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Tim Stone

7:00 AM

@YiJiang 3.6...and it's called...Uh...

Helios apparently?

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Helios. Right, but apt-get just installed 3.5.x

Tim Stone

That's pretty lame. :P

Yi Jiang

Maybe it's because my father's still using 10.04 LTS

Tim Stone

@Benjol Hmm, that looks interesting. I've bookmarked it for later, thanks! :)

Benjol

@TimStone, it really should be titled "You could have invented git (and maybe you already have)"

Yi Jiang

7:06 AM

@RebeccaChernoff I think I just found a bug in the SEModification.user.js script

Tim Stone

Heheh

Yi Jiang

The (audit) link gets inserted in the wrong place, after the badges instead of the rep

Tim Stone

What site is that?

Dan Grossman

I get up to find my wallet so I can buy something... by the time I get back to the computer, I have cake and soda but no wallet.

Rebecca Chernoff

Interesting.

Yi Jiang

7:07 AM

@TimStone physics.meta

Rebecca Chernoff

Appears to be an issue on the metas. I see it on MWA as well.

Yi Jiang

I think it should be the case for all meta sketchy sites

@RebeccaChernoff But not meta.so apparently

Tim Stone

I think it's because of the lack of reputation link, perhaps..

Rebecca Chernoff

It affects graduated SE2.0 sites, it isn't just sketchy.

@TimStone, yeah, without looking that's my thought.

Feel free to create an issue. I'm headed to bed now though. 7 more workdays to go. >_<

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff G'night. You're almost there. :P

@YiJiang I'll take care of it; when the link isn't there the .parent() call goes up too far, so .after() inserts the link in the wrong place.

Yi Jiang

7:11 AM

@TimStone Right, okay. I was looking at the same script, and found that line, but you're more familiar with that script so..

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Oh, well if you'd like to go ahead, feel free. I just didn't want to say "Go fix it yourself", especially since I didn't know if you had gotten git downloaded. If you'd like to fix it, I certainly won't stop you. :P

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I got it, after a couple of hours

Tim Stone

Ah, good stuff

Yi Jiang

21 hours ago, by Yi Jiang

"Building and Installing git" Oh yes!

Also, on a totally unrelated note,

Tim Stone

Hmm, I wonder where I was then..Oh, playing NFS I think, heh.

Yi Jiang

7:14 AM

(Not my cat. I just like uploading random pictures of cute cats)

Tim Stone

Hahah

Greg Hewgill

I noticed that the user profile page now includes answer upvote counts against each tag

Tim Stone

Yeah, that went live the other day.

Greg Hewgill

I also noticed that my "java" tag shows a score of 1075: stackoverflow.com/users/893/greg-hewgill and this agrees with the stackoverflow.com/tags/java/topusers page (but you probably can't see me on there)

I wonder, however, why I haven't got a gold 'java' badge for that yet

dmckee

@GregHewgill Spiffy!

Tim Stone

7:22 AM

@GregHewgill You don't have 200 answers

Greg Hewgill

not that I need more badges or anything...

why do I need 200 answers?

Tim Stone

> You must have a total score of 1000 in at least 200 non-community wiki answers to achieve this badge.

(for the gold tag badge)

Greg Hewgill

where's that documented on the site? is that new?

Yi Jiang

@GregHewgill As part of the new rules on Tag Badges, yes

It's one of Waffle's posts. See if I can dig it up

Greg Hewgill

I'm hovering over all the instances of the tag I can find, and nowhere does it mention the 200 answer threshold

Tim Stone

7:24 AM

It's documented here. It's to prevent gaming, though you might argue that 200 is more than enough to ensure that someone didn't get all of their up votes from non-useful, but popular, question answers.

I think waffles commented on the rules the other day too, though in response to a question over a different area of the restrictions.

Greg Hewgill

aah, right hand side. I see it now :)

Tim Stone

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A: Why do you require 100 questions in a tag before its badges are awarded?

This was part of a large scale anti-gaming implementation that protected us against abuse, for a bronze tag badge to apply we require: The tag appears on 100 questions You have at least 20 non-wiki answers You have a total score of 100 on non-wiki questions Additionally, unlike other badges,...

(a bit different since it references the bronze badge, but there's some brief explanation of the rationale behind each particular section of the requirements)

Greg Hewgill

well, that explains the observation anyway. Now I just need to answer 50 more questions (and they don't even have to be good answers!)

Tim Stone

Heheh

Dan Grossman

:wonders if selling gold badges for $10 would be a good business:

:expects sobadgestore.com is unregistered:

hi Marc

Greg Hewgill

7:34 AM

egoldbadge.com?

Marc Gravell

@DanGrossman mornin'

Tim Stone

'Ello Marc, how are you this Monday morning?

Dan Grossman

    Hi there,

    Hint wanted to let you know that your email address and password that you used to signup for Gawker (or one of its sites) were hacked. Forbes' coverage is here

    In situations like this, time is of the essence, which is why we were surprised & shocked to find that Gawker Media hadn't taken the initiative to notify you of this privacy breach immediately. We HIGHLY recommend you change all of your online passwords as a precaution.

    -The Team at Hint
    (This is a one time email)

what an excuse to spam a million people with links to their webapp

Tim Stone

Heh

Dan Grossman

I don't use that e-mail address as a login for anything, not worried about it

Greg Hewgill

7:43 AM

and.. what the heck is up with all the 'roblox' questions today?

I understand it's a kid's game of some sort... but they're mostly truly miserable questions

Tim Stone

Hm, I was wondering what Michael was referring to over there in the starred message list, heh. I guess my front page has been fairly good about not showing that stuff to me...but yeah, those are some pretty poor questions.

Yi Jiang

8:01 AM

blogadvisorysystem.com

Hehee....

Specifically the last one

Greg Hewgill

hopefully nobody minds if I ask for help with close votes for questions without lasting value: stackoverflow.com/questions/4394147

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Hahaha, brilliant.

@GregHewgill Should that really be migrated to SF, or is it just S&A?

Dan Grossman

@GregHewgill :votes:

There are a good handful of DDOS questions on SF already that aren't closed, so they must think it's on-topic there

I just installed Olark on one of my ecommerce sites so visitors can live chat with me. Nobody's chatted, yet :(

Greg Hewgill

hey that works well! thanks guys :)

Tim Stone

No problem. :)

Dan Grossman

8:08 AM

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman Offending website and your browser :D ?

Dan Grossman

Microsoft AdCenter :| Chrome

Yi Jiang

Really? Such a big website not supporting Chrome...

Firefox works okay... Hmmm...

Greg Hewgill

somebody's sniffing browsers

Dan Grossman

it's as if they don't want my money

Yi Jiang

8:11 AM

The last few packages are slow to download...

Dan Grossman

w3counter.com/trends check out Chrome's growth trajectory

Yi Jiang

This 10.04 -> 10.10 upgrade is taking a hell of a long time

@DanGrossman You have enough score for [php] to help out with this?

Dan Grossman

With what?

Yi Jiang

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Q: php tag info needs update

Latest version of PHP is listed as 5.3.3. It's 5.3.4 now. Also, PHP 6 does not officially exist anymore - the development branch is called "trunk" and has no version as of yet.

Dan Grossman

hmm

I can edit apparently

Jin

8:32 AM

i'm happy with the new programmers.se design now

Dan Grossman

awesome

Jin

i'm sure i'll want to kill myself when i convert it to css though, like i often do.

Yi Jiang

@Jin Can haz show us?

Jin

@YiJiang NO!

i'll post it on meta.programmer.se tomorrow :)

or later today(monday)

Dan Grossman

Tim Stone

8:42 AM

And in here, for those of us who like shiny things but have no interest in bothering to go to programmers? ;)

Jin

I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE PROGRAMMERS!

Dan Grossman

We're not meta programmers, though

radp

8:59 AM

@DanGrossman Unicorn zombie dragon?

Dan Grossman

ah feck, I just killed a server by filling up the root partition =p

that's supposed to be Deathwing, BRB while I move things around

Got error 28 from storage engine

F**king Anttwon.

"Hello I was wondering where my order is. I paid for it and haven't gotten it what's the problem?"

He's forgotten about his 3 support tickets and 21 e-mails, wherein he canceled the order and was issued a refund, and I sent proof of that refund 4 times.

radp

yay, I got strunk and white on SO

Yi Jiang

Oh great fucking basterds they finally unblocked the BBC

The BBC reports this: bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11981014

radp

nevermind I originally believed "strunk and white" was "struck and white" as in "correction fluid" :P

Dan Grossman

9:17 AM

What is strunk and white?

Yi Jiang

The Elements of Style

The Elements of Style (1918) (aka Strunk & White), by William Strunk, Jr., and E. B. White, is a prescriptive American English writing style guide comprising eight "elementary rules of usage," ten "elementary principles of composition," “a few matters of form,” a list of forty-nine "words and expressions commonly misused," and a list of fifty-seven "words often misspelled." History Cornell University English professor William Strunk, Jr., wrote The Elements of Style in 1918, privately published it in 1919, and first revised it in 1935 with editor Edward A. Tenney. In 1957 at The New Yo...

Dan Grossman

Hi - I saw you just signed up for olark.com, let me know if there is anything I can do to help

-Ben

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

It doesn't appear to be from a BlackBerry from the mail headers. Fake personal mail :(

Dan Grossman

9:35 AM

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 32 secs ago, by Coding Kitten

@DanGrossman Snooping through your profile, you live ~8 blocks down Nelson from me. Small world.

creepbot!

radp

9:47 AM

@DanGrossman Coding Kitten will be paying you a visit later tonight...

although it may have trouble killing you in your sleep, given how little you have of that.

Dan Grossman

Yayyyy, people are chatting with me from my website.

So far, it has not resulted in any more sales, especially since the people chatting are in countries I don't sell to because of fraud rates (Russia, Romania...)

radp

@DanGrossman Aww, I had a great lottery for you to win.

And this amazing Meta Stack Overflow Premium service to sell you too!

Dan Grossman

:lol:

Tim Stone

@radp Does it come with a platinum badge?

Dan Grossman

There are only 4 people with a certain SO badge. Do you think anyone would notice if I gave that badge to a dozen people in a day?

radp

10:01 AM

@TimStone Sure, platinum badges such as Supporter, Briber, Bonfired, alert(false); and Interesting Person.

And the mythical Unicorn badge.

You've probably seen alert(false); before and thought it was silver.

It wasn't, it was platinum.

Tim Stone

@DanGrossman Probably, even if we ignored the fact that you've mentioned it several times in here.

@radp Ah, my eyes deceived me!

Dan Grossman

I'm doing that to prevent myself from actually doing it.

radp

@TimStone It's okay -- platinum badges on the real site shine with bloom and lens flare. Can't really render it on paper.

Dan Grossman

Gaming is tempting

radp

You may have actually noticed some of these effects in the form of a barely visible person with a photocamera in their hands.

That's our exclusive unicorn-shaped lens flare.

Tim Stone

10:05 AM

How much will all of these wonderful things cost me? And where do I sign?!

radp

@TimStone @Pekka is doing the accounting.

Tim Stone

Ah, should I contact him with all of my personal information then?

radp

@TimStone Your transactions with be safely handled by the most respected NIGERIAN STATE BANK.

2

Tim Stone

I can sleep soundly at night knowing that my transaction is in the safest of hands.

3

Dan Grossman

Was that discussion of how expensive The Economist is in this room or the SO tavern?

Today's Groupon for my city is 51 issues for $51

Yi Jiang

10:12 AM

@DanGrossman Here, I think

Pekka

@DanGrossman chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/89?m=388947#388947

Dan Grossman

ah, thanks

Putting a mail() call into the error handler on w3counter.com was a bad idea

about 2000 mails sent out in <1 min when the DB got backed up for a few seconds

12,814 people are viewing a tracked webpage right now

radp

10:32 AM

Quick sanity check:

in a MVC model does it make sense to make separate Models and Views per user type?

Dan Grossman

views maybe, models sounds unusual

radp

My concern is that the View bit of the architecture ends up at the users'

so it may be compromised -- esp. considered it's Java we're talking about

so I wanted to make it marginally harder to get to unauthorized methods by simply removing them.

Dan Grossman

Gonna sleep for a few hours, later

radp

11:09 AM

@Marc Mind chiming in?

radp

11:32 AM

> Most surprising, Steve’s emails show that he’s developed a “holy father/son” relationship with Pope Benedict XVI — a bond that formed when Steve sweet-talked the pontiff into appearing in the Pope Rock iPod commercial earlier this year. “Benny,” as Steve often addresses him, has been trying to get Apple to sponsor his next world tour. Steve emailed back that he’s happy to consider, “if you can just tone down the religion thing a little.”

Scoopertino: Wikileaks Releases 140k emails from Steve Jobs.

Marc Gravell

11:57 AM

@radp on?

I would split controller, not model

view is trickier

bit of both, but links etc need to always point to correct controller to validate user

radp

12:12 PM

@MarcGravell on the "chiming in" link, not on the MVC thing :)

@MarcGravell ...duh, I meant controller :)

Marc Gravell

ah, sorry. My stoopid.

radp

no worries.

Marc Gravell

Interesting question...

not sure I know an immediate answer. Thinking...

radp

Reticulating splines...

2

Defining good...

Considering narwhals...

Enumerating badges...

Recalculating reputation...

Yi Jiang

12:30 PM

@radp Just list out all of the Sim City 4 loading strings :P

The ones from World of Goo are also cute

Maybe we should give more encouragement to the people who actually bother reading the tag wikis before asking questions

> Congratulations, you've successfully read the tag wiki on jQuery. That makes you 75% smarter than most of the people who ask jQuery questions on Stack Overflow

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Pekka

12:58 PM

Only 75%

I think more like 95%

Yi Jiang

1:16 PM

@MarcGravell It's not CSS naked day; where's chat's CSS gone to?

radp

Darn you @YiJ, you made me refresh.

I take it @Marc is working on soothing my grammar pains with the "send" button!

Yi Jiang