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7:00 PM

Is he trying to do this so that he'll have the key memorized? A little above and beyond creating a sentence to remember a sequence of items.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff even better if he just gives us the song afterwards ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

Haha

drachenstern

What's that Redmond? No, we don't know how this key got into the public domain ...

Rebecca Chernoff

> Incidentally, have you heard this hit song?

drachenstern

what's that "condition" where a person who knows the least thinks he knows enough about something to make a decision on it?

balpha

7:03 PM

bikeshed effect?

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern Management?

balpha

no, actually that's probably not what you mean

radp

Venture Capitialists Queue for Garlic Waffles.

drachenstern

no it's not ...

it's got a for-real name, and a wikipedia article

This is one of those cases where what I know I don't know prohibits me from communicating well...

balpha

Just pretend you know what you don't know, and wait for the insults. Someone will call you the right name.

drachenstern

7:06 PM

lol, the point is to avoid that ;)

Also, I want to use it in a comment and sound smarter than I apparently am :p

radp

@drachenstern pointy-haired boss?

Rebecca Chernoff

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/95/english-language-and-usage

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff you knew which site I was trying to post on? !!!

radp

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff asked, now to await someone to log in and know the answer

Rebecca Chernoff

7:09 PM

@drachenstern Do we need to spin the WOM?

drachenstern

ooooh, rubber ducking for the win Dunning–Kruger effect

@RebeccaChernoff since I'm not on there, sure

balpha

let's see if my teeny-tiny follower power is enough

What's that "condition" where a person who knows the least thinks he knows enough to make a decision on it? http://bit.ly/fUQTJ4

Tweeted by balpha on December 13, 2010 at 7:09 PM

Rebecca Chernoff

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff /facepalm I totally read that WOB

radp

@balpha I think most of your followers are here anyway :P

...speaking of which. clicks.

drachenstern

7:11 PM

Waha, now I seem to know that I know not enough about the subject matter on which I am commenting :D

balpha

@radp I think you followed me before -- EVIL UNFOLLOWER!

drachenstern

and if :396497 didn't hurt your brain, I can try again

balpha

@balpha Management?

Tweeted by jonsagara on December 13, 2010 at 7:11 PM in reply to balpha

Rebecca Chernoff

zomg

drachenstern

> Thank You and Welcome to hotels.com Email! You signed up to receive weekly emails, coupons, deals and specials. We are excited to have you as a subscriber.

Tim Stone

7:12 PM

Hahahah

Rebecca Chernoff

8 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern Management?

drachenstern

@hotels.com ~ No. No I didn't.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern They apparently disagree :P

drachenstern

@TimStone I'm confused by that fact tho

radp

http://i.imgur.com/BHNZO.png I like this idea.

Tweeted by LessPopMoreFizz on December 12, 2010 at 6:13 AM

drachenstern

7:13 PM

> Thanks for updating your hotels.com email preferences. If you'd like to make additional changes, just [sod off you]

balpha

Speaking of interesting emails, who would've thought that Western Union can't afford their own domain. According to the mail the sent me, my contact person is western_union2a@hotmail.com

drachenstern

> You haven't subscribed to these great newsletters. * hotels.com Hottest Deals * Other travel emails from hotels.com partners

Tim Stone

@balpha Ah, you're brokering a deal with @radp and @Pekka I see.

Rebecca Chernoff

For a while I had 42 followers. I felt pretty special. Then somebody unfollowed me and now I just have an uncool 41 followers (uncool number, not uncool followers q:). |:

radp

@TimStone No. balpha, has a mod, already has free Meta Stack Overflow Premium Plus.

balpha

7:14 PM

@TimStone both pekka and I are in Europe; we have a working money transfer system and don't need Western Union

drachenstern

@balpha that's ok, I might have won 2 trillion GBP from the Nigerian lottery. I'm supposed to contact sluttysara@hotamil.com (not saying that's a real email address)

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I preempted the possibility for such uncoolness by simply not being on Twitter. :P

jleedev

just corrected all SO questions tagged [floating][point]

drachenstern

@balpha Speak no evil. A working money transfer system that doesn't involve blood oaths? We apparently aren't allowed to speak of such things ...

Tim Stone

@radp Ah...that lucky sob.

radp

7:15 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Now some people will follow you by request, and you'll go from 41 straight to 43.

drachenstern

In other news, we have always been at war with Eurasia

Tim Stone

0

A: The moderator queue is no longer a queue.

Actually there is some truth in Michael's answer; we're playing with things that should make the most pressing issues appear first, to make moderation easier. I also plan on merging the three tabs, and tracking the number of mods that have viewed it without doing anything urgently. All suggestio...

UNACCEPTABLE, Michael Mrozek being given credit yet again!

balpha

@RebeccaChernoff I'm pretty sure you'll get 2 to 6 new followers each time you tweet "oy"

4

Rebecca Chernoff

@radp Damn.

Hahaha

Tim Stone

@jleedev Heh, how many was that? :P

jleedev

7:18 PM

@TimStone Only 9, and a handful just had [floating]

Tim Stone

@balpha Yeah, but they'll take 6-8 weeks to click the follow button.

2

Ah, not too terrible then. Nice job! :)

Rebecca Chernoff

The next time someone stars an "oy", I have this link handy:

yesterday, by Jeff Atwood

you guys have got to stop starring all "Oy" messages

2

Tim Stone

Not my fault. :P

balpha

The bigger problem being: How do you plan on making people listen to Jeff?

drachenstern

I love pissing contests with idiots :D

0

A: Revise the community wiki policy, or enforce it better

"The original author keeps the reputation gained (or lost) before their post entered community mode." What are "Community Wiki" posts?

Rebecca Chernoff

7:21 PM

@balpha ...crap.

drachenstern

Not @DanGrossman but the OP, in the comments

Fosco

Hi

A new star candidate is born. :)

Pekka

@drachenstern that guy is crazy.

Rebecca Chernoff

Hmm. I seem to recall a feature request from way back when that if a chat message was quoted and starred, that the original message would get the star.

status-denied

?

Pekka

@drachenstern got over your self esteem issues yet?

Fosco

7:23 PM

I'm having a terrible day.

balpha

1

Q: Starring a quoted message should star the original message instead.

In an ideal world, if the guys in Bridge starred this message, it should be the original message that actually gets starred.

Pekka

@Fosco Why?

drachenstern

@Pekka I'm pretty sure I did but it could be my shirt ...

Fosco

@Pekka ah nothing you'd want to hear about... relationship stuff.

jleedev

But we've already meta-heard about it.

mootinator

7:25 PM

I'm making a gigantic mess.

Pekka

@drachenstern yeah! Or maybe you just love socialism. Dirty commie.

drachenstern

@Fosco nonsense, help me keep in focus that my own relationship problems are merely transient and that another shares my concerns about life

Pekka

@fosco a while in the tavern will cheer you up!

drachenstern

@Pekka I can't believe you would call someone a commie, you must be a pinko rat bastard! (on the takes one to know one attack strategy)

mootinator

For instance, I'm using Html->LabelFor in ASP.NET MVC even though using it is a bit of an anti-pattern.

drachenstern

7:26 PM

@mootinator I read that as .... nevermind, doesn't matter, what's the fun thing on your plate today?

Fosco

@drachenstern haha... well I was trying to be nice by waiting until after the holidays to break up with my girlfriend, but she's really making it difficult.

mootinator

Putting display stuff in the model... Yeah, great idea.

drachenstern

@Fosco it's ok, my wife alternates between "we need time apart" to "I'm so happy we're together" which really irks me because I'm not sure if she's picked something to be pissed at me about or if she's really trying to tell me something

Rebecca Chernoff

@balpha As for the star toggle, if a chat message is quoted, display stars from the original, not the quote. Then I have indication of whether or not I've starred it previously. As for cross-site, no problem if there's an associated account and if not, can anonymous/logged out users star things? If so, not a tremendous deal?

Fosco

@drachenstern =\..

Rebecca Chernoff

7:27 PM

Has it gotten much consideration in the last month? (:

Tim Stone

@Fosco Ah, that's rough. Sorry to hear that. :/

drachenstern

note: our relationship is a rugged and fire-tested one that I'm sure things are fine

Pekka

@drachenstern go make posts CW with your socialist friends.

Don't forget to leave your passport when you leave for Moscow.

jleedev

I’m getting semantic satiation seeing float float float float float repeatedly.

drachenstern

@Fosco so what's up with your gf mate?

mootinator

7:28 PM

@drachtenstern Socialist eh? So you read Huffington Post then.

Fosco

@drachenstern She's miserable 24x7 about everything except being with me.

drachenstern

@Fosco define: miserable about everything ...

do you have any future plans that are waiting on the new year to enact? have you plans to move in together?

mootinator

@Fosco :S

drachenstern

is she having a rough spot at work right now?

Fosco

@drachenstern negative, pessimistic, stubborn... spiteful, sarcastic... lazy.

mootinator

7:30 PM

Is she in a rough part of the month right now? #truth

Fosco

@mootinator lol no, that's over..

@drachenstern she already lives with me (+5 to difficulty)

drachenstern

@Fosco I guess I meant what is she being miserable over?

her commute? her coworkers? her weight? her mum? her dad? her siblings? her pets? her clothes?

Fosco

@drachenstern self-esteem issues mostly, which I cannot do anything about.

drachenstern

@Fosco well you can. Just harder I've found for us compy folk to realize

radp

@RebeccaChernoff anonymous/logged out users can't star things, or @Pekka wouldn't fly in and out every time to star a single message.

drachenstern

7:32 PM

identify something she's self-esteem worried about

any little thing

Fosco

weight mostly, but she refuses to do anything about it... won't exercise, won't eat better.

drachenstern

do you exercise?

Fosco

more than she does.. she won't do it with me, won't go to the gym with me, etc.

drachenstern

may be something for you to take up with her (actually that's terrible advice, unless you need to lose weight yourself, in which case you might could make the pitch where you start working out after a doctor's visit)

Does she have any close friends?

Michael Mrozek

@balpha The Dunning–Kruger effect?

drachenstern

7:33 PM

My wife does her working out (when she does, which is like never) with her sister.

Fosco

a few... only 1 or 2 shes close with, and she wouldn't do it with them either.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek a little late. Also notice I answered my own question before his twittering. But if you knew that then star to you sir

Rebecca Chernoff

@radp Heh. Ok, so the big issue is starring something cross-room for a site you don't have an associated account on?

drachenstern

@Fosco but could they help you figure out how to get through to her that it would help her feel better?

@Fosco trust me, this is an issue I'm nearly at the point of having to deal with myself, she wants to work out but has no motivation to go

Fosco

@drachenstern too late now.. I just want to be free. it's way beyond that one issue.

Rebecca Chernoff

7:35 PM

Pandora is being so helpful today. I've been listening to it for an hour and I've heard the current song for the 3rd time and 3 other songs have played twice each.

drachenstern

@Fosco well see, that's different :S

Fosco

in her own words from yesterday, I do everything for her and she does nothing for me.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff I hate when that happens. I usually give up there and make a new playlist

Michael Mrozek

@drachenstern Oh. T_T. I didn't know it, I looked it up

drachenstern

@Fosco so you're an enabler.

@MichaelMrozek good on you then :D

Rebecca Chernoff

7:35 PM

@drachenstern Just listening to a main Christmas list. Not one of my own.

Fosco

@drachenstern yep! I've used that term myself...

she's intuitive though, she knows something is wrong.

Greg Hewgill

quit your girlfriend, quit your job, put your stuff in storage, travel the world for a year. :)

Rebecca Chernoff

I just need to survive dealing with websense for 6.25 more workdays. Heh.

Actually, after that I could just listen to an actual radio. Without ear plugs.

balpha

OMG, they killed Jimmy Wales. I see his German version now, even on the english wikipedia

Rebecca Chernoff

For a few days I saw an author there. But now she's gone and Jimmy is back for me.

drachenstern

7:43 PM

@GregHewgill probably the absolute best advice he could hear, just not necessarily the best advice he could afford... what I wish I could do, or get my wife to go with me

Fosco

@drachenstern exactly.. it's not an option for me.. just want to do the first part. I'm very happy alone.

drachenstern

@Fosco you'ld be surprised what a year off traveling and destressing would reveal to you about yourself and about your work

Fosco

@drachenstern I would love to find out.

mootinator

@balpha Sue Gardner, who the hell is Sue Gardner!

We want Jimmy. We want Jimmy.

drachenstern

@balpha so sad they never found a way to newspeak replace fuhrer in Deutsch with something else ... so reminded of Herr Hitler when I hear that word ... unfortunate side effect of nasty world wars ...

Tim Stone

7:47 PM

@mootinator How will we know it's a genuine plea for help if his face isn't there in 50 different poses begging for our assistance?!

Fosco

I wrote a blog post about the wikileaks topic.. fosco.com/wordpress/?p=26

balpha

@drachenstern It just means "leader" or "guide", though

drachenstern

@balpha oh I know

just a shame that it has such a negative connotation

mootinator

> “Wikipedia only works in practice. In theory, it's a total disaster.”

drachenstern

Lady Gaga? Justin Bieber? wtf r they doing on my google search results? ZOMG

mootinator

7:49 PM

@drachenstern Google has detected that you frequently tweet about these subjects.

drachenstern

@mootinator that would be impossible actually

Tim Stone

firefoxlive.mozilla.org/…

......

drachenstern

damn you wikipedia random button!

Louis Sullivan Bungalow

The Louis Sullivan Bungalow was a vacation home for noted architect Louis Sullivan on the Gulf Coast in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. It was built in the early 1890s, restored in the 1980s, but was completely destroyed by Hurricane Katrina in 2005. References *[http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/chi-0509080196sep08,1,6171581.story?page=1&coll=chi-nonmmxent-utl Wright-Sullivan gems gutted], Chicago Tribune, September 8, 2005. *[http://archrecord.construction.com/news/katrina/damage-1.asp Hurricane Katrina devastates Gulf Coast region, severely compromises architectural landscape], Archi...

Tim Stone

> Download Firefox 4 Beta to help the cubs get their next treat.

It's like that bunny...thing, but themed!

Rebecca Chernoff

...

Tim Stone

7:55 PM

shakes head

drachenstern

> @Lady_Angelus hotmail is doing shit....so I can't check my email. That's Bullshit!

more jewels from twitter

balpha

8:10 PM

these are really pretty good:

new favorite webcomic -- bug! http://www.bugcomic.com/comics/the-disappointed-dead/

Tweeted by codinghorror on December 13, 2010 at 11:33 AM

except that they sometimes have ads with music :\

Rebecca Chernoff

That's pretty fail. ):

They're...alright?

Fosco

I like 'em.

drachenstern

As do I

Rebecca Chernoff

Ok, this one made me laugh: bugcomic.com/comics/cats-eye

drachenstern

in other news, i want that tablet paper

radp

8:28 PM

@RebeccaChernoff No Idea what the big deal is anymore, I'm sure there are nasty corner cases however.

drachenstern

@balpha I blame you for my lack of work today right? bugcomic.com/comics/knowing-is-half-the-battle

balpha

/blame Jeff, not me

drachenstern

oh lovely, office visitors today ...

Tim Stone

Hmm, only 31 errors left. Who wants to take care of the rest? ;)

Fosco

I like this one: bugcomic.com/comics/protesting

drachenstern

8:36 PM

@TimStone hell I just found two :(

radp

Mostly Armless

Tim Stone

/blame Bug comic :(

mootinator

Gah

Tim Stone

4

Q: Best webmaster-related comics?

Following up on the popular programming comics questions on SO and other SE-websites I was wondering if you guys know any good comics about webdesign. It can be hard sometimes to categorize but let's keep it at examples that fit with the 'webmasters' theme. I'll post mine as an answer too. (I ...

fun pop-culture comics webmaster-related

Really?

radp

@TimStone Need 24 more reputation!

Dammit.

balpha

8:44 PM

We need an A51 proposal "Best comics that relate to specific professions" as a migration target

radp

I so want to reply with

mootinator

But... There are NO good XKCD comics for DBAs!

drachenstern

lmao, really I'm at work, I should be quiet and business like :p

Tim Stone

I'm surprised that the mod made it CW instead of just nuking it from orbit. I like to have fun too, but I don't go "Oh look, a Q&A site, let me get my kicks there."

Except on Meta, but. :P

radp

...but I'd have to redo the final panel

Tim Stone

8:47 PM

Hahah

mootinator

Sooooo

Tim Stone

Ah Mass Effect 3 <3

I need to start working in high gear in anticipation of all of the games that are due to come out next year. :P

radp

@TimStone 3 <3

radp: Error 2: DOES NOT COMPUTE

Tim Stone

Hm, looks like it was a fatal error. :(

balpha

bugcomic.com/comics/no-zombie-no-zombie-stop

drachenstern

8:57 PM

@balpha theoatmeal.com/comics/zombie_how

Fosco

adios muchachos

Rebecca Chernoff

9:36 PM

Who was discussing the cost of the Economist? @NickT? @DanGrossman? @GeorgeMarian? Thinking it was those 3.

radp

It was @@@@.

Rebecca Chernoff

For some reason, Groupon showed me SF instead on STL, shrugs groupon.com/deals/the-economist-san-francisco?c=dnb&p=1

drachenstern

9:53 PM

organically!!! drachenstern 2,985 ~ Almost there :D

Michael Mrozek

We need to start a meta tradition of mass downvoting people when they hit important rep points so they fall way under them again

radp

badassoftheweek.com/tesla.html

5

Rebecca Chernoff

Sounds good to me. I'm sufficiently above 3K and by the time I'm close to 10K you'll have forgotten about it.

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff I never forget when it comes to downvotes you're owed

radp

@MichaelMrozek Who is it who just got 10k?

Michael Mrozek

9:56 PM

@radp I think Tesla is my favorite one out of all the profiles on that site

@radp I know it wasn't me. That's about as specific as I can be

Greg and Popular are both less than 1k over

radp

That's quite the amount of downvoting.

Maybe you'd rather want to trick them into casting a bounty.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek just so long as you do it to like 30 of my posts all at once. Or something like that ;)

@radp no fair, he's always badass of the week

mootinator

badassoftheweek.com/vader.html

Tyler Chacha

Hello

drachenstern

wb Tyler

unphotographable.com/archives/2010/12/burqa_discount_bin.shtml

holy crap: wired.com/playbook/2010/12/video-metrodome-roof-collapses

Ok, I like this one: rabittooth.com/vin1.jpg

work? what's that?

The Unhandled Exception

10:29 PM

Hey everyone. Just popped in for a quick drink to drown my sorrows ;-)

How is everyone today?

Rebecca Chernoff

sorrows? ):

Nick T

99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it to @TheUnhandledException, 98 bottles of beer on the wall.

drachenstern

slides @TheUnhandledException a beer, fresh out of the tap

cleans up the sudsy spills

The Unhandled Exception

HAHA, thanks @drachenstern

drachenstern

How 'ya doing Josh?

The Unhandled Exception

10:31 PM

@RebeccaChernoff and @drachenstern, I'm frustrated by my inability to get caught up, bugs getting me down and making me further behind on deadlines.

Just gotta stick with it and plug through though :-)

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern the tape? (;

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff >_> I have no idea what you're talking about <_<

The Unhandled Exception

@drachenstern How about you?

drachenstern

-_-

The Unhandled Exception

@drachenstern She must be drunk and seeing things =b

drachenstern

10:32 PM

@TheUnhandledException split between looking for slight bugs that I know exist vs shipping a 90% app... boss wants to ship, I want to negate bugs

The Unhandled Exception

She thinks this is English.SE chat ;-)

@drachenstern see what? ;-)

:396883 And that icon to the left of the post must be an icon of a beer tap, right? ;-)

drachenstern

@TheUnhandledException it IS!

The Unhandled Exception

LOL

drachenstern

So between my desire to ship bug-free code and the boss's desire to ship, I'ld say otherwise I'm ok.

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern >_<

drachenstern

10:36 PM

@RebeccaChernoff :D

> Congrats, you've gained the privilege – cast close and reopen votes learn more

The Unhandled Exception

So much for "fixed font". Pffft

Michael Mrozek

drachenstern, Shreveport, LA

3k 3 20

c# asp.net javascript jquery .net sql php

Aww, it rounds. (You were temporarily at 2999, because I'm mean)

The Unhandled Exception

@drachenstern Congrats

@MichaelMrozek LOL

Michael Mrozek

The Unhandled Exception

@MichaelMrozek I've been working hard to vote / ask / answer on Unix. Kinda failing on the last one

Michael Mrozek

10:39 PM

@TheUnhandledException I've noticed; your questions are good too

The Unhandled Exception

Thanks

Project for this weekend is a webcam security system to warn me when I'm out if crazy woman is peering in my windows / hiring locksmiths /etc

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern time to go downvote!

The Unhandled Exception

@RebeccaChernoff oy

Hm, looks like Meta will be giving me a shiny gold badge for my birthday! That's exciting, and reason enough to make it through this week!

Michael Mrozek

Fanatic?

Meta is by far my record for consecutive days, which is kind of sad I suppose

The Unhandled Exception

@MichaelMrozek Yup

And actually the badge formerly known as Woot on Unix

woah

3

OK. This day just got a lot better

My company just got an inquiry fro a potential very major customer

I like good news :-)

Tim Stone

10:53 PM

In part because I showed up to buy the drinks, no doubt.

The Unhandled Exception

Ah ha! That's exactly why @Tim!

How are you?

Tim Stone

Hahah, but no, that's good news! ;)

The Unhandled Exception

You must bring good luck ;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

Nice.

radp

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/11192/revisions grumble.

I want edit voting. :|

3

Tim Stone

10:56 PM

Hey, I can go along with that, sure :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Seems like a CW question.

and that title sucks.

Action Points in what?

radp

die2nite, as the tag says.

The Unhandled Exception

@radp Since I couldn't upvote your edit I upvoted this instead:

Rebecca Chernoff

Tags aren't always listed. Put information you need in the title.

The Unhandled Exception

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A: 2D Roguelike for PC / Mac?

Dungeon Crawl has a decent tileset. Tiles even change by what you wear and wield even, and large enough monsters can "overflow" from a tile and be displayed in all their power. Here's a screenshot from the 0.7 RC: Crawl has a reputation for being very ergonomic (from not asking a direction wh...