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7:00 PM
I've just discovered that as well as not working on Linux, the flight sim game I have also does not run on Vista :(
 
@Macha doesn't run on wine?
 
not even in some form of compatibility mode?
 
@alexanderpas Nope. Garbage ranking.
@en1gmatic325 Trying now.
 
@Macha then there is no hope...
 
Actually, that's the new version.
No ranking for this version.
 
7:03 PM
Shoudn't you be playing DF BTW ;)
 
fingers crossed Installer running.
@alexanderpas I have the first season done. Need to write it up.
 
I have two elephants that would make a great addition to my army, but they aren't hauled so I can't use them, so frustrating
 
@alexanderpas Also need to resize all my screenshots.
Also, too tired to play DF atm
Got woken up at 4am this morning :(
 
that's not fun.
 
The DVD drive sounds like it's having a seizure...
Is there a "Yes, I really mean it, eject the bloody disc" command in Windows?
 
7:10 PM
right click on drive, eject disk.
 
Alternatively, paperclip
 
@ArdaXi Laptop drive
 
@ArdaXi yeah, paperclip :D
 
or, screwdriver
 
@Macha Paperclip.
@en1gmatic325 That's so destructive
 
7:11 PM
take out the drive
 
Oh damn. Explorer is dead.
brb, rebooting.
 
@Macha Oh Carp, it won't reboot.
 
Nope. Drive seizure again. sigh, I'll make an ISO and install from that.
 
You'll get a Drive seizure during ISO creation.
 
Surprisingly not. I had another game (Railroad Tycoon 3) did the same thing.
Dear Java: NO I DO NOT WANT TO UPDATE YOU RIGHT NOW. GET THE PICTURE!
 
7:20 PM
(I once actually had a CD literally explode into small pieces inside my drive)
 
Seriously, it pops up half an hour after boot sometimes, minimising (and depending on the game, crashing) what I'm playing.
 
a message from Java: Dear Macha, maybe you don't understand, there is an update available
clearly you want this update
 
@Macha Updating might help.
 
and you want it as soon as possible
 
@alexanderpas But then they have another one next time I boot windows.
 
7:21 PM
THIS UPDATE IS FLAWLESS! UPDATE NOW!
 
Actually, for that matter, what uses Java anyway?
 
hardly anything lately
 
the interwebs, sometimes
 
That stupid Football Manager 2007 installer that doesn't actually work.
 
android
 
7:23 PM
You had to click "Next" about a billion times on the 4th step.
 
@en1gmatic325 That's true, I need Java for Eclipse.
 
android doesn't use java, it uses a java fork.
 
@en1gmatic325 Android doesn't use the Java runtime. It ses Dalvik.
@alexanderpas It's not even a fork
@alexanderpas They've a compiler that compiles Java Bytecode to Dalvik code.
 
@Macha Err.. it still uses Java
@Macha Ever since Android 2.2, yes.
 
@alexanderpas To get around Sun/Oracle's patents
Hence lawsuit atm.
Because Oracle are trolls.
 
7:24 PM
and I use java very frequently
but that is for programming
 
runescape uses java.
 
1.2x read speed. Umm.. Ok... "There's your problem"
 
1.2? o.O
 
@en1gmatic325 I'd never use Java if I didn't need it to develop for Android
 
1.2x DVD or 1.2x CD
 
7:26 PM
Change of plan 2: Let's see what I have in steam
@alexanderpas The disc is a CD, so I'm presuming CD
 
The whole Oracle thing gave me a whole new perspective on using C#
 
@Macha Alien Swarm?
 
**. The disc is hot coming out.
 
@Macha that would be an explosion sensitive disk.
 
I had to use objective c for a class recently
I was not pleased
 
7:28 PM
@en1gmatic325 I sympathise.
 
7 mins ago, by alexanderpas
(I once actually had a CD literally explode into small pieces inside my drive)
 
Ouch. So did my uncle, actually
 
I don't even like the iPhone
 
I haven't had a DVD drive for a year now
 
(or macs in general, for that matter)
 
7:29 PM
Also, on the Obj-C thing. I once considered doing an iPhone app. Here are the steps to do it on Linux (i.e. without buying a €1700 dongle): saurik.com/id/4 . I decided to leave it.
 
I don't like Java, but I like Android, so I'll have to make do.
 
yeah, I borrowed my roommates mac for the project
 
@Macha tl;dr
2
 
rather than trying to develop for iphone on a non-mac
 
Also, the .dmg s for the iOS 4.0 sdk are different again, so I actually couldn't extract them :(
Anyone want to add me on Steam btw?
 
7:31 PM
Sure, one sec
 
sure
 
@ArdaXi Sent you a friend request a while back anyway, I think
 
never got one afaik
 
Oh, kk
 
7:32 PM
I have only got group invites lately
 
yeah, stupid group invites
 
Steam claims you're already in my list
wow, that's the 5th wedding this month
I wonder if anyone has bothered to do anything with the OSW project yet
I might make a Steam-XMPP relay once I'm sufficiently bored
 
OSW?
 
I figured you of all people would have heard of Facepunch @Macha
OpenSteamWorks
 
if anyone here cares to add me on sc2... Harbinger#279
 
7:36 PM
I once made my own utility to fake playing L4D2 before it came out.. great way to troll people
 
@ArdaXi I have made a post on Facepunch
 
anyway, it's a project that allows you to interface with Steam's APIs
 
Too big for my liking
 
including using the friend chat part without having steam running
which allows for a steam chat client sans-steam
 
Cool.
 
7:37 PM
so I could probably make an XMPP relay
 
How long until someone makes a Steam <> IRC link?
 
Never I pray
Why IRC?
 
Because it's like the simplest chat protocol on earth.
 
Steam <> SE chat link :D
 
it's one of the worst protocols I could imagine for this
IRC is one of the worst chat protocols ever to have been created
 
7:38 PM
@alexanderpas We can only dream.
 
anyway.. an XMPP relay is actually feasible
 
@ArdaXi Yet it's the one surviving part of pre-web Internet. It must have done something right. (Well, unless you count email)
 
@Macha Be the only one available?
That's all it did right
same goes for email
 
Why is it still here then?
 
all grandfathered in
 
7:39 PM
And larger than before?
 
Grandfather principle
 
I'll be honest. I like IRC.
 
I meh IRC
 
I like it from the front-end, sure
 
What parts of it don't you like?
 
7:40 PM
try coding with it
 
The lack of proper authentication?
 
alright, there's one
 
:SERVER command args :Long arg
Or just

command args :Long arg
What's so hard with that?
 
the whole protocol is just horrible.. due to age
anyway, let's not get too off-topic
 
why not?
 
7:42 PM
most people who use IRC will be able to use XMPP
 
Remembering to make my bots send out a PING every 30 seconds or so when idle is annoying
 
and XMPP is a much better choice for IM than IRC
 
XMPP uses XML, for crying out loud.
 
though minor
 
@Macha as does HTTP
your point?
it's the most-used open IM protocol around
 
7:43 PM
@ArdaXi HTTP does not always use XML
HTML, CSS, JSON, anything goes over HTTP
 
@Macha SGML, even worse
 
I am signed on 3 xmpp accounts right now
 
@Macha I'm talking about Hyper Text Transfer Protocol
 
I think I last signed on IRC 5+ years ago
 
in this case, HTML
anyway, XML isn't that bad
it's worse than JSON of course
 
7:45 PM
It's the most overused and abused format ever.
 
@Macha Surely that would be email.
XML beats JSON at human readability though
 
@ArdaXi Couldn't tell you. I don't email people :P
 
regardless
There's no IM protocol using JSON
 
@ArdaXi How?
 
so I'm going with XMPP
 
7:46 PM
<File>
<stuff>Details</stuff>
</File>
 
missing push functionality.
 
What else should I use
 
versus
{
stuff: 'Details'
}
 
that's way too simplistic
regardless, what else should I use then?
 
7:48 PM
So.. XMPP it is.
Seeing as I'm not bothering with any of the XML directly
 
Fair enough
 
And all I need is a well-supported open format
XMPP fits that perfectly
plus, that way people can talk to people using steam through gtalk
or another XMPP client
 
XMPP is probably closer to Steam's protocol anyway. Since IRC is mainly for rooms, while XMPP is mainly for people to people. And Steam doesn't have rooms. I'm just saying I personally prefer coding with the simplicity of the IRC protocol :P
 
steam has rooms.
 
It does?
 
7:52 PM
XMPP has rooms
 
Not the main usage though
IRC also has person to person chats.
 
aye
 
see.
 
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Q: What does the timer *below* the pursuit meter mean?

ZoogieZorkIn Need for Speed: World, when you enter pursuit mode by ramming a cop, the escaped/busted meter will appear on the HUD with a little countdown timer at the bottom. I know that the number on the right is the number of cops chasing you, but what does the timer actually mean? All I've been able...

 
Steam just crashed. Yay...
 
7:54 PM
mine too :D
 
Oh, wait it's back
Just freezes on being kicked and causes Vista to grey it out.
 
lol!
 
don't do that again @alexanderpas
 
Anyway, I believe I was going to play a game. See you later.
 
anyone else up for Alien Swarm?
 
8:02 PM
not unless they severely improved it
 
explain.
 
I will not play the game Alien Swarm unless a patch has been released which improves the quality of the game to the point where it becomes enjoyable once more.
does that answer your question?
 
what are your complaints?
 
Lack of deep gameplay, hardly replayable, little good campaigns
I want to buy a better CPU so DF plays faster
well.. not just for that.. I still need a better CPU
 
Yeah, I get bored of Alien Swarm quickly
Also, this page is wrong:
Does not support 1440x900 :(
 
8:17 PM
0
Q: When is an Archon better than two Dark Templars?

ripper234With High Templars, you merge them when their energy is low. When would you merge two Dark Templars to form an Archon?

 
@Macha It doesn't really say it does
only that it supports widescreen
another starcraft 2 question ASSDFDSAFAFDAS
Please, please, please, someone make an sc2.stackexchange.com proposal
 
@Macha at least you've played more than 12m 9sec (looking at you @ArdaXi)
 
And what is the third most common widescreen resolution? store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
 
@alexanderpas I've played much longer than that
 
After full HD, and for some reason, 1680x1050
 
8:20 PM
@alexanderpas Shows as 2 hours here
 
Shows that you've played 2.6 here
 
@Macha Standard resolution for widescreen monitors below 24''
 
My 19" and 17" widescreen monitors are both 1440x900...
19" TV, but w/e
 
betwen 22''-24'' then at least
@alexanderpas weird
 
8:23 PM
Is that online only?
 
@Macha it's the "true" playtime, actually spend in missions online.
 
@alexanderpas Yeah I've spent more than 12 minutes in missions.
 
I need a new mouse :(
 
versus
 
8:28 PM
 
yeah, the white part is faulty
 
white part is you, red part is me.
 
red part might be you, but white part isn't me
just believe me on this, I've played more than 12 minutes of the game
 
I believe you, i'm just reporting facts (as steam presents them) now.
 
8:31 PM
I can fix them if you want
 
hehe lol
 
better?
 
How do 1% of Steam users have 2mb of video RAM? store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
 
@alexanderpas It's now on 20h
which is 10x the amount Steam itself reports
rather than .01x
 
Anyway, see you all tomorow.
 
8:35 PM
too obvious:
 
I'm not going to fix all of those
takes too much time
that game isn't worth it anyway
 
@ArdaXi technically, you can't say that, as it is free ;)
 
@alexanderpas Surely I can. The value is time-based
it's not worth the time.
:)
 
@ArdaXi annoying markdown.
 
aye
 
8:38 PM
:)
@ArdaXi Moonbase Alpha is even worse.
altrough the TTS is handy.
 
8:52 PM
@alexanderpas definitely
 
9:48 PM
akldfja;dfa over an hour delay on the A4 at 10 frigging 30 at night ><
 
which?
This is a list of roads designated A4. A4 is the name of several roads: * A004 road (Argentina), a road connecting Buenos Aires-La Plata highway with the Juan María Gutiérrez circle * A4 motorway (Austria), a road connecting Vienna and Nickelsdorf on the Hungarian border * A4 highway (Australia) may refer to : ** A4 highway (Queensland), a road connecting Rockhampton with the Landsborough Highway at Barcaldine ** A4 highway (Tasmania), a road connecting the Midland Highway with the Tasman Highway * A4 motorway (Belgium), a road connecting Brussel and the A6 in Luxembourg * A4 road (China) ...
 
Fairly sure it's ours :)
 
tussen Amsterdam en Delft
 
That's pretty much the entire road :P
You meant to say tussen Zoeterwoude-Dorp en Leidschendam :P
 
don't forget the part in rotterdam ;)
 
9:52 PM
wegwerkzaamheden, we waren in Leiderdorp bij en vriend vandaag
I didn't know how specific you wanted me to be :P
normally a 20 minute drive, took an hour and 20 to get home, blargh
 
that means... you have been driving less then 20 km/h on that part...
 
Not necessarily
 
Say, @alexanderpas, when did you become all brainiac? :P
 
round 10km/h for a long time
 
9:55 PM
@ArdaXi Always've been
 
Bleh.
So, anything interesting happen today?
 
@alexanderpas To me more precise, when did you start expressing it?
 
@FallenAngelEyes (I doubled my first estimate)
 
Earlier today you were throwing everything this site has to offer in statistics at us
:)
 
first estimate?
 
9:58 PM
@FallenAngelEyes distance between Zoeterwoude-Dorp & Leidschendam / delay
 
Usually driving speed over a distance that is subject to delays isn't constant.
 
as long as the road is not closed (due to accident), traffic is to be assumed still moving.
 
I hate traffic jams
 
@alexanderpas I didn't deny that, I'm saying that said movement isn't occurring at a constant speed.
 
10:01 PM
moved to the entirely wrong country :P
 
@ArdaXi to counter that, I doubled my estimate.
 
@alexanderpas Seeing as you do have the guaranteed average speed, if that doubled speed is reached it will only be for a maximum of 50% of the distance
tl;dr; you should've stuck with the initial average :)
 
@FallenAngelEyes I prefer traffic jams over collapsing bridges...
The I-35W Mississippi River bridge (officially known as Bridge 9340) was an eight-lane, steel truss arch bridge that carried Interstate 35W across the Mississippi River in Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States. During the evening rush hour on August 1, 2007, it suddenly collapsed, killing 13 people and injuring 145. The bridge was Minnesota's fifth busiest, carrying 140,000 vehicles daily. Immediately after the collapse, help came from mutual aid in the seven-county Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area and emergency response personnel, charities, and volunteers. City and county empl...
@FallenAngelEyes WTF? that image is not even in the article (golden gate showing up here.)
 
Yeah I remember when that happened cuz I have friends in Minneapolis
I never experienced traffic jams growing up so I'm not used to them at all. They drive me nuts.
Haha, weird
 
at last we don't have gridlocks here...
Gridlock is a term describing an inability to move on a transport network. The term originates from a situation possible in a grid plan where intersections are blocked, preventing vehicles from either moving forwards through the intersection or backing up to an upstream intersection. The term gridlock is also widely used to describe high traffic congestion with minimal flow (a "traffic jam"), whether or not a blocked grid system is involved. By extension, the term has been applied to situations in other fields where flow is stalled by excess demand, or in which competing interests prev...
 
10:11 PM
Pff.. if those red cars would just turn right the problem would be solved entirely
 
Worst one I've been in was in Canada on the way to Toronto. They shut down an entire section of the highway and there wasn't any notification for it. Got stuck in it and it took me 3 hours to move 3 miles. :(
 
that's 1mph
 
I was wondering how long it would take for you to say that
 
30 seconds.
 
Ended up taking the next available exit I could, getting lost cuz I had no idea where I was anymore cuz I had to take a detour from my planned route and had some really really nice person let me follow them somewhere I could get back to a highway
Ended up arriving 5 hours later than planned
 
10:14 PM
let's see... 3 hour delay, 2 hour detour... not bad for north america.
 
Which sucked cuz I was supposed to be meeting someone and had no way to tell them what was going on
 
10:56 PM
I kinda removed my bootloader...
 

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