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01:04

Sorry, in SI units that's "there's a big football in there."

caird coinheringaahing

01:38

!!/coffee ThomasWard

SmokeDetector

@cairdcoinheringaahing brews a cup of Affogato for @ThomasWard

Meta Andrew T.

02:00

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I just woke up in the morning and spectacularly misinterpreted the title by '"Why I go," by Rosie' ....

Journeyman Geek

02:59

@MetaAndrewT. ._.

I think that would have been slightly more depressing...

Funny thing is I consider people using their legal names more confusing than people using handles

Meta Andrew T.

03:45

@JourneymanGeek well, supplemented with Sonic's following commentary, my sleepy mind thought for the worst ._.

ymb1

in a question like this, is it acceptable to post an answer that asks questions?

well I went ahead anyway :D

actually never mind me, they were brain fart questions, time to take a break I suppose :)

nope nope, hold on: do deleted answers now come ahead of negative scored answers?

sorting by votes and refreshed

this will be a mess for 10k+ users

Meta Andrew T.

I guess if the answer is yours only?

Or some userscript magic

ymb1

04:02

highly doubt it, first time I see it and I've deleted plenty before[1]; no magic

[1] which means I can check, 1 moment

Kevin B

hmm

ymb1

works fine on Aviation

my deleted (score 31) is below a visible -1

something unique to MSE, something being rolled out?

Meta Andrew T.

I don't think they're rolling out anything related to sorting answer, even unpinning acceoted answer is not (yet) activated on MSE.

ymb1

I see. Any 10k user here on MSE can check? deleted post: meta.stackexchange.com/a/369594/392799

screenshots don't lie after all, unless I really need that break

Kevin B

what sort do you have

ymb1

04:10

votes and refreshed

Kevin B

pretty sure it's always just followed the sort order

regardless of delete or not, delete just tends to drop to the bottom due to no activity, no votes, etc

ymb1

Aviation example coming up:

sorry was too high (aspect ratio), will retake

Kevin B

yeah, must be related

ymb1

Deleted posts from experience are always after the lowest-score visible answer when sorting by votes, that's why I noticed it right away

Kevin B

well, meta se doesn't have it enabled

or... didn't hours ago

ymb1

04:15

related to what sorry?

asked:

0

Q: Do deleted answers sort by score among visible answers here on MSE?

Above: sorting by votes (link for the 10k users) Do deleted answers sort by score among visible answers here on MSE? Or is it something being rolled out? A bug? It's never been like that on Aviation for example (example).

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. Well that some people are jerks and don't respect personal boundaries... is kinda sad in itself

Journeyman Geek

04:40

Also on that note, I've always considered referring to people by their handles, online or IRL to be unremarkable and part of geek/internet culture

rene

04:56

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Meta Andrew T.

← Chimney puffed out 38kg of smoke

JcbJoe

05:36

So I just saw a post meta.stackexchange.com/q/368973/1059647 and was wondering. I’m on mobile and the sticky bar is that where your avatar and the inbox and everything is that will be non sticky now? If so that’s stupid. That’s the reason why I liked responsive view cause I always had access to it

Mithical

No, other way around; there's now no way to disable the stickiness.

Luuklag

07:39

o/

Luuklag

07:52

@MetaAndrewT. That's an environmental hazard...

Tinkeringbell

08:07

@Luuklag Can we skip the years of arguing about that, and just install a filter? :P

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Mithical userscript?

If mobile, possible only for Firefox from what I've seen.

Shree

userscript on mobile is tricky thing. Not fully supported.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Shree even Firefox? Never tried myself, but saw posts saying it does work there.

Shree

Yep not fully supported. Works but ........

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell not when it is one similar to the ones used on cigarettes, they are an environmental hazard as well ;)

Tinkeringbell

08:21

@Luuklag I was thinking using a coffee filter.

Luuklag

As long as it doesn't make coffee at the same time we should be fine then :)

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

08:41

Smoked Coffee!

Shree

09:10

Looks like Smoked Vodka!

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 That just looks like it's been there for years without dusting XD

Journeyman Geek

Dusty coffee? Notes of musk and a hint of mouldy sock....

Tinkeringbell

I'm not sure what you put in your dust.... but mouldy sock?!

Go do the laundry...

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VLAZ

09:40

@JourneymanGeek Please don't add Musk to your coffee. Judging by myself, I'd say he wouldn't appreciate being dipped in coffee.

Journeyman Geek

._.

Well played

Tinkeringbell

@VLAZ But maybe the rest of the world would enjoy it...

Spevacus

12:08

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/22702072/takang-kilian

VLAZ

@Tinkeringbell I guess that might be true.

Philippe

12:41

:: waves ::

Mithical

\o

Philippe

Hey @Mithical

Mithical

how go your adventures making life difficult for your team

Philippe

Well, i'm doing my utmost, but they're just so damned competent....

I'm gonna have to work harder. Really put my shoulder into it.

Mithical

If you can't put your foot in your mouth you're just going to have to try harder, yep.

Philippe

12:43

I haven't been that flexible in decades.

Actually, this week is about trying to make life easier for my team. I'm spending my life doing interviews.

Seeing if we can't get them some help.

Mithical

Ooh, more interviews? T&S this time?

Philippe

yup

some really great candidates too.

Cesar outdid himself in finding these folks. It's going to be difficult to choose. (I always feel that way at the end of hiring though... I want to hire 'em all.)

Journeyman Geek

@Philippe Well, you didn't start with much :/

So... its needed

Philippe

You speak truth.

Journeyman Geek

@Philippe I think I've heard that line from a few past CMs

@Philippe Oh, I've been complaining about it to anyone who'd listen for a bit. It'll be a good day when I stop ;)

Philippe

12:54

Once i get these two hired, i think i've got maybe one more position that i'm asking for and then I need to sit quietly for a while, else Teresa may come after me with the sharp stick.

Mithical

Just tell her she's not allowed, employees can't be poked with sharp sticks. Says so in the job description.

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical apparently

not any more

Philippe

It turns out, its' not in allllll JDs.

Mine, for instance.

Journeyman Geek

@Philippe I think its one of the old SE traditions that got forgotten as time went on, and things got more corporate and srs.

Mithical

That does sound unfortunate.

Philippe

12:55

Oh, I view it as an opening to manage the way I want to. HR, unfortunately, disagrees.

Journeyman Geek

shrug

Philippe

No accounting for taste, but they seem to be solidly anti-sharp stick

Journeyman Geek

No pointy sticks. As a representative of the community I insist.

Philippe

...because I have a history of listening? <ouch>

Mithical

As a representative of the community as well, I must put forth the opinion that sharp sticks have a time and a place.

Philippe

12:57

Mith, this is why you're my favorite.

Mithical

:D

JNat

@Philippe good luck trying to poke me with a sharp stick from across the ocean, though ;P

Journeyman Geek

This talk of jobs reminds me I need to probably update folk on the one I hopefully am on the pipeline for :D

@JNat Pointy Poking Sticks, as a service...

its the next big thing

your doorbell rings, and poke

Ryan M

@JNat I dunno, those little quadcopter drones keep getting more advanced...

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek Can be replaced with a wet trout upon request.

JNat

12:58

seems like a liability for the company offering that service xD

Journeyman Geek

Well a wet noodle isn't a pointy stick either

Spevacus

A dry noodle, though...

Journeyman Geek

@JNat Nothing the right ~~bribes~~ insurance provider can't handle..

@Spevacus that's dangerously like a pointy stick.

Ryan M

Really hoping the front desk wouldn't let someone up to my door carrying a sharp stick...

Philippe

OH Jnat. Jnat, Jnat. So innocent. Thinking I wouldn't cross an ocean.

Journeyman Geek

13:02

@Philippe well, covid does make that a little difficult...

Philippe

Never underestimate the lengths I'll go through to poke someone with a sharp stick when merited.

10

OK, i'm off to go face a day of meetings. Thanks for everything you do!

Mithical

\o

Rob

13:27

@RyanM A modern drone can travel more than half the circumference of the Earth; carrying more than the weight of a pointy stick.

Ryan M

@Rob Wow, that is...quite a bit further than I would have expected.

Rob

and it's a little old, as are a dozen others with similar range; a few can travel for weeks / months / years.

Luuklag

14:10

@Mithical wet trouts, that's been a long time ago

Luuklag

14:21

@Rob Yeah I seen some pictures of aerial refueling of drone's

Mithical

15:02

...aaand that is 50k reputation on Meta.SE.

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Kevin B

🚽

Mithical

Thank you, Kevin.

Slate

@Mithical 'grats, all you need now is to be downvoted and to downvote once!

Mithical

It's okay, I'm not that obsessive. ;)

Ryan M

I'm sure Mith has said something objectionable on MSE...somewhere...sounds hard to find, though.

V2Blast

15:37

@Mithical I'm honored :P

Spevacus

15:47

Grats Mith :) Halfway to 100k!

Ollie

16:13

@KevinB that an editorial comment? ;)

@Mithical go, go! Your reward is to be poked with a sharp stick.

Jitendra Singh

16:25

Can anyone tell till when is a user who joined a meta site called a new contributor? I couldn't find any dup in MSE

Ryan M

@JitendraSingh IIRC it's a week from their first post - yep, documented here

shorter non-MSE version here

Jitendra Singh

Thanks @Ryan thanks those were the links I was finding

Meta Andrew T.

Just to be exact, 1 week after the first visible post. Users who deleted all their posts, then posting something will be shown as a "new contributor" again.

V2Blast

@magisch Y'all got watches? :O

Tinkeringbell

@V2Blast You don't? :P

Rob

16:39

Some got one: meta.stackexchange.com/q/318910/282094 some more than one: meta.stackexchange.com/q/324473/282094 - so that's why 😆.

Tinkeringbell

@Rob I never got my second one though :(

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

16:56

sdc tea 3tp

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 brews a cup of chamomile tea for @3tp

Ollie

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 tea for three true positives?

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical onwards to 100k

VLAZ

@Ollie it's 3 tea pots

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Ollie yeah poor souls can use some hot beverage.

Even spammers are human, you know. Well, sometimes. :D

Ollie

16:59

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 giving true positives a hot drink encourages them to come back and makes life harder for me.

On the bright side, it does pile up the "helpful flags" list.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

Oh wait it's all the same spammer. Meh, he'll have lots of tea.

Ollie

@SmokeDetector good, chamomile tea is a calming drink. Maybe they'll relax for a bit.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Ollie hehe, that said, today we got people who are COVID positive get back to Israel on airplanes after faking a false result. So annoying. Wish they'll spend years in jail. (Some got caught, but it's only several out of hundreds.)

@Ollie or switch to relaxing kind of spam? ;)

Ollie

And stuff like that is why this pandemic is going on for so long... ffs...

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Ollie totally true, yeah.

Ollie

17:02

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 relaxed spam is when they don't bother to try to avoid detection. That stuff is easier.

It's when they're hyper-focused that I start gnashing my teeth.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

@Ollie heh, do they really have ways to avoid being detected? The common trick of hiding link in punctuation is already handled by Smokey. :D

Rob

@Tinkeringbell There's a StackApp for that: stackapps.com/q/8176/58236

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

Currently hardest to detect is spammers who have spam only in their profile, then they post fake questions (or answers) so they get links to profile and the spam in it.

Ollie

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 certain people have used Unicode to mask rude words in the past; or they could just stick it in the profile...

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Eh. I don't have a smartwatch, just a fitness tracker.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

17:05

For some odd reason I don't like the concept of smartwatch. Maybe old fashioned, maybe just being weird. But it just doesn't tick for me.

:P

Ollie

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 Exactly.

Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3

I mean... watch should be a watch. It should tick, it should show the time. And that is it.

Order must be preserved, not chaos where a watch is also a computer, phone, and coffee machine.

:D

Oh, and a wallet.

Rob

Needs laser too.

Ollie

@ShadowWizardIsVaccinatedV3 with mechanical fangs for the pickpockets.

Rob

VINTAGE KGB SPY WRISTWATCH 2mm PINFIRE CAP GUN. AMAZING!!!

►

V2Blast

17:38

@Tinkeringbell I don't own any watches

Tinkeringbell

@V2Blast That's going on the 'fun facts' list. Why? :D

Kevin B

i mean

i own one watch, that i haven't touched in... 12 years maybe?

battery died before i ever wore it

Tinkeringbell

... XD That's bad

I have a few, but I mostly only wear the fitness tracker lately. The fancy watch needs a new battery, I think the SO one does too.

Kevin B

i find them redundant, and anything that is redundant that occasionally gets in the way just stops getting used

Tinkeringbell

Most people I see still wear one.

Kevin B

17:42

back in school I always had a pocket watch

i still do today, just now i call it a phone

Tinkeringbell

Ah, yeah... I prefer watches over peeling a phone from a pocket...

Kevin B

i'm also... effectively always near or at a computer... or a device with a clock (oven/coffeemaker/microwave/tv,) or in a vehicle (all modern ones have clocks,) it's... more of an accessory now days

guess in a sense it's always been an accessory

Tinkeringbell

It's true that I mostly look at the time on a computer too... see if the workday has finally ended :P

The fitness tracker is nice though, if you wake up in the middle of the night, it's much less bright than looking at the phone.

Mithical

@Ollie Oh, no.

V2Blast

18:27

@Tinkeringbell I just use the clock on my phone

or my computer

Journeyman Geek

18:46

Last I had a smartwatch I was using it for notifications and step counting....

Thinking of another one but undecided on what to get

JcbJoe

Hello

@JourneymanGeek I noticed in an answer yesterday you said you use SE on mobile heavily. what browser do you use and do you use it portrait or landscape to browse the site

Tinkeringbell

I must be old-fashioned... but it's easier to glance at a watch than look up the time on a phone.

(for me)

Kevin B

my phone shows the time just from me picking it up

Tinkeringbell

Mine doesn't, obviously XD

Kevin B

19:03

which has the downside of showing my notifications from just picking it up

Tinkeringbell

Most times I have my phone near me, I'm not at home. So that also often includes situations where just picking it up to look at the time would be rude.... with an analog watch, you can just glance at your wrists ;)

It's still not totally un-obvious, but it's easier than using a phone.

Though with the fitness tracker, I usually just set a silent alarm. Works too.

Journeyman Geek

@JcbJoe bog standard chrome, android, portrait mode

rene

19:34

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JcbJoe

20:52

Thanks @JourneymanGeek do you mod from your phone?

Journeyman Geek

22:05

@JcbJoe yes

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