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I know what these entities are used for, but I am curious for where they stand for. Does < stand for something like "Left tag" or is it just a code? Maybe I can use the abbreviation as a mnemonic.

Gold badge for stupidity.

Philipp Wendler

@tchrist Do you mean the edit or the answer? Actually I think it holds for both.

bjb568

- downvote to upvote rep ratio
- cost to downvote
- public display of rep everywhere
- moderation system based on it
- incentivizing quantity over quality
- incentivizing answering bad questions
- makes users whiny when they get a single downvote

Philipp Wendler

The tag added by the edit is actually inappropriate it seems.

Jan Dvorak

maybe useless but surely relvant

user259867

5:29 PM

@SmokeDetector fp maybe Unix should also be exempt from email regex, same reason as AU.

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Braiam

@pizza ssh? nah

tchrist

@JanDvorak Where do patience, the assumption of intending to do good, and the benefit of the doubt lead in this case?

bjb568

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Q: Why is == the standard equality operator?

In all the programming languages I have ever used, the comparator for testing a mathematical equivalence is ==. For example, in python: if 7 == 8 - 1: Why are all, as far as I am aware, programming languages designed like this? Wouldn't it make so much more sense to have only one = sign? I und...

conventions code programming

ugh

tchrist

Huffman.

Jan Dvorak

5:32 PM

is... that on-topic?

tchrist

Look at the original C stuff for why.

People are not doing that.

6

Q: Why does java require a double equals sign?

Why does java require a double equals sign (==) when comparing Integers in a if statement? For example if(x = 3.141) System.out.println("x is equal to pi."); is incorrect, it should be if(x == 3.141) System.out.println("x is equal to pi."); I know that "==" is used to compare int...

java

Sigh.

Nobody has given the right answer.

Braiam

what everyone thinks about this? stackoverflow.com/q/9877/792066

Jan Dvorak

@tchrist will you?

tchrist

@JanDvorak What, because someone is wrong on the Internet? :)

Jan Dvorak

YESSS

SmokeDetector

5:39 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Get Optimum Weight loss Results By Using This Advice by Ronney Shah on meta.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

now???

user259867

@SmokeDetector It's not spam time yet, check your clock.

Jan Dvorak

@pizza Tell that to Ronney

bjb568

BURNINATE

user259867

Right, I just didn't want to comment there.

Jan Dvorak

5:40 PM

Actually, wait, no, don't

user259867

Gone, anyway.

Jan Dvorak

gone

tchrist

Our fellow yelling for “discrimination” against him to be fixed lost 198 reps due to serial upvoting reversal today.

Or so it appears.

Jan Dvorak

198?

tchrist

Funny number eh?

Jan Dvorak

5:45 PM

ah, that guy

tchrist

So I suppose 10*X + 5*Y = 198 for some X and Y. Maybe.

Adoration votes if so.

repcap?

"Voting reversal"

@tchrist who?

@bjb568 look at the screenshot

tchrist

5:47 PM

@bjb568 Mr Taggee Weekee.

He’s still raking in +2’s. Dunno if those are from old edits. Kinda blah on checking.

Where is the link to the stuff of his that is still under review?

Or is there a way to filter just tag wiki reviews in the queue?

Oh, I’m on it.

Just go to the edit review queue.

Full of his crap.

Shog9

@tchrist: openstv.org/votingmethods/meek

tchrist

Okay, gave the 3rd rejection to a fair number of them.

@Shog9 Thanks.

Shog9

Strategic voting for Meek is less a problem

tchrist

Ah ok.

bjb568

I haz teh cheezburgar.

@tchrist stackoverflow.com/users/3563993/…

Hey, @shog, you looking at my serial dvs?

tchrist

5:57 PM

@bjb568 Needs more rejects. :(

But thanks.

Shog9

No, I'm planting vegetables

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Provides Muscle Definition and Contours by Jection Brown on meta.stackexchange.com

Andy

@Shog9 Hey, I just did that too. What are you planting?

tchrist

@Shog9 You sure? Too early for tomatoes. Lettuce and such, right?

bjb568

@Shog9 What do people do with vegetables?

Jan Dvorak

5:59 PM

How about spam? We have spam

tchrist

@bjb568 You’ll find out soon enough.

bjb568

:o

Andy

@tchrist, I stagger my tomatoes. I get so many that if I don't I end up with 300 at the same time.

Jan Dvorak

-3

bjb568

:-3

tchrist

6:00 PM

Vegetables are an invitation for a vole dinner party. Need more kitties.

Jan Dvorak

that was the spam score, not a face

bjb568

o+3---<

tchrist

@bjb568 Your mammaries are showing.

bjb568

:p

Jan Dvorak

some of them at least

-5

bjb568

6:02 PM

o o
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Jan Dvorak

spam gone

Ixrec

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Ixrec Registered answer as false positive.

hichris123

@Andy You need more commas. ;)

tchrist

@bjb568 ఋ

bjb568

6:03 PM

:p

tchrist

shapecatcher.com

@bjb568 What’s your mean daily caffeine intake in grams?

bjb568

0

tchrist

Hey go reject the pendings. Some are 2 to 2.

@bjb568 Okay, in milligrams then.

hichris123

@tchrist That means we're including chocolate then.

tchrist

I think I should go plant, too.

Snow’s gone.

bjb568

6:06 PM

@tchrist I dunno.

tchrist

Barely.

@bjb568 Or does your body make drugs other people pay good money for?

bjb568

…

tchrist

That’s a bit elliptical for me.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Is gravitational force affected by intervening medium? by heyheyhey on physics.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

@tchrist yes, kinda

hichris123

6:09 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

tchrist

That user now has 57 rejected edits, with some still pending. I wonder when the edit ban kicks in: that seems like far too many.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: I'm level 20: what now? by DRAKE LUCAS on gaming.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

@SmokeDetector ignore already

SmokeDetector

@JanDvorak Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

Braiam

6:16 PM

I'm not sure why this is status-bydesign meta.stackoverflow.com/q/254318/792066

Jan Dvorak

@Braiam it was a FR...

user259867

I guess if FR is posted, and feature already exists, the question should simply be retagged support. But meh.

AstroCB

Aug 25 '14 at 22:59, by AstroCB

Why is status-declined used with discussion and support?

Aug 25 '14 at 23:00, by AstroCB

"Let's have a discussion!" - User

Aug 25 '14 at 23:00, by AstroCB

status-declined

SmokeDetector

6:34 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: H-Bridge driver misfiring and referenced to >VCOM? by ARMATAV on electronics.stackexchange.com

Shog9

@Andy eggplant, tomatoes & peppers

@tchrist I'm lucky to get 100 days between killing frosts here; gotta start 'em inside early to have a shot at full-size ripe tomatoes

I'm actually a little bit late, so I'll be using clones for some of my plants

tchrist

@Shog9 Same. I'm at like 5640'.

Shog9

7:00 PM

7k' here

Even with cold frames, long season veggies are tough

tchrist

Oh. I thought you were out on the plains.

That’s higher than Castle Rock, although not so high as the ironically named Nederland.

I gave up on everything but tomatoes, and those don’t always do so well.

Shog9

Corn does pretty well... As does rhubarb

tchrist

Could never get good enough peppers.

Shog9

Kohlrabi, jalapeños, onions

Anything I can keep watered and matures fast

tchrist

I do like kohlrabi.

Onions aren’t a problem. But most everything has been taken over by raspberries.

I put in black ones 20 years ago because I missed them from back home, and they just don’t grow wild here nor can you get them in stores.

The flood made them finally do well.

SmokeDetector

7:09 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: A RATHER SIMPLE OPERATION THAT LEADS TO WHAT? by antonio on math.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector VLQ/unclear; of course this arrives right after my 50th closevote.

Jan Dvorak

They already know O_O

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 46 secs ago, by SomeKittens

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Q: Kitten can't speak

I'm running through the mongoose quickstart and my app keeps dying on fluffy.speak() with the error TypeError: Object { name: 'fluffy', _id: 509f3377cff8cf6027000002 } has no method 'speak' My (slightly modified) code from the tutorial: "use strict"; var mongoose = require('mongoose') , db =...

node.js mongodb mongoose

user259867

7:24 PM

17

A: Flag totals inclusion in candidate score for 2015 moderator election nominees?

Flags are great. When you encounter a problem that you can't handle yourself, bringing it to the attention of the mod team is extremely valuable. But, flags are not the be-all end-all of moderation on Stack Overflow; in fact, they're just the start: One thing we realized is that the mod flag ...

user259867

> The candidate in question had many thousands of close/reopen/delete/undelete votes under his belt

user259867

Well... make those counts public, too.

user259867

(Not just in the context of elections)

tchrist

What reasons can you think of for those being private?

I doubt it was an accident.

bjb568

Make it all visible!

Including actions on deleted posts, of course.

Braiam

7:37 PM

votes (up and down) are public @pizza, counting deleted posts

user259867

I'm well aware of that...

Braiam

reopen and close and delete and undelete... well...

user259867

@tchrist I'd guess the set-up is mostly a chain of accidents. Like pending Close votes being anonymous iff they are not cast from review.

user259867

> ... is in many ways an aberrant monstrosity, the result of many years of implementation accidents and compromises leading to a set of requirements necessary for interoperability, but in no way representing good design practices. dev.w3.org/html5/spec-preview/…

Braiam

I feel weird when I have to use "pizza" organically as subject when refering to someone

bjb568

7:39 PM

24

Q: Is there an alternative to the scientific method?

Intro The scientific method is a key process of how we acquire knowledge and may shape our understanding of the world. If I am not mistaken, this method has been defined several times during our history. The scientific method is not free from disadvantageous. I don't want to talk about practica...

philosophy-of-science scientific-method

This is so stupid.

Braiam

@bjb568 It's philosophy

bjb568

Exactly.

Braiam

my statement can go both ways...

tchrist

Is there an alternative to evidence-based models?

Teapots.

yellowantphil

@tchrist @tchrist intuition, and hoping that you’re right?

tchrist

7:41 PM

Prayers.

Braiam

@tchrist science was based during his first hundred years by non evidence-based models... and they were right

Ixrec

The scientific method is itself a product of philosophy, so it's hardly silly for philosophers of science to continue debating it

Braiam

@Ixrec well, that's true also

Ixrec

though most of the objections raised against Popper's formulation probably wouldn't bother most practicing scientists

hichris123

wait wait wait... shouldiblamecaching.com is @TimStone's?!

And it doesn't even have SSL support. shakes head

Braiam

7:43 PM

> Registrant Org Tim Stone is associated with ~143 other domains

I hope that answers your question

hichris123

@Braiam where'd you get that?

Braiam

oh god... he uses godaddy for some :(

@hichris123 whois

Tim Stone

@hichris123 It's hosted on GitHub Pages, so I'd have to CloudFlare it or something.

@Braiam That is some other Tim Stone. I only use Gandi as my registrar :P

hichris123

@Braiam I did a whois and I didn't see that... I must be blind.

@TimStone CloudFlare please! Is it on your todo list? :P

Tim Stone

@hichris123 itsonmytodolist.com

Braiam

7:46 PM

@hichris123 that would make the whole page trully cache prone :D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: FLASH PROBLEM, IT STOPPED WORKING by EMEKA on photo.stackexchange.com

hichris123

@TimStone bah, not even responsive.

Tim Stone

That is also on the todo list.

Braiam

@SmokeDetector no shat

Tim Stone

Maybe today if I have time.

hichris123

7:47 PM

SE doesn't seem to like me today -- most of my requests are timing out.

@TimStone nah, wouldn't want to take you away from more important work. :P

Undo

Has SEDE been getting updated way more often recently?

tchrist

@Undo Do you mean how often its data dump is synced?

Tim Stone

Not that I'm aware of.

@hichris123 All work is important!

rene

@Undo more then weekly?

Undo

Not sure

rene

7:53 PM

On Monday it is always a guess which tag is on top of my close vote query. I've never seen it change more often then that...

So the weekly refresh is maintained based on my observation

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Android not acknowledging ontouchend by isuPatches on stackoverflow.com

rene

Is github blacklisted?

Braiam

@rene https://www.rockthepatch.com

rene

but this post is fpu?

user259867

Spammers also need help with web development, you know.

user259867

8:03 PM

Maybe just ignore it?

rene

that user has one other question pointing to that site

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

rene

there, done

Braiam

I'm not sure

rene

check this post

user259867

8:04 PM

@rene From 2012. If this is a spam wave, it's a slowwww one.

rene

Maybe slowspam is like slowfood

user259867

First of all, why is this site blacklisted?

rene

Because someone added it to the blacklistfilter?

user259867

I checked spam filter, rockthepatch isn't there.

user259867

It matches patch\.com, which was probably meant for something else.

rene

8:09 PM

yeah, that is it

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered answer as false positive.

hichris123

@TimStone but some work is more equal than others.

Ixrec

I wonder if it knows that German text is not a sign of spam on the german SEs

hichris123

@pizza ah, we don't have word boundaries there.

user259867

8:12 PM

@hichris123 Which is good in general, but I've no idea what's wrong with patch.com anyway? Found no source of blacklisting it.

hichris123

not going to though, since that's how we can catch the URLs.

xkcdBot

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

hichris123

...

@pizza github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/…

why did I blacklist it?

Uh... I dunno.

rene

Oh ... you.... failed ....

Braiam

starts conference about the importance of useful commit messages

user259867

8:14 PM

attendance is extremely low

hichris123

April 5th...

Maybe it was in this?

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 5 at 16:26, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: performing no good to the skin by almeklick hery on meta.stackexchange.com

who has 10k on meta?

rene

From this point forward all commit messages have to be approved by management and have a go from the communications department

hichris123

@rene Screenshot of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252819/…?

user259867

@hichris123 @TimStone has, of those who spoke here recently.

user259867

Oh, rene does too. Congrats.

Tim Stone

8:17 PM

It was literally "patch.com"

hichris123

@pizza You missed the one who spoke most recently. :P

Tim Stone

And spamtastic

hichris123

Oh okay so I'm not that crazy.

user259867

So this particular URL may need word boundary.

rene

@hichris123 we never said that....

hichris123

8:18 PM

:P

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: What does "Lose Yourself" mean? by mikko on ell.stackexchange.com

user259867

I went to patch.com , it looks like a junky news site... not about garcinia etc. Just spamming to increase the audience?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Trouble configuring JaCoCo in maven by Dubius on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

user259867

8:20 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@pizza Blacklisted user.

rene

@hichris123 for reference spam

hichris123

ok, thanks!

rene

np

hichris123

@pizza done. I think. :P

user259867

8:22 PM

@rene That page is 404, and the site itself looks legit.

rene

what is 404? the link in the image or imgur itself?

user259867

The link in the image, I retyped it.

rene

oh

user259867

It's a site that allows user contributions (there is a button at upper right). Spammers planted an article there, and then used it for links. Got nuked.

user259867

I guess it still makes sense to keep the site on the blacklist in case they use it again.

rene

8:26 PM

It is not 404 for me

user259867

SPAM ell.stackexchange.com/a/55117/12517 reported by Smokey, still at -2.

user259867

@rene oops, I mistyped. Spam is still on their site.

user259867

Looking for flag button...

user259867

Meh, looks like the site is, intentionally or not, a spam haven. Sad.

rene

That is why we can't have nice things on the internet

hichris123

8:31 PM

It's mostly @rene's fault.

rene

sure, I'm responsible for a lot of faults and I keep adding them on a day-by-day basis

hichris123

That's so 6 hours ago.

6 hours ago, by hichris123

#stackoverflow developers really have nothing but unadulterated disdain for the old Area51 codebase. http://t.co/oAGhBeP0DC

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on April 19, 2015 at 12:53 PM

:P

user259867

OK, deleted the duplicate.

hichris123

Not sure what that means, but okay.

bjb568

I'm in a good mood. IDK why.

user259867

8:45 PM

Must be the weather.

Bart

I had a good mood once. Hated it.

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user259867

Moody Cats: Why Does My Cat's Mood Change So Quickly?

user259867

> This is often due to discomfort or overstimulation, either because you are petting too vigorously or because the area that you are petting is highly sensitive (for example, the base of the tail). Keep an eye on when your cat’s mood suddenly changes. If it’s during petting, you may need to change your technique.

bjb568

Gummy Bears for BC-STV

►

lol

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DANIEL AND HIS THREE FRIENDS by Richard.Aka on hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

bjb568

8:57 PM

tpu the whole site

sibeliusblog.com/tips/… damn them triple-diminished thirds :p

hichris123

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Q: A search for url:* highlights almost every word - which sucks for spam discovery

Spurred by the crusade against r0uter-switch.com spam, I decided to make a cursory search for possible router spam. Most of the posts contained no links though, so I noticed we have an advanced search for URLs. I ran a search for url:* router, ideally to show all posts that mention 'router' and ...