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3:31 AM
There are surprisingly few people in here, hmm.
 
/botnet on
 
Heheh
We'll have to add that in for low-traffic rooms so chatters don't get bored. :P
 
would be quite useful on WA's chat.
 
WA can't catch any breaks then, it seems. :(
Though I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for all of the other recent graduates, as far as chat goes.
 
I'm telling you: /autopilot on.
 
3:46 AM
hmmmm, when will we get own very own profiles with: photo galleries, a 'wall' for your 'friends' to post on, and even status updates?
 
never?
 
a meta chat, this just seems stupid and more importantly, just plain wierd
just think: you are on in a chat room, for a meta site <- that is for the main site
wait wait
and it has a chat as well
please tell me that most of you are getting paid for this
you are in a chat room to better a website ( that is for bettering the more important site ) that is already doing a fine job for bettering the better site.
hahhahaahahaa
...................
thanks for laughs guys
 
last time i checked, you're here too.
 
not for long, just gonna troll for little longer
SO.....
why this room, why not be apart of the SO chat
??
are they 'too' cool
??
 
this one existed for some time before SO chat was opened just a few days ago
 
3:56 AM
or are they not cool enough
 
and many of us are on SO chat also
 
lets define cool shall we
 
why?
 
as if being on a website dedicated to programming wasn't cool enough, we had to go ahead also be apart of the site that betters that site, and then get on the chat that is to better the ( drum roll... ) better site
 
better the site?
 
3:59 AM
you know what it is: it's a higher level of cool...
it's... an ABSTRACTED COOL
 
k whatever.
 
meta chat <- meta site <- SO chat <- SO site
did i get that right
ahahahahahahaa
Jeff Atwood array(4 LIFE, 4 PRESIDENT, 4 KING);
 
4:35 AM
Oh, good stuff..
@Chacha102 missed out on a troll-crushing opportunity, for shame.
 
5:24 AM
Wait, somebody I could be mean to guilt-free and I missed it?
 
@MichaelMrozek It seems even the trolls are in on the conspiracy to plan everything in a way that conflicts with your schedule.
 
6:01 AM
Nice and quiet here, much too much noise in certain rooms on SO. And call me old, but too much txtspeek too :(
> perfect .. u say ..whts gng on ur side?
 
6:29 AM
Wow. That's not common there, is it?
...there's 3 people in the general room and 43 in the tavern? At some point somebody needs to explain to me how that happened
 
@MichaelMrozek, the tavern is the defactor general room, like here
At the risk of adding snobbery to being curmudgeonly, the level of conversation there right now is not that... inspiring.
 
@Benjol Except unlike here, there's an actual general room there
So I'm a bit confused how the de-facto general room has 15 times the people of the official general room
 
@MichaelMrozek, critical mass :) (And it's too late to correct my defactor typo :()
 
7:26 AM
mornin'
 
'Ello
 
 
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8:43 AM
my laptop isn't sexy enough to run Unity :(
 
9:16 AM
Oh wow, Gnome-Shell is mind blowing.
 
@radp Isn't it made for low-power devices?
 
It runs everything at three fps!
@MichaelMrozek it's going to be the default on desktops too on 11.04
HORY SHIT
never again do I have to worry about people snooping on my back!
now not even I have the slightest idea of what I'm doing!
that's truly secure.
 
I'm envious. I look at my screen and think "damn...if I can read everything so clearly, so can the cameras the government planted around my living room". You never have to worry about such things
 
btw, the one in the terminal? Yes, it's a javascript stacktrace.
 
There's quite the argument in this PSE post about whether or not if(foo == true) is better than if(foo). I wasn't aware this was ever up for debate
 
9:26 AM
for the record, I love Gnome shell. I've been using it since a very early version made it into the Fedora repos
 
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A: Alternatives to If-else Statement

badpthingadongdong = condition while thingadongdong: do_stuff() thingadongdong = False do_more_stuff() This is provided to you under the WTFPD License. Under the terms of What The Fuck Please Don't license, you are granted a viral, non-exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free license to no...

._.
@balpha My problem is that I can't try either Gnome Shell or Unity without installing the nVidia proprietary crapware. That's really a non starter.
Since I removed the nVidia crapware my laptop hasn't shut off due to overheat even once
and I get full multiscreen goodness etc. :)
I really don't want to go back to nVidia proprietary drivers :/
 
Is Gnome Shell the entire interface in this screenshot?
 
that's the activity overview
 
I realize I'm a bit late to the party, but the correct plural form of Thingadongdong is Thingadongdongi.
6
 
@MichaelMrozek Yep, each desktop is shown in an Exposè-like manner
Click on desktop to switch to it. Click on app thumbnail to switch to it.
also (from what I read) the top 'panel' is completely locked (not unlike Unity's)
@Pekka To be honest the most accurate plural form of Thingadongdong is Fishnipples.
 
9:34 AM
To be even more honest, the plural form of a rarely-used made-up word couldn't matter less
 
3
A: is Human verification intelligent?

balphaHI, I'M ELIZA. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT? is Human verification intelligent? I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I wonder if human verification in StackOverflow intelligent. THAT'S INTERESTING... For example I dont miss type and picture and my response time is...

 
> I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
busted. A human would've mispelt that. Especially an ALL CAPS TALKING FEMALE-WANNABE. Rookie mistake I say!
 
I read @balpha's answer before I read the question, and by the end I was wondering if he'd had a stroke
 
> hi im eliza lol what ure up to
now that's trustworthy!
 
@radp, go check out SO Tavern... txtspeek all over, my eyes are blistering :(
 
9:38 AM
@Benjol Never!
 
@Benjol It's been invaded by non-native speakers, yes
 
← non native speaker
 
@YiJiang, there are (at least) two non-native speakers here right now, and my eyes are fine
 
It's unfortunate, I really want to point out that we can chat and use complete sentences, not use txtspk and abuse punctuations at the same time, but I really don't want to sound rude.
 
9:41 AM
@YiJiang, that's why radp should go over there and do it. he's non-native so it won't sound racist :)
 
@YiJiang srsly, y r u h8ing on txtspk ?
(it took me like 30 seconds to figure out how to type that)
 
ELIZA: SO HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
You: OH HAI WHY U ALL SCREAMIN AND STUFF
ELIZA: THAT'S INTERESTING...
You: LOL WTF DID U TRY PRESSING CAPS LOCK ROFL
ELIZA: WHAT DOES THAT SUGGEST TO YOU?
You: LOLNO THAT WAS SHIFT TRY PRESSING CAPS LOCK
ELIZA: I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
You: ITS TEH KEY RIGHT NEXT TO A
ELIZA: PLEASE GO ON.
You: NOT THE Q KEY THO THE OTHER LOL
ELIZA: I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
You: RIGHT ABOVE SHIFT!
ELIZA: I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
 
txtspeek, how do I hate thee? Let me count the ways...
 
@MichaelMrozek Which is why I could never figure out for the life of me why people would use it when they're on a full keyboard
 
yeah, lolspeak is so much faster.
Its teh universal language of teh intarwebz too!
 
9:44 AM
It's just faster to type out complete sentences. And punctuation and spellcheck never hurts anyone...
 
@YiJiang I imagine they don't start thinking "why are you doing that" and then manually translate it to "y r u doing that" as they type
 
at least "y r u" is better than "y ure"
 
@YiJiang > IZ UNFORTUNATE, I RLY WANTS 2 POINT OUT DAT WE CAN CHAT AN USE COMPLETE SENTENCEZ, NOT USE TXTSPK AN ABUSE PUNCTUASHUNS AT TEH SAME TIEM, BUT I RLY DOAN WANTS 2 SOUND RUDE.
 
@balpha Now write something that does the reverse and we can add it to @rchern's script
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@balpha ITZ TEH ALL RIGHTS THO U DONT RALLY NEEDS WEBAPPZ LOL
 
Just killed a mosquito and holy crap that's a lot of blood. My Blood. That little sucker...
 
Now I just need a feature to slap "StackExchangeâ„¢ AttentionDefiant HyperDisorderâ„¢" upon.
SE 1.0 tag clouds maybe?
 
@radp The notification envelope, of course. That thing always pops ups no matter whether you've actually got any notification or not
 
10:43 AM
wtf maths.se, I posted my question eight minutes ago!!
 
 
1 hour later…
11:50 AM
Howdy
 
12:13 PM
0
Q: O these bot checks

Arlen BeilerI am forever being asked if I am a bot, simply because I am so active, especially with the edit button. Can someone write a program that I can click on and it will do it for me?

 
12:24 PM
Well well, this is pretty much the first thing he did on arriving, doesn't bode too well:
 
Hi all
 
Hi @Sekhat (I think, gravatars not downloading well here)
 
@Benjol He continues to be hilarious...
 
@Benjol Yeah, Arlen's just didn't download for me. Refreshing the page solved the issue though
I wonder how far should we stretch "assume good faith"
 
@YiJiang, well the problem is that he has already assumed bad faith, so that makes any kind of communication difficult.
 
12:54 PM
I wonder if anybody here has seen a GM implementation of a "favourite answer" feature, like the one requested in quite a few reqs?
 
@YiJiang, your formatting in the userscript sucks (;
 
@rchern Uh wut?
 
and it seems to have spaces not tabs (;
 
@rchern Right, I haven't converted all of the spaces in your original code to tabs
Frankly, I can't give a damn about it :P
 
the last couple commits have had tabs i believe
or at least, my current file has tabs and git says there are no changes
oh wait, i didn't even have the right repository open. i take that back
dammit, how did spaces get back in >_<
 
1:09 PM
@rchern, don't tell me you're a space-hater!
 
i prefer tabs, though i did ask what people preferred and we decided tabs (:
 
seriously rethinking attitude towards infidel tab-lovers... :)
 
The people who like spaces are people who either can't figure out how to configure their editors properly, or don't understand the concept of tabs for indenting, spaces for aligning
 
my main goal is to have it be consistent each time a new version is committed.
 
@rchern I'm not sure if you intentionally left the loophole that it can switch between all tabs and all spaces with each revision, but that would probably be bad
 
1:14 PM
put simply, every time i look at the file, i want it to be consistent and pretty (:
 
Changing the indentation all the time destroys the revision history -_-
 
yup, hence the pick on and stick with it mentality
 
@rchern Does git ignore non-significant whitespace?
 
@MichaelMrozek yup, that's why I use only spaces :)
 
@Benjol Impressive use of logic there :)
 
1:20 PM
@YiJiang, git-diff can ignore changes in the number of spaces, not sure about tabs, but the diff the website uses doesn't.
 
@MichaelMrozek, I try :) I think I may be in your second category (difference indenting/aligning). In my defence, I do a little F#, where it's spaces-only
 
@Benjol The main argument I hear for spaces is when you try to line up stuff across multiple lines, changing the tab width won't mess it up. Those people are very confused about when you should use tabs
 
@MichaelMrozek, well I only ever really use the tab key, but the editor is set to insert spaces (4). I guess to be honest it's mostly a habit. But it does avoid nasty formatting surprises when you copy/paste between different applications.
 
1:44 PM
Good Morning everyone
 
hello
 
'ello!
 
2:01 PM
math.stackexchange.com is out of beta!
The design's really classy. @Jin Good job!
The logo is a little baffling though. goes off to meta to read about it
 
uh, it's six cubes
 
Jin
@YiJiang thanks. had a hard time came up with a logo. it's derived from the penrose triangle. it's a bit subtle, if you look at it closely, it still maintains that impossible structure
didn't want to use the penrose triangle as it is
 
@Jin Hehe.. you're right.. it is an impossible structure. Nice!
 
Jin
i really wanted to incorporate more "mathy" stuff, but i felt they were getting in the way. also it's the first time i'm using serif for body text, some liked it, others didn't. oh well, the fun designing for public
 
looks great!
 
2:08 PM
@Jin Using a serif font, long body texts look really crowded. Actually, it looks crowded for sans-serif fonts too, but a serif font just makes it worse
 
what? it isn't 7pm utc though >_<
 
Even line-height: 1.2em makes it a lot more "loose"
 
Jin
@YiJiang yeah i'm fixing the line height and other css problems today. i don't think the question/answer body text css is great, true for the other themes too
 
I've always had a thing for serifs. That's why I took a liking to the design immediately. :)
 
StackFlair manually updated, whew (;
 
Jin
2:14 PM
@YiJiang i love serif too. but it seems most people are so used to big sans serifs these days
 
@Jin I like the way you used Georgia, it's a pity the math font doesn't actually match the text font
@YiJiang Do you have a script pointing that out or something?
 
@radp Hmmm... interesting idea. But the problem is, the system thinks you're last message didn't go through, and sometimes only a manual refresh will make the dupe appear
 
2:54 PM
@YiJiang not a good idea really
mostly useless
 
@radp I've been hitting it often enough for me to go over and complain to @MarcGravell about it
 
that's probably better
Paul the Octopus died, in other news
 
@radp Heard it on the BBC just now, yes
 
mind helping me out there? :/
 
@radp Save the image for the "Funny captcha" question, then hit reload
 
3:00 PM
oh well I have to leave anyway
 
Alternatively, I can go and ask my Tamil friends to see if they can recognise it. Will get back to you tomorrow :P
 
Jin
i should use that as the captcha for Math
 
haha
i know someone who wrote a captcha that gave you a tic-tac-toe board with the winning move blank and you had to click where it went
not a full game, just click to complete the line
 
@rchern The problem with all of those is that they work on the principle of security by obscurity
Pretty darn sure if the attacker knows how the CAPTCHA actually works, it can be bypassed pretty easily
 
4:03 PM
CAPTCHA can't protect against Mechanical Turk style networks
 
@spoulson Yeah, but it'll have to be some pretty valuable target for spammers to do that
 
I've had comment spam make it through my blog despite an ASCII art captcha. Someone has to be typing it in. If it were truly automated, I'd expect a lot more misses.
 
@spoulson Maybe that type of CAPTCHA was getting popular? Or maybe the spambots are better than you think
 
@YiJiang clearly, you may be on to something
But in the last 2 years, I've only had two misses.
I could probably customize it to randomize figlet fonts for better results. :)
 
if someone edits my post, will a comment with @name match them?
 
4:15 PM
I think the answer is yes.
Let me see if I can find that post..
 
eh, never mind. user didn't accept my answer so not much point in trying to say something to my editor.
 
24
A: How do comment replies work?

Roger PateImplemented in January 2010, you can use @name syntax anywhere in your comment to reply to a specific user. This will notify that user in their recent replies. There are a few rules to follow for it to work: Notifications apply to the author, commenters, and editors of the question or answer ...

I was determined anyway :P
 
LOLOL
the OP commented on my answer asking for a working example using javascript's .split() because my answer didn't have it. (.split() doesn't work for what he wants)
so he says then it doesn't answer his question and accepts another answer that also doesn't use .split
people amaze me sometimes.
 
...What the, heh.
 
1
Q: Js RegExp every other character

DaleI have random strings that are similar to this: 2d4hk8x37m or whatever. I need to split it at every other character. To split it at every character its simply: '2d4hk8x37m'.split(''); But i need every other character so the array would be like this: ['2d', '4h', 'k8', 'x3', '7m'] Your he...

it's a little broken because the OP deleted his initial comment so i deleted mine, but then he added a reply
 
4:22 PM
"Since you fixed it"?
Did you make an edit in the five minute time span?
 
no
just the editor's change from matches.length to matches
 
Heh
 
which isn't broken
just verifying the expected length shrugs
oh well. people are weird. moving on heh
 
Yeah, I think that the OP should have been able to reason that one out by themselves, though I'm not the least bit shocked they didn't. ;)
In other news, apparently a paper I co-authored on short notice won best at conference (for a conference I didn't go to...)...not really sure how that happened, but I'll take it.
 
haha, nice!
 
4:29 PM
Stranger still, Firebug just decided to spit out three errors telling me that document.body was null...I'm a bit skeptical about that.
 
heh
can't imagine why
 
@TimStone Grats!
 
Thanks :)
@rchern Me either, it was some sort of freak Greasemonkey fail (it was from all the userscripts I have on SO)
 
R.I.P. grandma.
I guess it would be poor taste to reply via Twitter?
 
Jin
it's cool. she lived a long life, i'm happy for her.
i feel bad for my dad though, he flew back to china to see her, but only to have missed her by a few hours.
 
4:36 PM
aww ):
 
:(
 
:(
 
Wil
4:59 PM
I have a question about TAX/VAT in the UK - I was just going to post it on a tax forum then I remembered about the business Stack Exchange site - I can't find it (perhaps it was a version 1 site), but I see onstartup - do you think it will be ok there? - it isn't really about startups, but just UK business.
 
there's money.stackexchange.com (also known as basicallymoney.com). I don't know if this is on-topic there, though.
 
I still long for a SE about law (IP law would be enough).
I could then consider what follows from the fact I do not own the copyright of what I write.
Thanks to the fantastic Italian IP laws I can't license what I write or do without paying a fee for every single thing I want protected.
 
huh? So you can't even, say, release a program under the GPL?
 
Sure. It's just €121.86 each if I read the SIAE's site right.
 
Wil
@balpha It is ok - I asked on a forum :( Just looked and there was no related questions - it is really a financial matter and off topic for money.SE as business- I asked in a forum as it specialises in VAT and is very active.
 
5:19 PM
If I want to instead license what I write -- say, my posts on SE -- I technically just need to associate myself with the SIAE for... jeez, I don't even know, their association PDF hasn't loaded in the last 10 minutes.
 
2 days, 535 rep. booya!
 
Oops! Your question couldn't be submitted because: 'it-is-always-suck-o-clock-in-italy' exceeds maximum tag length of 25
 
5:37 PM
status-tag-overflow
 
status-BEEP-da-police
 
you know the rules, @radp :)
 
/antistar :254102
I'm adding a /antistar to the GM script that shows a little frowny face instead of a star, just locally for my own personal satisfaction
 
THOUGHTCRIME I'm reporting you
 
6:02 PM
any mind readers here?:
0
Q: optimize stored procedure

TonyHi All, I have one question on how to optimized my sp, actually it was a view but I decided to change to sp to make it faster, and it did work. First it took 27 seconds for a view to run and 16 sec for sp. So it is getting better but how to make it even better? Table that I am running my sp on i...

 
maybe ask ELIZA
 
Phew -- turns out I was wrong about copyright
deletes question and goes flame the guy who misinformed him
 
6:27 PM
what timezone does SOIS use? just curious when a day starts and ends as far as rep goes.
 
@Fosco UTC. You can see the current time on the recent activity page (click the envelope)
 
so 8pm EST resets. Thanks
 
@Fosco for another 1 1/2 weeks, yes
nvm
you said EST, and you're right
or are you?
please stop me from talking to myself
 
I don't know, all I know is nobody cares about EST
it's EDT that's being used right now
 
6:34 PM
whatever... E*T.
 
I've given up and just say Eastern
 
I shouldn't really care, but I'm excited to see the weekly rep leaderboard tomorrow..
 
It's not as unimportant as one'd think, it makes all the difference in the 2 weeks per year where EST and BST/EDT and GMT coexist
and the second such week this year, it is coming.
 
6:50 PM
jquery should have its own time zone
I friggin' love how people ask the question specifically looking for a way to use jQuery to do something, rather then just ask how to do it.
how to hide an iframe with jquery? stackoverflow.com/questions/4026166/…
answer: use CSS... IFRAME { display: none; }
comment: is there a jquery event for this?
 
@Fosco There was a good one earlier today:
2
Q: Refreshing the page using Ajax

JohnHow to refresh the page using Ajax? I mean pure Ajax, without any libraries used

 
comment: when using jQuery, you are better off with $("iframe").hide();
@MichaelMrozek LOL
that's awesome..
I mean pure awesome..
 
@Fosco voted
 
@ahsteele ty
 
need to draw some attention to this meta feature request as it seems like a good idea that hasn't got a lot of attention: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/62560/61654
 
7:02 PM
status-bydesign
 
@radp seriously, that seems very lame
 
Anyone want to take a guess why printing out a JSON object gives me:

function (obj, start) {
for (var i = (start || 0); i < this.length; i++) {
if (this[i] == obj) {
return i;
}
}
}
 
@ahsteele it's been said multiple times that the excerpt needs to be a plain text description with no links.
 
But that isn't my function
and isn't in the XHR inspection (Chrome)
 
@ahsteele You can just click the "about" link on the right, so this probably isn't particularly high-priority
 
7:04 PM
@AidenBell did you forget to call the JSON parsing function?
 
@MichaelMrozek I agree by consistency matters #justsayin
 
@balpha - Using jQuery function with dataType: 'json'
 
@radp so no links at the bottom of tag at all then? where has that conversation gone on... (must have missed it)
 
@AidenBell so you're just printing the data passed to the callback?
 
@balpha The element showing to be a "string" containing function code is just one element in a nested JSON object ... so it is parsing correctly
@balpha - Looping through some data.children element ... they are all as should be, apart from the odd one which is a string containing that function code
In the callback from the .ajax() call
 
7:06 PM
and what should the content be?
 
Just a person's name
 
@ahsteele It's not like I wouldn't want to add them -- it's been declined though
 
what created the json?
 
Chrome + jQuery
works fine in FF
 
Links can be added in the full version of the tag wiki however.
or they can be bought as part of an advertisement deal :P
 
7:08 PM
data is just { person: "Dave", children: [ "Alice", "bob", "Sue" ] }
 
@radp makes sense, just a bit jarring to not see them
 
and what is the code that outputs the function?
 
If I print out the children I get:

Alice, Bob, Sue, function (obj, start) {
for (var i = (start || 0); i < this.length; i++) {
if (this[i] == obj) {
return i;
}
}
}
Just a for loop on children.length
 
does that code exist anywhere in your project?
 
7:20 PM
anyway I want to cast a +500 bounty on meta so that it goes below the Gaming rep I have
any worthy questions?
(I blame @rchern)
 
7:34 PM
o:
why are you blaming me? ):
 
Something I can answer? ;)
 
@rchern I hear you broke gravatar
 
i did?
 
@rchern yes, because my stackflair has my radp identity until I cast this bounty
 
Argh mobile chat.. waits for electric meter to be upgraded
 
7:37 PM
@radp, 1) ask a question on meta about keyboard commands for chat, i'll be happy to answer (; and then 2) post a feature request on github.com/rchern/StackFlair/issues (:
 
in Chat feedback, 2 hours ago, by balpha
Has anybody seen this happen who does not have rchiang's GM script installed?
 
@rchern I see what you're doing there, making me make a cake and having you eat it too :P
 
(;
 
Even better, ask a question about the keyboard navigation part of it ;)
 
I'm just going to find a question @Jin answered and award him the bounty instead :P
 
7:43 PM
pffft
 
@Fosco Nope, that function isn't anywhere - looks like a jquery function ... but it is a string in the JSON (tho not really because I can see the JSON response from the server)
and json is minified
Could be a bug in Chrome's native json parser
Tho unlikely
 
Ah, back to the keyboard.
@AidenBell I kind of missed out on what was going on, what's happening with your JSON parsing?
 
@AidenBell can you duplicate it with JSFiddle ?
 
@TimStone - Really simple: a $.ajax() call with dataType: 'json'
The JSON is: {person:"Dave", children:[ {name: "Alice", age:10, children:[]}, {name:"Bob", age:20, children:[]}] and if I recurse through children, printing their names, for anyone with empty children array it prints the string above (which looks like a function def)
@Fosco - Will try now
 
<3 JS Fiddle... it's helped me put together a bunch of good of SO answers
 
7:57 PM
Somebody needs to repost this on SO: velocityreviews.com/forums/…
 
Hahahahah
 
lol
 
why didn't anyone respond with "here, run this <link>"
 
Hmm
 
8:14 PM
Jeff and Joel are now the 51th coolest tech people in New York
Congrats to @codinghorror, @spolsky and the #stackoverflow team for making the #SA100. http://read.bi/dbRU89
 
leet.
 
Nice
Whoever did the images for this though, eh..
Seems a little uh..weird to me.
 
@TimStone all of the spliced images in that article feel off
 
8:35 PM
@ahsteele Yeah, heh.
 
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