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M.A.R.

12:28 AM

@RocketNikita if everyone chose the first four options, they would all show as 100%. Hope it's clear now

If you're referring to how it looks, it's probably incompatible with your zoom level + browser settings

Starship - On Strike

hello everyone, is there any way to know how much our strike has taken money from stack exhnage

thank god @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog

PM 2Ring

@Starship-OnStrike Not really. The strike action has diverted some SE employees to jobs that mods normally do, like handling flags. That has an indirect cost because it delays the tasks that those employees would've been doing instead of handling flags.

The strike has caused some low quality posts to accumulate on the network. In theory, that reduces the value of the networks content, but it's hard to put a dollar value on it, and most of that stuff will get cleaned up after the strike finishes.

The network earns advertising money, which is calculated from page visits. Now maybe fewer people are visiting to ask & answer questions because of the strike, but I'd be surprised if that was significant. I guess striking mods & curators may be viewing fewer pages, but their numbers are tiny compared to the general number of visitors.

OTOH, people have been visiting the site because of the news interest of the strike: just look at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389811/… which has 82k views. So it's possible that the strike is actually making money for SE. ;)

Of course, the real cost is the long-term effect on the general perception of the SE brand. Companies buy Teams because Stack Overflow has a good reputation. OTOH, events over the last 5 years or so have reduced that reputation for many developers, especially those who are regular SO users.

In 2018, the majority of regular SO contributors were enthusiastic about recommending SO / SE to their colleagues & friends. These days, few people have that enthusiasm, and some are even embarrassed to mention that they are regulars on SO.

In a recent MSE comment, a programming teacher mentioned that they used to recommend SO to their students, and gave lessons on how to use it properly. These days, they wouldn't dream of sending their students to SO.

@SPArcheon I've linked that Wolfram article a few times on MSO & MSE.

@SPArcheon Similarly: If it happens one time, it could be an accident. If it happens twice, it could be due to incompetence. But if it happens three times, it's enemy action.

M.A.R.

3:27 AM

@Starship-OnStrike you're really out for some blood and carnage huh

Journeyman Geek

4:16 AM

@Starship-OnStrike Unless people started cancelling ad spending and teams subs? Probably none

theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759348/…

Also the point isn't to hurt SO, its to try to nudge them in a 'better' direction in general

Andreas detests censorship

6:07 AM

@Starship-OnStrike I suggest thanking the strikers instead.

M.A.R.

6:46 AM

I will settle for chocolate ice cream with extra chocolate

Journeyman Geek

MY BROTHER IN CHOCOLATE! HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD WORD OF... TRIPLE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM?

M.A.R.

Someone tell him chocolate isn't good for him and is a human-only thing

Journeyman Geek

seems speciesist

M.A.R.

You can use "contact us" tries to hide snort or go get roas . . . Go and present your case on meta snort snigger and let the community decide

laughs at screen hi-rep-user-ly

goes to the front page to see crap and calm down

Journeyman Geek

(seriously though, the only reason you wouldn't get triple chocolate ice cream was... the same company has a brilliant peanut flavoured ice cream)

doggo got white rose (yeah, fannnncy ice cream :D)

M.A.R.

6:56 AM

Here's an ice cream flavor that tastes better than when it is in any other product: Melon.

In jams, in ice cream, in everything

Flowers always cloy

I mean it's essentially honey with badly processed essential oils

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. isn't there a famous melon growing region in your area that basically has giant guano towers?

M.A.R.

And the sort of person that likes honey flavor I tend to avoid lest I catch diabetes

@JourneymanGeek I haven't slept the whole night and I don't even recognize my brother

Journeyman Geek

Do you even have a brother?

M.A.R.

Hmm

Interesting question

I probably do but this is from long-term memory only

While I'm happy that you've decided to re-enable the data dump, your ongoing dishonesty and gaslighting of the community you purport to preside over continues to be galling. Looking only at official statements, your CTO, Jody Bailey, posted an answer stating unambiguously that "Stack Overflow senior leadership…decided to stop the dump". Merits of that decision aside, it directly conflicts with your statement here that "Our intention was never to stop posting the data dump". Maybe you meant to add more qualifiers to that statement to avoid it being a lie? — Cody Gray - on strike 8 hours ago

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Blegh. Selective quoting.

M.A.R.

7:03 AM

Also probably saying some interesting things, if I remembered who this guy was or what this whole thing was about

Tinkeringbell

"While working on this strategy, we decided to stop the dump until we could put guardrails in place."

Journeyman Geek

Oh yeah

M.A.R.

All I'm concerned with right now is what 8SPT does to a rat's cardiovascular system. Which is nothing.

After the exam, I'll be concerned with sleeping

And after that the headache

And after that, I'll try to figure out who these people are and why they're dumping data

Journeyman Geek

well or not

M.A.R.

She's probably a nice woman. Has one of those Latin names

SPArcheon

7:52 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Yes, and this smells like a fake concession thousand miles away.

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