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M'vy

1:00 PM

But there were unicorns

I suggest a new hotline for SO. 1-800-STACK . "Welcome, if you want to know how to delete your account: press 1"

If you want to complain about a closed question, press 2

balpha

the actual number isn't far from that

it's 1-877-STACK-77

M'vy

it does exists?

balpha

yeah, I doubt they'd help you with those kinds of problems though :)

M'vy

what is that number for exactly? Bet it's not the meta.SO helpdesk :P

or is it?

badp's sockpuppet

@balpha Pity, you should totally make a labyrinthine menu for that

Ólafur Waage

1:07 PM

Oy!

tombull89

@ÓlafurWaage Nao.

badp's sockpuppet

> To cool down about your most recently closed question while navigating an overly byzantine menu system while mesmerized by my voice, or if you simply don't know what byzantine means, press 6 thrice.

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tombull89

yesterday, by drachenstern

PLEASE NOTE It has been decreed that the starring of Oy is no longer appropriate. Thank you for your kind and prompt attention to this matter.

badp's sockpuppet

@tombull89 A great reason to star oy's.

George Marian

> If that wasn't enough crazy for you, come visit Meta Stack Overflow once in a while.

LOL Very nice.

M'vy

1:08 PM

^^

loved it too

Ólafur Waage

@tombull89 fuck the police!

M'vy

@badpssockpuppet like yours too lol

tombull89

To complain about a moderator, press 4 - boop - please say which moderator you wish to co...oh my god a unicorn...*clatter*...*dial tone*

M'vy

looool

George Marian

lol

Ólafur Waage

1:11 PM

I own a domain. Would you like to hear about this domain I own?

ponyoverflow.com

Wanted

@ManjotSingh i can talk here, you?

@ManjotSingh ok i understand, sorry :(

Ólafur Waage

what is happening??

i r confus

Wanted

@ManjotSingh Today i missed you so much

@ÓlafurWaage Hello sir

Ólafur Waage

@Wanted can you see manjot talk in here?

Wanted

@ÓlafurWaage No he is banned

tombull89

1:15 PM

Wanted and Manjot (and one other) were at the center of "The Andriod Incident". Manjot was suspended from chat, Wanted was suspended from server rooms.

Wanted

@tombull89 i am suspend every where

Ólafur Waage

The android incident, sounds like the title of a very serious wikipedia article.

Wanted

i am surprised, how can i talk here?

i am really sorry what i did

Bad usage of such a nice place over internet is really my big fault

sorry @Reno

i will be nice after one month

@Reno forgive me

Reno

If your accounts exist after a month, I think you guys have taken it too far. Making 6-7 fake accounts will earn you a permaban.

M'vy

lol

Wanted

1:21 PM

bye the way why @ManjotSingh can't talk here as i was also banned as he?

Loïc Wolff

they probably forgot to ban you from chat.meta.SO

M'vy

You can complain on that I bet

Q: Why am I not banned from chat.meta.SO

Loïc Wolff

status... wait for it status-completed

Michael Mrozek

It worked for RichB

Loïc Wolff

I can't remember the red status syntax...

M'vy

1:25 PM

status-planned?

Yi Jiang

status-remember

M'vy

test

Loïc Wolff

but I did that... anyway.

Yi Jiang

Also, status-complete to do Meta tags

Wanted

@ManjotSingh facebook.com/Vaibhav.Jani

tombull89

1:28 PM

@Wanted you could always ask on meta.stackoverflow.com

Wanted

@tombull89 what? i didn't get it

tombull89

you could ask regarding the suspension/non-suspension on meta.stackoverflow (the discussion site for stackoverflow).

Wanted

@tombull89

Yi Jiang

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A: Comment appears in the inbox, but not in the responses

Those comments should have worked, this stemmed from an error in our responses SQL, the portion that grabs @reply comments wasn't quite right and is now fixed. You'll now see these comment replies in your responses tab. Since many users like detailed bug porn, here's what was wrong: SELECT c...

Wanted

i am afraid of this

-14

Q: How are moderators chosen?

Possible Duplicates: What recourse do I have if I believe a moderator has abused his/her privileges? How are moderator election votes counted, in plain English? I want to know how moderator make decision on just flagging. There might be some misunderstanding or moderator may took dec...

Yi Jiang

1:30 PM

Wohoo! Bug porn!

Loïc Wolff

@tombull89 Come on... are you that bored that you want him to make a fuss on Meta ? The mods have better things to do.

tombull89

@Wanted well, you seem to understand why you were suspended so this shouldn't happen.

@LoïcWolff Apologies, just saw how my comment could have been taken as potentially provocative.

Wanted

@tombull89 Yes i am and i am glad i can talk here to beg apology, please give this chance to @ManjotSingh also

Reno

Ólafur Waage

How is babby formed?

Wanted

1:34 PM

@Reno what is this?

its a facepalm

*facepaw

why?

Like someone said, when you guys beg it obviously looks like a 419 scam

Ólafur Waage

HAH!

Wanted

1:36 PM

Now what is 419 scam?

M'vy

go wiki LOL

Ólafur Waage

Advance-fee fraud

An advance-fee fraud is a confidence trick in which the target is persuaded to advance sums of money in the hope of realizing a significantly larger gain. Among the variations on this type of scam are the Nigerian Letter (also called the 419 fraud, Nigerian scam, Nigerian bank scam, or Nigerian money offer), the Spanish Prisoner, the black money scam as well as Russian/Ukrainian scam (also widespread, though far less popular than the former). The so-called Russian and Nigerian scams stand for wholly dissimilar organized-crime traditions; they therefore tend to use altogether different bre...

Wanted

@Reno you still think i am not repenting then i don't have way to realize you this

@Reno i am sorry, Ok

Reno

Don't ping me. That is all.

Wanted

Ok buy guys ..... all is well

George Marian

1:43 PM

@Reno That just may become my new /faceplam image.

Reno

(: plenty more from where that came from, tumblr is excellent,

George Marian

heh

tombull89

whatever you do, don't set that as a desktop background, tiled.

Yi Jiang

@tombull89 Come on, which operating system let you use an animated gif for background?

tombull89

@YiJiang Windows XP, for a start.

Reno

1:49 PM

This is true

tombull89

my eyes...they bleed.

Yi Jiang

No... seriously?

George Marian

@tombull89 You sound...surprised.

tombull89

@YiJiang nod

Octavian Damiean

ello

Yi Jiang

1:51 PM

@tombull89 Well now I know what to do on the school's computer lab computers when I'm bored

tombull89

@YiJiang haha.

Yi Jiang

Nyan cat animated gif, tiled. Ta-da! Poor next person using the computer

tombull89

try that, tiled.

and try not to waste a hour or two watching them all.

Octavian Damiean

oh god

I know why it is that quite now, everyone is watching that gif :p

Yi Jiang

@OctavianDamiean nyan.cat Nyan Cat!

Octavian Damiean

1:59 PM

oh my god

how awesome is that? :D

Wanted

What a fun going here ... :)

Octavian Damiean

0

Q: How do you crash an android phone?

I mean this with sincerity and there are no malicious intentions whatsoever, but does anyone know a consistent way to crash an android phone from an app? I'm sure someone has discovered it via debugging at some point.

android crash phone

M'vy

damn

why would someone crash an android phone...

Wanted

Attitude hurts, really :(

tombull89

@OctavianDamiean closing in 3...2...1...or, you could try your suggestion :P

Wanted

2:06 PM

Octavian Damiean

@tombull89 done in the commands

tombull89

aked: 8 minutes ago. closed: 1 minute ago. Nice one.

bye @ManjotSingh ...

2:26 PM

:D

2:38 PM

@Moshe I don't know about whom, but I did know about you.

Ólafur Waage

2:49 PM

You know what's the worst thing about this chat room, it's too official

Yi Jiang

@ÓlafurWaage Whaddya mean by that?

drachenstern

How do you figure?

Michael Mrozek

I've often found the level of formality and seriousness in this room to be oppressive

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek There's the philosophical room

Ólafur Waage

@YiJiang people coming here complaining about bans etc

drachenstern

3:04 PM

Which is a good way to remind the mod team that they need to be banned here.

I say, let them do it

Octavian Damiean

lol

M'vy

FAQ: you've been banned? Ok it happens... no go out and shut up :P

Ólafur Waage

you wrote that just to be starred

and i'm not going to star you!

M'vy

I not interested in stars

Yi Jiang

@Mvy That's what they all say!

Those, ehrn, star whores

M'vy

3:15 PM

Except Cassiopeia constellation, maybe

Damodar

hi frnds

me back again

M'vy

hi dmdr

Damodar

@Mvy hi dude

Octavian Damiean

@YiJiang lol'd a bit, star whores :D

M'vy

oh sh*t didn't saw that one

very good... very good!

Damodar

3:18 PM

@Mvy what?

M'vy

Yi Jiang
@Mvy That's what they all say!
Those, ehrn, star whores

couples lines before

M'vy

3:31 PM

Invoke Han Solo in a meta.SO answer : done!

Yi Jiang

@Mvy *bleep* Achievement Unlocked!

lol

Exactly!

I want an Evok badge

XD

3:36 PM

I don't know what you'd have to do to earn it but I want it :D

M'vy

lol

Ewok toy with meta.SO icon tagged on him?

Michael Mrozek

3:56 PM

> <sniper506th> our intern spends more time on SO than me. but for a different reason.

M'vy

What's the reasons?

Next scheduled event: "Happy Hour"

What is it about?

And what time?

Michael Mrozek

@Mvy It's nothing; the room owner added it because the room is named "the tavern" and it's punny

badp's sockpuppet

4:16 PM

@MichaelMrozek That's what passes as "puns" nowadays?

Michael Mrozek

@badpssockpuppet In here? Absolutely

Tim Stone

@badpssockpuppet You didn't realize that the bar was set so low because it's hard to notice when it's on the ground.

mmyers

Hi everybody, I'm feeling generous today. Who wants a ban, absolutely free of charge?

Tim Stone

4:33 PM

@mmyers Oooh, tempting.

mmyers

Oh, hi. Your bad pun about bars makes you also eligible for our special offer.

Tim Stone

Does it help my case if I'm ashamed of it?

mmyers

@Wanted ManjotSingh can't chat here because he doesn't have 20 reputation points on Meta. There's no ban involved.

Tim Stone

Well, they were banned from chat on SO:

in Android on Stack Overflow Chat, May 23 at 16:24, by balpha

@DrJackal @ManjotSingh @Wanted I've had enough. I'm suspending you from chat for 30 days. Those messages I understand are enough; I don't even want to know what the other ones mean. If you don't know how to behave among human beings, you're not welcome here. You're free to come back after a month if you're ready to show you can behave.

But that has no bearing here, so.

mmyers

I avoid chat.SO. I don't think I've ever seen anything useful or even mildly amusing there, except possibly in the C++ room.

Tim Stone

4:43 PM

The JavaScript room has some interesting conversation sometimes, I suppose. Other times it's very off-topic.

M'vy

They are not talking about original topic?

We should make bigger rooms then

Careers 2.0 don't have any jobs nears Paris. Sad

mootinator

@Mvy Nor Western Canada.

M'vy

Do we have a map of where the jobs are located?

And job candidates

BTW are the date on data.se?

Seems not

Yi Jiang

Oy, there are suggested edits piling up in SO's edit queue

M'vy

mods?

Yi Jiang

4:56 PM

To make it easy, just reject everything this spammer is suggesting: stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/51361

I'm outa votes today - gosh, only 30 votes

M'vy

I think I don't have privileges see that.

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Quickly, I need a 4302 point bounty so I can see the queue!

M'vy

lol

What is the requirement 10K? mod-tools I guess?

Tim Stone

stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/51361

WTF?

Why the hell would you approve that?

M'vy

I don't know why OP did

Tim Stone

5:00 PM

But anyway, that guy's edits have been killed now.

mootinator

@Moshe Police randomly running license plates for personal reasons without cause is horrible.

M'vy

@mootinator about careers, I wrote this:

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Q: Careers 2.0 promotion

TL;DR Careers relies on location. For example France has no (little) representation on the site. This question is divided in X parts : How can C2.0 be promoted where it is not used. Given the pay/invite system, how can we ensures the spreading of usage across countries. How should we consider...

discussion careers promotion

Yi Jiang

0

Q: Browser standards

Which browser is currently the most standards compliant? Are browsers moving to a standardized platform or will we continue to see more -webkit, -moz qualifiers?

browser

Too localized? NaRQ too broad?

M'vy

Hum I share your thoughts @YiJiang

mootinator

Ok, the news cycle has gotten a bit too fast.

Moshe

5:25 PM

@mootinator Indeed, but in this case, a car was returned.

@mootinator How so?

Hogan

@YiJiang Is there anyway to see the edit queue? Or is that a 10k thing-a-bob?

Yi Jiang

@Hogan 10k only

Hogan

@YiJiang I should be able to help in a couple of months then. (:

Octavian Damiean

5:45 PM

got my Thinkpad X60 \o/

mmyers

"Our Marketing Is Up Fog Creek" And What We Did About It

M'vy

6:16 PM

As a confirmation

no one can affect part of its bounty to two users?

Michael Mrozek

@Mvy You can't split a bounty, no

M'vy

Ok CW edited to reflect that BTW

Another one that complains about not "exact duplicate"

mootinator

6:52 PM

@Moshe ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110526/…

There were about 300 different versions of that story out before the student had been taken to the hospital.

drachenstern

7:09 PM

@mmyers the node.js room is often on topic

Pearsonartphoto

Wow, a decree for not starring oy...

I wonder how much thought has gone into trying to fix Area 51...

Michael Mrozek

@Pearsonartphoto That's like the 45th time somebody has done that. Usually it leads to everyone saying Oy and starring each other for a few minutes, and then everyone forgets for another month

Pearsonartphoto

LOL.

Michael Mrozek

@Pearsonartphoto I'm really not a fan of Area 51, but I don't know if that's a common feeling

Pearsonartphoto

35

Q: What can be done with Area 51?

I'm going to argue that Area 51 is not the optimal solution for Stack Exchange. Right now, as it stands, the following occurs: Someone, probably an expert or at least a strong enthusiast, proposes a site. People randomly follow this site. These people aren't committed to the proposal at all. Th...

discussion area51

Michael Mrozek

7:14 PM

I don't like that sites go through all this work defining themselves, arguing about how they're unique because a proposal about red ceiling tiles has totally different experts from a proposal about blue ceiling tiles, finally get into beta, and everything goes out the window. Suddenly there's 50 meta posts about "is this on-topic?"

> The Private Beta starts, and usually the first thing thrown out is the questions at the definition stage, as only a small portion of the committers were involved with the definition stage, and many of the questions proposed were written by those with only a passing interest, voted up with those with a passing interest.

Exactly. You beat me by three months :)

Pearsonartphoto

LOL.

As you can see, it's a fairly popular question to this day. Of course, there's topic with hundreds of MSO votes, but 35 isn't bad...

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek except this time there's somebody casually enforcing it. Except on posts by rchern (shhh) ;)

Pearsonartphoto

I've come to one simple conclusion in 3 months that could help considerably.

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Q: Allow committed users to continue to expand the site definition on Area 51

I've discussed previously about Area 51's broken model. After experimenting with a site in the definition stage, I've learned a few things, and I think I have an idea. Let's just simply let users who commit to a proposal continue to refine the definition of the site. After all, they are going to...

discussion area51

M'vy

Saw that one

Pearsonartphoto

There's still lots of problems, but I really can't see anything wrong with my proposal, so far...

drachenstern

7:19 PM

@Pearsonartphoto I can. I made it in an answer.

Pearsonartphoto

Just read it, and I don't think the compromise would work either.

M'vy

The major issue I see is the time

after entering commitment phase there may be a long long long time before beta

drachenstern

But you see where I'm headed with it, right? That's just as important.

M'vy

But it would be strange o modify the content before it started if everyone agreed on one definition.

Pearsonartphoto

BTW, the choice of the word commit is confusing...

M'vy

7:22 PM

I guess that if it does not have enough commiters the site goes back to definition?

Michael Mrozek

It's honestly pretty weird that the definers and the commiters are not the same. Why would you spend time defining a site and then not participate on it?

Pearsonartphoto

There is usually some commonality, but from what I can tell, only a third of the followers of a definition commit.

All I really know is something is broken, and it should be fixed...

Michael Mrozek

Well, let's not even get into how many committers actually participate on the site; it's ridiculous

badp's sockpuppet

what fraction of percent?

@MichaelMrozek To build reputation?

I don't get how you're supposed to get reputation there

Michael Mrozek

@badpssockpuppet I don't either, I have 300. I also don't really care about rep there

Pearsonartphoto

7:27 PM

On SFF, it was 58, out of 203.

Michael Mrozek

@badpssockpuppet I don't know what the average is, but on UL 11% fulfilled their commitments. 30% of commiters didn't even sign up -- they literally never came to the site at all

Pearsonartphoto

GP is 37/236.

Michael Mrozek

That seems to pretty conclusively illustrate that commitments are pointless. Do people lose rep or the ability to commit again or something when that happens?

Pearsonartphoto

They can't commit again for either 90 days, or until the site is killed/ launched, I can't remember which of the 2 it is...

Well, I'll try for a question about one specific aspect, without any solution proposed.

0

Q: What can be done to keep users active in the commitment phase?

From the What can be done with Area 51? question, it seems like the biggest complaint is that there is very little connectivity during the commitment phase. A user merely signs up, then can't do anything aside from refer other users, and see how the progress is going for the site, until the site ...

discussion area51 commitment-phase

mootinator

@Pearsonartphoto 6 months, I think.

I'm a serial fulfill commitment then lose interest-er.

Which is almost as bad as not participating at all :P

M'vy

7:49 PM

Oh @balpha you fixed the code frame bug?

balpha

I can't

M'vy

nice one

balpha

Microsoft has to do that

M'vy

ahh

balpha

it's just a veeeeeeeeery ugly workaround

M'vy

7:50 PM

Btw it's fine on firefox :P

balpha

it's fine everywhere, including IE7 and IE9

Octavian Damiean

of course as it isn't IE :D

M'vy

Yes I know lol

Michael Mrozek

8:04 PM

Let it be known that Firefox is weirdly unaffected by Microsoft's bugs

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Moshe

8:21 PM

Anyone here speak Spanish?

I need some phrases shortened to fit the UI.

Moshe

8:33 PM

Nevermind, got it.

mmyers

El rey esta cantando con el caballo.

Remember that phrase on your next trip to Mexico. It may come in handy.

Moshe

@mmyers opens Google Translate

Um?

Google returns nonsense, so I'm not going to ask.

mmyers

Well, that's all I got out of high school Spanish.

Moshe

Lol

mmyers

I do know an excellent song about a singing, dancing cucumber.

drachenstern

9:09 PM

@mmyers if that comes in handy the next time I am in the land of Tequila, I will let you know

mmyers

9:19 PM

Chili con queso is also handy and possibly more practical.

drachenstern

and much more tasty to boot

also carne con queso

mmyers

@drachenstern Also handy: "Usted huele como carne y queso, que no huelen como Santa."

drachenstern

but more importantly, does the person smell of beef or of bacon?

if it were bacon and cheese I could likely get down with that

Tyler Chacha

9:48 PM

Hello

M'vy

plop

mmyers

plop

M'vy

LOL -45 for Jeff :P

-45

A: Can we have the ability to rescind a close vote before it closes?

declining -- you can always cast a reopen vote if the post gets closed. Also note that all close votes automatically expire after two days. (and for that matter reopen votes, or any other vote that attempts to reach a threshold -- otherwise, over an absurdly long period of time, say 10 years, e...

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