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M.A.R.

00:28

@RocketNikita if everyone chose the first four options, they would all show as 100%. Hope it's clear now

If you're referring to how it looks, it's probably incompatible with your zoom level + browser settings

Starship - On Strike

hello everyone, is there any way to know how much our strike has taken money from stack exhnage

thank god @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog

PM 2Ring

@Starship-OnStrike Not really. The strike action has diverted some SE employees to jobs that mods normally do, like handling flags. That has an indirect cost because it delays the tasks that those employees would've been doing instead of handling flags.

The strike has caused some low quality posts to accumulate on the network. In theory, that reduces the value of the networks content, but it's hard to put a dollar value on it, and most of that stuff will get cleaned up after the strike finishes.

The network earns advertising money, which is calculated from page visits. Now maybe fewer people are visiting to ask & answer questions because of the strike, but I'd be surprised if that was significant. I guess striking mods & curators may be viewing fewer pages, but their numbers are tiny compared to the general number of visitors.

OTOH, people have been visiting the site because of the news interest of the strike: just look at meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389811/… which has 82k views. So it's possible that the strike is actually making money for SE. ;)

Of course, the real cost is the long-term effect on the general perception of the SE brand. Companies buy Teams because Stack Overflow has a good reputation. OTOH, events over the last 5 years or so have reduced that reputation for many developers, especially those who are regular SO users.

In 2018, the majority of regular SO contributors were enthusiastic about recommending SO / SE to their colleagues & friends. These days, few people have that enthusiasm, and some are even embarrassed to mention that they are regulars on SO.

In a recent MSE comment, a programming teacher mentioned that they used to recommend SO to their students, and gave lessons on how to use it properly. These days, they wouldn't dream of sending their students to SO.

@SPArcheon I've linked that Wolfram article a few times on MSO & MSE.

@SPArcheon Similarly: If it happens one time, it could be an accident. If it happens twice, it could be due to incompetence. But if it happens three times, it's enemy action.

M.A.R.

03:27

@Starship-OnStrike you're really out for some blood and carnage huh

Journeyman Geek

04:16

@Starship-OnStrike Unless people started cancelling ad spending and teams subs? Probably none

theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759348/…

Also the point isn't to hurt SO, its to try to nudge them in a 'better' direction in general

Andreas detests censorship

06:07

@Starship-OnStrike I suggest thanking the strikers instead.

M.A.R.

06:46

I will settle for chocolate ice cream with extra chocolate

Journeyman Geek

MY BROTHER IN CHOCOLATE! HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD WORD OF... TRIPLE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM?

M.A.R.

Someone tell him chocolate isn't good for him and is a human-only thing

Journeyman Geek

seems speciesist

M.A.R.

You can use "contact us" tries to hide snort or go get roas . . . Go and present your case on meta snort snigger and let the community decide

laughs at screen hi-rep-user-ly

goes to the front page to see crap and calm down

Journeyman Geek

(seriously though, the only reason you wouldn't get triple chocolate ice cream was... the same company has a brilliant peanut flavoured ice cream)

doggo got white rose (yeah, fannnncy ice cream :D)

M.A.R.

06:56

Here's an ice cream flavor that tastes better than when it is in any other product: Melon.

In jams, in ice cream, in everything

Flowers always cloy

I mean it's essentially honey with badly processed essential oils

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. isn't there a famous melon growing region in your area that basically has giant guano towers?

M.A.R.

And the sort of person that likes honey flavor I tend to avoid lest I catch diabetes

@JourneymanGeek I haven't slept the whole night and I don't even recognize my brother

Journeyman Geek

Do you even have a brother?

M.A.R.

Hmm

Interesting question

I probably do but this is from long-term memory only

While I'm happy that you've decided to re-enable the data dump, your ongoing dishonesty and gaslighting of the community you purport to preside over continues to be galling. Looking only at official statements, your CTO, Jody Bailey, posted an answer stating unambiguously that "Stack Overflow senior leadership…decided to stop the dump". Merits of that decision aside, it directly conflicts with your statement here that "Our intention was never to stop posting the data dump". Maybe you meant to add more qualifiers to that statement to avoid it being a lie? — Cody Gray - on strike 8 hours ago

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Blegh. Selective quoting.

M.A.R.

07:03

Also probably saying some interesting things, if I remembered who this guy was or what this whole thing was about

Tinkeringbell

"While working on this strategy, we decided to stop the dump until we could put guardrails in place."

Journeyman Geek

Oh yeah

M.A.R.

All I'm concerned with right now is what 8SPT does to a rat's cardiovascular system. Which is nothing.

After the exam, I'll be concerned with sleeping

And after that the headache

And after that, I'll try to figure out who these people are and why they're dumping data

Journeyman Geek

well or not

M.A.R.

She's probably a nice woman. Has one of those Latin names

SPArcheon

07:52

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Yes, and this smells like a fake concession thousand miles away.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@BigJoe that's not giving any rep. ;)

@RocketNikita eww survey!

@AndreasdetestsAIhype I suggest stroking the strikers instead.

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack what about striking the strokers?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. digestive issue, it's terrible.

The data cause a mess inside one's belly.

@M.A.R. who is?

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack please elaborate

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. but @SPA will get mad

@OlegValteriswithUkraine depends what they stroke! If wrongly done, they deserve striking. :D

M.A.R.

08:23

This convo is making me stroke-stricken

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

08:38

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack xD In the interest of public decency, I'll drop the rest of the combinations

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

08:54

combining all the combinations

balpha

09:04

please refer to it as "actioning the actioners" kthx

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Action is out of fashion

Journeyman Geek

fashion the fashionable actionably!

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I am really tempted to reply "I'm on strike on scolding users too, go ahead"

Would it annoy just me or everyone in the room?

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon If that includes posting fractur, I support you going on indefinate strike

@SPArcheon Yes

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@balpha ah, I see you are a fan of generic parameters!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

09:16

@SPArcheon you the most. ;)

balpha

@OlegValteriswithUkraine Generic parameters are great! And an Action returns void, which is even better, because generic responses aren't my thing, even though they're also in fashion

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

09:34

How can you return void? Is it like speaking without words? ;)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek FYI the video link you posted is blocked in the USA

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@balpha you could delegate that to someone else! I'll see myself out

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog ... sigh

Its Russel Crowe going ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? from gladiator

balpha

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack it's like when the abyss screams back at you

Journeyman Geek

And honestly, strike or no strike, sometimes people take a little too much 'joy' in drama

Tinkeringbell

09:41

Yep. @Starship-OnStrike Stay constructive. No need for lists of drama. Or comments asking why you get downvoted (those are always no longer needed and deleted on sight)

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek That said, I am seriously thinking of doing what I suggested him to do if he does not himself.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Starship-OnStrike Speaking of your now-deleted question, an easy way to find answers to it would be to go to the list of questions, sort by votes, and go to the last page.

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon no real benefit honestly

Unless you're focused on ... well drama really

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@balpha bleak.

Tinkeringbell

meta.stackexchange.com/a/389812/369802 < that's the post for the 'current' drama. Previous drama's also had such a post. No need for a post of posts about posts, that's too meta.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

09:42

@JourneymanGeek who? what? where? (aka WWW ;))

Journeyman Geek

Here

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

I see only action, fashion, and above all balpha sitting on his throne. :P

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek Having a single list of every preceding incident? I see a lot of value, especially since as I already stated in my answer on meta I think that the company follows the same exact formula (or "Canovaccio" if you prefer) every single time. I am not interested in ranking, I am indeed interested in "historical preservation"

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Also, the "top 5" controversies is inherently subjective. There were dozens of controversies, ranging from minor to major in terms of causes and effects, and where one is on the scale would be a subjective determination.

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon I think someone maintains a timeline

Tinkeringbell

09:45

Yes but don't go telling someone that if they come up with some kind of 'objective' measure for 'most controversial' the question can stay, because it won't.

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek Any idea about Who&Where?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Why are you watching @balpha on the toilet?

@SPArcheon I'm running on about 3 hours sleep

MOMENT!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek looking for hidden gems.

Tinkeringbell

3 mins ago, by Tinkeringbell

https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/389812/369802 < that's the post for the 'current' drama. Previous drama's also had such a post. No need for a post of posts about posts, that's too meta.

(I did edit it because I saw the link was wrong. apologies for that)

Journeyman Geek

se-timeline.glitch.me up till 2021

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack there are no Gems, only cowpat landmines

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

09:47

@JourneymanGeek who wrote it?

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek Rainbow. WordArt. Title!?

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek stops two years ago. Also not what I had in mind.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Well yeah it's not meant for live events, just historical archive.

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Samuel Liew, and it's open-sourced

balpha

I'm a little upset that my resignation wasn't deemed noteworthy enough to include. But only a little 😄

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

09:51

lol

Meta Andrew T.

Feel... free, I guess? github.com/samliew/se-timeline

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek I am thinking about this but for every event. And it should be easy since I think that event specific answers already exist, all missing is something aggregating them.

Journeyman Geek

@balpha Well you did come back :D

balpha

true

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek That was also not noteworthy enough to include :P

M.A.R.

10:23

@balpha sorry, that's just my belly

@Tinkeringbell good ol' NLN. Though if I see that abbreviation today I'd assume it stands for "New Language Noodles" or something

Tinkeringbell

Neural Language Network? :P

M.A.R.

Whoops, bad net, sorry

Elements in Space

@M.A.R. Is that related to alphabet soup?

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. no worries

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

10:41

@M.A.R. you ate too much data for lunch.

Max should be 25mb.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

11:02

Anyone knows Nicolas well enough to suggest him to sign the letter?

!!/coffee m0sa

hmm what to do...

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack brews a cup of espresso for @m0sa

becoming Smokey

Nicolas Chabanovsky

11:53

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack 👋!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@NicolasChabanovsky oh hi!! :D

Didn't even think checking here lol

So you know the open letter I guess.

19 former mod/staff already there, you can be the 20th.... :D

Nicolas Chabanovsky

It is a pleasure to be 20th, done! =)

5

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@NicolasChabanovsky awesome! @mousetail can you please give Nicolas his well deserved ◊? ;)

(making a shortcut here, but can't see any reason to go the long way)

@Nicolas so what's up? What have you been up to recently?

@Peter came from RU.SO but think he's pretty new, and dunno who else is active there and also here.

Nicolas Chabanovsky

12:09

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Nothing! Just enjoy the life of an unemployed adult :) Last year I had to move out of Russia because of the war. I landed in Serbia but did not have time to start working on my language skills. So now I have time! I spent last month learning basic grammar of the Serbian language. :)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Help! I'm about to write a new VBS script... need someone to stop me....

@NicolasChabanovsky huh, nice! Lucky that you could escape, heard many were recruited by force to the army.

Hope you'll find a job soon. :)

Also, your profile still showing Saint Petersburg. @Nico

Nicolas Chabanovsky

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Thanks! Yes, but I am in Novi Sad, Serbia. I need to update it :)

Done =)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Nice!

oh.... stackexchange.com/users/272910/nicolas-chabanovsky lol

So few remember to update it. ;)

(myself included!)

Nicolas Chabanovsky

Thank you! Done there as well!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

looking for other outdated places

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

12:23

@NicolasChabanovsky yay! And cheers from those of us still in Petersburg :)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@OlegValteriswithUkraine still Saint? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack unless they decide to rename it again

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack still cursed if you ask me :)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@OlegValteriswithUkraine so move away as well... if you can...

Here he comes...

Peter Kolosov

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I know him. He are a former ru.SO CM and co-founder ;)

oh @Nicolas Hi there! I'm also here ;D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

12:29

oh my just thought of possible bug. Since there's no year in the signer join date, next year when people will join, there will be no way to know which year they joined. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I hope the strike dosen't last till next year

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@PeterKolosov yes!

@JourneymanGeek it might as well. D:

Nicolas Chabanovsky

@PeterKolosov 👋!

Peter Kolosov

I'm most active here. Glad to see you here, dear @Nicolas! ;)

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack can't, at least for the immediate future. Life goes more or less as usual around here, though, so it's not too bad

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

12:36

@PeterKolosov yeah, I confirm. :D

@OlegValteriswithUkraine figures, media always blowing things way out of proportion. Glad to hear!

Peter Kolosov

Most active with @rene's bots. :D

And the @ProgramFOX also

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yeah, certainly nothing resembling a total collapse. It's just gradually getting worse day by day :)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@OlegValteriswithUkraine not really collapse, but media here painted it in such a way you think all adults in Russia were pushed by force into army. :D

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack really? Well, that's a bit far from the truth, it's more of a "how unlucky you are" situation (age, category of fitness to serve, being dumb enough to show up if you get summons for the military).

Cody Gray - on strike

12:52

Uh... doesn't not showing up entail consequences?

Or is the whole country's infrastructure just that broken that nobody can do anything?

Journeyman Geek

@CodyGray-onstrike its a big country

and supposedly (citation needed) its worse in the smaller outlying areas than the big cities, and who hates you

Cody Gray - on strike

Even big countries can have effective government apparatuses.

Especially police states... That are at war...

Journeyman Geek

I'm getting my news off twitter so what Oleg or Nicolas or someone else in russia is likely a more reliable source :D

Cody Gray - on strike

Yeah, probably! :-)

Tinkeringbell

@CodyGray-onstrike This one started a war... I don't think it is that effective :P

Cody Gray - on strike

12:55

Depending on your aims, wars can be quite effective.

Tinkeringbell

If you have ineffective aims, sure :P

Journeyman Geek

@CodyGray-onstrike in this case... not very effective

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@CodyGray-onstrike yes, it does, but better than being dead, you know ^^". There was a loophole in the system that until you personally received summons, you aren't considered avoiding service. The recently passed a law, though, that it will no longer be required: being sent one to your e-gov account will count as receiving it.

Cody Gray - on strike

So you've immediately cancelled your e-gov account, or at least sent yourself a bunch of emails with huge attachments so the mailbox will be full and the server will bounce everything back, right?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@OlegValteriswithUkraine heh, that's more likely indeed.

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

12:59

Failing to show up after that in three weeks will have even more severe consequences than now: one won't be able to leave the country; can' inherit, sell, or buy property (!), get loans, or become an enterpreneur.

@CodyGray-onstrike xD They also forbade deleting the account (by request only) a while ago. I am personally not that concerned, though - fit for military reserve only.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@OlegValteriswithUkraine here the army just send a Military Policeman to hunt down the deserter, and he's sent to couple of weeks in jail, then set free with no further consequences whatsoever.

Many choose this path, several weeks in prison instead of three years army service. lol

Cody Gray - on strike

Yeah, that seems like something one would have to seriously consider.

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack well, welcome to my country where since 2023 your basic civil rights can be suspended over not wanting to die :) Or kill

Cody Gray - on strike

@OlegValteriswithUkraine But how long until they're down to needing the reservists?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@OlegValteriswithUkraine pity!

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

13:03

@CodyGray-onstrike who knows

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@CodyGray-onstrike probably only when bigger countries will join and Russia will be the one being attacked.... aka WW3. :(

Cody Gray - on strike

Bigger countries than Russia, eh?

I guess we're safe from WWIII after all.

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

most likely it's going to be a bloody drawn out conflict going for several more years.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack as things are going... ehhh, I'm doubtful

@OlegValteriswithUkraine Its hard to tell from outside, and one can never predict the future. Someone might drop dead and their replacement might decide the war isn't worth it and blame his predecessor for example

It might end soon, it might drag on

Oleg Valter is with Ukraine

@JourneymanGeek heh, or be even worse, we have plenty of candidates :) hopefully it won't last, but short of a black swan event happening, this is going to drag on for a quite a while

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

13:10

@CodyGray-onstrike no lol, than Ukraine. :)

@OlegValteriswithUkraine well we have such conflict here for many years.... :/

SPArcheon

13:35

and the dupe post the company made is now deleted, along all the comments - including Jeff ones - posted on it.

Tinkeringbell

It is merged, so that stuff should be on the other question?

Wasn't me, I don't know enough about how merging works.

SPArcheon

oh, nope disregard this, it is just a merge issue. Comments are moved to chat.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

heh, Catija cleaned the mess. Well, at least that's a decent attempt.

@SPArcheon and many comments are still there under the answer so not sure which they moved.

@Tinkeringbell doubt anyone knows, it's very very rare thing...

Tinkeringbell

But I know @CodyGray-onstrike asked for it, so he might be happy now :)

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack @Catija probably can answer but I think they just deleted one of the two posts and moved every comment on the deleted answer to chat for retention, then posted a link on the remaining answer

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

13:41

@SPArcheon they didn't delete any post, as far as I can see. The answer was just moved to be under different question.

Or not? Didn't notice two answers.

oh, disregard you're right, saw it in timeline now.

Such a big mess... lol

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon good guess

Hey all - we understand the confusion about how this answer was conveyed. I've worked with Philippe to identify ways we can address your feedback and, as such, I've merged the two questions and moved the comments from one to the other so that they're all in one place. Additionally, I've clarified the statement so that it conveys what we intended as we understand that this was being interpreted as a different story from what Jody shared previously. Apologies for any confusion. — Catija ♦ 2 mins ago

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

For those too lazy to view timeline themselves ^

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Short explanation: Philippe posted the same answer on two posts: the original one and the "FAQ" style announcement he made and people commented separately on both. Now the two have been merged and Catja had to delete one of the two resulting identical answers. Since she probably couldn't save the comment anyway else she moved them to chat and left a notice on the other non-deleted answer.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tinkeringbell well that's not the point, what's annoying most is the lack of any kind of real apology from those who did it, i.e. management.

SPArcheon

If ever reading this looks kinda off a mess, it is because it is. Not much Catja could do.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

13:47

@SPArcheon she did what she could, and I respect her for that, especially this one word in her comment, starting with "A".

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Meh. At this point, any kind of apology will be a '~~mom told me to~~ the community demanded I'd say sorry' anyways.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@SPArcheon yeah saw it, it's not really FAQ like, it's just official announcement, which is useful feature, but being abused recently to make each and any post from management be "announcement" while it's not. It's complete lack of understanding how this feature should work, part of the fact SE management is disconnected from the community and the sites they manage.

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I doubt there is a way to migrate a comment to another answer since I fear this is the only instance that would have been useful in the whole network history. So chat was the only option she had (and I truest that she would not just delete those)

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon the comments should have moved too I think

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I know how it works, and its scary :D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tinkeringbell nah, there are ways to apologize properly. Not that it will help, but still.

@SPArcheon indeed

SPArcheon

13:51

An announcement can be posted as the question so that Feedback(tm) can be posted as answers.
The "FAQS style" I am referring to is the one commonly used for the "how this works" post where it makes sense that the question is indeed a series of questions that link to answers. Because that is not for discussion.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Again, meh. A proper apology is unprompted, for which it is now too late.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek does it involve a steel chair and cold water?

Tinkeringbell

You can make it as fancy as you like, but it will never be able to be unprompted again.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Worse

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek oh no. Not the thing with the eyes.... D:

or... no.... uh..... tickling torture....

SPArcheon

13:52

And that is the point: the "FAQ style" does not involve discussion, so attempting to use that for an announcement betrays the fact that you are not accepting / wanting feedback.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@SPArcheon well, still better than posting it all only in the blog.

Catija

@SPArcheon turned one answer into a comment on the other and moved the comments along with it and then deleted the comment.

Journeyman Geek

See? SCARY :D

Merges are uncommon. + slightly off brand use of comment conversion

Catija

Oh. Yeah. I merged the questions first

Journeyman Geek

Also, if someone complains about the supe post going away... techically, can I hit them on the head with an iron ladle? :D

Tinkeringbell

13:59

Practically you're striking though.

Journeyman Geek

Technically hitting people over the head is striking. In a certain point of view

Tinkeringbell

Practically, striking when you're striking isn't right.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tinkeringbell it's even left.

Journeyman Geek

14:40

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Depends on where you strike. Sometimes its even wrong :D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek right can't be wrong.

Journeyman Geek

3 lefts make a right

Maybe the right wrongs can make a right, or maybe a left

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek nope, that would make a u-turn

oh wait

doing math

Journeyman Geek

Yes right

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

-1 + -1 = boom

I rightfully demand right to have rights.

Journeyman Geek

14:46

but do you FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO PARTY?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek only when @Spe is around.

Spevacus

p A r T y !

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

yay!!

oh wait the letters are drunk

PARTY - People Always Roam The Yard.

Kevin B

I Have a ButTon ThAt dOeS ThAt fOr mE

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Hello Tavern! How's it going?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

15:00

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard foggy

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Ah, it's very sunny over here

too sunny....

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

I mean in the Tavern and SE in general. ;)

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

ah

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Actually IRL here it's pretty clear. And even not so hot, only 28 celcius. :D

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

All the Stack Exchange stuff going on I see

28 celsius over here would basically feel like an oven lol

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

15:02

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard correct. But trying to smalltalk it away, at least here. ;)

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard well with the global warming, won't last for long... better buy AC while it's cheap... ;)

Here we got only one extreme heat wave so far this year, couple of weeks ago, three days with 40+ degrees, and most scientists claim it will get much worse.

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Oven weather!

:,)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Yeah, should boil eggs instead of using gas for that! :D

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

The weather in the UK is so annoyingly fickle, it could be super cold one week and a heatwave the next...

For a couple years we'd get snow in March

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard yeah, was in London last August, during one of those heat waves. :/

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

August is peak oven season

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

15:06

Most clothes we brought were never used lol

Luckily hotel had air conditioner in the rooms.

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Yeah, most houses here don't have AC and are designed to stay warm...

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Also, I didn't think it would be so hot, so brought only three shirts, so had to recycle.

(day on, day off with each shirt aka worn each for two days ;))

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

At least the weather will encourage me to drink more water

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard not to mention bus, train, etc. Real sauna. D:

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard hopefully!

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Also because of exams... exam halls get quite hot

Hydration is very much needed

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

15:18

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard halls? Not in the ordinary class rooms?

Also, you had time to keep drawing? And complete driving license?

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Nope we have the big sports hall set up with exam desks and everything

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Most stuff is on hold until after exams are over, but I'm still doing driving lessons and finding time to sketch a little

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard huh, nice. I think? ;)

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard good!

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

So glad this whole exam nonsense will be over in just a week :,D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

yay!

DavidPostill

15:36

28 outside 32 inside for me

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@DavidPostill good score!

Tinkeringbell

@DavidPostill 23 inside, 25 outside here :(

It sucks, I don't get how that much heat got in.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tinkeringbell a living human being is a mobile oven. :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yes. 100 watt an hour. The math still doesn't add up. Especially not since I'm ventilating once outside is cooler than inside, then the apartment should lose heat overall, which it doesn't.

For reference, a single tea light is also around 100 watt an hour and I light plenty of those in the winter, it never causes any noticeable temperature change... And that's also with doors/windows closed and mechanical ventilation off.

The math just doesn't add up

M.A.R.

15:59

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Sargeant Nicholas Angel?

Bloody 'ell

It's too hot to exist

Someone turn off the world until it cools off

Spevacus

What would happen if we turned off the sun for like... 10 seconds.

DavidPostill

@Spevacus Almost nothing - just like eclipses

Tinkeringbell

Turn it off for a week?

GcL

@Spevacus If you mean turn off it's light emission, 8 minutes later there would be a 10 second period where the Sun facing side of the Earth is was dark.

DavidPostill

> The planet's temperature would drop to about zero degrees Fahrenheit (minus 17.8 degrees Celsius) over the course of the week. That's certainly chilly, but it's not enough to freeze off the human race and other forms of life on the planet.

SPArcheon

16:12

This will be glorious.... but someone has to do this. Prepare, Tavern.

Your next t-shirt is coming....

Kevin B

but what of the crops

Tinkeringbell

16:25

@DavidPostill And if we turn it on again, how soon would it continue global warming? :P

M.A.R.

16:36

@SPArcheon raise eyebrow Rock-ly

M.A.R.

16:54

Maaaan, you open meta any time of the day and there's ripe drama for the picking. I'll have to lookout for diabetes dramaticus

Hey @Loong! How are you!

Such a long time

Loong

@M.A.R. I am fine. :-)

And you?

M.A.R.

@Loong I'm doing great, as evident by my insipid humor. How's everything these days? You know, besides the obvious Harlan county stuff

Loong

17:07

The sufficient work ensures that I don't get stupid thoughts.

We sorted out a small metal chip this week. It had almost 6 Sv/h under water. I found that a bit impressive.

Andreas detests AI hype

@DavidPostill Sounds exciting. Let’s try it.

SPArcheon

17:22

> HE COMES.

As the original version says....

> it is supposed to look like this and don't you dare to edit it.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@Tinkeringbell quantum. :D

@M.A.R. yeah, that's his real identity!

@Spevacus worthy question for.... umm... some SE site! :D

Question is, how you ignite the sun once it's off? Maybe bring another sun, then with cables?

I read a book where the people, in some very distant future, actually move stars from place to place as needed.

Kevin B

17:42

just sling a planet into it

we don't actually need mercury, do we?

SPArcheon

oh, look, three votes.

someone appreciated the post.

that's enough for me

Tinkeringbell

18:05

@Loong Isn't that dangerous?

What does the chip do, besides killing if you stare at it too long?

Loong

We did most steps under water; that helped a lot.

But still it was better to be quick.

Total collective dose of the work was only about 0,1 mSv. So it was a good job.

Tinkeringbell

Still sounds rather nerve-wracking to be honest XD

Loong

I am still not sure where that chip originally came from. I estimate the specific activity is too high for a piece of the core shroud.

So maybe it's a broken piece of the movable internals.

maybe from an instrumentation lance

Tinkeringbell

Oh well. If it was a critical thing, things would've melted down by now? XD

Loong

We don't have any nuclear fuel on site anymore.

Tinkeringbell

18:13

Ah, apologies:P in my defense, I don't think you've ever named the place so I couldn't know? ;)

Loong

And a small amount of fuel from a commercial power reactor cannot go critical.

@Tinkeringbell Let's say it's one of the big sisters of your Borssele plant. ;-)

Tinkeringbell

@Loong Hahaha okay, okay, I'm feeling dumb enough now :P how's the weather over there?

@Loong but Borssele can melt down or something, that's why my youngest brother got iodine pills from the government!

Loong

still 21 °C but cloudy now

@Tinkeringbell Sure. Borssele is still in operation; so it still has all the fuel.

So if you really manage to stop all the redundant and diverse means of cooling it, it would melt sooner or later.

Tinkeringbell

Then what was the "small amount" thing about? I thought you were referencing the fuel that wasn't on your site anymore with that..

@Loong Sounds lovely. Still almost 24 here :/ and no clouds

Loong

And furthermore Borssele has passive autocalatyic recombiners and a containment filtered venting system. So it couldn't do a Fukushima-like event even in case everything fails.

@Tinkeringbell You need a certain amount of fuel and moderator in a useful configuration, to start a chain reaction with that low enrichment. We don't have the fuel for that anymore in our plant. Borssele still has it.

But anyway, for a core melt accident, the core doesn't have to be critical.

Tinkeringbell

18:24

That all sounds somewhat reassuring, except for that last bit XD

Loong

I would love to explain how the all the layers of safety systems work, but I guess chat is the wrong place for that. ;-)

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha

I bet they all work, that's good enough for me ;)

Loong

:-)

M.A.R.

18:53

@Loong Sufficient work is always good

@Loong Even optimistic cores have meltdowns

@Loong on ELU chat I sometimes start multi-message mini-lectures and always feel bad afterwards. Though I hope they're not just feigning interest

Loong

19:10

Yes, I see what you mean.

Tinkeringbell

19:21

@M.A.R. Oh, wasn't feigning the interest at all, but I'm severely doubting my own ability to understand a full explanation:P

(just in case that wasn't clear above XD)

Loong

Oh, I didn't doubt it.

Tinkeringbell

19:49

Hahaha thanks XD

starball

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@SPArcheon how long did it take you to parody this? (+1)

Feeds

22:58

Oh no, I haven't checked in with Yvonne in YEARS.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

23:42

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