Tavern on the Meta

well it isn't just for chat though, on the sites too

Ah, yes.

$("#shadow-filename").val(this.files ? this.files[0].name : this.value) or $("#shadow-filename").val(this.files ? this.files[0].name : this.value.replace("C:\\fakepath\\","")) or $("#shadow-filename").val(this.value.replace("C:\\fakepath\\",""))

i guess it depends on whether it should just show the filename without the path for users that would have the fakepath or for everyone

i would think consistent behavior for all users

12:45 AM

I don't think it ever shows the path?

Opera and IE8 are the reason we have this fakepath nonsense in the first place, Chrome now does it too because it got added to the HTML 5 spec (morons..), and Firefox just returns the file name.

Safari seemingly also only returns the file name.

Hm, I wonder what older IEs do...is that important?

older meaning?

Do we care about IE7, for instance?

A: Misaligned table on privileges page

ie7 is in their "we support but no longer make css fixes for" group i believe

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We're starting to put IE7 in our "we will guarantee the site works, but there may be visual inconsistencies from time to time that you would not experience in a more modern browser" bucket. As long as the site works, we aren't fixing cosmetic issues with IE7 any more.

Yeah, I was thinking that, but this isn't a CSS fix, so ;)

@TimStone which part got added to the spec? that "C:\fakepath\..." is required?

12:57 AM

@RogerPate Yeah

Because it might break existing websites..

that is incredibly lame

Originally it was going to be just the name of the file, but naturally adding "C:\fakepath\" for scripts that tried to remove it in a stupid way is far more important than doing things logically.

I've always been annoyed by chrome showing that in the UI, but I suppose the UI could be cleaned up without affecting the JS interface

always ?

Does it show it when you just select a file using the actual file upload control?

1:04 AM

@RogerPate, you are confusing me by having a gravatar on SO but not here ):

Hahah

I should switch meta to my old dead unicorn avatar

en.gravatar.com/userimage/3205103/…

any question/answer i see that on shall be downvoted without question.

Hah

@rchern well, you're in luck (or rather I am), since I went with buddy christ instead

1:19 AM

erm

(tried to leave and rejoin, apparently that doesn't update chat avatars)

2:39 AM

I can't believe how well this thing works on a Pentium D machine with half a gig of RAM

The chat?

@TimStone Yeah. I'm in school right now

@YiJiang Ah, right, forgot it was already Monday. Clearly, it is the king of chats.

I should fire up IE7 on this piece of junk just to see it die

Also, there's a very obnoxious NPE error right now, argh.

2:41 AM

Oh wow... the cursor is lagging

Heh :P

Opening up three questions from the SE dropdown just brought the computer to a grinding halt

Not sure what happened at that point in time...but clearly it was bad. :P

3:03 AM

Whew.. I'm back

Firefox just hanged again

@TimStone I'm guessing some critical utility broke down.

I think I may have removed the water sanitation plant, which I apparently desperately needed despite having trashed all of the agricultural zones, heh.

Seems like kind of a harsh reaction though :P

sighs

Citizens are always whining about needing water to survive. Just kill them all

@MichaelMrozek It's quite fun, actually, since SC4 has a god mod with disasters and all. Just make sure you have a save file ready to restore from after you've had the fun

Also, one of the top faq for SC4 seems to be: How do I get a riot?

My Fallout 3 character has maximum good karma. He achieves this because every time I go crazy and murder a whole town I rollback to an old save

Hahah

That is slightly disturbing :P

3:23 AM

and yet, it makes so much about him make sense, doesn't it? (;

My eyes have been opened. ;)

I think it's quite nice of me to bring them all back. I stare at them with crazy eyes and think "in an alternate universe I drove a flaming sword through your head. But in this one we're friends"

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i need to stop answering javascript questions on SO. it is brutal! ha

Why's that? :P

so many dupe answers

(;

3:36 AM

Ah ha

Sounds like [java] :P

5:32 AM

Someone's broken the Stack Exchange Monolith!

obligatorily blames @rchern

pffft

@TimStone, yup, so I see, and it's worse than friday - now area51 is down too :)

I did say it was a good idea keeping chat separate, apparently they agree :)

Sorry, Marc isn't here, and you do have the secret passwords..

@Benjol Yeah, hrm...wonder what happened.

@TimStone, well, I guess something to do with this:

Ah, fixed. ;)

Stack Overflow Blog: Datacenter Migration Oct. 23

5:34 AM

Posted by Jeff Atwood on October 21st, 2010

This Saturday, October 23rd, starting at about 2 PM Pacific, we will be migrating all of our primary sites from the Corvallis, OR datacenter to the New York, NY datacenter.

Please be advised that this is a major move, and while we will do everything we can to prevent major service interruptions (largely with a read-only site mode we’re introducing), there may be a few hours of unavoidable downtime.

This move is good news, though:

At worst this NYC configuration will be the same speed overall — but much more robust. At best, you should notice 100 to 150 millisecond improvement in response time on every single page. …

I half-understood the team were be going to having a meet-up (first for @Marc) sometime soon, maybe they're all out at Starbucks? :)

Heh :P

Anyway, who needs SO or SE when you have chat to play with? :)

I try to maximize my distractions at all times. :P

@TimStone, well you're well served by Jeff&Joel then :)

Hahah, indeed.

5:43 AM

in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Crackerjack

lold

Heh

Certainly a geek's chatroom

Eric Lippert is really winding us up with his series on CPS. Hinting strongly that there's something new and shiny coming out soon in "a future hypothetical C#5".

On top of that, for once I can actually understand the stuff his blogging about :)

Must be nice to work with a language that has new and shiny things you can use, heh.

Unfortunately not exactly what Java is known for. :P

6:02 AM

@TimStone - All that shiny stuff is over-rated. Python ftw

Subtly shinyness is the way forward

Importing from the future is indeed the way forward. :P

Indeed ;)

Vimeo's API is great...!

@TimStone well, yes and no. Sometimes you get fed up with having to keep up. and the fact that every 5 years you have to everything :)

Well, that's true. :)

6:45 AM

Is this about stackoverflow? :)

Damn, he is onto my AutoOverflowBot™ plans for rep domination!

There's no unicorn references, so I think not. :P

I feel like building onebox support for vimeo videos into the script. Aye or nay?

Is onebox a stachchat thing or is it using some form of external onebox API?

@AidenBell I think it'll be better if I put quotes around the onebox

What want to script to do is: 1) When a script user puts a vimeo video URL into the message

The script automatically grabs the preview frame using the API, then puts the title of the video as the next message

Creating a "onebox"

6:56 AM

Sounds cool to me

Then, if the script detects messages containing Vimeo URL sent by others

It'll do the same to those too

chanchal1987

7:16 AM

What is this "Happy Hour" means?? Why this event is created?? Please help me.. I am new here...

It means we are all happy for one hour then go back to being sad

chanchal1987

he he he

8:02 AM

Watch Remind Me by Röyksopp on Vimeo

Okay, what do you guys think of this?

@YiJiang, is the a reason for them being separate? easier to star?

@Benjol It's actually impossible to have them in one message.

@YiJiang, ok, we'll go with my reason then :) It's a feature

The [![Image title](img_url)](anchor_url) Markdown format doesn't work

The only problem I can forsee, and it's a pretty big one, is that everyone has been trained to click on the image, because of the YouTube oneboxes, where as in this case that'll just take you to a bigger version of the image

You have to click on the link below.

@YiJiang - Yea pretty good

I think though that a "Play arrow" graphic somewhere would help

8:14 AM

@AidenBell Well, can you help me find a unicode play arrow?

Maybe before the "Watch ..." using the ▶

@YiJiang - alanwood.net/unicode/geometric_shapes.html

▶ Watch remind me by blah on Vimeo

Those chars make good smiley material :◊

:◬

囧

So does pictographic languages :P

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@AidenBell Go now, before a mod comes around and send you to the <del>playpen</del> Sandbox

mwahaha my unicode wrath will reign eternal

It's quiet in here

8:20 AM

@AidenBell, yup, and quiet over in the other Tavern too

Without @MarcGravell and @balpha, we are rudderless :)

▶ Watch Manhattan 4.33pm by Lizzie Oxby on Vimeo

This feature needs more testing. The rate limiter is making my life difficult here

Marc Gravell

8:43 AM

How often are you seeing problems with the rate limiter?

@MarcGravell - I think he means the Vimeo API

@YiJiang ?

@MarcGravell The thing is, the time seems to be inconsistant

oh, ignore me

The script is currently running with 400 ms between the two messages

sepp2k

11:19 AM

Woo! Rank 6 on SO's weekly reputation league! You may call me Jon Skeet 2.0

12:47 PM

@rchern You there?

spoulson

1:14 PM

Hello

1:51 PM

hai

Hmmm.... what other sites can I integrate the pseudo-oneboxes from?

Suggestions?

2:06 PM

@YiJiang i am now

@rchern Right. You see the experiment I did here and in the Sandbox?

Whaddya think?

Eh.

2:30 PM

Argh, obnoxious third place bar.

@rchern Well? Come on! You're silence is disturbing

@TimStone Whadd ya think?

@YiJiang, personally I'd never use it. Then again, I rarely use the youtube one

@rchern Well, what other pseudo onebox candidate do we have?

I'm not sure what I'm thinking about.

Oh, never mind, I see.

Hmm..

I'm not sure what I think of it, honestly. :P

@TimStone ..... ... ... ...........

2:39 PM

Heh, maybe I'll have better opinion-forming skills after I eat.

Oh right.

@rchern Do you know if they're going to switch the Related Accounts flair to images at some point?

what do you mean?

oh, i dunno

why?

i'd guess no, tooltips seem useful there

They're each their own page, which doesn't have jQuery, heh. So the userscript throws an exception for each one.

o:

I was going to look at what the cleanest way to handle that was, but I figured if they were going to change them it didn't matter.

@TimStone Can't you just @exclude them?

Or better still, @require jQuery. [Ahem, Chrome :(]

2:46 PM

Hm, we can probably exclude them.

Which is the better option, because you don't need the userscript to run on those "pages".

2:56 PM

Critically important question for Meta Stack Overflow: What is the plural of "thingadongdong"? Is it "thingadongdongs"? Or "thingsadongdong"? (This has been asked before, but tragically, nobody knew the answer.)

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@PopularDemand I vote for the second one.

@PopularDemand Or "thingadongding", like goose and geese.

Hrm, my exclude somehow isn't working.

@PopularDemand Also, starred, so that future generations appearing two hours from now will be able to see this

@YiJiang Two hours from now? Is MSO now trying to appeal to the mayfly audience? Thanks though.

3:00 PM

i like thingadongdongs

o: /del isn't working

I think the first is more pronounceable, which is somehow relevant. The second probably makes more "sense", but this is thingadongdong we're talking about, so I'm not sure if that's relevant.

Lance Roberts

It really sucks that they redirect when one of the sites is down.

3:24 PM

thingadongdongdongdongdongdongdongdong

thingadingding?

thingtwodongdong?

@balpha Sounds like you're chiming the current hour. Is it eight o'clock where you are?

in Chat feedback on Stack Overflow Chat, 31 secs ago, by Evan Carroll

Cool!!! Ever since I was wrongly banned from meta.stackoverflow, I've been unable to play with the chat functionality

I just had an epiphany

:):)

for every two human smiles, @rchern frowns once

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so sad

...

@balpha If you want to, I can pull out the smiley reverser.

3:32 PM

Hahah

@balpha And, apparently, cruelly leaves unattached parts of faces on either side of the frowning.

Reaction of non-Meta inhabitants to Meta inhabitants:

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Raynos

Oh god. Backwards smileys. Oh god someone actaully wrote a reversal script. Seriously do we have nothing better to talk about?

@YiJiang That's our reaction too

+1

oh hi.

3:42 PM

@MichaelMrozek ):

I hope the above one-boxes.

Aww.

Sigh... 'ere we go again

@radp, onebox it on SO's chat and quote that post here

@rchern That's... backwards ):

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in Sandbox on Stack Overflow Chat, 16 secs ago, by badp

StackExchange Exiles

For those that have been wrongly banned from one or more stack...

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@radp Starring things out out context. Hehe

3:46 PM

that's what @balpha suggested when i tried to do it

@YiJiang Isn't the important thing that someone solved a problem with code, no matter how trivial the problem was?

If they remove Java, Minecraft will stop working on Macs. I won't port it to native Mac code.

Tweeted by notch on October 25, 2010 at 1:06 PM

@rchern Your script should detect people asking about things that have been covered here dozens of times, and automatically answer them

Then we can adapt it to an SO bot that answers questions about floating point math being wrong, and make thousands of rep

@MichaelMrozek Dupe of chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/249452#249452

@PopularDemand Nonsense; this is something to answer common questions, not ramble aimlessly

3:48 PM

@MichaelMrozek Yours is a subset of mine. Dupe.

...oy

Feature request: Implement all features ever desired by anyone

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@MichaelMrozek Feature request: Implement all features ever desired by anyone, except if I disagree with them. Oh, and don't implement the ones desired by Michael Mrozek.

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Mark Peters

Argh I need a meta.chat.stackoverflow.com site

@PopularDemand Sounds like a subset of my feature request

Coming up next: chat.meta.chat.stackoverflow.com... chat.meta.chat.meta.stackoverflow.com....

@MichaelMrozek In this case, the lack of a feature is, itself, a feature.

3:52 PM

in Chat feedback, Oct 22 at 14:50, by Nick Craver

Suggestion: redirect meta.chat.stackoverflow.com to chat feedback!

in Chat feedback, Oct 22 at 14:52, by Yi Jiang

@NickCraver And http://meta.chat.meta.stackoverflow.com to a warning about meta recursion

8 secs ago, by balpha

recursion?

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@YiJiang Thanks!

@balpha Trippy.

15 secs ago, by Yi Jiang

Hello world

Ah.... that's how it works

@balpha have you fixed the farmville regression yet?

Sep 13 at 19:06, by balpha

Oh, and when I pull my wifi cable out of my esata port halfway through generating the flair and at the same time dance the Ententanz, I get a weird error message from Farmville. Please fix that.

Greetings

4:00 PM

@radp that's a bug in StackFlair, not chat. Ask yichern. Or was it rchiang?

@radp I think he should have used this link instead:

►

It's noon and I've answered 3 questions on SO. +230 rep and 2 badges. pwn!

nAise

You will soon achieve ultimate irony

I just got strunk and white on Gaming. I'm happy like that.

@balpha I don't do StackFlairs

4:03 PM

What, 100 edits?

@Popular I have a question for you (or anyone)

Actually maybe I better go try it out first

Yes, it was from a rollback miniwar w/ tzenes but still...

But still, e-points are e-points, right?

As long as you get them, the site can go to oblivion

@radp No united front?

OK, I was going to ask how to associate accounts with different e-mails

@PopularDemand of Jewah? cow!

4:08 PM

@radp Is that a Life of Brian reference?

yichern? rchiang? what the heck lol

@rchern mbalphac

You two are starting to blur

@PopularDemand Not that I can tell.

@MarkC /Mark [A-N]*/

@YiJiang meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/68526/…

4:10 PM

@PopularDemand Yeah, I know. I just want to come up with my own spliced balpha/Marc Gravell combination

@YiJiang I believe the question you're looking for is "how is babby formed?"

(How did that question get so famous, anyways? It's not even a good example of a bad question. Was it posted to slashdot or some other large-readership place?)

it was a yahoo answers question

and it is hilarious

@Fosco Yes, I'm sure he knows that, but he wants to find out how it became so famous.

I think it might be because of this: somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf

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he didn't know where it was posted...

image flood:

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4:19 PM

@YiJiang Ah, just looked at the URL. Not gonna open that 'til I get home, but thanks.

@PopularDemand It's a cave man asking the question. I don't know about banners and ads, because I have Flash- and Ad-Block.

Never mind, I closed it after he repeated the question the second time (thought it would just loop). It goes on and reads, dramatically, one of the answers.

Please star-spam @YiJiang's link.

I am dying watching that! "because these babbys can't frigth back?

just an fyi, if you ever want me to star something, don't beg for it (;

I haven't begged for a single thing, but if that's begging, then STAR THE LINK, NOW!

Oh my! Optimus Prime explains how babby formed:

@rchern Telling people not to beg for stars is now passé.

Whoops, I'm sorry. I hadn't finish watching it; it turns to profanity after the quote.

4:34 PM

somebody only now figured out the mathematical function unicornify(x)?

@Fosco Good point, but to me battery indicators are accurate unless your battery is worn out.

{removed}

@Fosco broken link, use the upload button

4:43 PM

@Fosco Are those two pictures relevant to any of the discussion here? It seems like you're trying to say something

@MarkC no... just random

yesterday, by balpha

> Needs to be pointed at the Sandbox

Jesus is a wonderful Person, @Fosco.

Holy Macaroni

Unity shell will be default desktop in Ubuntu 11.04

4:55 PM

> The diverging desktops could pose some challenges for GNOME application developers who will have to support two different sets of desktop integration features. I discussed that issue with Shuttleworth after the keynote to get his perspective. He pointed out that developers are already supporting Ubuntu's indicator system and other custom integration points without much difficulty.