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12:00 AM
@drachenstern have a star for some... unknown... reason
 
@TheRenamedException :p
 
@drachenstern @drachenstern!!!! @drachenstern!!!! YOU NEED THIS LATER!!! DO NOT LOSE THIS!!!
there.
 
@TheRenamedException Hey, how goes it?
 
Busy, but good, thanks!
And you @Fosco?
 
Ok, getting better all the time... Melissa finally moved out on Saturday, starting to get my alone-time back... released a simple app on the android marketplace, learning for more
 
12:02 AM
@Fosco that's right, I saw something about the app yesterday, congrats!
 
@Fosco hey yeah? I know it's shitty to say but still congrats man
ok ya'll, I'm out
 
Thank you :)
 
@drachenstern Later!
@Fosco Yeah I danced around the Melissa issue because I wasn't sure what specifically to say, but, enjoy your newfound freedom I suppose is fitting :-)
Like @drachenstern I didn't think "congratulations" was exactly right ;-)
but it must be a relief
 
It is... it's not entirely finished, she's having a really hard time, and I haven't stopped answering the phone.
Also, I haven't mentioned this before, but I quit my day job last week.
I have a few months to focus on personal projects and find sustainable work.
 
@Fosco a little birdie told me that. Congrats on your double newfound freedom!
 
12:10 AM
@TheRenamedException I thought he might've.. thanks )
 
I can't tel if lance is being sarcastic when he said "Congratulations."here:
-2
A: Should I really have been awarded mortarboard on a Per-site meta?

Lance RobertsThat's the way it works. Congratulations.

I decided to take it as not sarcastic :-)
 
*said
 
@badp I have read this five time and am still confused :-)
Also you just reminded me to go apologize to gaming
 
> I feel kinda lame getting it for a question format I devised though, especially since sed format doesn't really permit others to answer my question and has a crap ton of answers
 
Oh
Huh, I have used "sed" forever but now that you mention it, I think I am wrong :-)
 
12:18 AM
damn, I thought I read "56 seconds ago" , not "56 minutes ago"
@TheRenamedException It is a word. In Latin.
"but"
 
Been far too long since I took Latin :-)
(or typing, apparently ;-)
OK, apologized to Gaming for the delayed Town Hall
 
@TheRenamedException, also take note that Gaming's THC was held at the start of their primary phase, not final election phase.
makes 4 days materialize from thin air!
 
@RebeccaChernoff sorry. I am doing too much at once. I meant digest. Town hall digest
 
Heh, that's how I read it anyway.
 
12:28 AM
@TheRenamedException We didn't make it easy for you.
 
I feel fully posting the digest to AskUbunu's before Gaming's, LOL
 
...welll, @RebeccaChernoff didn't.
 
Actually, it worked out much better
 
@TheRenamedException AskUbuntu is already doing elections.
 
I learned a lot about how to make the meta question idea more efficient and what the pitfalls are doing AskUbuntu's
@badp Oh, duh. I'm sorry, @Rebecca, now I understand
 
12:30 AM
@TheRenamedException I'm envious. It must be feeling like discovering jQuery exists, all over again
 
I am now doing teh code I was supposed to be doing this afternoon, so, most of my attention is not here :-)
@badp LOL
 
$.worship()
 
what the..?
@badp AHAHAHAHA
 
I got automatically suspended once today, that's enough. (Ironically enough, the oh so offensive post was a quote of a trilogy diamond, in context.)
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Thank you for removing that horrible thing. I am afraid I will have nightmares!
Why didn't @GeorgeEdison participate in the Ubuntu town hall????
If you read this @GeorgeEdison I'll gladly include your answers in the digest. You know where to find me!
 
12:59 AM
Ok, I'm off for the night. Later everyone!
 
1:43 AM
Hey @waffles, sorry, I did not mean to seem like I was criticizing you back there!
 
no worries :) ... I just got a bit shitty with that edit ... but I do not think the sky is falling cause of it
 
was just pointing out in a snarky way that there are still some things to discuss with the edit ssytem :-) If anything I'm more poking at Jeff for deleting what I thought wa s avalid questiona while back ;-)
@waffles cool, as long as you don't think I'm out to get you or hate the new feature :-) I want to amke sure I don't come across like that, LOL
just want to help make my favorite places even better than they already are! :-D
 
yeah ... plenty of stuff to iron out ... just fixed a bug today where owners were not able to approve edits on their own posts
 
saw that, nice work!
 
but the more I look at edits on SO the more I agree that you need more than one approval ... we see so many edits where 2 approve and 1 rejects (and the reverse)
 
1:48 AM
hmmm
Well I am off to find food. I look forward to further discussion :-)
(yes I realize the irony of that staement given I am talking to a @waffles)
 
good luck :) catch ya later
 
OpenCola is a brand of cola unique in that the instructions for making it are freely available and modifiable. Anybody can make the drink, and anyone can modify and improve on the recipe as long as they, too, license their recipe under the GNU General Public License. Since recipes are, by themselves, not copyrightable, the legal basis for this is untested. The original version 1.0 was released on 27th January 2001. Current Version is 1.1.3. Although originally intended as a promotional tool to explain free and open source software, the drink took on a life of its own and 150,000 cans wer...
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2:07 AM
Has someone else already suggested the ability to comment on edits?
I just rejected a request to add the ajax tag to a question that didn't deserve it, kind of feel like I should have explained why.
 
@Kragen yeah I have thought about this quite a lot ... I think I saw a suggestion somewhere ... I am not totally opposed to adding comments on the edit suggestion permalink page
 
@Kragen just a sec
its been suggested
I'm looking for it
@Kragen damnit
 
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Q: Are users who have a suggested edit rejected valid targets for @comment replies?

yhw42After reading Suggested edits that add an answer to the question, linked in the comments was a suggested edit that was rejected. I thought I'd leave a comment to the new user who suggested it so they would know what happened, why the edit was rejected, and how to ask a new question: @OFG: You...

Thats related
 
@Kragen yep
thats what i was looking for!
 
Heh
Ian Ringrose has a point in his answer (except for the private message bit) adding it as a comment adds no value to the question itself.
 
2:50 AM
^ How do people like this even manage to get on the internet
 
@waffles I agree with this triplegood.
 
@DanGrossman hehehe
@DanGrossman you password "stealer"
 
This is probably one of those people who has 10 toolbars in their browser and 3 types of malware opening popups on every webpage. Yeah, it's my fault your browser freezes when you go to PayPal.
 
@DanGrossman unfortunately you will never beat this
127
Q: About your f***ing website.

Jeff AtwoodPresented for your enjoyment-slash-amusement. Email received by team@stackoverflow.com from Name Jesus Christ Almighty, what a f***ing mess of a website. I'm trying to post a question. Just the one, you know, f***ing question. So I sign up for an ID and I'm sent an email that doesn't real...

I think I broke a pair of ribs laughing
 
Nice.
 
2:59 AM
I could beat it if I didn't lose my mail archives to a dead hard drive
 
@DanGrossman You do seem to attract some real winners to your site(s). :)
 
Dozens of mails from one guy, all CC'd to the FBI, to the whitehouse, to the CIA and to random individual senators, full of multicolored multi-font claims of violations of "federal child protection laws"... because an automated system declined his order on a website as a fraud risk.
 
@DanGrossman well you had that coming!
@GeorgeMarian hi!
todo bien?
 
Hey @Trufa
 
3:04 AM
yo no comprende espanol
 
Things are well enough. I think I have almost read enough of the WordPress manual to be comfortable using it soon.
 
WordPress development is a good business to be in
 
Yah, I figured I may give that a try as well. I was quite impressed by how much cash that plugin of yours made.
 
Generally easy work, still a young platform, yet 30 million active blogs and lots of money moving around
why (removed)??
yo no comprendo espanol
 
@DanGrossman becouse I'm an idiot
and removed is too close to edit
 
3:07 AM
lol
 
@DanGrossman hehe
got it anyway?
 
Downside: Google does not let you advertise on, or use in advertisements, the word "wordpress"
@Trufa I just saw something about comprendo flash by
 
@DanGrossman Oh?
WTF is that about?
 
they made a trademark claim, now it's on the list of banned trademarked terms, so the system automatically rejects ads
 
3:09 AM
@DanGrossman don't worry about it just a spanish particularity very difficult to get for people who speak english singe the word is associated with the person and gender
 
yo no se como usar el tiempo pasado
 
@DanGrossman well apparently you do :)
 
mentira
 
jeje
but you know quite a lot I can see
 
un poco
suficiente para no morir? hehe
 
geeze
 
@DanGrossman poor choice of words
:)
 
reminds me
 
I dunno what's worse. The fact that the app exists or that it costs $1.99.
 
“When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way. So I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.”
 
3:12 AM
heh
 
@GeorgeMarian $1.99
@DanGrossman hehe
I found it very funny
@Pekka
was talking about how atheists.se barked at religous
 
What's wrong w/ just typing into one of the many (free) note taking apps? If it's not in the list, am I off the hook? ;)
 
one of the best arguments I saw was to see of how apple.se treated their opposers, now I don't really know why I said that!
@GeorgeMarian sorry?
 
@Trufa Re: the confession app. What's wrong w/ a more traditional way of listing your sins to remember them for confession? :)
 
@GeorgeMarian hehe to tired!
 
3:17 AM
Heh, no worries.
 
@GeorgeMarian and @DanGrossman good night
see you tommorow!
 
G'night @Trufa
 
buenas noches
 
@DanGrossman gute nacht!
 
3:47 AM
> reddit is in "emergency read-only mode" right now. :( you won't be able to log in. we're sorry, and are working frantically to fix the problem.
 
Sooooo
US government fined Toyota $48.8 million for those sudden acceleration problems, but have found zero evidence those problems ever existed :/ nytimes.com/2011/02/09/business/09auto.html?_r=1&src=twrhp
 
@DanGrossman so I heard
 
Hahaha at that Confession app.
I am so eyeing this sweatshirt...
PacMan hoodie
 
4:00 AM
lol
 
Why does this bother me?
Aha! Take that onebox script.
 
user image
2
it's all a matter of getting the right thing there
 
Ah, figured it out. Brain off by one error.
 
is it just me, or has slashdot really screwed the userbase?
 
Off by one errors plagued my entire workday.
Slashdot has users still? I thought we'd all moved on :P
 
4:09 AM
@mootinator that's ok, I've had 12 hours gone ... GONE
stupid BSoD
 
I also confused 'row' and 'column' several times.
 
@mootinator those are the days I spend 4 hours straight on SO then go home
 
shakes his fist at excel.
lol
 
4:35 AM
> The most common phone number sharkbait.computerworld.com/node/2585
 
@DanGrossman Sounds... Fake.
 
How so?
 
214 is a really low area code to not notice something amiss quickly.
 
mysql> insert into ints values (2147483648);
Query OK, 1 row affected, 1 warning (0.00 sec)

mysql> select * from ints;
+------------+
| id         |
+------------+
| 2147483647 |
+------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
Google Maps pulls up 41 businesses registered for that phone number
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A: What is the maximum value for a int32?

WildJoeIt's 10 digits, so pretend it's a phone number (assuming you're in the US). 214-748-3647. I don't recommend calling it.

 
Okay. There are a lot of really bad programmers out there :P
 
4:44 AM
At least MySQL mentions you screwed up.
mysql> show warnings;
+---------+------+------------------------------------------------------+
| Level   | Code | Message                                              |
+---------+------+------------------------------------------------------+
| Warning | 1264 | Out of range value adjusted for column 'id' at row 1 |
+---------+------+------------------------------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
 
Ah well. Good Night people.
Thank you @DanG for the comic. Good luck @moot with your off-by-one errors. @drachenstern I've never signed up with /.
Good night.
 
Night @Moshe
 
@Moshe then you've never really missed out
@Moshe night
 
@Benjol thanks for yesterdays recommendation, it was ridiculously good :)
 
5:10 AM
and now I'm out, see ya'll in the AM
 
Me2
night
 
@drachenstern Rubbish. @Moshe surely missed out on the hot grits and petrified Natalies. (Goes to show when the last time I visited /. was...I'm sure that newer memes have been circulating in the time since.)
 
5:43 AM
@Reno, the goon show?
 
6:08 AM
@Benjol yes the goon show, its excellent
 
@reno, glad you like it :) Did you watch or listen? (the link I sent seemed to refer mostly to the TV versions)
 
First i saw it on youtube, Now im downloading the complete archives using torrent
 
Auto-login is annoying. It doesn't really help me much if it doesn't kick in until I go to the log-in page. |:
 
@Reno, to complete your education of post-war bbc radio comedy, you could also try Hancock's Half Hour. Completely different type of humour - he had the most impeccable timin.
 
@RebeccaChernoff It saves you a click or two :P
 
6:13 AM
@RebeccaChernoff @Lasse came to ask about that here yesterday, kept getting booted
 
@TimStone Not really. Because I click Log In and click my open id provider before it shows me the banner. So then it just takes me to the "Change OpenId" page.
(;
 
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A: MySQL query WHERE statement which is a query itself?

OMG PoniesUse either the IN clause, or a JOIN like in this example: $query = sprintf("SELECT tu.* FROM TAGUSERS tu JOIN FRIENDTABLE ft ON ft.usera = tu.username WHERE ft.userB = '%s'", mysql_real_escape_string($_POST['username'...

Why is his 3 minute old answer a community wiki? Is he voluntarily turning all his answers into wikis?
 
@Benjol thank you :D this is very exciting. They make me look stupid on the train though when im listening to them on my iPhone
 
@RebeccaChernoff Ah, well...You should poke someone about that then. ;)
 
@Reno, if you get half the jokes in the Goon show, you're doing well :) Hancock is a lot more understandable.
@TimStone, what do you mean? She has access to the code now!
 
6:15 AM
@TimStone Ranting in here doesn't count?
 
@RebeccaChernoff, we do that already :)
 
@DanGrossman NO!!!! "you'll usually get better performance out of a join" ARRRRGGGGHHHH!!
 
@Benjol Good point! She should totally get on that.
 
@Kragen You're a Windows guy, MySQL != SQL Server
 
@RebeccaChernoff All things come back to chat, this is true.
 
6:16 AM
@DanGrossman Ok, just noticed that its not an SQL Server question, but does it really still hold true for MySQL?
 
MySQL didn't even have subqueries for its first 4 major versions, let alone a smart planner for them
 
Its hard to believe that they work that differently...
 
I'm not going to claim to be an expert, but that was my experience
:goes to try something:
 
Ok, I'll reserve judgement until I actually test it out on MySQL (which will be never - ♥ SQL Server 4 ever!)
 
heh
mysql> SELECT SQL_NO_CACHE * FROM websites WHERE userId IN (SELECT ID FROM users WHERE username = 'dangrossman');
21 rows in set (4.26 sec)

mysql> SELECT SQL_NO_CACHE websites.* FROM websites INNER JOIN users ON websites.userId = users.ID AND users.username = 'dangrossman';
21 rows in set (0.01 sec)
 
6:21 AM
Very interesting
quite a significant difference too!
 
@DanGrossman Not surprising. Decent optimisers rewrite simple nested selects into joins, when possible.
 
Virtually the same query, but the planner picked good indexes on the join, and didn't on the subquery
result: 43838 rows examined vs. 1
 
Personally I would have written that as a join anyway to express my intent more clearly (IMO), but I'd be disappointed if my DB treated the two quite that differently.
 
@MarcGravell Agree.
 
SQL Server has a better planner, no question
 
6:24 AM
@MarcGravell I find sub queries easier to read personally, but thats probably more down to personal preference
 
@Kragen /me throws eggs at @Kragen.
 
Its kind of trivial with this example, but with complex queries it can make quite a difference.
:-p
 
"Recommend a CMS" isn't really a programming question, is it?
0
Q: Simple CMS for clients?

jaeI'm looking for something fairly simple for clients to use and very easy for me to skin (somewhat complicated themes). something like Perch or Couchcms, but has to be open source to satisfy some license requirements.. I can't really seem to find any CMS that is like this {Wordpress, drupal etc a...

 
Belongs on webmasters?
 
This one too...
0
Q: Will search engines consider keywords that may have a dash in the word itself?

NinjaKCI am not sure my title fully explains what I mean. I thought this might be an interesting question. If I had a set of keywords, broken with a dash or 2, will search engines consider the dashed split keyword as maybe a full keyword? Say I have a site that sort of breaks words down, like the dict...

There should be automatic flagging when you tag a question with SEO on SO
 
6:34 AM
Heh, that one is potentially a semi-interesting information retrieval question if it was worded differently.
 
The latest xkcd kind of confirms he needs a shrink...
 
yeah its kinda interesting (question), not sure where it belongs
 
that's a weird one
 
Hey, has Moms4Mom migrated?!
 
I saw that xkcd guy, he is pretty cool, every guy has his pervy phase
 
6:38 AM
@Benjol looks like OSQA now... meta.moms4mom.com/questions/206/…
on Dreamhost, they'll regret that decision
 
Kudos anyway, I'm guessing he did it pretty-much singlehandedly, and they had a baby in December...
 
@Reno wait - it's a phase?
5
 
@MarcGravell i see what you did there
 
6:55 AM
I hate when people title their question something like "HTML question (easy one!)"
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It's so selfish
 
> Its working fine, but the problem is, when number of digits increase from 5 its make then zero i mean there is nothing... all digits are deleted and its start again.
Brilliant, he posted all his code, then describes his question like this
"its make then zero i mean there is nothing" Huh?
 
that's a little hard to parse
something strange happens when some number passes 99999?
 
0
Q: CSS hovering div link

MikeI am using the following css to create a popout menu with information when a user hovers over a particular link. How can I modify the follow code so the user could click on a link within the span? As of right now the second the mouse moves off the original link, the div disappears. a:hover { pos...

 
I wonder whether everyone will still be using jQuery in 5 years, or if answering all JavaScript questions with jQuery will come back to bite us? ;)
 
He wants anchors... inside anchors?
@DanGrossman What, you mean it hasn't already?
 
7:02 AM
It already worries me, but it's what everyone does
 
JQuery has become to JS what boost has become to c++, I don't think either is going anywhere.
 
Aye - JQuery is here to stay
 
Its rapidly increasing filesize becomes even more worrying then
 
Even if something better does come along, so many sites now use it that it will still be around for years to come anyway as a "legacy" framework.
@DanGrossman Not really - if you consider that with proper caching it's only ever downloaded at most once for a website (and possibly not even that frequently if you use commonly hosted copies)
 
It's still the equivalent of sending two printed pages of text just to get a prerequisite library to the browser
I kinda hope there's a "jQuery Lite" coming with just sizzle and one (rather than a dozen) AJAX wrapper
Do we really need $.post, $.get, $.json, etc... when they're just single keyword parameters to $.ajax?
 
7:16 AM
The HTML part alone of that last question you posted is ~8KB, which is around a quarter of the size of the minified jQuery - so if once you visit more than 4-5 pages on a site the size of jQuery starts to becomes more and more insignificant compared to the content.
 
@DanGrossman They say that jQuery is modulized enough that you should be able to do that if you wanted to
I have yet to see anybody rip out large part of the lib just slim it down though
 
Maybe I should make the jQuery Lite then :p
@Kragen And the minified jQuery is over 80KB, the "after gzip" on jquery.com is sneaky
 
@DanGrossman Yup, but using Google's CDN...
And it would be cached too, so it's a little hard to argue on the download size part
 
@DanGrossman The unzipped size of that page is ~28KB so the ratio is still roughly accurate.
 
:puts on tin foil hat:
 
7:20 AM
$("tinfoilhat").remove();
2
 
What if Google injects a Doubleclick cookie into 1% of requests to its copy of jQuery? How many will notice before they've gathered billions of points of data!
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Q: How to remove .zip file in c on windows? (error: Directory not empty)

ExtremeBlue#include #include #include #include "win32-dirent.h" #include #include #include #define MAXFILEPATH 1024 bool IsDirectory(char* path) { WIN32_FIND_DATA w32fd; HANDLE hFindFile; hFindFile = FindFirstFile((PTCHAR)path, &w32fd); if(hFindFile == INVALID_HANDLE_VALUE) { ...

Gotta love when someone just dumps an entire program in a question without a single other word :/
@YiJiang He reverted your edit back to unreadable crap
 
@DanGrossman Edit clash?
Gah, without a good source diff it would be impossible to tell. VtC as NaRQ anyway...
 
:D i was editing this
i mean wtf
 
It's probably an easy answer, but I'm not reading his whole program to give it :p
 
Boooo - my question only has 3 views!
I'm half tempted to tag it with something completely irrelevant like C# just so people actually look at it :-(
 
7:31 AM
@Reno Don't capitalize 'thanks' and 'hi' bits; remove them. Also, use Markdown, not just for code blocks, but also for lists and inline code. And don't just correct grammar blindly, rewrite some sentences so that they make sense
 
@Reno, read this :)
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A: How to edit? Can we agree on an editing 'policy'?

BenjolDO Add capitalization Correct txtspk Correct spelling (not American/British differences) Correct code formatting (If possible) layout code to prevent horizontal scrolling Remove Hi/thanks/signatures Edit titles to more faithfully represent the intent of the question DON'T Do ridiculously sm...

 
Wow, I'm 98 edits away from Copy Editor :)
 
@YiJiang thanks that was interesting i do most of it , ( except removing hi and thanks or smileys. ) because i dont think i have the right to remove someones expressions :)
 
@Reno. Who are you saying thank you to, and what are you saying thank your for? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2950/…
 
7:39 AM
@Benjol i agree with Jon Skeets answer :)
 
@Reno, so do I, even if mine is better ;)
@YiJiang, if I @someone on a post that someone has edited, do you think they get notified?
 
@Benjol Editors are notified by @-replies.
 
@Benjol Yes
 
good-oh, thanks
 
If you see a TON of code in a question and most of it is in comments
would you edit the comments in the code out just so the code is readable ?
 
7:48 AM
Whats the question?
Depends on the comments - I'd try and make it more readable but I wouldn't remove comments unless they are the classic "increment i by 1" type
 
@Kragen for example the same question Dan posted above, would you edit the comments out of in the main() ?
oh ok
 
I would never change the user's code, except I once starred out someone's database password since he gave the hostname and username...
 
@DanGrossman I would, but only to format it so you don't need to scroll
 
If you mean the "How to remove .zip file in c on windows? (error: Directory not empty)" question, then I probably wouldn't bother - the question is a wall of code and will be closed soon unless it changes radically. Removing the comments won't make much difference.
@DanGrossman nice!
 
Jin
evening
 
7:53 AM
@Jin Evening! Whatcha working on now?
 
Hey Jin, what's cooking?
 
Jin
@YiJiang Wordpress
 
Evening? Did you travel to the Outback? (;
 
Jin
@Benjol you just reminded me i need to make some bacon.
@YiJiang I think you'll like the design of WP.
 
@RebeccaChernoff He's greeting me specifically ;)
 
7:56 AM
@Jin, I was hesitating about adding (except bacon) behind that, obviously I should have :)
 
Jin
@RebeccaChernoff don't you ever sleep?
 
'Ello @Jin, how goes it?
 
Jin
@TimStone hey tim. you abandoned me in WwF. /sob
 
@YiJiang Singapore: UNSUPPORTED
 
7:57 AM
@Jin Oh....whoops.
 
Jin
@TimStone i was j/k. i haven't had the time to play it recently myself.
 
@Jin Yes. 7 or 8 hours a night. Or early morning. Or... hey you're up too and it is later for you!
q:
Huh. I wonder where my phone is.
 
Oh right, I remember why I didn't play a new move, you're kicking my ass and I'm grasping at straws for words, hahah
 

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