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1:11 PM

@NickCraver couldn't we get essentially the same info from the API?

"answers": [
  {
   "answer_id": 5358752,
   "accepted": false,
   "answer_comments_url": "/answers/5358752/comments",
   "question_id": 5358710,
   "owner": {
    "user_id": 571593,
    "user_type": "registered",
    "display_name": "Myles Gray",
    "reputation": 3336,
    "email_hash": "4f19a8568907d4b8d12f00c250f2a4b6"
   },
   "creation_date": 1300490444,
   "last_activity_date": 1300490444,
   "up_vote_count": 1,
   "down_vote_count": 0,
   "view_count": 22,
   "score": 1,
   "community_owned": false,

then just total up the accepted vs upvotes

one quick question, for Unsung Hero, does the accepted answer have to have a TOTAL score of zero or just no votes at all

balpha

@badpssockpuppet playing the demo right now. pretty fun

Nick Craver

1:35 PM

@MylesGray Not sure what that's in reference to...I was talking about the SEDE data update :)

ircmaxell

@MylesGray I always thought it was no upvotes (meaning 0 +1's)

Myles Gray

@NickCraver Yes but all the SEDE data can be emulated (with much more relevant current data) from the API

I am working on something at the moment to try and provide the most common queries on SEDE through the API to get up to the minute data

@ircmaxell I'm not so sure I thought it may be a total answer score of 0?

Nick Craver

@MylesGray not as easily, for example most aggregate things

the SEDE/data dump serves a different purpose really

ircmaxell

It could be, not sure

Myles Gray

@NickCraver yes very true, but for common things like "How Unsung and I?" "Jon Skeet Comparison" etc are all very doable

but as you say, large scale interpretations are a lot harder

Nick Craver

1:39 PM

yeah just depends what you're after

Myles Gray

My grand plan is to make a Badge progress bar/meter type thing

So I dont think aggregates really have much to do with that

@ircmaxell Ill post it on meta, Jeff will know :P

ircmaxell

lol

Nick Craver

it's a total score of 0 btw

;)

Myles Gray

@NickCraver thank you sir :)

ircmaxell

Ah ok

Myles Gray

1:41 PM

good so im 3 downvotes off unsung :D

Rebecca Chernoff

@MylesGray some of the badges you cannot do that for...the idea isn't to be able to map all of this stuff.

morning folks

Myles Gray

@RebeccaChernoff Not to be able to map all the badges progress?

Rebecca Chernoff

sure

Myles Gray

or all the odata stuff?

Rebecca Chernoff

even using odata you won't be able to check progress for all badges.

Myles Gray

1:43 PM

Oh okay, well... it would be nice for me at least if no one else wants it, I just like to know my standing

ircmaxell

I'm not going to get unsung

Myles Gray

But the vast majority are easy to check for

Rebecca Chernoff

Y'all signed up for a MeetUp? (: meetup.com/stackoverflow

ircmaxell

boo, I miss both the London and the NYC meetups

(leave london on the day it's happening, and get back after it happens in NYC)

giddy

haha! Two badges in a row today! Deputy and Strunk & White (I had to tell somebody -_- ...

ircmaxell

1:45 PM

nice

giddy

@MylesGray yea thats just what I was thinking, progress bars for badges...

Nick Craver

@MylesGray I disagree with that, there's a lot of data not exposed, so many badges simple aren't calculable

plus, some are a sliding progress, e.g. total votes & % of total type combos

giddy

@NickCraver yea but the ones that are could have a bar.. and only a few of them are..

Rebecca Chernoff

It's more than "just a few" that you won't be able to check.

giddy

maybe simple ones like Strunk & White or Civic duty.. .can be first.. especially since they are attainable with a little work and it would encourage people..

Nick Craver

1:47 PM

yeah, i'm not saying don't do it, absolutely go nuts...but many you won't be able to do, just go down the list :)

giddy

:) The last month I've just been wondering how close I was to strunk and white.

Myles Gray

@NickCraver It isnt hard to work out total votes, percentages for type combos yes but most of it with a little creativity i think is

giddy

Looks like I made about 75+ edits just this month =P

Nick Craver

@myles - i don't believe we expose what the vote is on, so yes it is difficult (read:impossible) to get most vote statuses

e.g. % of votes on questions vs answers

Rebecca Chernoff

creativity isn't going to help you when the data isn't available.

but it seems you're just going to have to try before you understand (;

Nick Craver

1:49 PM

let's take an example, how would you do electorate?

giddy

@RebeccaChernoff =P

Myles Gray

Oh for electorate and things yes

@NickCraver Yeah I was just looking at that one

giddy

oh yea. true didn't realize. .there is no way to track that from the API no?

Nick Craver

nope, we don't expose vote data....hopefully for obvious reasons :)

Myles Gray

@giddy No they dont expose it to stop people going "hey look I +'d you give me rep"

the same for negs

giddy

1:51 PM

@MylesGray true.

Nick Craver

more-so for negatives I'd think

ircmaxell

yeah

Nick Craver

but yeah bad idea to expose it all around

ircmaxell

exposing negs could be quite bad

giddy

@NickCraver I was suggesting something on the lines of... it being an SE engine feature. I mean, you go to the badges page and see progress bars on appropriate badges.

Myles Gray

1:52 PM

Yeah that would be a problem, it would be nice to have a "total question upvotes" and "total answer upvotes" in the user info

that way the questions are still anon

would that not be okay?

Nick Craver

@giddy - propose it on meta! that would be quite an expensive feature though, i wouldn't expect it soon :)

Myles Gray

@giddy I did that before

It got closed as exact duplicate

Rebecca Chernoff

@giddy, it has been [status-declined] several times.

giddy

@MylesGray oh?

Myles Gray

6

Q: Progress percentage for Badges

Possible Duplicates: Allow users to see badge progress Show the progress left on badge achievement unlockings I think for the more long term Badges there should be some kind of progress bar beside it to show how close/far away you are from receiving it. Much like this: http://hwbot...

giddy

1:53 PM

oh lol! =P

Rebecca Chernoff

Like I said, that isn't the point of the badges.

Nick Craver

ah there you have it, @Rebecca knows her meta =P

giddy

@MylesGray oh man that is one picture! =P

Myles Gray

@NickCraver would it be acceptable to have a "total votes on questions" and "total votes on answers" in the API?

giddy

Its interesting though how badges hypnotize you into doing work! =S

Myles Gray

1:54 PM

there is no personal voting statistics/data that way

Nick Craver

possibly, again that's an API question, for StackApps.com (that's kevin's area mostly)

I can't think of any bad exposure there

Rebecca Chernoff

What part of "these aren't meant to be fully tracked, they're supposed to be mysterious" is hard to understand? (;

Myles Gray

@RebeccaChernoff spoil sport ;)

Its a fun little project for myself

giddy

@NickCraver @RebeccaChernoff oh one quick off question. Is (or will) SO get some kinda facelift?

Rebecca Chernoff

18

A: Electorate, Pundit, etc badge progress

Some of the badges are supposed to be surprises, not World of Warcraft style level grinds based on numbers. I worry that if we provide too many metrics: it becomes noise, like a bunch of inscrutable F-16 cockpit gauges -- how are all these numbers useful except for these specific badges? the b...

giddy

1:55 PM

I assumed the new colors were part of a whole facelift process...

Rebecca Chernoff

some of the badges are supposed to be surprises

Myles Gray

@giddy I beleive @Jin has more in the can for it

Rebecca Chernoff

If you won't believe me, believe Jeff. q:

Nick Craver

without going into detail, badges really, really aren't designed for this from an architecture standpoint currently - so this would be a huge change just to support the UI

Myles Gray

@RebeccaChernoff the best xbox360 games (orangebox) have achievement progress :)

Nick Craver

1:56 PM

@giddy eventually, though Jin's busy non-stop with SE sites (and us adding a popup and making him style 80 sites on a whim...)

giddy

in a way that is true. New badges should be a nice surprise! =)

Myles Gray

@NickCraver once you have the right tools CSS editing isnt too bad :)

Nick Craver

@MylesGray that's actually a requirement to be "certified" or whatever it is

giddy

@NickCraver 80????

Myles Gray

@giddy hes counting betas

Nick Craver

1:57 PM

@MylesGray it is when there's this many sites....any who said we used raw CSS? :)

Rebecca Chernoff

80 is low-balling it by a bit.

Nick Craver

80 that need styling typically, there are sites, beta sites and metas

i think we're at ~100 now?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Around 90, though right now more than half of those have the same style

Myles Gray

@NickCraver oh I see, you use an MVC backend? And use some kind of nice content based CSS injection?

giddy

@NickCraver hm! true. true. But just.. so looks so so dull compared to some sites...

Rebecca Chernoff

1:58 PM

93.

Nick Craver

there's also minimal stylesheets and such that need love when we add new things as well

Yi Jiang

Well, the two same style. Meta and original sketchy

Nick Craver

@MylesGray LESS

Myles Gray

Ah I see, okay nice, that makes life easier :)

giddy

Apple and Programmers look so awesome! Especially the badges on Programmers! wow!

Cooking and English too.. REALLY well designed

Nick Craver

2:00 PM

@MylesGray we use a not-completely-standard version of dotLess, customized to support a build process much better, you can find our version here: github.com/NickCraver/dotless

giddy

just check homeimprovement.se another awesome design! =P

Myles Gray

@NickCraver very cool, I'll take a look at it, the workings of such a large website are extremely interesting

Nick Craver

indeed they are, kinda hoping we do a blog post on the past week's behind-the-scenes, not sure what's in the pipe though

unfortunately explaining most things takes a ton of context and it's not worth it

Myles Gray

Yeah I know the feeling, None the less very interesting and not something I often get to see

Dad sees me this morning and sends me an email at half time from the rugby match saying happy birthday... he totally forgot :P

Rebecca Chernoff

SE needs some Russians!

Myles Gray

2:12 PM

@RebeccaChernoff bad idea

Rebecca Chernoff

Myles Gray

Theres no meet up in Ireland :(

Rebecca Chernoff

that's a load of lies!

meetup.com/stackoverflow/Dublin-IE

Myles Gray

Oh I missed that one

Yi Jiang

Hmmm, should I join...

Nick Craver

2:14 PM

@RebeccaChernoff - what if we're afraid of sunlight?

Myles Gray

@NickCraver What's "sunlight"?

Yi Jiang

@MylesGray That 'orrible 'orrible yellow stuff that's suppose to give you cancer

Rebecca Chernoff

@NickCraver Sunset for you will be 7:46 pm, show up fashionably late and you'll be safe! (:

and yes, you should definitely join ^__^

Myles Gray

@YiJiang Hmm.. I'm ginger so sounds like I'd just burst into flames

Yi Jiang

Well, somebody's already joined in and selected a pub as the location

Which is unfortunately, because that means I won't be able to join (legally speaking)

Rebecca Chernoff

2:19 PM

So add a comment.

Yi Jiang

Its also not cheap (but hey, what is?)

Rebecca Chernoff

Damn. The tourney pool worth the most money is my worst bracket after the first round.

Errr, second round, stupid expansion.

Myles Gray

Does anyone know if the HTML tag <base> has been deprecated?

Yi Jiang

@MylesGray Its not, but I don't think it should be used

YOU

26

I just found out about the <base> HTML tag. I have never seen it actually used anywhere before. Are there pitfalls to its use that means I should avoid it? The fact that I have never noticed it in use on a modern production site (or any site) makes me leery of it, though it seems like it...

html base-tag

Yi Jiang

2:24 PM

I would leave it up to the CMS or whatever server-side technology to keep the URLs consistent

Myles Gray

Okay cool

@YOU thanks :)

Yi Jiang

dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/Stack%20Overflow/Reputation%20Graph/…

What do you think? @balpha's is also pretty good, now that his graph's got the zooming in bit done

YOU

I like the graph at stackexchange.com , but your zoom in, zoom out good too @YiJiang

stackexchange.com/users/…

Yi Jiang

Hey, cool, I'd never noticed that

YOU

I just knew that today too :)

Rebecca Chernoff

2:33 PM

the one SE has zooming also

YOU

by mistakenly clicked it

Yi Jiang

They bought a commercial license for highcharts.js, hmmmm...

YOU

looks great

Myles Gray

@YOU those dev licenses are relatively cheap

Yi Jiang

> Single Developer License: 360 USD - Buy now

YOU

2:41 PM

I see, highchart's looks like quite customizable according to page source.

Yi Jiang

Well, given that I hack together that chart using a free SVG library (the same type of technology the highchart lib uses), that is rather expensive

Myles Gray

@YiJiang thats the one

not bad for unlimited usage

Yi Jiang

Of course, the code is nowhere near as good or customizable, but hmmm...

Why are they pricing it as 'per developer' though?

Why not, say, per site?

Myles Gray

@YiJiang More monies

@YiJiang I like per dev pricing as it means you can do unlimited sites with the same license

If it was per site then over time value for money goes down

giddy

Hey only me and one more so far for the mumbai meetup. Somehow I'm not surprised. =( Do join in if anyone is around in mumbai. : meetup.com/stackoverflow/Mumbai-IN

Yi Jiang

2:44 PM

@giddy @Reno is also from India I believe, but I'm not sure which part of India

Myles Gray

@YiJiang is that THEIR source?

Yi Jiang

@MylesGray For SE.com's chart, yes

They're loading jQuery 1.3.1 and Mootools at the same time

Myles Gray

yeah needs more libs

definately not enough

Yi Jiang

@MylesGray Highcharts supports Prototype too, lets stick that in as well

giddy

@YiJiang ah, don't think there are any active users from here(mumbai), I think the traffic from india might be largely temporary (1 question) users

Myles Gray

2:47 PM

@YiJiang and while were at it, YUI might not be supported but hey, its worth adding it "just incase"

Nick Craver

@YiJiang where are you seeing 1.3.1 or mootools?

Yi Jiang

@NickCraver Reputation tab on SE global profile

Nick Craver

i'm not seeing that?

Yi Jiang

Mootools looks like part of the template for Highcharts, but jQuery 1.3.1 is odd

Myles Gray

man... stackapps.com is dead 1 view in 45mins and the question below mine had 1 view in 3hours

Nick Craver

2:48 PM

I'm looking at: stackexchange.com/users/…

Myles Gray

@YiJiang Highcharts says it used raw JS?

Yi Jiang

@NickCraver You're right, force reloading it now shows a lot less scripts included

Might have been the cache then, hmmm

Nick Craver

methinks you have some user script =P

Yi Jiang

@NickCraver None of the userscripts affect the global profile, and none of them uses Mootools

Nick Craver

i could be wrong, but pretty sure Mootools isn't in the codebase anywhere - that could have changed recently

that was something else you were looking at

Yi Jiang

2:51 PM

@NickCraver Most likely, yes

Either the add on got mixed up or I did

Say, which 'About me' does the global profile use?

Nick Craver

ah that's the script load profile for here: highcharts.com

not sure what's pulled there

site with highest rep, if I had to guess

Rebecca Chernoff

either SO or oldest account iirc

find someone who doesn't have a SO account or created a SO account after (:

Yi Jiang

Is there any way you can choose, like chat does?

Myles Gray

I cant believe this... I have to open my working project in a new window from SO chat because I just get sucked towards the favicon with a (1) on it

Rebecca Chernoff

6

Q: Allow users to set the "base" profile that your stackexchange.com profile inherits from

My assumption is that the Stack Exchange Profile you get on stackexchange.com is based on either: Your Stack Overflow account, regardless of anything Your oldest account Unfortunately, it's hard to find users who both have a younger Stack Overflow account, and that it looks visibly different ...

feature-request profile-page stackexchange.com

Yi Jiang

2:55 PM

Oh, right. And I even upvoted that, hmmmm...

Rebecca Chernoff

Heh.

Nick Craver

it is indeed your oldest profile

badp's sockpuppet

Question. I flag an answer as spam/offensive, then Jeff deletes it. Is it a -10 to my weight still?

Yi Jiang

@badpssockpuppet No, it should be +. And it should be 10 for posts, 5 for comments I think, unless they changed it

badp's sockpuppet

I think it is

Nick Craver

3:05 PM

deleting via the control panel validates the flags, saying yes these were legit flags

badp's sockpuppet

@NickCraver So deleting via the 'delete' button on the post itself wouldn't clear the flag, leaving "dismiss" as the only flag-clearing option?

I ask because I can be on both sides of the equation :)

@YiJiang Thanks for the correction there

Nick Craver

deleting directly leaves the flags in the mod queue, they can be marked either invalid or valid from there

deleting from there is like clicking valid then delete, giving a + weight

deleting from the page then being marked valid in the queue after has the same net effect

badp's sockpuppet

hm, I thought offensive flags only had a "dismiss" link... I might be wrong.

Nick Craver

on comments only

badp's sockpuppet

Oh, yeah, I guess that makes a difference.

Thanks.

Nick Craver

3:10 PM

you can dismiss flags on a question/answer, but frankly that's a lot of clicks, i'm not sure anyone does that since the queue @marc made

Rebecca Chernoff

Ohhh crap - this reminds me I totally forgot to look at comment weight dismissal stuff for someone. >_<

Nick Craver

i don't have a total but there are a lot of flags on SO, so we try to be as efficient as possible there

I dealt with ~80 this morning and it barely made a dent :)

Rebecca Chernoff

Wait, you're saying the floating ui makes things harder?

Nick Craver

no no, the on-post mod menu

badp's sockpuppet

@NickCraver In a way I'm glad Gaming will never reach SO levels :D

Nick Craver

3:15 PM

used to be the only way

SO has a lot of issues other sites don't just by scale, some are simple some are hard...e.g. it's own database, the scale of google crawling, flags per day, hundreds of things like that

user search by name? cake on anything but SO

Rebecca Chernoff

@NickCraver oh. It seemed you were talking present tense.

Nick Craver

i rarely know what i'm talking about :)

Rebecca Chernoff

sigh

Myles Gray

hope this isnt too subjective for SO:

0

Q: Workflow for using TextMate/Coda with Transmit and Versions

I use TextMate to do my HTMl,PHP,JS/Other languages and CSSEdit to do my CSS. I want to integrate TextMate with Transmit better because at the moment I work like this: TextMate: Edit code Transmit: Look for folder and drag to online server Firefox: Refresh page Rinse, Repeat. It feels very clu...

html css workflow textmate coda

Tim Stone

3:39 PM

Huh, I've gotten a lot of vote activity on this question all of a sudden, I wonder why..

Yi Jiang

2

Q: About flagging "Why the downvote?" comments

Possible Duplicate: Is it now discouraged to ask for reasons for downvotes as a comment? I see many comments asking for downvoting explanation being flagged. I understand those comments could be interpreted in two different ways: Plain whining and/or complaining, usually due to f...

discussion down-votes flagging

Closed dupe

Tim Stone

Ahh

Makes sense, thanks.

Yi Jiang

4:15 PM

reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/g709n/…

The phrase 'more equal' doesn't appear anywhere in the actual article, so I'd say its more likely a typo than anything else

ircmaxell

4:46 PM

A(g64, g64)

badp's sockpuppet

@ircmaxell that stinks of macro abuse :P

ChrisF

5:03 PM

@YiJiang It's also a reference to Animal Farm by George Orwell

Yi Jiang

@ChrisF I know, its required reading in secondary school here

ChrisF

@YiJiang Good! My youngest is doing it as a play this year/

Do you get to read 1984 as well?

Yi Jiang

No, but I read it anyway

ChrisF

Good for you. I must re-read both - it's been too long.

badp's sockpuppet

5:33 PM

@ChrisF Me too.

So it seems that NATO is waging war on Lybia, or somesuch.

ChrisF

Yes - depressing really. I don't know what else they could do though

badp's sockpuppet

Also, Sarkozy speaks English nicely.

ChrisF

@badpssockpuppet That makes a change - French presidents usually make a point of not speaking English

badp's sockpuppet

I'm watching tv.repubblica.it/copertina/sarkozy-via-libera-all-attacco/… (might be blocked outside Italy, and has an annoying translation in French)

There's probably a better link but I cba to find one

George Marian

7:00 PM

Can anyone explain why there's no name displayed with this question? The user's name happens to be D.N. Is it due to the fact that there are only 2 letters in the name? Is this a known bug?

drachenstern

Yes, that's a known bug.

Or at least, I've seen it before many times, even on SO

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian The user wasn't registered when the question was migrated, I think, so the front page still shows the question as if it was an unregistered user.

Jacob

Hello guys

Tim Stone

It's been appropriately associated now, but I imagine there's nothing in that process that causes the front page view to be updated correctly. I think it used to show the user name regardless, but it doesn't anymore (and I think someone asked why that was, but I'm not sure if there was ever an answer)

'Ello @Jacob

George Marian

@TimStone Ah, yes. Now I see that it was migrated. /facepalm That said, that should update. Sheesh. :)

Jacob

7:04 PM

@TimStone How was your birthday?

Tim Stone

Uneventful, but otherwise good.

drachenstern

What's up Jac?

@TimStone those are usually the best kind

So why have I been at the office for 90 minutes and I haven't started working?

Jacob

@drachenstern I agree, uneventful ones are the best

George Marian

@TimStone No hangover, eh? ;)

Jacob

@drachenstern Office on a Saturday?

Tim Stone

7:05 PM

@GeorgeMarian Unfortunately not ;)

@drachenstern This is a good question :P

drachenstern

@Jacob :p it's called "work" ;)

George Marian

@TimStone That said, I drank less after turning 21. :D

Jacob

@drachenstern I know hehe... i work 24/7 on my "startup"...

Tim Stone

Yeah, I had a bit of a head start on that, so I've mellowed out a bit lately what with work sucking up most of my time and all. Although really, I could use a bit more drinking to manage that, heh.

Jacob

Oh cool I was accepted into BizSpark

George Marian

7:10 PM

@TimStone I find that a nice bottle of scotch works well in that situation. It's expensive enough that you will probably not guzzle it, yet you can find a decent bottle at reasonable prices.

Tim Stone

This is true. nods

drachenstern

This is very true. I need a nice bottle of scotch.

I have also found that red wine suits me more now that I'm post 30

I'm not sure how that works for other people, but I noticed that's how it worked out for me.

So, stories of alcohol: There's a rather nice club around the corner from the apartment. My sister in law is having her graduation party there in May. They do a deal where they rent a boothish thing, give a 12 person headcount, and you pay a flat rate. They also provide 4 bottles of alcohol, and you pay a difference on each bottle for the ones that go over a certain value.

So she's thinking 2 vodka and 2 tequila. I'm like ... um no.

Tim Stone

Hahah

drachenstern

Maybe one tequila, one vodka, one rum and one whiskey

except the girls all do like tequila, and there's that one line in that one song, so maybe it should be two tequila and one vodka and (one rum or one whiskey)

Or I might just pony up and buy a fifth bottle

So am I really weird or does tequila not suit anyone else here? I can normally drink anything, but you give me tequila and I'm all {hurl}

Tim Stone

Rum and tequila are generally a no-go for me.

drachenstern

7:22 PM

I can do rum, if it's mixed in something else. I can do vodka, at the end of the night.

But if I were to get whiskey or scotch, I would be the only one enjoying it, the rest would be all :blech:

Of course, this is the same group of people that think that nattylite is a good beer.

Or Bud Light

Tim Stone

lmao

drachenstern

theonion.com/articles/…

ChrisF

Just found out about the Physics site design being withdrawn

Tim Stone

Ah yes, they made quite a fuss..

drachenstern

Why was it withdrawn?

Too much internal strife?

Tim Stone

7:33 PM

The whole light on dark bit.

drachenstern

I have a theory. It's not a great theory, but I want some feedback:

We need a "sea-tag" to join "tag" and "meta-tag" except it's orthogonal to those two. It's a way to post "stack exchange alternate" sites associated to one post. What I'm thinking is that each of the tech-oriented sites are cross-site worthy. The SE backend should be like a pot of spaghetti, and each front-end should help you get an organized view of questions that have pertinence to the front-end that you're choosing. So like Apple questions could often be cross-posted to SU. Same for my dba

But I think that means rethinking the entire concept of SE2.0 ... maybe it might have some concept in SE3.0

That would also allow cross-domain rep.

rep for this site + (rep for other sites / 10) or something

ChrisF

Ah - so if I select "Apple" (say) I'd get questions that are posted either on Super User or the Apple site. Webmasters would get questions from Server Fault and Webmasters etc.

drachenstern

So some questions would only apply to SU, for instance. Or some things would only apply to math. But questions like math + phsyics or EL&U + writing or writing + SF

@ChrisF But you would need a way to choose the sites (or have them be assigned like we do VtC) for the question

ChrisF

Assuming they were Apple or Webmaster type questions of course

drachenstern

But essentially yes.

ChrisF

7:38 PM

Interesting. I think it's been raised before though.

drachenstern

If I have a tremendously high rep on Apple, that should mean something for apple tagged questions on SU.

I'm sure it has. But was it raised during SE1.0 or SE2.0 and how was it framed?

I know, for a fact, that it is currently anti-SE2.0, it would need a lot of massaging

I'm curious if that turns it into Quora tho.

ChrisF

It was certainly prior to SE2.0 and I think it might have been prior SE1.0 - when there were only the three sites

drachenstern

Yeah, so I think they still need a little more time to flesh out where they are now, but I think it's a pretty solid theory, with where they are now, and it could be made to move to something fluid on the backend.

It might destroy the concept of Area51 tho, with the private betas ... I'm still not entirely sure.

ChrisF

However, I'm sure that "they" will say the current concept of separate sites with migration gets you want you want.

However, you're idea might have merit for improving the Interesting and Ignored tags in the first instance.

If that works then there's no reason why it couldn't be extended to all sites.

drachenstern

Maybe that's the key, maybe I'm thinking of a meta-portal style, which would be better as an app on top of the API?

ChrisF

7:44 PM

s/you're/your in my last but one post

drachenstern

@ChrisF you're here often enough for those to be overlooked ;)

George Marian

8:09 PM

Mas tequila! ;)

Interesting idea @drachenstern.

ChrisF

If you had full control over the questions you saw it might stop people proposing "sub sites" on Area 51

drachenstern

That's sort of what I'm thinking yes.

But then you potentially miss out on generic questions, if you're only focused on specific ones.

Something about mixing the "hot questions" list with the tagged questions at SO speed

I'm gonna mull it over some more.

Tim Stone

8:33 PM

Ugh, why did MySQL switch to using CMake?

drachenstern

To piss you off. I heard them talking about it. It was tagged dont-show-tim-stone

Tim Stone

Ah, well I guess that makes sense.

Oracle getting back at me and what not, heh. :P

drachenstern

heh

drachenstern

9:00 PM

So has anyone not heard about the full moon tonight?

Tim Stone

SUPERMOON

George Marian

@drachenstern Here what? I thought that was last night?

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian cnn.com/2011/US/03/18/nasa.moon/index.html?iphonefb

George Marian

shakes a fist at his local talking heads

ChrisF

But the whole "supermoon" thing is nonsense anyway.

George Marian

9:04 PM

Good deal, it was all sortsa cloudy last night.

ChrisF

If you want the Moon to look big, watch it as it rises! Everything you need to know about the Moon Illusion: http://is.gd/Tn5xVM

Tweeted by BadAstronomer on March 19, 2011 at 6:56 PM

That tweet's not got the right link, the one you want is blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/18/…

Tim Stone

I just like going around and shouting (in capital letters) SUPERMOON at people.

George Marian

lol

drachenstern

lol

shouting in capital letters do you?

ok, I'm at the office. I'm not writing code. Do we see a problem? I think I need a soda and some better music and I'll be good to go

George Marian

@drachenstern You're cleaning the carpets?

Dang it, Rhythmbox just because adding meta data to a file that's currently playing moves it out of the "unkown" list, doesn't mean that you should stop playing it and go on to the following song.

drachenstern

10:30 PM

in C# on Stack Overflow Chat, 6 secs ago, by drachenstern

ok wtf? "Action was successful.\\nThank you.".Replace(@"\\",@"\") yields "Action was successful.\\nThank you." ... that's not right is it?

George Marian

Eh?

drachenstern

It's not what I expected.

George Marian

Right, WTF is it doing?

drachenstern

So you see my problem right?

George Marian

heh

drachenstern

10:34 PM

What I'm doing seems like it would work right?

George Marian

Yup.

drachenstern

Ok, time to go ask on SO

George Marian

nods

drachenstern

reckon my two new tags are gonna get shot down? help-me-jon-skeet youre-my-only-hope

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Q: String replacement of `\` not giving what I expect. What gives?

"Action was successful.\\nThank you.".Replace( @"\\", @"\"); yields "Action was successful.\\nThank you." What gives? For the record, I want to store the values in the database with a \n, but at some point during getting read back it gets converted into this format. I'm not terribly concer...