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Rebecca Chernoff

8:07 PM

Hmm. Chrometa is going to start charging 20/mo and up. Bye bye.

drachenstern

Hey rchern can we move the backpack messages from like two hours ago into the backpack room?

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@drachenstern hear hear

Rebecca Chernoff

Um, what?

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff I made a room for Moshe for his backpack recommendation questions

wanted to keep them all ontopic so figured we might migrate the ones outta here

Rebecca Chernoff

...backpack recommendations?

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8:11 PM

He's making more work for you @RebeccaChernoff ;-)

drachenstern

Ja

@TheRenamedException shhhhh, don't tell her the planz!!!

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2 hours ago, by Moshe

I want a backpack that I can wear and use both hands while waering it. (I find messages bags and single strap backpacks tend to make it difficult to be active while wearing them. It becomes a balancing act.)

@drachenstern I'm kidding, I am in favor

drachenstern

2 hours ago, by drachenstern

1. I find messages bags and single strap backpacks tend to make it difficult to be active while wearing them. It becomes a balancing act. Therefore I want a two shoulder backpack, that I can wear and use both hands while wearing it.
2. I need a padded space for my MacBook, its charger, and the associated cords that I have absolutely no idea how many I'll be carrying at one time because I've never had a good backpack before. I'm also forgetting my headphones and USB disks.
3. I am starting college soon and will need space for at least a full load of college books and notepaper and pens. At l…

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I would do it if I were an owner of this room... (hint, hint)

Rebecca Chernoff

...seriously? Backpack recommendations?

drachenstern

8:12 PM

@TheRenamedException yeah, same here :p

Rebecca Chernoff

Just go to the store? |:

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff oh come on, Jeff made a room for router recs

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@RebeccaChernoff LOL

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff bah, this is more than all that

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@RebeccaChernoff REI FTW!

drachenstern

8:13 PM

Surely you've bought purses and shoes? This is our purses and shoes ;)

badp

meta's lackluster activity in the backpack-rec tag is concerning

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah, exactly. I go to the store and buy them. It isn't a huge process of needing recommendations.

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff It's amazing how often I think something, start typing it, decide "I should probably just not bother", erase it, and then see you say it anyway. I approve

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@drachenstern especially this one:

2 hours ago, by drachenstern

drachenstern

8:13 PM

@MichaelMrozek the trick is to go ahead and say it ;)

Michael Mrozek

"go to the store"? Isn't that what people used to do before the Internet?

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I read about it in a book once

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek altho sometimes I type it and then <ctrl><a> <delete>

Rebecca Chernoff

Going to the store includes online purchasing.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek hahahaha

Michael Mrozek

And by "read in a book", I mean I read it on the Internet

drachenstern

8:14 PM

So anyways ...

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I heard about it in an online chat room once...

badp

...it must be true.

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@badp only if it was upvoted ;-)

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException or starred

Rebecca Chernoff

Did we also need a room for recommending umbrellas? Because I can be all over creating that for you.

drachenstern

8:15 PM

@RebeccaChernoff lmao, the room exists, the messages have not been migrated

Also, it would appear you've been reading the transcript

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@RebeccaChernoff How about a room for recommending new rooms?

Rebecca Chernoff

I think you're missing the point @drachenstern.

@drachenstern huh?

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff nah, I was trying to keep clutter down in here by posting fifty messages on backpacks in here

@RebeccaChernoff umbrellas were part of the discussion earlier

in passing, but on the same topic

mmyers

So now we're discussing whether it's pointless to discuss backpack recommendations? Seriously?

drachenstern

@mmyers this is meta

Michael Mrozek

8:17 PM

@mmyers You're right; we should probably spin off a separate room for it

drachenstern

we discuss if it's pointless to discuss anything

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I thought we were discussing if it was pointless to migrate the existing discussion about backpack reccomendations...

drachenstern

whatever we're discussing, I asked, I think I got my answer, I'm going back to SSMS and queries and then to VS and code

@me as you want to bother me

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@me am I bothering you now?

mmyers

@drachenstern I want to bother you.

The Renamed Exception

8:19 PM

lol

drachenstern

@mmyers hola

@TheRenamedException two letters don't trigger anyone

or do they ....

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They trigger Feeds ;-)

drachenstern

I should rename myself to @mesomething for purposes of this room on meta

since there's an @ Mehrdad (trying to not trigger them for pointlessness)

@meandme ?

nah, too much like effort

Michael Mrozek

I suddenly have four intern interviews in the next week. Apparently it's been determined I am uniquely skilled at interviewing interns

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek well that's good right?

Michael Mrozek

8:22 PM

@drachenstern Why?

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@MichaelMrozek do you make them do feats of physical endurance, like walking over hot coals? I find this is the best way to interview interns.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek a) they trust your judgement, b) you've got enough work to need interns, c) it's not exactly a heavy workload even if it does require a long period of not-getting-things-done

@TheRenamedException I thought making them buy you things was the test :\

Michael Mrozek

@TheRenamedException I just ask them for their SO IDs

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@drachenstern I have enough work to need interns, that's not a good sign per-say. Having enough capital to afford more employees is a better measure I think ;-)

@drachenstern this works also

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException ok true true, but I thought his company was one of those large ones that had capital to spare for month-over-month activities like having interns. I forget if I've been told the name, but was certain it was well over 200 employees.

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8:25 PM

@MichaelMrozek You can then hires the ones who upvote you the most!

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek what, no github or the like references as well? Do you expect them to have those in their profiles?

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@drachenstern paid interns? This concept defies all logic! ;-)

Michael Mrozek

@TheRenamedException ...that's brilliant. I should get them to all come it at once so I can put them in a room and give them 10 minutes to upvote as many of my answers as possible

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@MichaelMrozek HAHAHAHA

Michael Mrozek

Bonus points for evading the vote spam detector

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drachenstern

8:27 PM

so bonus points for having sockpuppets?

@RebeccaChernoff remember that snow you wanted me to send your way? Apparently I pushed it part of the way, cos I haven't seen ANY of it

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@drachenstern You missed. You sent it to me instead.

drachenstern

oh damn

well I was disappointed that we really didn't get any hard rain OR snow :\ ... they also closed almost all of our schools for a snowday

go figure

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drachenstern

eugh

oh snap, I just realized, I can edit on dba finally :D

I know I posted it earlier, but it just dawned on me that I can approve edits too now :D

Moshe

Anyone aver heard of this library?

code.google.com/p/ie7-js

(removed)

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8:35 PM

@Moshe I have not

> IE7.js is a JavaScript library to make Microsoft Internet Explorer behave like a standards-compliant browser

Sounds... impossible ;-)

drachenstern

No, but Eric Meyer has meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7

Moshe

@drachenstern So in other words, it's reliable.

drachenstern

@Moshe If Eric Meyer vouches for it, that's close enough in my book to make it seriously worth a consider.

That's as good an answer as you're going to get out of me ;)

Moshe

@drachenstern Yep.

goes to look into that library again

@drachenstern heh. have a star.

drachenstern

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Q: Does stored procedure prevent SQL Injection?

Is it true that Stored procedure will prevent postgreSQL databases to be injected? I did a little research and I found out that SQL-Server, Oracle and MySQL are not safe against SQL injection if we only use stored procedure. However, this problem does not exist in postgreSQL. Does stored procedur...

Nyuszika7H

8:41 PM

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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

mootinator

@drachenstern I hate people who use stored procedures for simple queries :(

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drachenstern

@mootinator sometimes business rules dictate that that be the case tho

Such as at my business. All CRUD has a sproc

mootinator

Eh, I suppose.

Nyuszika7H

8:43 PM

@TheRenamedException LOL

mootinator

Let me rephrase: I hate people who use stored procedures for simple queries because they are too lazy to figure out parameterized queries and/or think it's the only way to prevent SQL injection attacks.

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My code has a design flaw... To the whiteboard!

drachenstern

@mootinator oh, well yeah of course

The only dynamic sql that I know of that we run are tools that we use to track down random things in our data, there are no sprocs that I know of on our servers that use dynamic sql ... granted, I'm not the company dbas ;)

mmyers

My whiteboard has a design flaw. Now what?

Dan Grossman

IEFBR14

IEFBR14 is an IBM mainframe utility program. It runs in all IBM mainframe environments derived from OS/360, including z/OS. It is a placeholder whose purpose is to do nothing. As it turned out, over the years, it would have problems correctly doing nothing and would sometimes fail in the task. Purpose Allocation On OS/360 and derived mainframe systems, most programs never specify files (usually called datasets) directly, but instead reference them indirectly through the Job Control Language (JCL) statements that invoke the programs. These data definition (or "DD") statements can inc...

Lasse V. Karlsen

8:50 PM

Do I need VS 2010 SP1 to get properly started with ASP.NET MVC 3?

what, if anything, would I be missing without that SP1?

mmyers

It probably won't support the Razor engine

Lasse V. Karlsen

You mean intellisense?

I'm assuming I can still use the Razor engine, but VS would fight me over the intellisense, is that what you mean?

mmyers

Intellisense and syntax highlighting, yeah.

Rebecca Chernoff

sp1 isn't officially released, is it?

Lasse V. Karlsen

No, it isn't, only beta

and I'm not very keen on installing Visual Studio beta on the machines I use daily

mmyers

8:52 PM

I haven't tried MVC 3 yet; it may be that it includes the VS integration as part of the deal.

Moshe

Is there a reason I can't use CSS3 inset shadows with regular ones?

Nyuszika7H

@LasseVKarlsen Then why SiSoftware Sandra reports I don't have the latest SP installed? If SP1 is only beta…

drachenstern

@LasseVKarlsen I would suggest asking @MarcGravell

Lasse V. Karlsen

@Nyuszika7H I don't know

@drachenstern OK

drachenstern

@Moshe is this a theoretical problem or a practical one? I wouldn't but can't???

Moshe

8:53 PM

@drachenstern practical

I'm trying to apply a subtle inner glow to a box.

drachenstern

@Moshe then present us a testcase on SO pretty please with a jsfiddle

Moshe

@drachenstern Erm, I'm trying to avoid SO questions ATM. I'm working on hitting 300 answers first. But I'll try jsFiddle.

drachenstern

@Moshe then you're doing it wrong

Moshe

@drachenstern I had 150 and now I have 220. Don't mess. :P

drachenstern

it sounds like a valid SO question, I would appreciate seeing it added to the stockpile of knowledge (and by proposing the title, maybe someone else has done it and that box will help you)

Rebecca Chernoff

8:55 PM

Oh, I misread your question. No, you don't need sp1 to get started with mvc3.

Moshe

@drachenstern Ok, fair enough.

Nyuszika7H

'night

Moshe

@Nyuszika7H Night

@drachenstern: jsfiddle.net/hVmev/9

drachenstern

oh, facepalm, you reversed the order, I didn't notice

badp

@TheRenamedException :(

Moshe

9:05 PM

@drachenstern I thought it would fix things, but alas.

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@badp I knoooooowwwwww!!!! Sooo Saaaaad! :-(

Pooor kitty!!!!!

:'(

drachenstern

#box{
    -moz-box-shadow: 0px 0px 30px #000, inset 0 0 30px #000;
    -webkit-box-shadow: 0px 0px 30px #000, inset 0 0 30px #000;
    box-shadow: inset 0 0 30px #000, 0 0 30px #000;
}

how is that not putting a shadow both ways?

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LOL

Moshe

@TheRenamedException so tempted to flag that as offensive, makes one shudder.

drachenstern

what's it not doing that it should be doing?

Moshe

9:06 PM

@drachenstern It should be putting a shadow inside the box and outside the box.

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@Moshe you preferred when I was posting images of krispy kremes? :-)

Moshe

@TheRenamedException For sure. Bring that one back, please.

drachenstern

@Moshe and is it not? It looks to me like it is if you use the code I pasted above

Moshe

@drachenstern One sec, will try.

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drachenstern

9:07 PM

is that not dual shadowed?

I don't know what I'm missing there

@TheRenamedException damn you, now I want one

Moshe

@drachenstern It is.

drachenstern

@Moshe then your code works fine

Moshe

I must have chosen poor colors.

badp

@drachenstern It has an external black glow obviously!

drachenstern

I made it 30px and 000 both ways

The Renamed Exception

9:08 PM

@drachenstern I've been wanting them ever since @Donut was in here this morning. Blame him!

Moshe

@drachenstern Yep, just checking.

drachenstern

I was looking for exaggeration

@Moshe ok

Moshe

I like #10 though, with the yellow glow.

drachenstern

@TheRenamedException ok ... /blame @donut

@Moshe that's cool, I was just troubleshooting the one question

Moshe

@drachenstern Great. Thanks!

Schweet! I just need a bigger difference in the colors, then.

Like, #000 and #333 are too close, unless one uses a large shadow

Lasse V. Karlsen

9:16 PM

Installing MVC 3 installs a KBxxxxx for Visual studio now apparently

Will soon see how this works out

badp

Lasse V. Karlsen

seems intellisense works

Well, this is just scary :P

I need to learn MVC 3 it seems

Rebecca Chernoff

Did you watch any mvcconf stuff yesterday? The videos should be up...sometime soon.

drachenstern

@LasseVKarlsen when you're done can you braindump directly into my appropriate cortex so I can skip the painful parts? Or give a book recommendation after?

Rebecca Chernoff

There's the music store app walkthrough: mvcmusicstore.codeplex.com/releases/view/…, asp.net/mvc/tutorials/mvc-music-store-part-1

Marc Gravell

9:30 PM

@LasseVKarlsen no you don't

This here very chat is now using some MVC3 and razor - and I don't have SP1

Moshe

Wow! CSS3 effects! is having fun with CSS3

Moshe

9:43 PM

Is it possible to animate CSS3 shadows?

drachenstern

Is it possible to animate any CSS value?

Moshe

@drachenstern Yea, CSS3 transforms.

I was wondering if there was a way to animate text-shadow though.

drachenstern

@Moshe it was rather a rhetorical answer to your question.

There's always a way to animate it

even if you have to write procedural code to do so

Moshe

I am looking for a pure CSS solution, although this is a cool JS implementation:

virtuelvis.com/gallery/text-shadow

When @YiJiang or @Jin pop in, hopefully they will know something.

mootinator

@TheRenamedException DO WANT

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9:48 PM

@mootinator I know! me too!

Must go there this weekend

mootinator

I used to have to drive 6 hours to the nearest one. And it closed. I no longer have any idea where the nearest one is now. despair.

I guess I'll have to go to Vegas for doughnuts one of these days. It's only a short 24 hours away.

Popular Demand

I know this has already been acted on to some degree, but...

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A: copy-pasted answers to different questions

This is a little more "gray area"-ish than it initially seems. Technical understanding is key, but distribution is important, too. If nobody at question 2 can find the information posted to question 1, only the people who participated in question 1 are benefiting. Copy-pasting isn't inherently ba...

Updated with a list of offending posts.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand that's an incomplete list, unless it extends well past 30k characters and I don't see it. That may be a semi-complete list for "letter to letter matches in the data dump" but I know I've seen a LOT of copy-pasted answers (and no, I don't know which ones off the top of my head)

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Those are all by one -- now-suspended -- user.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand oh, that's different then

I was trying to gain context, was taking time

mootinator

9:53 PM

Spokane is a good 10 hours closer.

Maybe that's a better plan.

drachenstern

10:04 PM

@mootinator is that the one in Calgary that closed?

mootinator

@drachenstern Yep

Yi Jiang

@Moshe If you're using jQuery, you can try using CSS hooks, introduced in 1.4.3

drachenstern

@mootinator looks like it's either Spokane (or points west) or Nebraska (and points south)

@YiJiang I believe he's looking for a javascriptless solution

mootinator

hehe

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Ah, he was, yes

Not entirely familiar with CSS transitions, but I believe they have to have separate values, which text-shadow doesn't have

Moshe

10:08 PM

@YiJiang So anything that does have longhand values can be transitioned?

Trufa

??

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/77/chat-feedback

Yi Jiang

w3.org/TR/css3-transitions/#animatable-properties-

Trufa

Whenever you can

Yi Jiang

Looks like you can, go give it a try then

Trufa

no hurries

Thanks!

Moshe

10:12 PM

@YiJiang Thanks. One more question - can I make inner text shadows or gradient text using just CSS?

Anyone else taking minutes to load this page?

isagoksu.com/2009/development/iphone/…

Popular Demand

@mootinator Not down with Tim Hortons?

Yi Jiang

@Moshe The first is no, the second is also no, but there are ways to emulate it

Moshe

@YiJiang ok

too bad

mootinator

@PopularDemand They're fine, but they don't hand me a hot frosted donut the moment I arrive :)

Moshe

CSS is still not Photoshop!

drachenstern

10:15 PM

anybody have a good resource/tips on readahead and readbehind when working with sequential data? (must I explicitly point out that I am not doing a regex or a string search?)

@Moshe it is a slow load, if that's what you're asking

Moshe

@drachenstern Yep. Still loading here.

drachenstern

@Moshe no, it loaded here

hard refresh

Moshe

@drachenstern How so in Safari for Mac?

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@Moshe shift refresh

Moshe

@drachenstern Still loading. Ugh.

Trufa

10:22 PM

I think I may have started a riot

in ALL CAPS ROOM, 35 secs ago, by Trufa

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← 7 messages moved from Town Hall Discussion

Sorry @Trufa. Trying to keep the town hall room on topic :-)

Trufa

@TheRenamedException no you did right

@TheRenamedException I though it was the tavern!!

Michael Mrozek

That's rather confusing when it interleaves two conversations; I wonder if it should show all the migrated messages in one block regardless of their timestamp

The Renamed Exception

No problem :-)

@MichaelMrozek I... actually wanted to put some of those in... some other room, but...

we won't mention which one ;-)

It did not rhyme with "The bash peep"

Michael Mrozek

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/346/reputation-center

I had a pretty good idea who made that room before I looked at the info page

The Renamed Exception

10:32 PM

@MichaelMrozek twas not me

I was invited to join that room

Michael Mrozek

I'm aware; it says who owns the room

mootinator

I need to code golf more so I can have my commitment back

Trufa

I'm starting to do this often:

0

A: [Fixed] Error setting name

The problem where missing scripts. You can accept my/your answer so you don't have to wait; I won't get points for it since it is a Community wiki :)

Any objections or you think its useful

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What?

Oh, making a CW wiki answer?

I think it's fine. I also edited and posted a comment

Michael Mrozek

Why not just leave a comment telling him to answer? He has to come back either way

Trufa

10:43 PM

@TheRenamedException yep, answering like that in general

@MichaelMrozek I don't know, many may never come back, I guess

0I know it's not harmful

but as I don't see it often

Michael Mrozek

@Trufa Then he's not going to be around to give your answer the checkmark anyway

Trufa

@MichaelMrozek ok but the post got answered, and it poses an aswer for others

Michael Mrozek

I guess if you're going to revert his question edit it makes sense; otherwise I don't see the point

Trufa

did that now

Michael Mrozek

I try to go to meta, see the offline page, and while I'm waiting I open another tab and try to go to meta

Trufa

10:55 PM

@MichaelMrozek youve been meta overflown

waffles

yeah we are doing some maintenance work

badp

I hate thermodynamics

Marc Gravell

Why am I picturing Zypher with that gun pointed at the hardware... "you and me, we're going to reach an understanding right now..."

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@badp UG, so do I!

@MarcGravell HAHAHA, that's how I like to picture @Zypher also

Tim Stone

@MarcGravell Probably because that's almost certainly what's happening.

mmyers

10:59 PM

@MarcGravell Because you've met him?

badp

@TheRenamedException yeah, well, it's the topic of tomorrow's exam

it's blocking my mid-degree :|

waffles

Stack Overflow ... 0 pending edits ... 0 flags .... this used to be so so rare ...

badp

wow, it's already "used to" time for pending edits? :)

Michael Mrozek

Back in the day SO never had pending edits. Then @waffles ruined everything

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badp

Let's go make some trouble

drachenstern

11:10 PM

Ok, I'm gonna try this experiment with you guys:

"Nobody has asked for this feature. I don't need this feature. Do I need to put it in?"

Anybody?

Bueller?

Aiden Bell

Aiden does not dig GPL in web-apps

drachenstern

@AidenBell the GNU public license? What's the "reference" here?

Aiden Bell

I mean, do I need to release the entire front-end? The REST API it connect to?

@drachenstern - Ext.js

mmyers

@drachenstern On a completely unrelated note... (but you did mention it)

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@badp ugggg

Good luck @badp!

badp

11:17 PM

I'll need it!

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I haven't learned that since high school chemistry and I am happy

drachenstern

@mmyers wow, that's ... unexpected

badp

I printed out some 30 pages of support material

drachenstern

@AidenBell no, only the changes to that file or that file itself, as I understand it ... :\ ... hmmm

badp

in celebration of the new printer

Aiden Bell

11:17 PM

@drachenstern - have you read the GPL?

badp

I used quite a bit of black :|

drachenstern

@AidenBell not in re: v3 but this is my understanding, that was the reason for the ... :\ ... hmmm in my post ... so I'm brushing up now

Aiden Bell

It seems to get sketchy when using a GPLv3 .js in a commercial application with regards to what is then GPL'd by linking.

I imagine calling a gpl.js with commercial.js would cause commercial.js to be release-required. Which it is anyway providing I don't obfuscate it I suppose (as it is delivered to the client as source). I can't imagine forcing any JSON API open is acceptable.

drachenstern

@AidenBell The mere act of communicating with other programs does not, by itself, require all software to be GPL; nor does distributing GPL software with non-GPL software.

so immediately the REST API is not required :p

> An “aggregate” consists of a number of separate programs, distributed together on the same CD-ROM or other media. The GPL permits you to create and distribute an aggregate, even when the licenses of the other software are non-free or GPL-incompatible. The only condition is that you cannot release the aggregate under a license that prohibits users from exercising rights that each program's individual license would grant them.

So the basics and boiling downs are this:

Aiden Bell

@drachenstern if your interpretation holds (and it sounds logical to me) then Ext.js requiring commercial a license is only applicable should I wish to modify it and keep those modifications private some how in the app

@TheRenamedException ^

CanSpice

11:24 PM

I want to request a badge for "got 20 comments on an answer" :-) MY INBOX, IT WON'T STOP GOING RED

Aiden Bell

brb

drachenstern

11:36 PM

@AidenBell If you use their library and call it from your js, then because you're not making modifications, and you're not integrating it into your codebase, and you're not extending their code, then you don't have to make your source of your app freely available. Granted, you still have to provide it since it's javascript, and you really can't stop someone from decompiling javascript, but still.

@AidenBell it's also applicable in that manner should you integrate the Ext.js code into your app somehow, that doesn't involve calling it as a separate resource. Say for instance, you closure compile their code and yours into one minified js (mind you, closure compiled!) then all your code would be GPLd

ok, I'm out for a bit ya'll

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Bah! I was stuck in a meeting!!!

I wanted to be part of this discussion @AidenBell and @drachenstern! :-)

@drachenstern This was not my understanding -- @AidenBell my understanding was yours, if I build an app using a GPL v3 library (NOT LGPL) then my app becomes GPLed also

but it doesn't make sense with JavaScript

From the GPL FAQ:

> If a library is released under the GPL (not the LGPL), does that mean that any program which uses it has to be under the GPL or a GPL-compatible license?

> Yes, because the program as it is actually run includes the library.

Question is, is ext.js a "library"

I am not sure. I fear, yes

Which is why I still use the LGPL version

Tim Stone

11:59 PM

You can use GPL software in commercial hosted web applications without issue, because you aren't distributing the software. This is why AGPL exists, to close that loophole.

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