Tavern on the Meta

Jared Schutz Polis (born Jared Polis Schutz May 12, 1975) is an American entrepreneur, philanthropist, and U.S. Representative for , serving since 2009. He is a member of the Democratic Party. Polis and his life partner, Marlon Reis, are the parents of a son, Caspian Julius, born on September 30, 2011, making Polis the only openly gay member of Congress who is a parent. Early life, education and career Polis is the son of Stephen Schutz and Susan Polis Schutz. He attended the La Jolla Country Day School in San Diego, California. He received a Bachelor of Arts in political science from...

Anonymous

> He founded American Information Systems, an internet access, web hosting and application service provider.

Moshe

@Fezziwig Every time they refer to each other by their location I snicker a bit.

Anonymous

He seems to understand everything so much better than everyone else in the room.

Moshe

10:09 PM

Bifercation and stratification?

What?

I'm a college student, geez. What are they talking about?

> Innovative techniques to take down offending website.

Fezziwig

@Moshe I've only listened to maybe 5 of these ever; this is the first time I've ever seen them "reclaim" time they yielded to someone else. What an awesome rule; it's so much better than saying "shut up, my turn"

Anonymous

@Moshe Causing a division to be created between the American internet and the rest of the internet.

Moshe

@Fezziwig Lol, yup.

@JeremyBanks Ah, english, thank you.

Fezziwig

They need to start saying "Thank you for yielding your time -- no takebacks"

Moshe

ROFL

@Fezziwig - May I tweet that?

We might have a passed amendment. Maybe...

Mr. Berman votes no again.

Eh.

Anonymous

10:15 PM

@Moshe What a dick.

Moshe

@JeremyBanks lol.

Why does the chairman keep calling people out by name at the end?

Compelling his cohorts to vote no with him?

Who is Mr. Issa?

Anonymous

It would be nifty if this video had a timestamp so we could compare how far behind we are.

Anonymous

sec, I was making some notes earlier

Moshe

Why is/was the woman behind Mr. Issa smiling?

Anonymous

Darrell Issa

Darrell Edward Issa ( ; born November 1, 1953) is the U.S. Representative for , and previously the 48th, serving since 2001. He is a member of the Republican Party. He was formerly a CEO of Directed Electronics, the Vista, California-based manufacturer of automobile security and convenience products. His district consists of portions of southern Riverside County and northern San Diego County. The district was numbered as the 48th District during his first term and was renumbered the 49th after the 2000 Census. Since January 2011, he has served as Chairman of the House Oversight and Governm...

Anonymous

10:18 PM

Note from earlier: Rep. Darrell Issa [R] says that this isn't urgent: it's been ongoing for over a decade. He refers to precedents where lobbying has caused them to rush in and screw up other issues. He's referring to the DOJ's recent total abuse of their current domain seizure system, wherein they shut down a legitimate website for a full year, without any appeal or justification available...

Anonymous

...This bill's going even further, but the currently laws already don't protect the little guy enough, and these seem even less thought-out. (He thinks the law should be passed in some form, but that the current form is totally not it.)

Anonymous

Rep. Darrell Issa [R] says that this law will only even work if it's applied en-masse, which would cause a lack of scrutiny and inevitable misuse.

Rep. Darrell Issa [R] says that this bill is so poorly-written that it has components that apply to pre-internet standards that aren't even in use anymore.

Anonymous

So he's been raising good points all day.

Moshe

Ok, so we have Rep. Issa, and Rep. Lofgren.

That's two.

@JeremyBanks - Did I get her name right?

Anonymous

@Moshe Yup, Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D].

Moshe

10:22 PM

Awesome.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

booo i dont have sound

Moshe

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA - :-(

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

has this rly be going on since 10am?

Anonymous

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I tuned in at 11, so probably yes.

Anonymous

They did have a recess.

Moshe

10:25 PM

Ok, I have to look up multithreading on iOS. I have to implement some stuff.

Time to turn off SOPA.

Anonymous

@Moshe I think Rep. Jared Polis [D], mentioned above, should be added to your list.

Anonymous

Okay, have fun.

Moshe

Thanks.

@JeremyBanks If you don't mind, get me a single message with all 3 reps, and links to their wikipedia pages.

Fezziwig

@Moshe Oh, sorry. Tweet whatever you want, it's a public room :)

Moshe

@Fezziwig - Thanks. Also, what's your twitter handle?

Fezziwig

10:26 PM

Michael Mrozek

@mrozekma, West Lafayette, IN

904 tweets, 64 followers, following 50 users

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@Moshe flush.

:-P

Moshe

lol

Anonymous

Representatives Zoe Lofgren, Darrell Issa and Jared Polis have all come across as competent today, in contrast to many of their peers.

Tiny mooTim

And amendment to rename SOPA to ATMPAMVTSTCDA

Moshe

@TinymooTim To whaaa?

Tiny mooTim

10:28 PM

Attempt To Make People Assign Monetary Value To Something They Clearly Don't Act

Fezziwig

@JeremyBanks They should have a dynamic competence chart on the wall behind them, with a bar for each congressperson that automatically adjusts based on the number of tweets that contain both their name and positive or negative adjectives

Anonymous

Haha

Moshe

Haha

Fezziwig

I'm tempted to try implementing this now

Moshe

@Fezziwig Me too.

How do I access tweet data?

Fezziwig

10:29 PM

There's a fairly simple twitter API

Moshe

@Fezziwig Is there a simple way to query all of those tweets and count them quickly?

> The gentlelady hit right, hit the nail on the head.

Lol, love it.

Fezziwig

I think so. I'm not a twitter expert, but there's a search route, and I think it returns a count

Moshe

Ok, looking it up. Where can we get names/twitter accounts of the representatives?

Fezziwig

No idea. Their websites?

Tiny mooTim

Where do we get the URLs of their websites? Twitter.

Moshe

10:33 PM

ha

> separate internets under the pretense of the ip

Give me your internets.

Tiny mooTim

+1 internets

Anonymous

This is the aforementioned Jared Polis, despite the nametag saying otherwise.

Anonymous

...and another amendment fails.

Moshe

Chafetz, sound Jewish.

Fezziwig

Are all the passes people that aren't there, or are they abstaining?

Anonymous

10:37 PM

@Fezziwig I've been wondering that too.

Fezziwig

I think they're people that aren't there, but it's an awful lot

@Moshe Way to vote no

Moshe

@Fezziwig (Lol.

Anonymous

I'm going to call it in advance: this amendment will get ≤10 votes of support and fail.

Moshe

Lol, yup. But she knows what she is saying.

Boom!

Fezziwig

00.000.123.123 is my favorite website

I'm not sure how she knew

Moshe

10:41 PM

IP addresses are simply phone numbers!

Anonymous

Close enough. :P

Moshe

So what we're saying is that we're going to make people's life difficult and not solve the problem.

> In addition to this not being an effective tool, to combat internet piracy, it will actually promote internet piracy.

Anonymous

I don't understand how damaging DNSSEC is supposed to promote piracy.

Anonymous

She keeps saying things like that.

Moshe

@JeremyBanks Care to explain DNSSEC? I'm clueless.

Tim Stone

10:44 PM

Domain Name System Security Extensions

The Domain Name System Security Extensions (DNSSEC) is a suite of Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) specifications for securing certain kinds of information provided by the Domain Name System (DNS) as used on Internet Protocol (IP) networks. It is a set of extensions to DNS which provide to DNS clients (resolvers) origin authentication of DNS data, authenticated denial of existence, and data integrity, but not availability or confidentiality. Overview The original design of the Domain Name System (DNS) did not include security; instead it was designed to be a scalable distributed sy...

Anonymous

I don't know much about it; that article is probably the way to go.

Moshe

Mr. Berman is apparently Ms. Lofgren's friend from California. :-)

My Mom says to tell the Representatives that it's late and that they should go home.

Lol.

Anonymous

Silk Road (marketplace)

Silk Road is an online marketplace that its operators run as a Tor hidden service. As such, visitors must use Tor to access the marketplace. While the majority of products that sellers list on Silk Road qualify as contraband, the site's operators prohibit goods or services intended to harm others. NPR has referred to the site as the "Amazon.com of illegal drugs." Description Buyers and sellers conduct all transactions with bitcoins, a crypto-currency that allows for strong anonymity. Although bitcoin's exchange rate is fluctuating extremely in a short periods of time, all the prices on ...

Moshe

Let's install it and sell illegal recordings of the SOPA debate! :P

I-T-P address. heh

(twas a slip up)

Fezziwig

@JeremyBanks They didn't do a count, so we can't be sure

Moshe

10:51 PM

Mr. Chaffetz is on the good list.

@Fezziwig They didn't count specifically because @JeremyBanks called it. :P

Anonymous

@Moshe Oh yes, I forgot. Reddit had this to say:

Anonymous

2

Anonymous

paraphrasing the first thing he said today.

Moshe

I need more stars.

Tiny mooTim

You already booted me from the starred list with your current allotment. You insensitive clod.

Moshe

10:54 PM

Sorry.

:-(

Anonymous

(I opened this discussion by ranting about him.)

Moshe

@JeremyBanks Who is that one?

Lol, takes long?

How long have they been debating this? Bureaucracy takes long, not this.

Anonymous

2 hours ago, by Jeremy Banks

Mel Watt

Melvin Luther (Mel) Watt (born August 26, 1945) is the United States House of Representatives for , serving since 1993. He is a member of the Democratic Party. Early life, education and career Watt was born in Steele Creek, located in Mecklenburg County, and is a graduate of York Road High School in Charlotte. He was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1967 with a BS degree in Business Administration and was the president of the business honors fraternity as a result of having the highest academic average in the business school. In 1970, he re...

Moshe

Oh, him.

Tiny mooTim

10:58 PM

Someone farted.

Fezziwig

...wow

Anonymous

Getting her gigantic pile of amendments mixed up. =p

Fezziwig

I finally looked up "move to strike the last word"; that's legislative nonsense at its finest right there

I feel so bad every time they make her read the amendment, only to interrupt her three seconds later

Anonymous

@Fezziwig You just made me look it up. legacy.c-span.org/guide/congress/glossary/strikelw.htm:

Anonymous

> Strike the Last Word is a motion used by members to gain five minutes to speak when regular time has expired. It is not offered to actually strike the last word, but only to get more debate time. No vote is held.

Anonymous

11:03 PM

How obvious.

Fezziwig

They can't just have a mechanism for letting people have five minutes to speak. That would be too simple

Did she just say "we raise the issue of a hip-hop blog"?

I swear I just heard that

Anonymous

Yeah, have you not heard this?

Fezziwig

Not at all

Anonymous

sec

Anonymous

Feds Falsely Censor Popular Blog For Over A Year, Deny All Due Process, Hide All Details...

Tiny mooTim

11:06 PM

"Nobody is against taking away the bad guys."

The height of intellectual debate.

Moshe

@Fezziwig lol, I know.

Anonymous

... (guy making goofy faces on screen behind the guy who's speaking)

Moshe

Anonymous

haha

Moshe

> Even if I agreed with this, and I might...

wut?

Tiny mooTim

11:12 PM

The internet.

It's for porn.

Anonymous

You're ahead of me. D=

Fezziwig

...is this really happening

Anonymous

XD

Moshe

lol, ahead of me too

Lol

> We're immune from copyright laws.

Anonymous

For you who aren't watching: he's submitting the lyrics to "The Internet Is For Porn" (from Avenue Q) in the record.

Tiny mooTim

11:13 PM

Something seems incredibly wrong with that.

Anonymous

> This bill is a pornographer's wet dream.

Anonymous

This is spectacular.

Anonymous

Turning this into a random unrelated moral issue.

Anonymous

Well, not random. Still.

Moshe

Where does one get said record from?

Tiny mooTim

11:16 PM

+1 For mocking the process. -1 For having a fairly lame point.

Anonymous

This amendment actually sounds pretty dumb.

Fezziwig

@JeremyBanks It's a joke, I assume

Anonymous

@TinymooTim Yes, exactly.

Fezziwig

@Moshe It's in THOMAS I believe

Moshe

Huh?

Anonymous

11:17 PM

@Fezziwig Oh. Oh, that sounds better.

Moshe

@Fezziwig - Re the Twitter mashup, I yield to the gentleman with the holiday hat.

Fezziwig

@Moshe We should talk like that all the time

Moshe

@Fezziwig All in favor of that amendment, aye. I recognize myself in favor of the amendment.

Fezziwig

"Makes ... certain types of content ... more available online"

WINK

Tiny mooTim

People don't like to walk into porn stores, have porn on their credit card bills, etc.

Moshe

11:20 PM

lol

Fezziwig

I'm starting to wonder if this isn't a joke

Anonymous

It has that feel. I'm enjoying it greatly.

Moshe

Special anti piracy sessions.

Tiny mooTim

Pirate Booty Hunters 14

Anonymous

aaaand someone randomly ties in child porn.

Fezziwig

11:23 PM

Well yeah. Think of the children, @JeremyBanks

Tiny mooTim

Recorded vote!

That was a pointless call.

Moshe

Liked Mr. Polis' aye.

Nice and loud.

Wait, it was his own amendment.

Meh.

Tiny mooTim

500 no 7 yes. The Internet is for Porn Amendment falls

Moshe

Lol.

Better than before.

Fezziwig

I know it's Congress and it's ancient, but don't they have electronic voting? I've seen them use it

Moshe

11:28 PM

1:2 ratio

@Fezziwig They might get sued by Facebook for infringing on polls.

Ok, I can't watch anymore. Got to really get stuff done.

::closes VLC::

Keep me posted.

Fezziwig

The body that passed the DMCA is talking about how we shouldn't make stuff illegal just because it can be used for bad

Moshe

@Fezziwig Lol, different people serving?

That's like saying that the 2011 Mets are the 1968 Mets.

Puleeez.

Even the stadium is different.

Tiny mooTim

Most likely an amendment which won't pass :P

After all, they did pass the DMCA.

Fezziwig

I wonder what percentage is actually different; it wasn't that long ago, and the incumbency rate is high

Tiny mooTim

I support this product or service. Move to vote.

Moshe

11:33 PM

Instead of "consider the amendment read" try "consider the amendment rejected".

Anonymous

What's the gist of this amendment? I just heard Tor mentioned, but I was on the phone.

Tiny mooTim

Circumvention devices something something.

Moshe

I'm not listening anymore. Tired and have to be somewhere in an hour.

Tiny mooTim

I didn't really grok the whole thing.

Fezziwig

@JeremyBanks The current bill allows any product to be criminalized if it can be used to circumvent the DNS block; they want to amend it to only cover things specifically designed for it

Anonymous

11:35 PM

@Fezziwig Oh god, really? This bill illegalizes Tor?

Tiny mooTim

Pacifically.

Moshe

Atlantically.

Anonymous

> SOPA's anticircumvention authorizes injunctions against the provision of tools to bypass the court-ordered blocking of domains. Although it is apparently aimed at MAFIAAfire, the Firefox add-on that offered redirection for seized domains in the wake of ICE seizures, the provision as drafted sweeps much more broadly. (source)

Fezziwig

They did specifically mention Tor at some point

Moshe

Naptime.

Tiny mooTim

11:39 PM

Let's debate stuff and then withdraw it.

Moshe

"Consider the debate read, arm, debated."

Tiny mooTim

They get pizza?!

Moshe

:: turns the stream back on::

Tiny mooTim

3 types?! I'm running for Congress. After I move to the US.

Moshe

Lol

> Are you providing 3 types of pizza for the minority too?

Anonymous

11:41 PM

> Last night I had a horrifying dream that a group of well-intentioned middle-aged people who could not distinguish between a domain name and an IP address were trying to regulate the Internet. Then I woke up and the Judiciary Committee’s SOPA hearings were on.

8

Anonymous

- The nightmarish SOPA hearings, Alexandra Petri, Opinions, The Washington Post

Tiny mooTim

I suppose I should go make my family a choice of 1 entree.

Fezziwig

11:56 PM

"It's not a low standard, it's just... not a very high standard"

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