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5:01 PM
Do I sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist when I wonder if there is some concerted effort (by an indivual or group) to bring down Stack Overflow by asking tons of crappy questions in some kind of automated way (thus driving away all the good users)?
 
yes
@JanDvorak gets popcorn
 
@jadarnel27 it's not a concerted effort. It's the natural evolution that every site has to fight or accept.
@Undo I don't expect any further activity on this question. If you do notice something, please let me know.
Wow. This one actually got rejected: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4701934
 
wow
that restores a tiny bit of my faith in humanity.
 
@JanD I don't think that's exactly true. Not every site gets to the point where they're getting eight thousand questions per day, the majority of which are total crap.
Or, I wouldn't expect so.
I haven't exactly done formal research across internet communities with user generated content.
 
^ HALP IT'S ABOUT TO GET APPROVED!
whew
that was close
 
5:11 PM
is that a crappy connection I'm facing, or a crappy computer?

Most likely both.
 
@JanDvorak those messages are received...
 
@JanDvorak is incredible the amount of times that both conditions are met in my country
 
@jadarnel27 By all means raise that in another MSO question with a dramatic title. Something is "apocalypse" will do.
 
@rene all three of them?
(by now I have disconnected/reconnected manually about four times)
 
@Bart "Is Experts Exchange or Anonymous behind the apocalyptic demise of Stack Overflow?"
2
 
5:18 PM
not sure if audit...

or just another disconnect
 
Subtitle "Or are Nazi moderators on the loose" @jadarnel27 Other than that, perfect.
 
@Bart Nice touch.
 
I think I'm doing something wrong :P
 
@Undo use tabs :-)
 
5:27 PM
Yeah @Undo ... a Mac ....
 
heh'
I'm running a Ruby scraper thingymabobber.
WebDriver
 
@Undo does that cause you to have a ton of windows open? How?
 
no idea
Oh
When my script crashes, it doesn't have time to close all the WebDriver FF instances.
 
shouldn't it / you use a headless browser?
 
meh
It can
but I'm too lazy to make it do that.
And anyway, it's kinda neat watching it go through all the pages.
 
5:32 PM
huh... "not really spam, but still needs closing" is apparently a type of audit now... stackoverflow.com/questions/23299745/…
> Our system has identified this post as possible spam or review audit; please review carefully
 
it says possible review audit?
 
that's what I read
 
weird
 
doesn't mean it was actually written there ;-)
 
huh
goes back to coding
 
5:35 PM
the text says "... as possible spam". " or review audit" was what my brain automatically added.
 
I love the fresh new start for MSO, but man there seems to be a lot of whine in there at the moment.
 
@Bart that's a good thing, isn't it?
 
Meh, some of it, perhaps. But a lot of it seems to be "I can complain about this same old thing again because you can't close it against a duplicate".
 
true
 
Then again, perhaps I'm simply a grumpy old man. Who knows.
 
5:43 PM
I don't really touch anything on mSO unless I see it in the sidebar. Then I might go read it.
 
well, the human nature is to challenge the way the world is, trying to find the why's of the things
 
If I had only the slightest impression that's what they wanted out of several discussions, I wouldn't mind it @Braiam
And it that case I wouldn't refer to it as "whine" anyway.
 
6:31 PM
I think some good discussion has come out of some of those conversations being rehashed by the actual SO community.
 
Some, sure. Hence why I still like the fresh new start.
 
Right. Yeah, I agree with you that there is probably some abuse of that fresh newness.
 
And I'm just a grumpy bastard.
 
Well yeah.
No one's disputing that.
Jerk.
 
6:54 PM
/me wonders if it can still be offensive if it's true ....
 
7:07 PM
@Bart saying the truth is always offensive... nobody wants their faults pointed :P
 
I personally don't mind @Braiam. Then again, if you're as perfect as I am, you have nothing to fear.
That I've stayed this humble is beyond me.
 
its so annoying, that the auto-login message thing "refresh the page to login or whatever it says" , like barely ever works. It use to work all the time. Now it only works like 10% of the time or so. This has been going on for like 2 months now. I don't want to start a question about it, since it will be closed as a duplicate, but it really has me visiting SE less, since it's annoying to type in the username and pw for each site I'm a member of.
 
works all the time for me
 
Intermittent for me as well. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
 
although it often works when I don't want it to work and it pops up that annoying banner thing when I just want to read a hot question or something.
 
7:19 PM
I'd much rather have that problem @Undo , lol
 
Is it on any site or particular sites?
 
where is the metaQ about "explain the downvote, pls?" comments?
 
@Stilly.stack You are still on IE8?
 
505
Q: Encouraging people to explain downvotes

ChrisFI used to get "upset" (though that is too strong a term) when I got downvoted without comment. If my answer isn't good enough then I'd like to know why. Not only does it improve the answer for the OP but it improves my knowledge too. Where the down-vote has been explained I've found it useful & ...

That one @Braiam?
 
no, about how to flag them @Bart
 
7:22 PM
@rene No. I have noticed weird behavior where it did do that sometimes. Like one day it would work fine when switching to CodeReview, but not MetaSO/SE, and then the next vice versa. Now it just usally doesn't work 8.5/10 times. I left IE back in 2006, haven't been back.
 
not constructive or too chatty, do not remember
 
34
Q: Is asking reasons for downvote in comments non-constructive?

devnullSeveral users tend to scream in comments Why was my answer downvoted and such whenever their post is downvoted. (The reason for downvote might be legitimate or not, that's not the point.) My question is are such comments constructive? I might have deferred asking but the official stand on urgi...

 
@Stilly.stack And you don't have errors on the dev console when that happens?
 
this seems to be the one meta.stackexchange.com/q/37090/213575
 
7:29 PM
@Stilly.stack Strange, I don't recall it ever failed for me.
 
yes... very unclear even after Google Translate
 
you out of close votes?
 
Yes
sorry
 
"I'm new with the API mallet, I need a code example on the use CRF for named entity recognition" - is what it says. So yea, i figured it coulda been closed as something else to.
 
7:41 PM
I'm also out of down-votes...
 
ohhh! when was the message and the link of the association bonus message changed?
 
Can anyone think of a compelling reason to make this list harder to read?
 
@rene did you understand the problem here? I really don't get what he's asking.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE not at all
 
Oh, I see they did it for easy copy/paste.
I guess reading it isn't really the point.
 
7:48 PM
@Stijn I didn't check, I edited out the tag in the title. Looks like he needs a List<> of that Settings thingy
 
I swear I just removed the JS tag stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4702928
 
with regard to wether or not retag only should be done by low-rep users...
 
-2
A: Can you run a VB application in full-screen?

orgasmingsex orgasm ohhhhhhhh and then i had sex AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

 
sex is a bad, very bad word
 
not offensive, nor spam....
 
8:00 PM
finally, you can use the NAA flag
 
I think these posts would need their dedicated "bad flag" other than just NAA
 
@Braiam Something funny is going on. Someone reverted your edit, and all I did was change the post body and title, and somehow tags were removed :s
Ah found it, two of those tags are now synonyms of
 
8:55 PM
@Stilly.stack did you reject many edits of that user?
WAT? That user has not rejected ONCE....
 
> dreftymac has approved 233 edit suggestions and rejected 4 edit suggestions
 
OK, granted four rejections...
 
@rene the four of them are obviously audits :P
review audits are so easy to identify :/
 
Yeah, that user has now a meta post and I'm not sure what he is suggesting...
 
What if he just uses skip instead of reject when he comes across one that should be rejected?
 
9:09 PM
That is what he had be doing
But he is banned now, by a mod if I understand servy's answer
So it is not a bug, it is a feature!
 
What is?
 
-1
Q: Bug: possible logic flaw in the review auditing system

dreftymacHypothesis Stackoverflow contains some automated review auditing logic. The goal is to ensure that reviewers are paying attention and not blindly accepting content without critical scrutiny. The logic implemented to reach this goal is flawed however, because it incorrectly identifies favorable ...

 
@rene rofl, I flagged him for roboreviewing :P
 
:)
 
9:18 PM
/me starts a revenge downvoting on @Undo
 
:(
 
:/
 
You've also approved other things that really shouldn't have. I went through the first two pages of your reviews and found this one and this one, for example. Don't make it look like you're getting something you don't deserve. — Undo 30 secs ago
I hate it when people play dumb like that.
 
9:39 PM
"identify unfavorable performance by giving specific guidance on how such performance can be improved" next time you see an edit like that, reject it ;). — Braiam 8 secs ago
that's not bullying right?
 
Hi I just want to know why I can't use hyperlinks to file hosted on rsync?
 
@user2284570 because is EVIL
 
grrrrrr....
@Braiam More seriously?
stackoverflow.com/posts/23417114/edit (there are no hyperlink)
 
> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (rsync) isn't associated with any program.
@user2284570 how about a real link I can download with http ;)
 
When you talk about gentoo you end-up with rsync. Otherwise why not browsing with a presto based opera?
 
9:49 PM
@user2284570 that host is dead either way...
 
@Braiam It work for me... Do you have ipv6?
(ipv6 only : like more and more websites)
 
@user2284570 there, a link that works for everyone ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/gentoo/experimental/mips/stages
 
na some mips arch are missing
 
:(
 
That's why I try to make an rsync link
 
9:58 PM
@user2284570 Why would you link to rsync-hosted files? I doubt any browser supports accessing files via rsync...
 
old opera. Firefox with a extension
 
Ok, so nothing relevant. Old browsers are security holes and probably less than 0.001% of all SE users have that plugin (actually a plugin and not just an extension?)...
 
Anyway if you go to official gentoo sites links to rsync are very common
 
Yes, but Gentoo uses them only to sync the portage tree, not for you to access stuff directly...
 
same things: most peoples can't access the links with their browsers.
 
10:18 PM
One another question about the meta split : would it be a good idea to let users migrating (reviewed) their own questions which belong to meta.stackoverflow?
anyone?
 
You can already do that through delete -> repost
 
@3ventic It don't work for answers. Moreover, it would lead to a question ban.
 
Deleting one question won't lead to a question ban on its own, especially not on meta, and by the time you get answers, migration is probably not even useful.
 
No : you can be banned.
 
You can be.
Doesn't mean you are likely to be.
 
10:31 PM
> on its own
There are other heavily downvoted or deleted questions at that point.
A single deleted question won't do it.
 
Yes, but many ones can do it.
 
Well you shouldn't be posting many questions on the wrong site ;)
 
"Yes, deleted questions (if less than 30 days old when deleted) and deleted answers count towards an automatic ban.

It's not a problem to have deleted posts. But if a large percentage of your posts are deleted by yourself"
 
If you're posting more off-topic than on-topic questions, perhaps a question ban is warranted to make you post on the correct site instead.
I'm not saying they don't count, I'm saying that you need more than one before it can happen.
 
So deleting you own postS would lead to a ban
 
10:34 PM
Deleting one of your posts - even your only one - will not lead to a ban.
Deleting many can lead to a ban
7 mins ago, by 3ventic
Deleting one question won't lead to a question ban on its own, especially not on meta, and by the time you get answers, migration is probably not even useful.
(Notice one question and on its own)
 
@3ventic and it's the low-scoring posts that contribute to an automatic ban when you delete them - positively scoring posts should be fine. Deleting a whole bunch might raise a flag for mods, but they'll probably see what's going on.
 
That's what I'm saying : deleting 1k questions with the purpose of migrating make a ban.
 
You're not deleting a thousand questions.
so you have nothing to worry about
... and you can always flag your post to be migrated if you want.
 
@Undo You can only delete 5 a day, which is not a lot..
 
@Undo There's no flag category for migration on Meta.SE.
 
10:37 PM
custom
 
You can use the other (♦ requires moderator attention)
 
I did on SO for a long time : it rarely happen : question are just closed.
 
It depends on the question and target site.
For a question to be migrated it usually needs to be a very good quality one, and the target site must not be a beta site. (Exceptions exist, but they're just that, exceptions)
 
11:32 PM
 
Does it also use up your daily delete votes?
 
yep
 
Wow that's shitty then
 
@Braiam am I missing something here? If you're voting to delete things, why wouldn't it use your delete votes?
 
@Shog9 because they are not -1 posts
 
11:35 PM
...
 
IMO I cannot vote them
 
You can from review
 
:(
 
I'd rather use my delete votes on old off-topic questions rather than new low quality posts, especially when recommending deletion seems to work fine against those..
 
^
 
11:36 PM
just requires a few more people to review it
 
you can use your delete votes on whatever you want
 
mmm... where is the thingy to see only my review's...
 
it's in close votes history
It doesn't exist in the other queues for whatever reason.
 
none of the posts that I voted to delete resulted in deletion by community, but by moderators
 
so?
Having delete votes from the community on something makes a mod's decision much easier.
 
11:42 PM
yeah, but it was only my vote (1)
 
still quite helpful
 
But a "recommend deletion" would do the job as well, without using a vote that could be used on other crap that's not flagged.
 
0
A: Why I'm casting delete votes in the Low Quality review queue?

Shog9Don't really see the problem here. You get X number of delete votes per day (between 5 and 30, depending on reputation - so by the time you can vote to delete answers, you'll have at least 15). You can use them on whatever you want: questions or answers. Review gives you a bit of a boost by all...

 
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