysAdmin

Tweeted by Nonapeptide on June 29, 2011 at 10:50 PM

jcolebrand

11:25 PM

imgur.com/1OI5c imagine that

jcolebrand

11:41 PM

@TimStone do you have any thoughts on this? stackoverflow.com/questions/6526241/…

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