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12:20 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
I posted a related question here: What is the evidence that this specific answer is AI-generated? - Meta Stack Overflow, but it got closed and deleted rather quickly without an answer. — Timur Shtatland 31 secs ago
 
12:45 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Specifically, it was closed as a duplicate of "How can we determine whether an answer used ChatGPT?" on which I have an answer saying that we've don't provide the details of how we determine something was AI generated, as doing so would provide those posting AI-generated content information that would enable them to make it harder for us to detect the content. It was also closed as a duplicate of "Temporary policy: Generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT) is banned" — Makyen 35 secs ago
 
12:56 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Specifically, it was closed as a duplicate of "How can we determine whether an answer used ChatGPT?" on which I have an answer saying that we don't provide the details of how we determine something was AI generated, as doing so would provide those posting AI-generated content information that would enable them to make it harder for us to detect the content. It was also closed as a duplicate of "Temporary policy: Generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT) is banned" — Makyen just now
 
1:20 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Also to be more specific regarding your statement that you flagged the answer you've linked asking for it to be undeleted: You flagged the answer asking for undeletion with the expressed reason for undeleting being solely that you wanted to give it a bounty. That, in itself, would only be a valid reason for undeleting a post if it was deleted in error or if it was deleted for some other inappropriate reason (e.g., such as a user rage quitting), neither of which aren't the case for that answer. — Makyen 29 secs ago
 
1:33 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
To be more specific regarding the statement that you flagged the answer asking for it to be undeleted: You flagged the answer asking for undeletion with the expressed reason for undeleting being solely that you wanted to give it a bounty. That reason, in itself, would only be a valid reason for undeleting a post if it was deleted in error or if it was deleted for some other inappropriate reason (e.g., such as a user rage quitting), neither of which are the case for that answer. — Makyen just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
If anyone's looking into this, see the comments on the first post the author linked for more context. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 52 secs ago
 
 
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5:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1176409
What is “Banoo is fantastic”? Is it a spam question? — user1176409 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
This is a strict question and answer network, not social media. Your "What should I do? " is off-topic anywhere here. Flagged as VLQ — W.O. 39 secs ago
 
6:35 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Old Pro
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog It irks me that this feature-request question has been closed as a duplicate when it is 4 years older than the post that it supposedly duplicates, which is itself not a duplicate, but rather an announcement of the implementation of the requested feature (or at least a something close enough). I believe the proper protocol is to provide an answer to this question, referencing the post announcing the implementation, and tagging the question with status-completed. Please fix. — Old Pro 18 secs ago
 
7:27 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Here on Meta, it is allowed to close questions as duplicates even if they're merely related, in certain cases. There's also plenty of precedent for closing feature requests as duplicates of announcements of the requested changes: see here and here, for instance. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 44 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Arjan
@Fe2O3 yeah a lot has changed as for the quality on Stack Exchange, since I wrote my response back in 2012. I myself actually hardly use SO as a one-stop to search for answers anymore, though of course sometimes Google will get me here after all. — Arjan 29 secs ago
 
8:03 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard Love Zelda
The decision has already been made, at first I wasn't sure if it's good or bad, you did convince me it's bad and I used the only weapon I have which is downvoting the announcement. Not that it will help, even with 10000 downvotes, they would still do it, as they proved way too many times. Anyhow, thanks for the explanation and the nice way of putting it. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 59 secs ago
 
8:31 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Robert Longson
You may have to accept that some questions don't have an appropriate site. — Robert Longson 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marijn
If you suspect the answer is related to Christianity then you could try Christianity. — Marijn 53 secs ago
 
 
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9:56 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dor1000
as far as SO, lang should get priority. note when you search on SE it checks tags from all subsites. i wish it was consistent. I sometimes say RP for gaming. but not rp game. rpg-gaming isnt terrible. its just one redundant letter. i see IBM RPG in wikipedia. (i have no idea what that is.) — Dor1000 14 secs ago
 
10:12 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by nullmatrix
A site about knowledge that puts bureaucracy of questions perfectly fitting into discrete categories before the knowledge of the question is more about categorisation than it is about knowledge. — nullmatrix 21 secs ago
 
10:31 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
You can always propose a new site if there's a gap to fall through. See: How can I propose a new site? Though, check area 51 first to see if it's already in progress. — W.O. 51 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by toolic
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Ah, a duplicate then. If I'd been a coder then maybe I'd have known the search terms. @toolic — W.O. 10 secs ago
 
10:56 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by toolic
You're welcome. I wish they would fix it or at least acknowledge that it is a problem by adding one of the "status" tags as has been done on MSO. — toolic 20 secs ago
 
11:08 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard Love Zelda
Please add the workaround as answer. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 52 secs ago
 
11:44 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by KNVCSG
@AaronBertrand I can't share it because it is too long to be shared through the comment section. This is exactly why I am asking this question. — KNVCSG 32 secs ago
 
11:57 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
Thank you for the thoughtful answer, I upvoted it! Before deciding to encourage or discourage the behavior (allegedly, posting "inaccurate AI content or plagiarism"), I tried to find the evidence for this claim. I posted a question on MSO: What is the evidence that this specific answer is AI-generated? - Meta Stack Overflow. Unfortunately, my question was quickly closed & deleted. Since no evidence was presented, in my view the answer author is innocent until proven guilty. — Timur Shtatland 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
On the other hand, we don't discuss suspensions without the express permission of the party involved, and for moderation decisions, the correct way to appeal is to the community team or reply, not in public. That said, in general we take suspensions very seriously, and OP would have been informed what the violations were - either in the mod message or on request — Journeyman Geek 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
Thank you for the thoughtful answer, I upvoted it, even though I disagree with the characterization of "perverse" (because of its multiple meanings). :) No offense taken, though - I see your point exactly. IIUC, by "perverse" you mean "wanting to knowingly reward bad behavior". Your answer is certainly thought-provoking. I will try to address your points in the comments below. — Timur Shtatland 56 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
I have seen no evidence for the alleged bad behavior. Before deciding to encourage/discourage the behavior (allegedly, posting "inaccurate AI content or plagiarism"), I tried to find evidence for this claim. I posted a question on MSO: What is the evidence that this specific answer is AI-generated? - Meta Stack Overflow. Unfortunately, my question was quickly closed & deleted. Since no evidence was presented, in my view the answer author is innocent until proven guilty.Timur Shtatland 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
Hence, here is my response to the valid points you raised. "Frame challenge 1: Do you still think such an answerer is a good person to consult about this question of yours?" I do have a few questions to the answerer, but cannot post them under their answer. This is because the answer is deleted and the user is suspended. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking on my project at work, and my questions are pressing. So yes, this answerer is a good person to consult about this question of mine. But I cannot do this - not yet, at any rate. — Timur Shtatland 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
@KNVCSG Nobody asked for your code in a comment. Have you never asked or seen a question with code that has lines as long as you're talking about? If not, couldn't you share a picture of it, the same picture you would have put in your question? — Aaron Bertrand 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
Re: "Frame challenge 2: Don't you want to wait until you have no more questions about an answer to award it a bounty?" Ideally, yes. But the bounty was set to end soon (it already ended by now), I did want to award it specifically to this answerer. My questions about the answer cannot be asked (the user is suspended, and the question is deleted). So my question have to wait until the situation changes. In the meantime, I wanted to award the bounty to this user. Anyway, I ended up awarding the bounty to a different good answer, so this point is moot by default. — Timur Shtatland 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
Yes, I agree. The moderators followed the rules, and a few people have made the point you just made. I understand this point and see the rationale for it. Thank you again. — Timur Shtatland 7 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Timur Shtatland
@Makyen Thank you for your explanations. I understand the points you made, and agree with the rationale for them. I especially appreciate your patience in explaining these issues to me, given that the amount of AI-generated content must be huge on SO/SE. I am also using this opportunity to thank you and your moderation team colleagues for all your wonderful work and for your efforts to keep this site clean! — Timur Shtatland 41 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Nicole B
@Aaron Thank you. — Nicole B 41 secs ago
 
12:55 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
@KNVCSG If you want to link to github or some other 3rd party repository you can, but the question or answer must be able to exist without it. And if your issue is your lines are too long, why would sending someone to another web site to see lines that long be any better for their experience than viewing those same long lines here? If they are using a phone or narrow browser or aren't able to scroll horizontally very efficiently, long lines that force them to scroll horizontally are going to make them do that no matter where you put them. — Aaron Bertrand 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by terdon
Why is this being downvoted? The OP is perfectly polite and asking a reasonable question. "Where would this Q be on scope" is a common question and absolutely on topic here. — terdon 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
 
1:25 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1176409
Why did you ask at here? Why not Meta Stack Exchange? — user1176409 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard Love Zelda
We get such a rant almost every day, and when it's asked properly I close it as duplicate of this. But you are here just to accuse, and nothing more, so no point in that. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Other than that SO has its own meta site, you're probably going to get a much better response - might I even say an educational one, if you're not being all accusatory-like. People don't respond well to being called a 'malefactor' or accused of lying. I'd point you at the code of conduct and the simple rule of 'Be Nice' from the early days. — Journeyman Geek 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
It is not one malefactor, it is three! And you can point your pitchfork at the flag link under your question to "report" these users but be warned that your flag wil get declined. The question is closed correctly as it doesn't appear to be a programming problem. And explaining why you see the differences and/or how to optimize is hardly a programming problem, given those numbers are system-wide. Maybe Super User take that kind of questions. — rene 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
"What program is using memory?" is not a programming question. Maybe if it was about your application or script and asking how to fix a specific portion of the code so that it used less memory. Or if you showed code you were trying to write to determine memory usage by application for yourself. If it's not your application and you suspect a memory leak that's likely a support question for that vendor. Even "write code for me that tells me which program is using memory" would not be a good fit for Stack Overflow. — Aaron Bertrand 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
The three people who closed your question have a combined 30 years of experience on Stack Overflow, so it shouldn't be surprising that many people will agree with their judgment about what is or isn't on-topic on that site. — Aaron Bertrand 57 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
Back when you posted this on Meta Stack Overflow you were told to not ascribe malice to users. I don't see why you think it's a good idea to come to Meta Stack Exchange and just continue the same behaviour. You seem to truly are out to "get" others which does make you the malefactor - the one maligning others. You are knowingly doing this, so I see no excuse here. — VLAZ 49 secs ago
 
2:05 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by πάντα ῥεῖ
Stop calling site curators "malefactors" @thomas That's extremely offensive and rude. — πάντα ῥεῖ 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kamil Maciorowski
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda The main question is: "Can you fix this globally, so I can simply (without tricks) see images posted on Stack Exchange?" It is addressed to the powers/devs/etc. of Stack Exchange and/or Cloudflare (indirectly). My workaround is a trick in this context, it's totally not an answer. — Kamil Maciorowski 52 secs ago
 
2:49 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Hi Bevin NIno, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 5 secs ago
 
3:33 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Marijn
@W.O. although your comment is of course factually correct, it seems impractical (to say the least) to suggest starting a new site for a question that is at the crossroads of existing topics - and should therefore IMO be on-topic on at least one of Medical Sciences, Politics, and Christianity, if not all. — Marijn 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Cont.: I'd urge the OP to try and isolate out the aspects that may be on-topic on a particular site and ask there. They'd need greater familiarity with the network to do that effectively, or a set of sandboxes where there are none at present. — W.O. 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Fair to say, but the idea of a sociology stack has been mentioned numerous times. Perhaps there's the momentum now (or shall be at some point) for sufficient numbers to engage in that. As to the question - on-topicness will depend to a great extent on the way it's formulated. I can confirm that when I read it on medical sciences it was formulated in a way that was almost entirely off-topic. @Marijn — W.O. 47 secs ago
 
3:51 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by nullmatrix
If you can tell me which site to post it on, I can reformulate the question, but the question has several different aspects. Circumcision is unique to American Christianity more than any other country's christianity and it happens across branches (catholicism, mainline protestant, evangelicalism, etc). It is also subsidised by certain states' medicaid programs. — nullmatrix 7 secs ago
 
4:23 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Elements In Space
So you don’t want other formatting sandboxes (such as this one on music.SE) to go into the wiki answer? — Elements In Space 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Well, yes, I guess so. There's a MathJax one around too I'm told. I'll stick the formatting one from meta there too. Do you happen to know if there's any point in including the api sandbox? — W.O. 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Vickel
@W.O. since this is set-up as a wiki, why not ask to list all sandboxes, seperated in categories maybe. — Vickel 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Sensible suggestion, great idea. I'm away from the keyboard for half an hour or so, so feel free or I shall on my return @Vickel — W.O. 53 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Vickel
I'd prefer to wait for your return to the keyboard, since this is your question and you should make major edits yourself, I think... Thanks for considering my input! — Vickel 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Instead of creating your own community wiki, why not edit the other one - that's what it's for. — W.O. 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Yeah, OK. That works, having the two C/Wikis. — W.O. 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Oh, hell, yes. If you know how to make the other answer so neat, please go ahead. — W.O. 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by D7x7ux
Why were the natives of california not killed by smallpox? Please provide more details. It's been said by who? Also, where have you looked already? — D7x7ux 13 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
As you are well aware from your previous posts regarding blond police officers, this is very off-topic here. — W.O. 7 secs ago
 
5:48 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
IMO, this is a task for which using the SE API is more appropriate. SEDE is not intended for programmatic access, while the SE API is. While there's no SE API request to get just the posts you want, it's trivial to get your answers on the two sites and then filter the results locally based on the "is accepted" and ">= 2 upvotes" criteria. For example, the SE API request for your posts on AU could be this. Admittedly, you'd need to get several pages of results. — Makyen 32 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
I've limited the above request to return a small subset of the data which is available for each answer in order to more clearly show getting a list of answers with the specific criteria you're interested in. However, the request, using a different filter can return complete data on each answer, if that's what you're wanting. Also of note is that if what you're really wanting is >= 2 score, rather than >= 2 upvotes, then the /search/excerpts endpoint can be used to return a much more narrow set of results. — Makyen 57 secs ago
 
6:35 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by WinEunuuchs2Unix
@Makyen I'm guilty of putting in TMI and not enough info at the same time. My program stack-to-blog.py reads ALL answers and questions and then selects the good ones for the website. It also ignores self-accept answers if up votes < 2. The spirit of the question was how to fix the SEDE bug, not how to filter Q&A. As stated it's been working fine for a few years. I'm thinking there is a specific Question or Answer it is choking on and then I could simply edit it in SE and rerun the query. — WinEunuuchs2Unix just now
 
7:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Aaron Bertrand
Nice sleuthing. And oof, yep, I overrode with database_default in several places to overcome issues with the new views I created (some of my first examples needed COLLATE clauses and I didn't want to thrust that on users). I'll see if I can surgically remove them from this portion of the process. — Aaron Bertrand 1 min ago
 
7:31 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Josh Zhang
For the sake of transparency I want to say that we're not moving API behind Cloudflare because we want the DDoS protection. One of the major factors is visibility for all our traffic. Very recently there was an issue where someone was sending malicious traffic to chat and the team had a very difficult time detecting and stopping the traffic. Moving all ingress behind the CDN will resolve that. While Cloudflare is a CDN with good DDoS protection, their service offers us a variety of useful tools to enhance how we run the site and it's applications. — Josh Zhang ♦ 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
It's hard to imagine what you expect a proper answer to the question to look like, honestly. Should it be confirming or refuting your suspicions as to what factors influence the result? Looking for more patterns? Showing the result of a principle component analysis on some defined set of factors? Something else? — Karl Knechtel 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@JoshZhang That should be possible without Cloudflare, but I understand the utility of having everything in one dashboard. Does that mean you can disable all Cloudflare's other stuff on the API domain? — wizzwizz4 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Reposted on medical - seems to now pass muster. — W.O. 1 min ago
 
8:09 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by nullmatrix
medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/q/33975/30145 Well. I have rephrased it, essentially asking the same question, and now it apparently is acceptable, and within the scope of medical sciences stack exchange. — nullmatrix 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Josh Zhang
There are other things that are very handy like their load balancer which we use to dynamically send traffic to CO when NY is unstable. But to answer your question, yes for the migration I will not be turning anything else on besides the basic vulnerability based rules like block traffic that doesn't send a user agent, fake block fake googlebot, etc. Those rules are part of this: developers.cloudflare.com/waf/managed-rules. Not all the rules will be turned on, just the ones that are on all the other sites. — Josh Zhang ♦ 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@PM2Ring Hypothesis b.1 has just been confirmed by staff. — wizzwizz4 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
@JoshZhang The rules on the other sites are already too much for some use-cases, e.g. the main sites set the __cf_bm cookie and expect me to send it back to the servers. My concern is that none of this is documented in the API, and this is a breaking change that'll kill some of the API consumers. — wizzwizz4 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Josh Zhang
@wi There __cf_bm cookie is part of their proprietary algo to help w/ bot detection, DDoS, etc. If none of the rules are turned on, the cookie is then just a byproduct of having the traffic go through Cloudflare. — Josh Zhang ♦ 9 secs ago
 
 
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9:40 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
RE your final sentence: please read this answer which explains why suspensions are handled the way they are and why the evidence wasn't made public. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by starball
@TimurShtatland re "clock is ticking" - meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326569/11107541. there's also supposed an implicit question in the frame challenge of "why don't you just ask the LLMs yourself"? — starball 48 secs ago
 

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