12:04 AM
@starball Such information (e.g., edits, comments, votes; i.e., everything that's live) is already sent to each page through the existing WebSocket, but actions by the current user are explicitly filtered out by the in-page JavaScript from being applied to the page.. I presume such are filtered out under the assumption that there's a single question tab and the page will have already been updated based on the user taking the action in that tab. So, all the communications with the server exists. What doesn't exist is code to keep in-page updates consistent with the WebSocket notifications. — Makyen 41 secs ago
@Makyen See meta.stackexchange.com/questions/285447/… for why one's own changes are excluded. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 41 secs ago
12:46 AM
I am not familiar with their ticketing system, but that looks like the sort of email that gets generated when somebody closes the ticket without doing anything else. If that was an intentional choice on their part, then one possible interpretation would be "Your appeal is denied, and we have no further comment on it." But I would prefer for them to say that explicitly. — Kevin 42 secs ago
1:01 AM
You seem to have been banned because you won't stop arguing when everyone else disagrees with you. Your appeal would seem to simply be further evidence of that. — Robert Longson 20 secs ago
1:33 AM
@RobertLongson Arguing about having an answer deleted doesn't seem to be cause for suspension, even if everyone else disagrees, unless the 'arguing' consisted of abuse of the system or users. — CPlus 9 secs ago
If the arguing just continues and continues and continues then everyone will get tired of it and you'll get suspended. — Robert Longson 5 secs ago
2:04 AM
A ticket has been raised to make the CM team aware of this post; note that it may take a while before anyone has a chance to look at it. — Ryan M 26 secs ago
Separately, let's maybe stop speculating about why the user was suspended. That's not really relevant to the issue raised here, which is about the unclear response to the appeal, rather than the suspension itself. — Ryan M 39 secs ago
2:43 AM
Judging from the staff-generated letter you link to, it seems there may be little more to say on the subject. To me, it makes perfect sense. You say it makes no sense to you and you seek to blame the sensitivity of others for being offended, but... you show no contrition, remorse or insight into your behaviour or the consequences. Little more to say. — W.O. 37 secs ago
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4:45 AM
SO mods aren't lifting the ban, CM team has closed the appeal ticket with no additional action, and nobody here has any further capability (or indeed based on the apparent attitude in this post, incentive) to do anything about. So, what, exactly, besides a rant and a threat to never come back, are you expecting to achieve here? Flagged as off-topic, not seeking input, because it just doesn't and can't. — Nij 6 secs ago
5:23 AM
@RyanM FYI, the author of the question edited in a link to the mod message they were sent, and the email they sent to SE. In other words, they've made the details public. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 49 secs ago
6:19 AM
Hi CoderG, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 49 secs ago
6:58 AM
Hi Joproblox Bardouha, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 13 secs ago
The response you got appears to be automated, and I see it as "We have no reason to interfere, or lift the suspension", though I do agree it might have been better to get such response from actual CM. However I also trust the CM team enough to believe they did check the facts, the mod actions, and your actions, and came to the conclusion not to change the mod team decision. I can't help or say much more except perhaps rephrase @W.O. words: you did something wrong, and the first step is realizing that, and acting towards changing that, if possible, and for that you have almost one year. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 16 secs ago
It is strange that you can't find a guide as Arch offers a guide on their own site: wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide — rene 55 secs ago
Also, I'm not sure what you expect to get by posting here. Seeing people who yell "Yes! You're correct!"? Or something more? — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 8 secs ago
7:38 AM
@AaronBertrand true, but in such case the bug is the inconsistent behavior, or the user experience being flawed. Minor, and might be one of those "not worth fixing" perhaps, but still something that can be improved. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 28 secs ago
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda They seem to ask for clearer feedback, and not just a boilerplate response. Which seems to be a reasonable request. That the answer is "you won't get it" also seems perfectly reasonable, and I fully agree with your second to last comment: that the mod teams probably have sufficient reason not to engage any longer. To the OP: you show on what basis you have been suspended again; this implies you have behaved worse in the past, and showed no — Joachim just now
8:13 AM
@Joachim regarding "worse in the past" - doesn't have to be worse, might as well be just the same. Anyway I do agree the question here can stay, didn't vote to close and won't vote to delete if closed, but just... can't see a way the OP will get the reply they want. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 36 secs ago
8:38 AM
This happened for me around that time (likely the exact same time :), on Firefox on Windows 10 as well as Android. It seems more common on certain sites (here on Meta it's almost always the case), whereas on others it varies more. — Joachim 26 secs ago
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10:55 AM
@Shadow Agree, I wasn’t opposing bringing it up, just explaining why these things can happen generally, and that sometimes it becomes a bug on its own long after the code has been deployed (new index, changed data, etc). I was just picking nits because usually a bug is “behaving differently than the dev intended” but in these ordering cases it usually has nothing to do with intention. :-) — Aaron Bertrand 1 min ago
11:06 AM
@Aaron ah, I see now. So perhaps it's fitting as answer, to give context and details otherwise lost in the comments. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 44 secs ago
12:07 PM
Can confirm, this just happened to me. Shown a "log in" prompt on the inbox drop-down, even though I am clearly logged in, and navigating to a new page made it work correctly again. — Aaron Bertrand 48 secs ago
@AaronBertrand - The expanded list for Recent votes has an option to "sort by close reason" and after clicking that it shows the option "sort by date". Clicking that restores the previous order. This suggests that the original order may be "by date". — Rick Smith 13 secs ago
I am using a mobile smart phone, and I can Nit see it on stackexchange mobile sies — user1338998 41 secs ago
@RickSmith Possibly, but date of what? Post creation? Entering the queue? Last review action? I don't know this specific piece of code has an explicit
ORDER BY at all, or one deterministic enough to produce consistent behavior, until you manually choose one. So the default could not sort the output from SQL Server at all, in which case - again depending on the ORDER BY on the underlying query - be completely arbitrary. — Aaron Bertrand 59 secs ago12:32 PM
@AaronBertrand - As I noted previously when I VTC'd a post, the list was updated by placing the title (and updated count) of that post last, so "time of last close vote". Maybe changing the order doesn't use SQL. Could it be in the HTML? I don't know. — Rick Smith 24 secs ago
@W.O. Judging from other entries in the "issues" for the repository that OP linked (which detail other cases in which the OP was banned from other places), this is someone who sincerely believes things such as "there is no such thing as 'tone' on the Internet". So the apparent lack of "contrition, remorse or insight" is hardly mysterious. — Karl Knechtel 49 secs ago
1:02 PM
1:57 PM
On a wider screen with the Left Navigation sidebar disabled you can also use the three bar menu. Or if keyboard shortcuts are enabled press
G and then T. — Marijn 25 secs ago2:07 PM
That is probably going to be fairly subjective per-site and maybe even per-tag-family. For SQL Server, for example, I edit "in SQL Server" out of titles, because if the tag is present, that information is redundant and just lengthens the title for no reason. — Aaron Bertrand 44 secs ago
@AaronBertrand Ah, I wanted to ask this on Music Meta actually. But I also now see meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19190/… with the highest voted answer being "no". Anyway, I'm going to ask this question on Music SE. Thank you for the comment nevertheless! — user1079505 33 secs ago
Ah, I wanted to ask this on Music Meta actually. But I also now see meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19190/… which seems like a duplicate of my question, with the highest voted answer being "no", thus consistent with what you say. Thank you for the answer! — user1079505 just now
Does this answer your question? Should questions include "tags" in their titles? — Bryan Krause 23 secs ago
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3:28 PM
Note that users don't have to run a query as the home page of SEDE shows when the data was refreshed. I have a pending PR on that: meta.stackexchange.com/a/354134 but that rightfully didn't get merged. I think using the new view is preferred in that view (and address the performance / caching due to being run on the homepage). — rene 27 secs ago
Hi Saumya Verma, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz 49 secs ago
3:57 PM
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6:32 PM
"Now I found out the question was secretly deleted (bad UX; I got no notification or warning)." -- same here, one of my answers was deleted within 3 hours by some narrow-minded moderators, but i was not notified. i was only notified on the "this is offtopic" comments — milahu 25 secs ago
6:42 PM
"Now I found out the question was secretly deleted (bad UX; I got no notification or warning)." -- same here, one of my answers was deleted within 3 hours by some narrow-minded moderators, but i was not notified. i was only notified on the "this is offtopic" comments. this (no notification on delete) is just dishonest and spineless. issue: Send notification when question is closed or deleted — milahu 30 secs ago
This Meta site is not the right place to ask your Chinese language question. We do, however, have a Chinese Language site; see their on-topic page to see if your post is a good fit there. If not, then unfortunately, we don't have a site on our network where it'd fit. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 50 secs ago
7:00 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog of course the Meta is not the place to ask my questions about Chinese language. My question here was where (and how) I should ask them. I would be especially interested (where to ask for) how the strokes in Chinese characters are made and placed. If this turns out to be a "Chinese people only site" then I will respect this and quit immediately. — Gyro Gearloose 50 secs ago
7:11 PM
Hi Web Developer, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but this question should not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Sam Onela 40 secs ago
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9:06 PM
Bear in mind that you may well not be the only one suspended. We have no way of knowing. I've never known staff to get involved with chat suspensions. As far as I can tell it's up to the room owners or mods and the company takes little interest as it's not a part of the main business. I'd be interested to hear different though. — W.O. 29 secs ago
So saying "blabla" is a serious thing? Is that being rude? And do I deserve to be punished in chat for 6 days for this? — Marco 51 secs ago
@Marco I'd personally consider it rude, and I handled those flags as such. With that said, if it was six days, than that would probably have been manually done by the diamond (elected) moderators, not automatically. You can check your Stack Exchange inbox to see if there's a mod message there, which would explain it. If not, I can't really know beyond what I said already, sadly. You'd need a mod to explain. — cocomac 29 secs ago
So saying "blabla" is a serious thing? Is that being rude? And do I deserve to be punished in chat for 6 days for this? — Marco 41 secs ago
Okay then, so I hope that another user who said 'blabla' was also banned from the chat for 6 days (chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9828536#9828536). And no, I didn't receive any inbox messages from the moderator or room owner. Now I know that saying "blabla" is being rude. What drama, my God. — Marco just now
Okay then, so I hope that another user who said 'blabla' was also banned from the chat for 6 days (chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9828536#9828536). And no, I didn't receive any inbox messages from the moderator or room owner. Now I know that saying "blabla" is being rude. What drama, my God. — Marco 1 min ago
cocomac: "I've raised a custom mod flag so they can investigate this as I can't do much more": so they can investigate what? — Marco 30 secs ago
Well--What is the "drama"? Who did what & why did you call it "drama"? What is the meaning of your statement? — philipxy 54 secs ago
Got it, thanks very much! Fyi not important but just to let you know, I believe that some cached plans and queries were cleared out only yesterday instead of last Sunday, based on 2 queries I've tried and my admittedly imperfect memory. (The 2 queries were returning cache results from the Sunday, April 7 refresh instead of the Sunday, April 14. They only returned the updated results corresponding to the Sunday, April 14 refresh since yesterday.) — Franck Dernoncourt 41 secs ago
Please act on all of my comment re your statement. (It turns out it is an ad hominem attack.) — philipxy 28 secs ago
If you don't act on my comment you are not going to learn anything about what you are doing & thinking that is causing you problems. It should include explaining what you mean by the euphemism/exaggeration "dramatic". Now I am done. Good luck. — philipxy 27 secs ago
@FranckDernoncourt I don't see any failures in the logs, and I ran the process again this morning to be sure (it affected zero rows), so ... not sure what else might have been holding on to those results. Let me know if you come across this symptom again. — Aaron Bertrand 59 secs ago
@Marco The custom flag was to look over the chat messages (and handle them). This might mean more suspensions, undoing a suspension, sending one or more mod messages, and/or something else. Exactly what happens there is, ultimately, up to whichever mod handles the flag and maybe the diamond mods if multiple address it. I totally understand why you're frustrated, but there's really not much more we can do without a diamond mod. — cocomac 1 min ago
@philipxy I already answered, I think it's dramatic to think that saying "blabla" is offensive. I have nothing more to say. Thanks for the good luck. — Marco 35 secs ago
@AaronBertrand thanks, interesting. I'll let you know if that happens again. The two queries were data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/540572/… and data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/851061/… I was mostly looking at the first query. Are SEDE results cached on client side, or solely on server side?. — Franck Dernoncourt 41 secs ago
10:18 PM
We do get a lot of people asking off-topic questions that they intend to ask on another site here, so that explains the first part of my comment. Also, it's not a Chinese people-only site, as the on-topic page there says. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 54 secs ago
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