Gaming

Technically, eloggic (two Gs, it is important) also has a first rule that precedes that one, which is I (specifically me, not the speaker) am always right. Naturally a flawed logic, except it isn't because it says it isn't (while also saying it is, which is true by the second law).

Arda Xi

I should've known better before starting this at 1 am.

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi uhm. no... more like: if X == 1 then 1 == X

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas That's just saying if true then true

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi same time as for me.

Grace Note

I developed the whole thing when I realized that there are (frequent) periods of time when I make absolutely no sense. This was the method of making it make sense, and it does well at that.

Arda Xi

11:15 PM

We're talking in English, not a programming language.

alexanderpas

The "==" symbol is a relational operator.

Arda Xi

in this case, whenever I say = assume I mean 'equals'

If X equals 1, then 1 equals X.

alexanderpas

Equals sign

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Arda Xi

May I remind you that English is not a Pascal-like programming language?

Grace Note

Whoa, nice break there

We also use just "=" in our logic courses, and in fundamentals of mathematics

alexanderpas

11:18 PM

Arda Xi

Alex, believe me, one equals sign will suffice for the purposes of conversation.

Grace Note

A relational operator is a construct in Computer Science specifically.

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi I now, I was just having some fun.

@GraceNote YOU WIN!

Arda Xi

I said the same thing by remarking that English is not a programming language...

Grace Note

I'll transfer the victory to @Arda

alexanderpas

11:21 PM

Grace Note

I've got more than enough high scores under my belt.

I also already have that coupon.

Arda Xi

That's okay, I do not feel the need for gratification at this time.

alexanderpas

Hi @Mana (this type of greeting works always)

Arda Xi

Works to accomplish what?

alexanderpas

greeting without specifying weither it is morning or evening.

Grace Note

11:26 PM

I enjoy "Eve". I also say "Aftoon", though

Arda Xi

How do you call the part in between Eve and Aftoon?

Grace Note

I don't remember where I came up with the idea to shorten it like that, but it was sometime during college.

FallenAngelEyes

Prevening!

Grace Note

@Arda Aftoon rides into Eve.

Arda Xi

The opposite part

Grace Note

11:27 PM

That? Morn, usually.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Post-Eve but Pre-Aftoon

Ah, right

Grace Note

Noon is too short a time to exist

Arda Xi

Noon is only one specific moment, it is not a duration.

Grace Note

So as far as I care Morn slides into Aftoon

alexanderpas

and how would you call the last missing part?

Grace Note

11:28 PM

But I also figured that Daytime only lasts 10 hours, while Nighttime lasts 14 hours.

Eve glides into Morn, so no missing part.

Arda Xi

Depends on how you look at it I guess

Grace Note

Daytime is when the 10s digit of the hour is 1. Nighttime is when it is 0 or 2. That's my going theory.

Arda Xi

so 0900 is Eve?

My Morn starts at 0500

Grace Note

I'm probably not awake enough by then, aye

Well, no, it's still Morn

Just still Nighttime

Arda Xi

Ah.. my Daytime starts at 0500 as well

Well... not technically.. only during summer I guess

Daytime is the duration of time between Sunrise and Sunset.

Grace Note

11:30 PM

I figure the Day doesn't truly start until around 10:00. Then real activity lasts all the way till 19:59, that's when things slow down and it becomes a horrible night to have a curse.

FallenAngelEyes

My day usually starts somewhere after noon because I hate mornings

I wish more places were open here at night :(

Arda Xi

I guess convention differs from person to person.

alexanderpas

Morn: 0700-1100; Aftnoon : 1200-1700; Eve: 1800-2200; Night 2300-0600

Arda Xi

There are of course those who have like 1 hour of sleep each night spread out over naps of 20 minutes

FallenAngelEyes

I have a friend who did that for a while @ArdaXi

Arda Xi

11:33 PM

Eve covers Night, @Alex

It's not really something you can do for a while, sadly

It breaks you up completely

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, he had to stop because his body couldn't take it

Grace Note

Depends on your abilities, really

Arda Xi

nobody can just slide into having 20 minutes of sleep every so often

rather than one chunk

FallenAngelEyes

I've read there that there are people who can manage that through training

Grace Note

I managed one day when I was abruptly awoken after 30 minutes of sleep, and it ended up being sufficient

Arda Xi

11:34 PM

I have a book on it

FallenAngelEyes

I have no desire to become one of those people

Arda Xi

It's called Hypersleep

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, that's the name, I couldn't think of it

Arda Xi

although there is also a schedule of someone having one corenap of 3 hours and two naps of 20 minutes

FallenAngelEyes

Right

Arda Xi

11:35 PM

unfortunately due to school I couldn't manage it, otherwise I definitely would

Grace Note

That sounds like my roommate from college

FallenAngelEyes

I think it's an interesting experiment

Grace Note

Except I'm not really sure sleep occurred every day or not.

Arda Xi

If it doesn't you're dead for a week

FallenAngelEyes

It's difficult for me to wake up. If I don't set an alarm, I can easily sleep 12+ hours a day.

Arda Xi

11:36 PM

On that schedule, missing one nap is like not sleeping for a day

alexanderpas

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Grace Note

But it definitely was common for an exchange in the morning of "Good morning!" ; "Good night!"

Arda Xi

Missing an entire day will be like not sleeping for a week

I sleep about 6 hours every night. As long as the duration remains stable I'm completely alert the entire day.

FallenAngelEyes

Though sometimes I also go through stints of sleeping 12 hours, being awake 30-36, then sleeping another 12 or something

Arda Xi

Regardless of whether that's 2 am to 8 am (on breaks) or 11 pm to 5 am (on schooldays)

FallenAngelEyes

11:37 PM

You need to get up at 5am for school? Oy

Grace Note

There were actually two individuals. My roommate basically exchanged sleep for food, while the other exchanged food for sleep. The latter subsisted an entire week on a single bar of chocolate.

Gaming

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Q: How do you orient a girder in Worms Reloaded?

In older worms games it was possible to rotate and resize the girder before placing it, but I can't seem to figure out how to do it in the new game. Is this still possible? If so, how? I looked through the default controls and there didn't seem to be any mention of the girder.

worms-reloaded

Arda Xi

@FallenAngelEyes I don't have to. I just do.

alexanderpas

@FallenAngelEyes I know the 12-30 cycle a bit too well...

FallenAngelEyes

If I go to sleep at 7pm and sleep 12 hours to wake at 7am, it's still difficult for me to feel awake. I just don't function well in the morning.

Grace Note

11:39 PM

My sleep schedule is generally <time of bed> until 5:00.

FallenAngelEyes

I don't like seeing sunrise unless I've been up the night before. Always been a night person.

I just feel more awake, can concentrate more, can get more done.

Grace Note

Time varies from 10 hours to 4 hours, but I feel the same rest either way. On average I sleep 9 hours I expect.

alexanderpas

@FallenAngelEyes total agreement from this side.

Grace Note

I can't operate at night time very well. I do much better by sleeping and waking up

FallenAngelEyes

I don't like going to sleep before midnight because I feel like I'm wasting the night.

That's been exacerbated by moving to the NL

alexanderpas

11:40 PM

@ArdaXi just like my improvements to the anyhub script, that was a night project.

Arda Xi

@FallenAngelEyes That's why I don't like to stay in bed after 9 am

The entire day, the feeling haunts me that it is earlier than it really is, and that annoys me

Grace Note

Agreed. @Arda. Hate a wasted morning

Arda Xi

It actually sticks with me the entire day. I think it's 4 pm, and it's actually 8 pm

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, I imagine that'd suck

like having the feeling of "Ah it's Friday... wait, it's Wednesday :("

Grace Note

Especially on Weekends. I have to go to work early in the morning, so I have to sleep early. So missing out on any morning basically means my weekend is cut short by half.

FallenAngelEyes

11:42 PM

Yeah, I try to keep my sleep schedule in check on the weekends for that reason @Grace

otherwise I don't get to spend a lot of time with my boyfriend

Grace Note

Always a good thing

Being able to spend time, that is

Arda Xi

the mere reason I keep my sleep schedule in check on the weekends is because otherwise I cannot get up at 5 during the week

alexanderpas

spending time toghether with the ones you love is always a good thing.

FallenAngelEyes

But yeah, late nights for me have only gotten later by moving here, as my only way to talk with/spend time with my friends and family back in the US is by staying up late

Grace Note

True, when you've got a distance issue it does make things much more difficult

FallenAngelEyes

11:45 PM

I found that being on a normal circadian rhythm makes it so I practically can never talk to my friends in California. :(

9 hours difference is just enough so that if I wake in the morning, they are heading to bed or already sleeping, and by the time they get up, go to school/work and get back, I'd be heading to bed.

So while I still can, I don't mind keeping my sleep schedule messed up if it means I can spend time with the people I care about.

Once I can go to university here, that'll likely change, but I can't yet, so

Grace Note

Can't?

alexanderpas

time for the related xkcd:

FallenAngelEyes

You need to have a Dutch language proficiency diploma in order to attend university here if you moved here

alexanderpas

FallenAngelEyes

I have the first level one, which fulfilled the requirement I needed to do for residency stuff

But if you want to go to university, you need the second level diploma

Which I'll be taking at the end of September

Arda Xi

11:48 PM

@alexanderpas I wonder if anyone has escalated that to the level they did geohashing

FallenAngelEyes

(and hopefully passing crosses fingers)

Grace Note

Ooh, I see

Good luck, then!

FallenAngelEyes

Thank you!

Arda Xi

Succes :-)

FallenAngelEyes

I moved here in the middle of undergrad, but because of the difference in American and Dutch university systems, none of my credit stuff can really transfer here because I hadn't specifically started on my diploma yet.

en bedankt :)

Grace Note

11:50 PM

What's your degree gonna be on?

FallenAngelEyes

I... am not sure in all honesty. That's what I was trying to figure out while still in undergrad back in the US. I'm currently thinking about going to Leiden University for Linguistics.

Grace Note

Do you know what your passion is?

FallenAngelEyes

Too much. :) And I've got an internal conflict with that whole "Do what makes you happy or do what you can make a career out of" thing. I'm afraid there won't be much crossover.

alexanderpas

this would be cool: PhD in Gaming/Simulation, Delft University of Technology

FallenAngelEyes

It's a question that's been on my mind a lot lately.

Grace Note

11:53 PM

What would you say are the skills you actually enjoy using?

FallenAngelEyes

@alexanderpas: ...that is very intriguing and I'm bookmarking to read that tomorrow, thanks

Grace Note

If game design interests you, I recommend concentrating on what you enjoy most about it and getting a major in that, than getting a generic Gaming degree.

Every game design recruiter I've talked to across the world has made it clear that any related degree, especially Computer Science, is far more valuable than a Gaming one.

Arda Xi

Funny, I had the same conversation with Ivo here a week ago

Grace Note

I'm assuming it's funny because the opposite conclusion was drawn?

FallenAngelEyes

I am very passionate about gaming, but I'm not sure about getting a degree in it. I'm worried about my ability to succeed in the field. I love linguistics and the little details about the building blocks of language. I have good communication and people skills, as well as management skills, but I don't know if I'd be happy being in a management position all the time (though I do find it rewarding).

Arda Xi

11:57 PM

Not really, just the coincidence

Grace Note

Ah

Arda Xi

it didn't even reach a conclusion then

Grace Note

@Fallen Only get a degree in gaming if that's what you really want to do. It's very limiting otherwise.

FallenAngelEyes

I don't have a lot of skill or experience in CompSci. :( I don't know how to code or anything. :/

Yeah, I know :/

Grace Note

Do you enjoy writing, mostly, or linguistics in itself?

A friend of mine was a linguistics major, he now works an enjoyable job as a translator, though apparently he loved his temp job as a barrista just as well.

FallenAngelEyes

11:59 PM

Both. I like reading and learning about the rules of language, phonemes, stuff like that. I also enjoy creative writing. And yeah, I've very seriously thought about doing some sort of translation/interpretation job.

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