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Werner

7:19 PM

Papiro

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Anna Lear

thanks

Werner

@AnnaLear I have nothing against the user... just curious as to how it is possible to do this... and it's an obvious bug.

Louis

cv-pls-typo stackoverflow.com/questions/23277598/…

Laszlo Papp

is it possible to close a tag?

Louis

The comment of the OP on the lone answer to that question is evidence that the problem was a typo, but how the OP is trying to turn this into a "debug my application" session.

Laszlo Papp

7:28 PM

I am yet to see an on topic question on Stack Overflow tagged as licensing and/or any of its variants.

Louis

Burninate a tag? No?

Laszlo Papp

Louis: will not help if they keep using it.

Louis

I thought burninating meant "you can't use it again ever". Did I misunderstand?

Laszlo Papp

that would be fine.

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/licensing

Louis

I guess burnination is done by request on meta.

Laszlo Papp

7:31 PM

3193 questions to burn? :P

Louis

Oh, the questions have to be closed and deleted.

Laszlo Papp

stackoverflow.com/tags/licensing/synonyms

Louis

It's the tag that gets burninated.

Laszlo Papp

and all of its synonym zoo :P

I know, yet you need to deal with so many questions that it gets almost impossible.

for now, I think it should be locked

Louis

AFAIK the thing to do is to bring it up on meta.

Laszlo Papp

7:32 PM

I might be wrong, but I cannot possibly imagine an on-topic licensing question on stack overflow.

cv-pls-licensing stackoverflow.com/questions/23277925/…

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23275738/…

Louis

I also can't imagine any licensing question to be on topic for SO.

Braiam

@LaszloPapp there's a ongoing campaign to close them all

Laszlo Papp

weird... a deleted question is still shown in the queue on my end...

even after refreshing the browser.

Jan Dvorak

@LaszloPapp have you tried restarting your PC?

Laszlo Papp

@Braiam: it would be awesome to migrate them rather than closing and deleting.

@JanDvorak: hah :)

Louis

7:38 PM

Try rebooting the universe. :P

Laszlo Papp

you cannot reboot what does not exist :P

it seems to be gone... perhaps it needs a bit of time.

IMHO, it would make sense to create a separate site for licensing.

Braiam

@LaszloPapp migrate them to "where"?

Laszlo Papp

but I am not sure if there were actually lawyers there interested, etc, other than just a few geek chaps with potentially false assumption.

@Braiam: programmers

Bart

Only if they are not older than 60 days.

And not crap

Laszlo Papp

I think the 60 days rule is not compelling in this case.

Bart

7:44 PM

I think it is, because it's hard limit. So, there you go.

Laszlo Papp

since migrating non-closed questions are still better than losing all the knowledge in there.

Bart

So leave them on SO if they aren't utter crap.

Laszlo Papp

Why would you leave them there? If they are closed they cannot be answered, discussed, etc.

and they surely get closed for being off-topic.

Bart

Because it would be "still better than losing all the knowledge in there" as a wise man once said.

Laszlo Papp

it is pretty much freezing the whole thing. It does not make much sense to me. It is a bit like "We cannot migrate because we cannot migrate". Do not forget, rules are for making the world a better place, not blocking that.

Bart

7:47 PM

Hey, be my guest and propose it.

Braiam

in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Braiam

do you guys allow software licensing questions?

in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by GlenH7

"what license should I use?" <--- No

Laszlo Papp

They will also get downvoted to oblivion (for good) on Stack Overflow.

Braiam

in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 59 secs ago, by GlenH7

"How does this aspect of the GPL play out in this type of code ..." <--- generally yes

Bart

Don't mind if I start with my "not gonna happen" dance though. And finish it off with my "told you so dance" once that has been established.

Laszlo Papp

meh

Bart

7:48 PM

Your lack of enthusiasm for my dances is disappointing.

Louis

Can we get a video of the "not gonna happen" dance? See, I'm enthusiastic.

Bart

Nah, I'm upset now. Screw it.

Louis

It's the sulking dance then.

Laszlo Papp

What does the number mean on the right side of a flagged content in the flag queue list on my profile? Is that some kind of moderator vote?

Anna Lear

@LaszloPapp What number?

Bart

7:52 PM

? got a pic of that?

Laszlo Papp

no, it is private data, sorry.

Bart

I know you flag all my content. Don't worry.

Laszlo Papp

it is usually not there though, hence asking.

Anna Lear

I have no idea what number you're talking about.

Laszlo Papp

you cannot because I do not have flag content :)

Anna Lear

7:53 PM

Oh wait, to the right of a question title?

Laszlo Papp

@AnnaLear: that is alright, I have no idea either how to describe it better or what the confusion is, etc.

Anna Lear

That's the number of answers.

Bart

That, right @LaszloPapp?

Braiam

@Bart wut? 10k flag queue?

Bart

Nah, just in your own flag list.

Laszlo Papp

7:56 PM

@AnnaLear: thanks.

Braiam

ahh

Laszlo Papp

I imagine it only comes up for flagged questions?

Anna Lear

yes

Laszlo Papp

ok, I think this is my first question flag.

Anna Lear

well, questions and comments on questions. basically, whenever the main post is a question

Laszlo Papp

7:57 PM

ok, thanks.

Bart

@LaszloPapp Hover on the number ...

rene

And now for something completly different: What is the link for tag wiki guidelines? Is it this?

Laszlo Papp

@Bart: mouse is for weaks :)

Second Rikudo

@LaszloPapp Stare at the number intently.

Anna Lear

Two things are certain on Stack Exchange: caching and tooltips.

Bart

7:59 PM

@rene yep

@AnnaLear and waffles. Don't forget waffles.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded 20 years for me too, but it was on a 386 DX computer, running good old DOS.

Anna Lear

@Bart and off-by-one errors

rene

@Bart OK tnx...

Shadow Wizard

Oh, I missed waffles? :(

Bart

Heh

Laszlo Papp

8:03 PM

but I do not understand why the license tag is not locked if it is under closure.

questions keep coming.

although what would probably help is content check before submitting for typical keywords, like license, etc.

or if someone wants to tag a question with license, it could get suspicious for the sanity checker, too.

"user was removed" is displayed if a user is deleted by mods as well as him/herself?

Braiam

@LaszloPapp ask for blacklisting ;)

Anna Lear

@LaszloPapp users can't delete themselves if they've voted

Laszlo Papp

@AnnaLear: ok, so this user was removed by mods, apparently, then.

since he gave me at least two downvotes I assume, based on the +2 I got by his removal.

Anna Lear

not necessarily

Bart

You might have downvoted him twice @LaszloPapp?

Anna Lear

8:16 PM

wait, yeah. but one downvote, not two.

@Bart or that

Bart

Maybe you're the cause of all of that. You downvoted him and now he's so upset that he left. Think of that ... tsk tsk @LaszloPapp :)

Laszlo Papp

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23278876/…

@Bart: no, I only downvoted questions.

@AnnaLear: yes, one downvote.

that question would deserve the oblivion tag :)

Second Rikudo

> 15.6k followers, 232.7k questions

Nice! Since when is that? @AnnaLear?

Anna Lear

what?

Second Rikudo

When hovering over a tag, it now says how many followers and questions

It didn't use to do that.

Anna Lear

8:20 PM

oh. uh. since... last week? two weeks? something recent like that

Second Rikudo

Neat

Braiam

huh? I've always seen it, I think

Anna Lear

the followers was there, I think, but not the # of questions

Braiam

oh yeah, I remember having to click a tag to check the questions

Shadow Wizard

@AnnaLear actually that's kind of fulfils a feature request I made

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Q: Can we get the per-tag questions count when viewing a question?

Once upon a time, there used to be list of tags and the amount of questions per tag in a question page. It was located in the right sidebar, and for me was something "nice to have", quick way to know how popular tag is without having to click it. Now that the Hot Network Questions took over, we ...

feature-request tags

So feel free to post an answer and mark it completed. :)

Bart

8:31 PM

Or let Jin do so for GLORIOUS REP

Shadow Wizard

@Bart oh no, but that's not his doing ;)

Adding stuff in the popup requires a dev

Bart

8:59 PM

Hmm, can anyone think of a way in which I can establish if "downvoted into oblivion on Meta" is a reasonable fear for anyone posting on MSE?

Second Rikudo

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/23279610/871050

rene

mse is not yet in SEDE?

Braiam

maybe it's as MSO ;)

Bart

Nope, that actually seems to be the new MSO

P.s. @TimStone The meta site names for beta sites still have "Stack Exchange" appended to the end in SEDE. You're taking care of that, right?

rene

In 6-8 weeks...

Braiam

9:08 PM

6-8 units

rene

You could help by providing a migration for the sites table on the github repo...

Bart

What on the where who what now?

rene

I take that as a yes

Bart

I'm not signing anything!

Braiam

too late

Shadow Wizard

9:13 PM

@Bart wasn't it always the #1 fear preventing users from posting on Meta?

Bart

Absolutely. I'm still scared every single time I come here.

But I just get annoyed by these blanket statements like "users are afraid of Meta", "users will get downvoted into oblivion on Meta".

Shadow Wizard

@Bart why annoyed? Those are dry facts: questions many times get lots of downvotes, this intimidates users.

Bart

"Many times" is how many @ShadowWizard? "Many times" == "unjustifiably so"? Is it true that "users are afraid"?

It would not annoy me if it was backed up with something other than "gut feeling" or "hearsay" or an "everybody know that..."

rene

Maybe the gammification is taken too seriously by some users?

Bart

If users are afraid of Meta, I wonder if it is so because they have something to be afraid of, or because other users tell them they have to be afraid of Meta.

Absolutely @rene

And there is a whole bunch of "all constructive criticism is welcome as long as it's positive and you all like what I propose".

rene

9:28 PM

That ^^^^

Shadow Wizard

@Bart I see from time to time someone mentions in a comment that he's afraid of posting in Meta (now MSE) and can understand the feeling of a newbie suddenly getting -10 on what he believes to be innocent bug report/support questions/discussion etc.

Can't give numbers, but can't swipe that under the rug either.

Bart

Certainly. I've seen them as well

And I've seen plenty of users chime in with "you're absolutely right. It happened to me as well"

Shadow Wizard

I'll never advice anyone to not go to MSE but I might give a friendly warning "you might get downvotes, don't take it personally".

Bart

Only for me to realize that that particular users experienced it because they kept contributing drivel at an alarming rate, ignoring all warnings

That's why I'm interested in figures

Shadow Wizard

@Bart try SEDE over SO comments then, though it's likely over all sites

Bart

9:39 PM

Myeah, I'll see what I can come up with. I guess it's time for a nap now though. I need all my energy to write a bunch of angry emails tomorrow.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart great, be a teaser ;)

(or share some more, why angry emails?)

Bart

Man, if only I could. But a lovely NDA prevents all that for at least another year.

Anyway, cya.

Shadow Wizard

@Bart grr... fine then, go to sleep and leave us all wondering what makes you so furious :)

rene

data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackoverflow/query/185639/…

Shadow Wizard

Let's move on, I just realized someone spent 3000 rep in bounties over this feature request and it's finally done!

@rene well, the first is the most famous Meta troll afaik

rene

9:47 PM

Yeah, I noticed that

Shadow Wizard

wait, it's for MSO

Yup, so guess we'll wait :)

rene

Yeah, as I said that is not in SEDE ... yet...

Shadow Wizard

oops, edited instead of posting new message

hate when it happens, too bad we can't rollback chat message to previous revision!

@Jaydles hey, just in time! Any chance you'll add rollback option for chat messages? :D

rene

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Q: In the SEDE the data for meta stackexchange is missing

In the Data Explorer this site, Meta StackExchnage, is missing. Can this be added to the weekly data dump, please?

support data-explorer

Jaydles

@ShadowWizard, surprisingly, that's exactly what I came here to do!! Oh, no -wait. That may not have been it.

Shadow Wizard

9:53 PM

lol

it would have been really amusing if it was though :)

rene

I will never learn to tag correctly...

Shadow Wizard

support instead of feature request, @rene? That's horrible :p

rene

I know. And again it is Anna to the rescue...that happened before...

Shadow Wizard

And now the oneboxed item above will shame you for eternity ;)

rene

Sorry Anna...

The down-side of feature-request is that it immediately moves to the 6-8 weeks schedule...

Shadow Wizard

9:57 PM

@Jaydles while you're here, I was always curious if you're the direct boss of the CM's?

@rene not always, sometimes simple feature requests get implemented quickly.

And Data Explorer is pretty important tool so it's likely it'll get high priority

rene

Ah, and you want to make a bet on that?

Shadow Wizard

@rene sure, I put 50 {something here} that it will be done in less than a week.

Jaydles

@ShadowWizard, if you're asking if anyone listens to me, things are a bit ambiguous. If you mean from a reporting perspective, then yes - the CMs are all on my team (along with a couple of growth managers/PMs), and we don't have other levels of management on the team.

rene

@ShadowWizard OK. accepted

Shadow Wizard

@Jaydles thanks, good to know that! I once had an idea to draw a diagram of Stack Exchange employees hierarchy but didn't take me long to realize I don't have enough information.

So just fishing for pieces of information sometimes, to feed my curiosity. :)

@rene so 50 {something here} for me if it's done in less than a week, 50 for you otherwise?

rene

10:04 PM

Yep

Jaydles

@ShadowWizard, we try to minimize hierarchy, which obviously gets trickier as we grow. Just remember that if you do try to draw the SE pyramid, you have to draw it upside-down.

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Shadow Wizard

@Jaydles lol, good stuff! Stack Exchange always got to be special, isn't it? :D

Jaydles

Our org is still pretty flat - most of the company reports to someone who reports to Joel. (It's a lot deeper in sales due to regional managers and stuff, and there are "team lead" roles where someone is the senior group or project manager, but the "official" org is kept pretty flat wherever we can.

@ShadowWizard :)

Shadow Wizard

@Jaydles well, being the one who founded the whole thing it makes sense. :)

Shadow Wizard

10:20 PM

@Jaydles one last question, do you have weekly meetings with brainstorming and everything? :)

Tim Stone

@Bart I'll ask Nick why that case isn't handled right

@ShadowWizard Strictly speaking it's probably a bug since the data updated and the omission isn't intentional as far as I know. :P

@Jaydles We all know that it's not a pyramid anyway, it's a ping pong/MtG tournament bracket.

hichris123

10:52 PM

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Q: So what the heck is a "florp"?

I saw a link to the current SE podcast on the sidebar on SO and thought I'd check it out because I didn't know what a "florp" is: The bulletin didn't describe / define the word. I Googled it and the top result is NSFW, so I won't include it here. Somehow I don't think that "florp" in the SE ...