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So I'm not sure what to do about this... I'm working on this app for a client and it's almost done. In fact, in the 80-20 rule, we're up to the last 20.

jcolebrand

So you still have about 80% of the work remaining?

Moshe

4:06 AM

@jcolebrand Heh, depends how you look at it.

The app is just about done except for this teensy little feature that was an afterthought but made it into the spec.

And then there's this other bit about sorting which isn't defined either way.

mootinator

That sounds like the last 1% in the 80-20 rule.

Moshe

@mootinator Make that 3% then. There's a custom sorting bit, a feed integration bit, and a tag suggest feature.

jcolebrand

Sounds like you're only about 2% done my friend

Moshe

@jcolebrand Why?

jcolebrand

scope

mootinator

4:08 AM

Heh.

jcolebrand

creep

I have written enough code to recognize a new guy estimating

mootinator

Yeah. Undefined bits are the worst.

Moshe

I did spec this out fairly well though.

Trufa

<offtopic> I'm listening to music that i used to like 10 years ago, it's an awesome feeling! I recommend it!

jcolebrand

night ya'll

Moshe

4:12 AM

But I do recognize this as undefined. I have to have a phone call anyway, so I'll probably say something like "the app works according to the contract. These modifications are not quick and easy and they are not defined anywhere.". Does that work?

Trufa

@jcolebrand night!

Moshe

@jcolebrand Tschüß.

mootinator

I like to listen to satellite radio by decade =)

Trufa

lol

►

Man I can't believe this is from a decade ago

I'm old.

Moshe

I'm out too. Gonna spend time complaining, or messing up existing code. Time for bed.

Trufa

4:15 AM

night!

Tim Stone

7:48 AM

@GeorgeMarian Simply awesome

George Marian

I thought you'd appreciate it.

Tim Stone

Also, I'm not sure that going to bed early and then waking up at four in the morning is necessarily an improvement on my sleep schedule, but I guess we'll see how this goes.

George Marian

lol

Pekka

8:04 AM

@TimStone that is so cool

You're up before everyone else

Everything's quiet, you can get loads of stuff done, or simply do nothing, without being bothered

I manage to do that way too rarely. I can't bring myself to a regular schedule like that

Tim Stone

Well, normally I don't go to sleep until something like five in the morning, so same benefit on the opposite end of my sleep schedule I suppose. :P

Pekka

@TimStone heh, yeah! :) But there's a difference if you're freshly woken up methinks. At least it is to me (I know both ends, too :)

Tim Stone

True, true

Pekka

I may give it a new try once the current chapter of my life (which is full of work that needs to get done and isn't particularly interesting) finally comes to an end. Soon I hope

Tim Stone

Boo for boring work! Aye, hopefully it'll be over soon.

Pekka

8:13 AM

Thanks! Yeah, I really hope that, too.

George Marian

9:24 AM

Dang it, Firefox!

Tim Stone

Hmm, I just blue screened because of ATI drivers.

That is...disappointing.

George Marian

Well, yeah. ATI/AMD bears some of the blame here as well.

I made the mistake of launching Firefox by mistake. I guess I will change that keybind now.

Tim Stone

Heh :P

Raynos

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 14 hours ago, by david

no automatic prettying of github links?! shocking

Tim Stone

Yeah, I think that's come up before. I don't really remember the details of the conversation, though.

Raynos

9:38 AM

If stackoverflow was open source id do it myself

Tim Stone

Do you have an idea of what it should look like?

Raynos

No

sbi

10:56 AM

The PHP room on SO is just now drowning us in a flag war. Is any of the mods here to have a look at that?

Tim Stone

Hm, unfortunately I haven't seen anyone with moderator powers stop in yet this morning.

sbi

@Marc, do you copy?

@TimStone Well, @Marc does have mod powers, and he is active right now. Let's just hop he sees this.

Tim Stone

Aye. It's a shame that this continues to be an issue. :/

Sathya

11:49 AM

slow day is slow

Marc Gravell

will look

sorry, went for food ;p

sbi

12:11 PM

@MarcGravell Well, I was out for lunch when you posted your answer, so I can't complain. :) Anyway, thanks for looking into this.

Marc Gravell

I pretty much didn't need to; no flags showing currently

balpha

yeah, I took care of it

Sathya

12:27 PM

balpha flying in to the rescue! ;p

sbi

@balpha Ah, thanks to you then!

Incidentally, what does the number I click on to see the flagged messages signify? Obviously, it's not the number of flagged messages. (There were about half a dozen messages while the number said 33).

balpha

the number of flags

Marc Gravell

a half-dozen messages with multiple flags each could get to 33, easily

sbi

Waitaminute. So those messages amassed like 5 flags each. Wouldn't they be deleted by then automatically?

balpha

12:53 PM

not if enough people said "not flag-worthy"

9

A: How many chat flags are required to remove a message/ban a user?

These are the current numbers ("current" because they can obviously be changed, but there aren't any plans to do so; they have been like this for a while): The threshold is six, meaning the net flag count of the message has to reach six. Net flag count means the number of flags minus the number ...

sbi

1:05 PM

@balpha Ok, so why exactly is it helpful that I know that 33 have considered this flag-worthy, when I don't know how many have voted against that and how many have clicked on "dunno"?

Wouldn't the number of flagged messages and the valid/invalid/dunno ration per message be much more helpful?

And what about a reason for why this message was flagged? "User has been told numerous times to take his plea elsewhere, now I want him banned just to shut him up" would be so much mire helpful.

Moshe

2:04 PM

Good morning.

@MarcGravell Yea because food is more important than flag wars. </mock-sarcasm :-D

Moshe

3:00 PM

To quote my Mom: "How do you deal with scope creepers?"

jcolebrand

@Moshe you tell them "no"

More specifically: "That's not what we agreed to do right now so either it waits, or we revise the estimate. If we revise the estimate, we're both agreeing it's going to take us longer to get to the end point."

Moshe

I wonder if I can use the contract's due date to my advantage, for a change?

jcolebrand

3:23 PM

You had better be, that's what it's for.

It's to protect BOTH of you

Moshe

heh, true.

jcolebrand

5:01 PM

ok, where are you guys watching the launch at?

mootinator