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Tim Stone

7:00 PM

Also, lunch should have been so three hours ago, but it was not. Should fix that..

Trufa

My browsing history of today.

Fosco

10 minutes worth, at least.

Michael Mrozek

WTF happened in April, guys? Unacceptable

Tim Stone

7:15 PM

@MichaelMrozek That's chat.SO anyway, who cares? ;)

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone Oh yeah, I missed that part. You're forgiven, MSO. For now

Rebecca Chernoff

chat.se had the same dip >_<

Tim Stone

UNACCEPTABLE!

Oh wait, in April?

Michael Mrozek

We're not chat.se either, as far as I know

Tim Stone

I was on vacation then, that must have been it. I inspire people to talk.

@MarcGravell Why can I not search for single letters in chat search without it giving me a broken error page? I suppose I don't mind it snubbing me for the single letter search, but it could have told me off more gracefully. :P

Michael Mrozek

7:21 PM

Someone noticed that earlier with *

Main site search used to crash when you did that too; that's a weird bug

Tim Stone

nods

Marc Gravell

looking

Tim Stone

Much appreciated.

Where's that arrow supposed to be pointing, @MichaelMrozek?

Michael Mrozek

Tim Stone

Oh, is it supposed to be read bottom to top? I guess that might work. -1 anyway.

Ah, touché.

Michael Mrozek

7:25 PM

I forgot about my profile, but people don't usually go there

Rebecca Chernoff

@MichaelMrozek there's no graph for chat.mso >_<

Marc Gravell

"Null or empty full-text predicate." sigh; codez is hard

Tim Stone

Only because you haven't gone and put one together by hand yet.

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone I got in a...disagreement with some people who felt we need to specify which site we're mods on, which I find pointless since there's a handy logo right there on the box, so I changed my profile message to be passive-agressive

Marc Gravell

debuggering it now

Tim Stone

7:26 PM

@MarcGravell That's why I'm being lazy and not writing any at the moment...though I suppose that should change.

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone I didn't make the other 2 (:

Fosco

i like passiveaggressivenotes.com

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Ah, well in that case, never mind, +1 to you.

@RebeccaChernoff I know, but I figured the other two weren't made completely by hand either, so that's OK. Off to the transcripts!

badp's sockpuppet

@MichaelMrozek It doesn't work if you join a per-site room you have an account on

For example, in the bridge, you'll see the arrow will point to the Gaming heart.

Michael Mrozek

@badpssockpuppet I know, but it really only matters when I'm in a mod room or UL, and those are the cases where it's accurate

I should probably just blank it again like it was before

Rebecca Chernoff

7:29 PM

@TimStone transcripts?

Tim Stone

@badpssockpuppet I don't think that's true? I always see my parent user icon there, no matter which room I'm in.

balpha

@MichaelMrozek chat.SE saw the same dip in April

@badpssockpuppet not anymore; I recently changed that

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Never mind, it's not funny anymore. I suspect it wasn't funny to begin with, but I'm throwing in the towel. :P

balpha

(unless you never refreshed your javascript since then, @badpssockpuppet)

Rebecca Chernoff

13 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff

chat.se had the same dip >_<

(:

Michael Mrozek

7:31 PM

13 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

We're not chat.se either, as far as I know

balpha

But I speak with authority!

Michael Mrozek

(:

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone funny or not, I have no clue what you're on about. (:

Michael Mrozek

That's a good point

balpha

chat.meta also took a deep dive in April, and didn't recover

Rebecca Chernoff

7:32 PM

@balpha oy

Octavian Damiean

MSO is quite confusing at times

Tim Stone

@balpha chat.SE is much more relevant to use than chat.se (Potentially not work safe, if your work filter is really anal) anyway.

balpha

Michael Mrozek

That looks like...ANALYTICS DATA!

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I was jokingly suggesting you should go count messages and make us the graph, is all. Clearly my delivery was fail. :P

balpha

7:34 PM

@MichaelMrozek that's a dev route I hacked in when Joel said "OMGOMGOMG There's a board meeting tomorrow, quick, give me something so I can prove to them that it's worth paying two guys full time to hang out in a web chat"

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone I did not pick up on that at all, heh.

Tim Stone

@balpha Yeah, I think there are several factors that influenced that. Hopefully most of them are only temporary.

@RebeccaChernoff Yeah......yeah. nods

balpha

note that the chat.meta traffic includes our private company rooms, so that data isn't really representative of anything

Michael Mrozek

makes a note in ~/diabolical-plans/websites/stack-overflow

Tim Stone

@balpha That's only because you don't have a column that counts how many times the Wheel of Blame was spun.

balpha

7:40 PM

executes rm -rf /home/mmrozek/ after having easily logged in

Octavian Damiean

deleting the user directory is lame, rm -rf / is way better :p

balpha

now that would be cruel

I approve

Octavian Damiean

or aliasing every possible regularly used command to rm -rf /, that way he will do it himself :p

Michael Mrozek

@OctavianDamiean It's Linux, nobody cares about anything outside the homedir. I just moved computers; I got a list of every package installed on the old one, mass installed them all overnight, and rsynced my homedir to the new machine and it worked perfectly

Octavian Damiean

well having backups is lame as well, who uses backups anyway? :D

jcolebrand

7:45 PM

remind me, who's responsible for this snippet? [metaso]

Michael Mrozek

My backups are always out of date; I should really do something about that

jcolebrand

@TimStone yeah, that missed the mark ...

Octavian Damiean

sync each and every folder to Ubuntu One (of course that was a joke)

jcolebrand

So anyways, who remembers what post that bracketed bit is referenced on?

Michael Mrozek

@jcolebrand What in the world are you talking about?

balpha

7:48 PM

58

A: Add data.SE style "magic links" to comments

Most of these now work. My comment below has the following markdown source: On [main], you are expected to write proper English (as advertised on [english.se]), but here on [metaso] it's more important to have freehand circles, so please [edit] your post, otherwise I'll have to flag you (see ...

jcolebrand

@balpha that's it ~ Thanks. Added a comment. See what you make of it

Octavian Damiean

no self yet :(

balpha

It's my runner-up highest voted answer; only second to the March Rep Recalc comic

@jcolebrand scroll the comment thread up to my conversation with fretje

Tim Stone

I'm just glad you implemented it before I added it to the userscript.

jcolebrand

@balpha well I disagree tho.

you're already converting it on the fly. Just let it be the site - postId and not display the title

I mean, fwiw, these are shorthand syntax anyways

but like when we're in chat, and know an id, those are a lot easier to type

shall I work up the whole bit and then present it for dissection?

Tim Stone

7:53 PM

Admittedly I'm not convinced that I know the ID if I can't equally as easily copy the link.

jcolebrand

@TimStone bah

SHORTHAND

balpha

23 secs ago, by Tim Stone

Admittedly I'm not convinced that I know the ID if I can't equally as easily copy the link.

That.

Rebecca Chernoff

I'd hypothesize it could be more useful for users. I do have some user ids memorized.

jcolebrand

http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/92060#94000 is a valid SO URL. [metaso:92060#94000] is the minified representation of that. Which is a lot less characters than the URL.

Octavian Damiean

yes -1

balpha

7:54 PM

How often do you link to them in comments?

jcolebrand

wtf chat? grrr

@balpha often enough that shorthand would save characters.

balpha

it's not the point of those shorthands to save characters

it's the point to save time

Rebecca Chernoff

he wants to cheat!

jcolebrand

@RebeccaChernoff this.

Marc Gravell

You can now search for single-letter queries without it failing

it won't find anything, but you can search anyway

Tim Stone

7:56 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Do you link to specific users in comments often though? Otherwise don't we already have that in the chat userscript?

balpha

ah, Marc deployed chat, hence the hickup

jcolebrand

oh, that's why I dupe posted

Marc Gravell

agreed - any hickups: blame me

Tim Stone

@MarcGravell Awesome. And that's reasonable, I just was surprised it crashed and burned. Why is the error page all ugly anyway?

Marc Gravell

whadya mean ugly? do you not find that cat attractive?

balpha

7:57 PM

he's right though, it's ugly

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone no, exactly, I don't. And since I think it'd be more useful for users than posts, and I don't exactly see it being useful for users....well, suffice it to say I'm not overly excited about the feature request. (:

balpha

and we need our own 500 image

Tim Stone

Yeah, I meant more the lack of a header and footer and stylesheet. :P

@RebeccaChernoff Ah, gotcha.

Marc Gravell

partly - which one (of many) would we use?

but we can probably do a bit better than that, I s'pose

Rebecca Chernoff

@MarcGravell you'll have to do a lot of A/B testing. (:

Marc Gravell

8:00 PM

in fairness, we try not to show people that page too often

Tim Stone

But breaking things is just so much fun!

Marc Gravell

it can be tidier, sure - but I'd rather fix the bugs than spend a week making the best fail page ever

maybe with animated 3d css courtesy Jin

Octavian Damiean

don't forget unicornz!

Michael Mrozek

Clever errors annoy me. I found the "aww snap!" page funny the first time; now when I get it I think "maybe you guys should spend less time being hilarious and more time making sure I don't see this"

Tim Stone

It's even more exciting when the tab process that crashed actually had several tabs in it, and you have to go hunting for the failface favicons.

Octavian Damiean

8:03 PM

wasn't the aww snap! thingy a chromium feature?

Michael Mrozek

@OctavianDamiean That's what I'm talking about, yes

balpha

I love annoying @MichaelMrozek.

0

Q: What picture should the chat error page have?

Besides that fact that chat's error page is ugly because it has no styling, it also steals borrows the error lolcat image from Stack Overflow. Of course we hope that nobody ever sees that page, but I'm sure we agree that's not going to happen, so we could at least have our own image. So, what p...

Octavian Damiean

I'm all for unicorns

Tim Stone

Ah, there you go, Charlie with his kidney removal scar.

Transplantin ur failz away from teh serverz. nods

sighs I really need to figure out how this code should function so I can actually write it.

Hogan

@MichaelMrozek That was me.

George Marian

8:17 PM

Ha! I just noticed an error in the query for this email alert. x68 Huh, George?

Heh :D

Got deputy! :D

congrats

Thanks!

8:38 PM

1

A: What picture should the chat error page have?

Instead of a picture it should just be a chat page where you can chat with all the other people who are getting errors right now.

interesting...

Octavian Damiean

:D

Hogan

Should be able to implement that in a few hours eh balpha?

Octavian Damiean

and what error picture would you put on that one then? Idea: another chat. The wonderful world of recursion

Michael Mrozek

I've always felt SO's error page should just embed a second SO so the Q&Aing can continue uninterrupted

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Hogan

"If you have questions about encountering this error page, please enter them below"

Octavian Damiean

8:41 PM

a typical question would look like, OMGWTFBBQ anyone else having problemz with SO?

balpha

Who downvoted the Matrix???

Hogan

Yeah!

grumble

Marc Gravell

good film; they should have made a sequel

jcolebrand

@balpha I did! It's not really conducive to the error is it?

Octavian Damiean

as far as I know something is in the making or at least planed

balpha

8:43 PM

@jcolebrand not being able to talk, you mean?

Hogan

@jcolebrand hates me :(

jcolebrand

@balpha I already can't talk

now if you want to implement the brainsuck interface...

You did get all that VC funding after all ...

Michael Mrozek

@Fosco This site is amazing

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek how have you not heard of that? You've heard of notalwaysright.com right?

Tim Stone

@balpha You should just do what Microsoft does when the server doesn't understand the request:

2 days ago, by Tim Stone

<script language="JavaScript">
<!-- begin hide
function goElseWhere()
{
	var oldURL = window.location.hostname + window.location.pathname;
	var newURL = "https://" + oldURL;
	window.location = newURL;
}
goElseWhere();
// end hide -->
</script>

Moshe

8:45 PM

0

Q: Can we get custom SE schwag for a higher price?

Is it possible to say, engrave my username and rep on a beer stein on the SE store? I'm sure many folks would pay more custom SE gear.

discussion shop

Michael Mrozek

@jcolebrand I've seen that one before; not the notes one

@Moshe We all live on meta; I continue to not understand why you feel the need to link your every post in here 30 seconds after you submit it

jcolebrand

@MichaelMrozek he also doesn't understand how email works

or the SEI global notification inbox

I'm also pretty sure he won't understand us talking about him with him right here ....

Moshe

Lol.

I'll cool it then.

Hogan

Some people have been reading to many passive aggressive notes.

Michael Mrozek

@Hogan I was passive-aggressive last time; this time I kicked it up a notch

jcolebrand

8:54 PM

@Hogan I usually just say it. Six or seven times to their face privately. Then to the room.

balpha

Hogan

I wasn't talking about you two... I was taking about myself. Thanks for those links -- now I won't get any work done for weeks.

balpha

I love the "Like button"

also, curse you @Fosco

Hogan

(True passive aggressiveness has plausible deniability.)

jcolebrand

Pffft, I can see I need to start posting my more esoteric hipster links in here more often. You people are easily amused by old news :p

Moshe

8:57 PM

lulz

Speaking of which, is it unsafe to follow their Twitter account, or is anyone a reasonable target as it is?

jcolebrand

wtf does that even mean?

Is it "unsafe" to follow whose twitter account?

Tim Stone

0

Q: why are stackoverflow users so dedicated

I have been posting questions on stackoverflow for about a month now. Every time I post one I receive fast answers that are exactly what I am looking for. Just so I can understand the site better i'd like to know why are the people who answer questions on here so dedicated and loyal to the site...

bug answers top-users

I like how it's tagged bug

balpha

retagged

Tim Stone

:D

Michael Mrozek

I think all my meta answers today are me being a smartass. I expect to hit the rep cap very soon

Tim Stone

9:03 PM

Hmm, seems chat returned a 409 error earlier. Let's hope it stops climbing the 40x response code chain before it gets to 418.

jcolebrand

You don't like teapots?

balpha

409 means you hit a throttle

Tim Stone

Interesting

Michael Mrozek

I'm surprised I don't get this more often:

jcolebrand

9 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

I think all my meta answers today are me being a smartass. I expect to hit the rep cap very soon

why would a smartass be inspiration?

Michael Mrozek

9:13 PM

I manage to do both

jcolebrand

ahhh, enlightening

Marc Gravell

@TimStone I've build a couple of times in the last while; going through a round of performance tweaks etc

Tim Stone

Ah, nifty. I think this was much earlier anyway, so I won't blame you this time ;)

Hogan

Spin the wheel!

Tim Stone

Also, I got the go-ahead to register for DevDays without having to pay out of my own pocket, hooray!

balpha

9:17 PM

@TimStone From the same company that pays you for hanging out in the Tavern? Shocking!

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone I was very tempted to ask, but I'm pretty sure my company isn't as foolish as yours

Tim Stone

@balpha I've got to do something while sitting in meetings I don't care much about.

@MichaelMrozek I get to pull out my officer card, which helps.

balpha

Officer Stone. Sounds like a cheap 80s crime series.

3

Michael Mrozek

9:33 PM

So do most of @TimStone's messages

Tim Stone

Well played.

balpha

Now be a little nice to @TimStone, he offered me a bottle of single malt.

Tim Stone

Yeah, exactly! Wait..

jcolebrand

I heard he offered a bottle of double malt to Mrozek to pick on him in public

something about sympathy

badp's sockpuppet

@balpha just one malt?

balpha

9:37 PM

By pure fluke, I've just checked my rep report - exactly 90,000 votes in total. (Presumably including downvotes.)

Tweeted by jonskeet on June 14, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Anyone believing the "by pure fluke" part raise your hands

badp's sockpuppet

raises hand

jcolebrand

@balpha it was a fluke that he did it moments before posting on twitter. I imagine the rest was planned.

and I'm gone. Let me announce to the world (the part that matters) that I'm gone. Bubye now! Bye!

Marc Gravell

9:52 PM

about as much fluke as this one, ahem:

balpha

that's ~~shopped~~ firebugged

Marc Gravell

now that happened purely by chance

@balpha sadly, not; I really am that mad

balpha

I see 13739 up, 403 down

did you retract a third of your downvotes since then?

Marc Gravell

very much not. If something has changed there, then I call "bug"

maybe they stopped counting on deleted items

(maybe "behavior change" more than "bug")

Tim Stone

I had 1111 up, 1 down on SO a while back. But I convinced myself to vote on a few more things since then.

Pekka's other trolling account

9:56 PM

Is there anyone in here who has experience with living in Utah?

(Seriously)

Tim Stone

People live in Utah?

Pekka's other trolling account

Apparently, yes

They even hosted the olympics once, didn't they?

A long, long time ago

balpha

@Pekkasothertrollingaccount just wants to have multiple wives

Pekka's other trolling account

@balpha hey, didn't think of that!

Tim Stone

Ah, Salt Lake City.

Pekka's other trolling account

9:57 PM

Utah is starting to sound interesting

Although to get polygamy, I could go to Libya

Shorter flight, and less visa hassle

balpha

"Utah" is what I imagine a horse with a british accent to sound like

Tim Stone

Utah has the Four Corners monument in it, but that's about all I know of it. I have a friend who lives to the south east in New Mexico, but I imagine it's quite different there.

Pekka's other trolling account

My question essentially would be, if you're the kind of person who would feel really comfortable living in (or close to) San Francisco for example, is Salt Lake City a place to move to? In terms of cultural life, diversity, laid-back lifestyle, and so on?

I assume the answer is "no" but I don't really know - all I know about either place is not based on real-world experience :)

Tim Stone

I can't imagine that Salt Lake City is anything like San Francisco, but you're right, I don't actually know that either...so good question.

Moshe

Do accepted answers work towards mortarboard? If so, how long does that take?

Hit 200 on SO today first time ever.

Woot.

Pekka's other trolling account

10:05 PM

@Moshe I don't think they do!

@Moshe Congratulations.

Tim Stone

35

A: List of all badges with full descriptions

Regular badges (M-Z) Jump to A-L Mortarboard bronze; awarded once; same family as Epic (silver), Legendary (gold) Earned more than 200 reputation in a single day Reputation source can be any vote type, upvotes, accepted answers, bounties...any net increase from votes (not association) totali...

Moshe

Meh. Well, thanks.

@Pekka - @popular's post seems to disagree. I am hopeful.

Thanks @Tim.

Tim Stone

I think Mortarboard is an "awarded approximately one hour after UTC badge," but it's been a while since I got that one, so my memory might be off.

Pekka's other trolling account

@Moshe I'm holding my thumbs for you, but @popular himself speaks differently here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59686/what-is-a-mortarboard

> To answer your final question, the badge usually shows up fairly quickly, within a day or so. As you noted in your edit, though, acceptances don't count; you need 200 rep from upvotes alone to qualify for the badge. See the big list of badge information.

Tim Stone

@Pekkasothertrollingaccount The behaviour changed recently, Nick Craver updated the badge description in April.

Moshe

10:10 PM

Well, here's the answer: