Wizards Den

@ShadowWizard ha, well, I went to university in Amsterdam but that is all... If I have to favor a football club I choose AZ because that is closer to my hometown when I grew up.

MysticMagicϡ

back

rene

Ok, you take over while I have breakfast

MysticMagicϡ

7:43 AM

@rene riot

Shadow Wizard

lol, breakfast in turns ;)

MysticMagicϡ

hehe :P

@Sha can go for breakfast once Rene returns..

Once Sha returns Dro can have his lunch :D

Shadow Wizard

@rene yep, question is if you're a hooligan? :P

@MysticMagicϡ not really, already had my breakfast ~2 hours ago ;)

MysticMagicϡ

hehe :) hmm

Shadow Wizard

@Dro is gone D:

gone is @Dro :D

MysticMagicϡ

7:45 AM

@Dro seen 12s ago, talked 2h ago

seen 12s ago, talked 2h ago @Dro

Shadow Wizard

seen means that he left the browser tab open, so there is a timer sending requests.... or is it done with sockets? Not sure...

@MysticMagicϡ negative

MysticMagicϡ

browser tab open...

@ShadowWizard positive

Shadow Wizard

@MysticMagicϡ positron

MysticMagicϡ

@ShadowWizard proton

Shadow Wizard

@MysticMagicϡ Newton

MysticMagicϡ

7:52 AM

@ShadowWizard Gravitation

Shadow Wizard

@MysticMagicϡ Gravatar

MysticMagicϡ

@ShadowWizard image

Shadow Wizard

@MysticMagicϡ Norton

MysticMagicϡ

@ShadowWizard anti virus

Shadow Wizard

@MysticMagicϡ blocking

SPArchaeologist

8:18 AM

morning

Shadow Wizard

morning!

rene

8:49 AM

morning!

and I'm back with coffee

Shadow Wizard

9:18 AM

rene

9:29 AM

second cup

SPArchaeologist

10:05 AM

@DroidDev... the answers of that question from yesterday are even more vague than the precognitive knight ones

aaaaaand . Jackpot

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Q: What's wrong with "idea generation" questions?

Some people have complained of certain question being "idea generation" questions, and closing them as too broad. We now have a dedicated "Idea Generation" close vote/flag reason!! What does it mean? What is the problem with "idea generation" questions?

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A: What's wrong with "idea generation" questions?

In my opinion, idea generation questions are not a good fit for the Stack Exchange model for several reasons: There are no criteria for picking the best answer -- everyone's ideas are equally valid; the question is too subjective. It's just a kick-starter for a discussion or a debate -- SE is n...

DroidDev

10:28 AM

@ShadowWizard @dro is back D:

@ShadowWizard back is @dro :D

@MysticMagicϡ @Dro seen now, talked now

@MysticMagicϡ seen now, talked now @Dro

:P

@ShadowWizard sockets, let me think about it :P

DroidDev

10:48 AM

@SPArchaeologist the dots just next to my name prevented the ping. I just read the message accidently

@SPArchaeologist lol, true. Even I might come up with something like that :P

SPArchaeologist

11:30 AM

@DroidDev so true, so true.

BTW, sorry for all the late and short answers, but this week I am stuck in "flat-mane" Pinkie mode. And it is bad as it sounds - I don't have much time to explain what does it means when Pinkie mane "fall down", but a quick search should give enough info.

DroidDev

@SPArchaeologist don't worry. Mostly everyone is stuck. Its just who is in how much deep trouble

SPArchaeologist

11:46 AM

@DroidDev look, it is not a matter of problems. It is sadness. The one you feel when you realize that everything around you goes by the old Latin phrase "Homo homini lupus "

DroidDev

@SPArchaeologist so, its again cruel world. My current attitude towards it(and its like that since I remember): Can I solve it? Yes, then do it. No, Then forget it. There are endless things to get sad about. Have you read Gandhi's Talisman? Just a short thing and teach you many things.

SPArchaeologist

@DroidDev Look... while I don't have read the book you reference (but seem interesting, may search for it) I believe my vision is almost the same. I can do nothing in these situation, so I am just a mountain there, watching the valley in silence.

that said, some Chinese philosopher I don't remember now once said something like "a mountain can have chosen to not act on the works of mans, but this doesn't means it doesn't cry inside"

DroidDev

12:02 PM

@SPArchaeologist yes and that's what I am talking about. Getting sad isn't the option. It should never be. Getting frustrated is. Get frustrated, join a gym, throw your anger on punching bag, but never get sad. It just creates darkness inside. Always share yourself with others. Surround yourself with friends and sadness won't exist

@ShadowWizard punch

I wonder why this image has name IT Kama Sutra written in it :/

though guy is making funny positions around CPU

maveň

12:20 PM

SPArchaeologist

12:35 PM

@DroidDev maybe it depends on the definition of "Sadness", probably my message does not come out like I would because English isn't my mother language. What I mean is that it "sadness" me to see that mans strive to live such ways. You can also say it may get me frustrated, or angry... but all what I feel is pity. Pity for humans like me who never understood friendship... or how to live.

^ urgh, that came out even cornyer than I though.

maveň

SPArchaeologist

Probably it is still the pony inside who speak in my place

@maveň while I appreciate the attempt, know that there are even cuter filly mane six version around. Don't have time to search and post but trust me.

maveň

@SPArchaeologist This time I won't

SPArchaeologist

3

Q: How can glass people survive?

I have been trying to imagine a world which was also created by a Big Bang. Following is something that I have created so far: Another planet which was created also has species like us but they live in a tougher environment with high atmospheric pressure and more exposure to the sun; they have f...

biology creature-design alien

while I dig the concept of Crystal ~~ponie~~ humans, such evolution would probably result not in crystal like glass, but something more like fiberglass.

DroidDev

12:50 PM

@SPArchaeologist I stopped feeling pity long time ago. Again because of same attitude. If I can't do anything, I forget about it. That also helps in case of sadness. You never get emotional. It isn't like I don't do anything for people. I started giving some money to homeless people when I started earning. But, I saw them buying alchohol with that. Then I left that out and started giving them food. Then I saw them selling food and again buying drugs etc. Then I just laughed at myself and moved on.

SPArchaeologist

that could be a problem. Even before going all "pony&harmony" I was a seer and a paladin in UO. You won't know it, but the whole Ultima videogame franchise is centred around a system of "Virtues" (which in turn takes inspiration from Buddhism) and Compassion is just one of those virtues.

I guess I should go for the Hotoke no kao mo sando - Even a Buddha's face... only three times

DroidDev

well...look at us. We started from somewhere else and now we are somewhere else. again laughs at himself

I wonder when I'll get so much busy that I won't have time to think about other things except work

SPArchaeologist

1:12 PM

Bootstrap paradox

^ should I edit it to link to that MPL episode?

waiiiit.... someone already did.

Shadow Wizard

1:41 PM

@DroidDev programming

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard puzzlled

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev Code Golf :D

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard haiku

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist hacked

SPArchaeologist

1:56 PM

IT Development: the only field where you will be asked time estimations for things whose realization/architecture is still not know. And peoples still think it is normal to do so.

2

since it seems that the rest of humanity has so much difficulties understanding a so simple concept - that you cannot estimate how long will it take to perform something yet unknown - I hereby propose to claim devs as a new, more evolved race as Sheldon Cooper once said.

Let's all define ourselves "Homo Nobilis" from now on. :P

berserk

yo ppl

and ponies

and mavens

maveň

:D

in Java and Android era on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by maveň

for( ; ; ){
    do{
        code(Android major);
        learn(Java minor);
        art(Playing onMood, Gymming ifGetTime);
    }while(awaken);
}

berserk

@SPArchaeologist lmao

SPArchaeologist

2:17 PM

@berserk you know... sometimes I can somehow convince me that is natural. You are crafting something immaterial. It is not like a car... that is easy "How long to build a car? Ok, which car you need?" - everyone understands that you need to know what you have to do to tell how long it will take. With programs that simple assumption seems to fail

the problem: I can understood when clients do not understand... but pm non understanding too? That should be your competence area...

berserk

And as a result, deadlines are not met :P

SPArchaeologist

@berserk YOU WISH.

as a result, YOU will work overnight to meet them

berserk

The most annoying thing is when client ask for some changes which looks small but are not.

@SPArchaeologist Happens with me a lot :P

SPArchaeologist

@berserk I know it may sound like a trap, but please be assure that it is not. Actually it is something I was saying since my first day here.

Search for a song on youtube. It is called "Art of the dress" and it come from a mlp episode. Still.... many call it "Art of the Dev".

Listen and you will understand why

"All we know is indecision"

berserk

Nice song.

Exactly what happens with a dev (me atleast).

SPArchaeologist

2:32 PM

@berserk now you know why all last minute changes I resume with "app needs to be 20% cooler"

berserk

Haha yea.

Just happened at one of my current application.

I thought it is done.

But when client asked for that 20% cool stuff, it shaked whole backend and frontend. ;_;

And PM told me that we have to deliver it next day.

More ironic thing is, he was a dev once. :/

And I'm like Couldn't you simply die

DroidDev

@berserk YOU HAVE A PM OVER YOU!!!??!?!?!?!?!?!???!!!!111!!!!ONE!1!

berserk

Not over me exactly.

Not like boss exactly.

DroidDev

sigh

berserk

But I have to worry about the deadlines he commits :/

DroidDev

2:45 PM

Xcode has got to be hands down the crappiest IDE to debug in. I get this error on the console and it's absolute hell to figure out where it's coming from. In Visual Studio I can click on the error and it takes me to the offending file. I've spent 30 min trying to figure wtf is going on. Ugh what a mess. — The Muffin Man Jun 11 '13 at 5:57

I am currently going through the same feeling he went once

SPArchaeologist

@berserk even more ironic. Most of our current PM weren't dev. Ever. Which I still belive is a requisite (can't manage things you don't understand). And the 20% ironic- er thing on top is that the other left just for such company behaviour...

DroidDev

that's just projects. How many defence ministers in countries were in army you think? :P

Shadow Wizard

@Dro this was our defense minister ^

As you can imagine, he never really served as a soldier

That's said, he made Iron Dome come true, while all others didn't believe it can happen he believed it to the end and it proved as the most successfull defense system we have these days

> In February 2007, Defense Minister Amir Peretz selected Iron Dome as Israel's defensive solution to this short-range rocket threat.[20] Since then, the $210 million system has been developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems working jointly with the IDF

Bottom line: sometimes it's good to have people who knows nothing about what they should be doing, since they look at things in a different perspective. :-)

SPArchaeologist

we are a Microsoft Gold partner company. Some PM didn't know what "this .net you keep all talking about" was

berserk

lol

Shadow Wizard

2:56 PM

@SPArchaeologist yup, quite like the above defense minister who didn't quite know what he was holding and how to use it.

berserk

rofl

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard well...I don't believe he was alone supporting that project without any technical backup and some guys who really convinced him that it was possible

SPArchaeologist

@DroidDev but of those no one will ever know the name :P

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev let's say that major part of the people around him and above him including the Prime Minister believed it's going to utterly fail, but he just insisted.

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard what I am saying is, he would never have insisted, until there was someone who proved it to him that it is best. He might be a fool(as it seems in that photo). But, even in that case, he had someone very wise with him

@SPArchaeologist yup, cruel world

but consider this, if the system had failed. The scientists had just talked about it over a glass of wine. All the blame was his to shoulder

SPArchaeologist

3:06 PM

@DroidDev remembers me of the old BBC Merlin tv serie...

anyway, to change the discussion subject

Idea generation question on worldbuilding have actually "won" a dedicated close reason

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Q: What's wrong with "idea generation" questions?

Some people have complained of certain question being "idea generation" questions, and closing them as too broad. We now have a dedicated "Idea Generation" close vote/flag reason!! What does it mean? What is the problem with "idea generation" questions?

discussion on-topic questions

Yet, we can see how idea generation not only get upvoted, but also on hot question list.

seem to be a nice place to live, @DroidDev ^ users ignoring close reason and slowly turning it in a discussion board.

DroidDev

@SPArchaeologist haha, we can even move android there. Kind of same thing ;)

SPArchaeologist

3:51 PM

@ShadowWizard could you please check if this question has a deleted answer by skett?

-> stackoverflow.com/questions/1210679/…

Shadow Wizard

4:03 PM

How did you know there is such an answer?

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard fun fact: the missing badge is the only one that isn't show on the public profile.

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist not sure what you mean by that?

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard maybe I have found a bug that allowed to use the 10k tools without the required rep and by reporting it I earned the Hacker badge.... or maybe I am just joking :P

more credible guess: I have read Like Jon Skeet I was getting "Feature 'optional parameter' cannot be used because it is not part of the 3.0 C# language specification" so.....

wanted to see the deleted Skeet answer

the inkblot on Skeet CV :P

....

bad sign. To handle missing info my code is starting to be adaptable to all changes they may throw at it.

Shadow Wizard

4:35 PM

@SPArchaeologist lol, that indeed makes bit more sense. :-)

@SPArchaeologist talking about adaptable code, wonder where @Pro and @FOX are today?

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard my "adaptable code" is more of the OCD type....

I am becoming Twily. Can't tell if I should be glad or worried. First, I should get clear if I get the horn and wings too.

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard I went to the 2nd round of the Flemish Junior Math Olympiad :)

@DroidDev I like the command suggestion, but the reply is stolen from SmokeDetector :P

FOX 9000

Bot started with waiting time set to 0 seconds.

ProgramFOX

5:01 PM

>>help

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands, or you can run >>help command to learn more about a specific command.

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard account

FOX 9000

@SPArchaeologist prefix

SPArchaeologist

@FOX9000 suffix

FOX 9000

@SPArchaeologist certain

No associated word found for incertain.

SPArchaeologist

5:09 PM

@FOX9000 uncertain

FOX 9000

@SPArchaeologist render

SPArchaeologist

@FOX9000 texture

FOX 9000

@SPArchaeologist grain

SPArchaeologist

bye for now. Have to go

ProgramFOX

cya

Shadow Wizard

5:13 PM

cya!

@ProgramFOX Wow great! Any medals? ;-)

@FOX9000 Drain

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard pour

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard No, the prizes are only there after the final, but my score is probably not high enough to get there :P

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX Don't give up yet ;)

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard Lol, no, but now I can only wait to see how much you need to go to the final.

Shadow Wizard

6:35 PM

@FOX9000 poor

@ShadowWizard hovel

@FOX9000 shovel

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@ShadowWizard hungrily

Shadow Wizard

6:35 PM

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FOX 9000

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Shadow Wizard

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FOX 9000

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Shadow Wizard

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FOX 9000

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Shadow Wizard

6:36 PM

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FOX 9000

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Shadow Wizard

6:37 PM

@FOX9000 Obama

FOX 9000

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Shadow Wizard

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FOX 9000

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Shadow Wizard

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FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard electoral

Shadow Wizard

6:37 PM

@FOX9000 electorate

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@FOX9000 froop

@ShadowWizard yogurt

@FOX9000 tasty

@ShadowWizard mighty

6:38 PM

@FOX9000 powerful

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard emotion

@FOX9000 sensitive

@ShadowWizard ultra

@FOX9000 mega

No associated word found for mega.

Shadow Wizard

6:39 PM

>>continue mega million

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard million

Shadow Wizard

yay, bug fixed @Pro :)

@FOX9000 people

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard elevation

Shadow Wizard

@FOX9000 aviation

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard carrier

Shadow Wizard

6:40 PM

@FOX9000 messenger

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard dowager

@FOX9000 Empress

@ShadowWizard marie

@FOX9000 marry

@ShadowWizard handsome

Shadow Wizard

6:41 PM

@FOX9000 maiden

@ShadowWizard robe

@FOX9000 magician

@ShadowWizard novice

@FOX9000 noob

haha, noob broke the bot :D

>>isalive

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard Command not found.

Shadow Wizard

6:42 PM

>>help

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard I'm FOX 9000, ProgramFOX's chatbot. You can find the source code on GitHub. You can get a list of all commands by running >>listcommands, or you can run >>help command to learn more about a specific command.

Shadow Wizard

>>latestword

FOX 9000

52 secs ago, by Shadow Wizard

@FOX9000 noob

Shadow Wizard

>>retry

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard 'recent' has a value of -1, which is not a valid message ID. Please provide an explicit ID.

Shadow Wizard

6:42 PM

>>reply 3119236

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard That word is already said in the latest 10 words. Please use another. (In case I'm mistaken, run >>rmword noob and then >>reply 3119236)

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX ^ :(

>>rmword noob

FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard Word removed from latest words.

ProgramFOX

It found a word, but rate limiting borked it. So it still added the word to the list.

Shadow Wizard

>>reply 3119236

FOX 9000

6:43 PM

Associated words found for noob, but all of them have been posted in the latest 10 messages.

Shadow Wizard

@ProgramFOX hmm... so can't be fixed?

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard beginner

@ProgramFOX latin

@FOX9000 lover

@ShadowWizard bewail

6:44 PM

@ShadowWizard It can probably be fixed. I'll have to look for the best practice in this case.

ProgramFOX

7:16 PM

gtg

>>stop

FOX 9000

@ProgramFOX Bot terminated.

Shadow Wizard

7:29 PM

@ProgramFOX OK, no rush :)

@FOX9000 prevail

rene

8:06 PM

@ShadowWizard widespread

Shadow Wizard

9:43 PM

@rene rumor

rene

@ShadowWizard gossip

Shadow Wizard

@rene whispers

rene

10:13 PM

@ShadowWizard screaming

Shadow Wizard

Good news! I devised a plan to save the stats, by supporting multiple chains then merging all the words. @berserk will have the honor of starting the new chain. All that is left is writing proper code, hope to do that tomorrow. :)

@rene pleasure :P

Currently @ber's chain got ~2000 words and the original ~51000

rene

@ShadowWizard guilty

Shadow Wizard

@rene penalty

rene

10:28 PM

@ShadowWizard panenka

Shadow Wizard

@rene 1948 (year of birth)

rene

@ShadowWizard Show

Shadow Wizard

10:44 PM

@rene Bikini (bit NSFW, naturally ;))

rene

I thought Mercedes was a car brand.... instead I get a dull video of some catwalk...

@ShadowWizard Boobs

Shadow Wizard

@rene LOL :)

@rene nipples

rene

@ShadowWizard milk

Shadow Wizard

@rene bot (yeah, that would be your bot ;))

rene

@ShadowWizard Closey

Shadow Wizard

10:57 PM

@rene genitals :D

rene

Hmm, I shoud have googled that name before I suggested it as the name of the close voters room bot...

Shadow Wizard

rofl!

You can always change the name you know :)

rene

@ShadowWizard Reproductive system

@ShadowWizard Nah, let's keep it as our secret..

Shadow Wizard

@rene you know, this reminds me... I once worked for amdocs and was part of a project called Wigloo which was an internal social network for the whole company. My GL found that Wigloo was once used as name for a porn site, but luckily it was closed few years before our project started. :P

@rene efficient

@rene deal! :D

rene

@ShadowWizard Lean

Shadow Wizard

11:10 PM

@rene bend

rene

@ShadowWizard early 2000 I was part of the web-team within a company working for the gorvernment. We needed to come-up with project ideas to do web-development for our customers. One of the members bought a video camera of our team-budget because porn was the only way to make money on the web. We weren't sure if naked ministers would sell...

@ShadowWizard Tarzan

Shadow Wizard

@rene haha, that's a good one! What happened next? ;)

@rene Piers Courage :(

rene

@ShadowWizard We used the video camera to take an image of the flag-pole of the queens palace. if the flag was raised she was at work. We had a widget that showed it on our intranet-webpage to showcase our teams capabilities

Shadow Wizard

@rene really impressive!

rene

@ShadowWizard accident

It is thursday here ... I really need to get some sleep... do you mind?

Shadow Wizard

11:30 PM

@rene not at all, nighy night! :)

rene

night!

Shadow Wizard

@rene love ;)

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