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Kyle Brandt

10:00 PM

Hmmm... I think I missed something, must have been a netsplit

radius

Jeff commment on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57017/…

Kyle Brandt

;-)

radius

lol

Warner

"if you don't understand the appeal (and I was being sarcastic when I said they were 100% identical), this isn't for you. I want IRC to die in a fire. It's an abortion, an abomination. Just MHO of course :) "

Kyle Brandt

@Warner: Was just messing with you :-)

Warner

10:01 PM

Oh, must have been lost in text.

Jeff Atwood

IRC is like 4chan, really, but less useful.

Warner

shrug.

Kyle Brandt

Don't much of the technical details, but I think I just longed for a next generation of IRC

Warner

You seem set in your opinion, Jeff, so there's no sense in debating. I essentially hold the opposite opinion.

Kyle Brandt

Without all the netsplits

radius

10:02 PM

Use another network

Kyle Brandt

I love the ability to edit posts

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Warner

haha, radius.

Zoredache

@Jeff, 95% of the time I would agree, but there are rare channels where you can occasionally get useful help. Getting useful help frequently seems like more of the exception then the rule though.

Kyle Brandt

radius: I thought freenode was one of the good ones?

IRC offers lots of free help as long as you don't mind them calling you names while they help you :-)

Warner

10:03 PM

I like editing in the context of SF but in the context of a forum or other communication mediums, it allows people to be sloppy and unaccountable.

radius

I'm on Undernet and I rarely see netsplit

Warner

Which are two things I love about IRC and mailing lists.

You are ultimately accountable for what you say, period. Once it's sent, it's out. There's no editing, there's no take backs.

Zoredache

Freenode is a relatively good network, but try and ask a complex question or high-level question in #ubuntu, or #debian... I just doesn't work

Kyle Brandt

s/There's/There is

Warner

I actually like EFnet's #linux but it also examples behavior people take exception to.

Being told to RTFM can be plenty healthy.

Kyle Brandt

10:05 PM

@Warner: Quick, popquiz, what is on line 2,323 of the ps manpage ?

Warner

A joke?

radius

From my point of view the problem with IRC is that on a too big channel, there is some chat multiplexing

Kyle Brandt

Yes, my sense of humor is just that bad I guess...

radius

sometime hard to follow

Warner

I agree, radius. I don't spend much time in places like that.

Zoredache

10:06 PM

@radius, and if you have too small of a channel you wait around for hours and nobody answers your question since they are all idle...

Warner

It eats up too much time.

But I will visit there to talk to some smart people with a specific goal sometimes.

radius

@Zoredache it depends, #perl on Undernet is quite good

Warner

Regardless, I think SF serves that purpose much better.

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radius

low noise, great people, asking quite quickly

Warner

10:08 PM

I've been raving about SF since I found it. I've not found such a medium where there's a concentration of smart professionals who know their stuff, especially about Open Source. It's great, I hope it can stand the test of time.

radius

but, yes, you will get a faster answer on SO

Warner

I use IRC for group communication regularly, however.

radius

it's just different, you can't exchange in the same way on SO and on IRC

Warner

Indeed.

Same as how we couldn't have this dialog on the SE sites..

radius

yep

Kyle Brandt

10:09 PM

I did like it when I got perl questions answered by Randall Schwartz :-)

#perl on freenode is pretty amazing

Warner

I met him at YAPC a couple weeks ago.

Him, Larry Wall, Damien, Matt Trout...

That's sweet, Kyle.

Jeff Atwood

this isn't meant as a replacement for IRC, it's something a bit different. That's why I don't get all the "hey mannnn just use IRC and stop reinventing the wheel!" talk

I mean, we could use PHPBB and stop "reinventing the wheel" of discussion, too.. :)

Zypher

@Jeff Oh god no not PHPBB

Warner

I liked your point regarding accessibility, as that was a legitimate point. Especially with the introduction of area51.

Jeff Atwood

so for those who like IRC, good on you. I do not. But I'm not trying to kill it, either -- this is an alternative

Warner

10:11 PM

I always liked phorum, haha.

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radius

anyway, even before SO, SF, .. IRC was not my first place to ask question... most of the time google do the job

Warner

I'm out for the night. Good talking, people.

radius

I rather prefer to use IRC to exchange idea

Warner

@radius, IRC == desperation for help. ;) I agree with you on that, exchanging ideas.

radius

10:13 PM

good night Warner

Warner

/clear

=)

Zoredache

I wonder if there are any plans to build chat as a separate product that can be used for a private organization? Right now we are using a Google wave as a multi-media chat between our team, but this seems to work better...

Jeff Atwood

@zoredache that's unlikely, we aren't pursuing anything but public internet stuff

corporate work is a very different beast entirely

Zoredache

@Jeff, I didn't really think you would. I can always dream I guess. I am really liking the interface so far. It will be interesting to see how it works when it goes live and more people start using it.

radius

10:32 PM

@Jeff this is off topic but I read somewhere that meta.so was for engine and meta.x.se was for site related meta. Why there is no meta.sf and meta.su ? I found this quite not homogeneous. For me meta.so should be related to SO only and the engine meta should be meta.se

Zoredache

@radius, he mentioned yesterday that there will be a meta.(sf|su) soon.

radius

ok nice, is there anything about moving meta.so also ?

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radius

or in fact moving the engine meta

and why this is not chat.se ?

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Jeff Atwood

10:42 PM

@radius chat.se is coming

Zypher

Alright guys time to head home from my cell^h^h^h^h work ... see youse guys later

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